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gidgiddy:
I doesn't matter what you think the population of Ibadan is, the population of Oyo State as a whole is not more than that of Anambra

By yourself use google to ask number of hotels bakeries iron fabricators pharmacists barbers and etc. Compare Anambra to Oyo in everything and conclude by yourself. The information is available online

Yujin:
I guess we should agree with your mouth and opinion more than that of others (non-partisan experts who studied Nigeria in details and reported what they saw.
Again, I noticed you do mix up present day SW with the Yoruba population on the one hand and the SE population with the Igbo population. In today's Nigeria, the SE has witnessed a sizable emigration while the SW has witnessed huge immigration due to the Lagos factor. Therefore, SE population isn't a near measure of Igbo population just like the SW population isn't a near measure of Yoruba population.
Therefore, I can confidently say that while Igbos can claim more than 93% of the SE population, Yorubas can't claim more than 83% of the SW population. Apart from the SW states plus Kogi, Kwara and maybe Niger states, Igbos have more population in the rest than Yorubas. The Igbo presence still shows everywhere more than that of the Yorubas to buttress my claims.
I know how hurt you guys are to this reality which is why you guys always through the common cliche 'attachee' or land grabbers. You so wish what we say about our people being in 13 states isn't true but it is. You have to swallow the truth the way it is for your own sanity.

Even if you are right that the SW is 83 percent indigenous while the SE is 93 percent indigenous the difference in population still supports my claim as the SW is more than double the SE in population. I am not saying you are right though. All I know is that if there are 3 million Igbo's in the SW there will be more than one million Yoruba in the SE. The proportion will be equal as there is no barrier against migration. Marriage education business can take you anywhere. How does Igbo presence in say Kaduna show more than Yoruba?. Is it by building more houses or having more political appointments?. One Hausa man said Igbos in the North are like 500k with 200k in Kano and 300k spread across the 19 states. Hard to believe but he may be right. Igbos in the SW outside Lagos are definitely not more than 500k if up to that

Yujin:
How small do you think they are? Let's focus first on Benue state... how many communities do you think we're talking about there?

I served in one. Eke Avrugo Kogi state. It is an NRI village affiliated to Idah. The population can't be more than 2000. Their Eke market was closed down because of low traffic. It is apparent that their population is low because we don't get to hear of people from there often

franchasng:
there are Igbo speaking communities in Benue and Kogi that belonged were supposed to be in Southeastern states but got out in Northcentral by the military heads of states that created the 36 states.


You don't need to argue this.

Go and research if there are Igbo speaking communities in Kogi and Benue, that's what you should do not argue here please

I did not say Igbo speaking communities don't exist in those states but what I am saying is that they were never part of the east just like Ilorin was never part of the west. They are however small communities. If Nigeria breaks up they can join the east

gidgiddy:
Do you know that there are more Igbos than Yorubas in Lagos?

Do you know that Oyo has about the same population of Anambra?

Do you know that Ogun has about the same population as Imo?

Do you know that Igbos are the largest ethnic group in every state in Nigeria after the Indigenous ethnic groups of that state?

So how in your mind do you think there are more than Igbos?

I have seen someone's PhD thesis that says somewhere i in festac lagos nas 26 percent of the properties owned by Igbos. I believe that because it is a PhD thesis. I don't think Igbo's are more than Hausa in Lagos. They are more integrated yes but not higher in population on the overall. Seeing them in some markets may mislead you.. If you go to some US areas you will think Nigerians are a majority there in the US but Nigerians in us are less than one million. If you have relatives in Lagos ask them to take the census of a typical classroom. It will give you an idea of what you need. I think Igbo's are anything between 10 and 20 percent of Lagos

Then Oyo has more hotels than Anambra. 1033 to 749. I think Oyo is more populated. Oyo has over 500 bakeries while Anambra has maybe 300 or so.

Igbos are not always the second largest. You can't say that unless there is a census

From indication Osun is more populated than Ogun or IMO. It has more hotels and more bank branches. It may aso be that there is just more money in Osun

Yujin:
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Can you quote or show just one pre-independent document that stated Yorubas have more population than Igbos? I'll provide you with two that states otherwise.

Any document that says Igbo is more than Yoruba is a sham document it does not matter if it is pre or post colonial. The SW is more than double the SE in population. If there are non Yoruba's in Yoruba land there are Yoruba in other places too. It cancels out. Census in both the UK and the US show Yoruba to be at least twice Igbo in population in those places. How on Earth can Igbo be more than Yoruba in population?. If they are independent nations today Yoruba will have more than double Igbo budget. There is no basis for comparison at all. Evidence on the ground today shows that Yoruba is more than double the population of Igbo as at 2025. The Yoruba more than others are being shortchanged in Nigeria. Forget any colonial census and deal with data on ground that can not be refuted.

esnbrutality:
Is Kwara a Yoruba territory?
Are some parts of Kogi people Yoruba

who annexed them to the North?

Franchasng was saying the military added some parts of Igbo land to Kogi and Benue and that is what I said is not true. No part of the south was added to the North by the military

esnbrutality:
Can you show proof of this your assertion?

Which assertion?. Are you saying some parts of the south was added to the North by the military?. If Igbos were divided by the military it only applied to the old Eastern region.The Igbos in Delta and Edo states were never in the East to begin with neither were the ones in the NC

franchasng:
Russia is twice or thrice the size of China or India, but China or Indian population is like Russia x 10.


Landmass is never a determinant of human population.

Gombe is four times the size of Lagos state but Lagos state population is maybe population of Gombe state multiplied by 12.


I don't know who told you people that landmass is equal to human population.


Besides, I already explained to you in the comment you quoted how past Military Rulers of Nigeria from the North and Southwest balkanized Igbo population and communities by intentionally taking away Igbo speaking communities in today's Southeast to place them in either SouthSouth or Northcentral just to subdue Igbos politically, economically and mentally and to prevent Igbos from ever having the confidence to ever seek to secede from Nigeria.

I did not mention landmass at all. I talked about population only. Then Igbo speaking villages in the North have always been in the North just like Yorubas are in the North. Dividing Igbo's after the civil war does not apply to the North central. The British did not partition Nigeria properly from the onset.

It is water resources that mostly determine population. Iflf you are rich in water resources then your small land can support a huge population. This is true for the SE. However the SW is large and also rich in water resources and fertile land. All evidence including census abroad show that Yoruba is far more than Igbo in population. That is my point.

franchasng:
After Hausa, Igbo is the second most populated tribe in Nigeria. This is the singular reason those from the other side are always angry to hear people from other geopolitical zones outside Southeast identify that they are Igbos, it breaks their wicked heart to pieces.


God bless Senator Ned Nwoko for championing this great cause of unifying Igbos across Nigeria, unlike the other kaikai drunkard currently serving as FCT Minister who denied his Igbo identity just because of his shortlived political ambition.



Time will tell sha.


Thank you Senator Ned.

I have a lot of Anioma friends who proudly identify as Igbos and we embrace them and give them every favor we can anywhere in the world. I also have two Ikwerre friends but unfortunately only one identifies as Igbo while the other one claim Ikwerre is another tribe like Igbo lol, it is well my people, we Igbos are one, Igbo bu ofu just as we have one China, one Jews, one people

I don't know why you think Igbos are more than Yoruba's in population when the SW is more than double the SE in population. The SE is not up to Lagos in population. If Igbos are more than Yoruba in population how come statistics say the most spoken African language in the US is Yoruba at around three times the Igbo population? It is the same story in the UK. Those are hard statistics and Yoruba and Igbo travel to both countries at roughly thesame rate. Everything you want to count Yoruba is always at least double Igbo. I am sure if there is a census in the North it will show far more Yorubas than Igbos. If London and America why not Hausa land?. I in fact believe Yoruba are more than Hausa in population or around equal. The economy of the SW is much bigger than the NW for instance. Again the number of people in the SE is less than the population of Lagos state and according to the Oba Yoruba in Anambra there are over 500k Yoruba in Anambra alone and there are still other Nigerians. In my estimate the population of Igbos is less than half or around half of the Yoruba population. The economy of the SW is more than double that of the SE.

Because of the low population of the SE the zone is the most represented in government in Nigeria. The SW of over 55 million have only six governors and 18 senators while the SE with less than 30 million have 5 Governors and a whole 15 senators. Thesame goes for all political appointments. The whole of Yoruba land in SW SS and North central will have a population of over 70 million people out of Nigeria's 220 million while Igbo land in SS SE and NC is not containing up to 40 million people if all of Ikwerre and etc are counted as Igbos. It might be possible for the Hausa to rival the Yoruba in population but I doubt it, Igbos however are not up to the Yoruba in population by any means. There are no Igbo cities in the NC but there are some Igbo speaking villages.

https://punchng.com/yoruba-community-in-anambra-debunks-rumours-of-ethnic-conflict/

https://www.nairaland.com/7934178/top-five-west-african-languages/3

Not having kings was only possible because Igbos lived in villages where the population did not exceed 2000. Two thousand. A population of fifty thousand or even twenty.thousand can not have everybody assembling to make decisions. And you can't be highly civilized without living in cities. Civilization is about living in large groups

frankson1:
You people are always jumping from one lane to another whenever you get caught.

You were informed that their subsidized fuel is still more expensive than ours and what you could think of was to immediately jump to another lane

The subsidy is just to support some producers. Not for everyone

Kukutente23:
PAYE should be paid where the employee resides
Most banks remit all their paye to Lagos for a good number of states and even the ones they remit to some other states are always underpaid

To remove ambiguity. I think PAYE should be paid to the territory of the employer and not where the worker resides

shortgun:
Personal Income Tax is administered by State Boards .
in reality companies frequently centralize payroll at HQ in lagos or designate staff contractually as Lagos-based or run payroll from Lagos.
When that happens, Lagos IRS ends up receiving PAYE for those employees especially for high-paid HQ executives. That's is the practical point the governor is making

Nothing can be done about the HQ staff for now but they can compel any company operating in Imo to file PAYE reports

If any oil company is operating in Imo without filing PAYE returns then shut down the place after warning them. That is what they do in Lagos

If any company has buildings and workers in your state without paying the appropriate taxes that is your fault

If no subsidies for the agric sector especially, high income countries will have food too expensive. Imported food will be cheaper

Mbanda:
Oga leave our Kith and kin alone and face your Ogbomosho enclave.

I want you to compare Enugu or Owerri with ekiti, osun and oyo states.

Going by bank branch spread only Ibadan is bigger than Onitsha Owerri and Enugu in the SW. Other cities in the SW are now smaller unlike before. However as a state Osun is ahead of all SE states except Anambra by things like number of bank branches and number of hotels. Surprisingly Osun is third in the SW after Lagos and Oyo but Oshogbo the capital is not as developed as the typical SE capital. Oshogbo has 60 banks while Owerri has over 120 but Imo state as a whole is not as developed as Osun state

DmonSlayer10:
I said there aren't Dollar billionaire of Igbo extraction because their head start as rich Businessmen in Nigeria was cut short by the Pogrom and civil war that destroyed and stole their wealth!

The second reason is that...after the civil war,they immediately did not have any government apparachits and patronage to easily become dollar billionaires like Dangote,Etc.

Got it?

Anyways,I think it's narrow-minded of you to assume that every opposition to APC's Presidency is IPOB!

Bandits,kidnappers and Herdsmen are killing and torturing your people in Kwara and Kogi,Ogun and Ondo But you turn a blind eye to that and focused on calling everyone IPOB.

IPOB is fighting the structural imbalance of the country,the injustices and the menace of Fulani herdsmen...the best way they feel the country will hear.

I don't support Violence of any kind and may not like certain things they've said or alledged to have done,but they have the right to self-determination...like Igboho's Yoruba Nation and the OPC!

Not understanding these things and hurling careless words about belittles you!!

Take note

Again I said something that other Black African Ethnic groups should learn from;

There are about 20 million Igbos who're already billionaires..in Naira... while majority of others are multi-millionaires in hundreds of millions and others in tens of millions?

Their unique empowerment culture made this so!!

Being a Dollar billionaire is not of any use to anyone if it doesn't benefit the majority of their people.

Money is not easy like that o. Twenty million naira billionaires in Nigeria?. A multi storeyed building in Onitsha can't be more than 150 million naira or less. Ten of that is what makes you a billionaire or a dollar millionaire. Traders use their buildings to take credit. That is what they do

aswani:
You are repeating your falsehood, that will never make it right.

Benin people are a distinct entity from Yorùbá's, admittedly the nexus is with the Royal family and of late intermarraiges.

You either need to provide proof of, with the utmost respect, the nonsense you have stated, or stop stating it.

The language of Benin people's has never been Yoruba, where are you getting this BS from?

Stop it please and stop it now, please.

Language similarities show that they were the same people maybe ten thousand years ago or less. Same is true for Yoruba and Igbo.DNA studies say the same. Go back far enough all humans were the same people. The language spoken back then would not be decipherable today but it will have many identifiable words

aswani:
You might mean well but there is a lot of fallacy in this your post.

Whilst Benin and Yoruba people are neighbours that I am not sure ever fought each other, I don't think they were ever one and the same.

If you do have a link to what you posted, I will be interested though.

Thousands of years ago the Yoruba and Edo would have been the same people. I am however talking of the Benin empire and Benin city. The language of Benin city was Yoruba and the lingua franca of the empire was Yoruba. The Edo speakers entered the city from the suburbs only recently. It is even apparent till now that the language of the empire was Yoruba. Benin is flanked by Yoruboid groups today and there is no way Edo could have been the language of the empire

The number of banks is an indicator of how much credit is being used in the locality. If there are many traders using voluminous capital or many big businesses It will cause many bank branches to spring up. I don't know the minimum credit required for a bank branch to stay afloat though. For a bank to however net 100 million naira per annum in Nigeria from which it will pay workers it must have lent out over 1 billion naira.

The whole of Lagos has 1145 bank branches while Ibadan city has 203. Onitsha city has 137 Owerri has over 120. Ogbomosho has just 35 Ilesa has 28 and Oyo has 44. The whole of Anambra has 390 while Osun as a whole has 224. Anambra is the only SE state with more bank branches than Osun state. Ekiti has almost twice of Ebonyi at 126 to 66. It is not clear if Anambra has more bank branches in total than Oyo state because the figure for the whole Oyo state is not available online. Kano has less than 300. A kure has 107 and Asaba has 25.
The number of bank branches is indicative of population but it is more indicative of credit use. In a state of many big traders there will be many bank branches. A state where most people are small holder farmers will not have as many per capita.

Goodvibes007:
Only kano, lagos, katsina, bauchi have more population than Oyo.

I have been researching. Oyo has second highest number of everything after Lagos. Hotels, bakeries and etc. Given that Oyo is large too, I wonder how Kano has a higher population. Lagos has over 800 bakeries for instance and Oyo has over 500. It may however be that Kano is very rural. For example their Gov Ganduje said 24 local governments have no banks. I think it may show that the population of those local governments is very low. Kano state also has less than 250 hotels while Oyo has over 1000. Is it really possible for Kano to have more population than Oyo or is it that millions of people live in bushes in Kano?

Really all Yoruba traditional states should be states. Any group that wants a state should be given a state but representation at the center should be determined by tax revenue because tax revenue is the only irrefutable indicator of population

Eko is a place name that means dependency in Yoruba. There are many Ekos spread over Yoruba land while there is none in Edo state. Then Benin empire was just one of the many Yoruba empires of west Africa. Yoruba was the language of Benin city before the empire fell and it was after the empire fell that Edo speaking people from the suburbs entered the city. The everyday language of Benin city and the Benin empire back then was Yoruba language and not Edo

omoredia:
So anybody that is not Benin and to a lesser extent Awori has no historical or cultural claim to Lagos.

When Benin came to Lagos, the language spoken in that Benin was Yoruba. Benin city spoke Yoruba in the past. The language changed after the empire fell and new people entered the city. Once again the language of Benin city and Benin empire was Yoruba and not Edo. Edo was only spoken in the suburbs. Then the Oba of Lagos is an Awori man descended from Baba Alagba a Babalawo from Ijesa

mrvitalis:
You don't believe business day newspaper stats that they claim is from NBS
But you believe an unknown website on the number of hotels in States?

Back to topic

Bayelsa GDP is driven by oil and gas sector


IMO state is more expensive than lagos and abuja

Bros travel sha

What job are people doing in Imo that will afford them the rent people pay in Lagos and Abuja?. You are not correct that Owerri is more expensive than Lagos and Abuja. Use google to ask state by state what number of particular industries exist state by state in the country. Rentech has all the data. Anambra has more banks, more hotels and etc than any SE state they definitely have more farmers plumbers tailors and etc too. They therefore have higher GDP than Imo.

All what Bayelsa gets from the oil and gas is the allocation. Can you compare that to two million people working to add five thousand dollars each per annum to the GDP of a state?

Rentech is believable. They got data on everything and they charge for details

mrvitalis:
Lmao😂🤣🤣
https://www.google.com/amp/s/businessday.ng/news/article/top-10-richest-states-in-nigeria-ranked-by-gdp/%3famp

Anybody can publish anything. Imagine putting Bayelsa of maybe 2 million people in the list!. GDP is production and it has to do with population! . Osun has 697 hotels for instance anf Bayelsa I think maybe around 150 or less. I can't remember properly. It starts with farming then other industries. The only thing that can shoot GDP up indiscriminately is the cost of living. If too high the GDP will be high though standard of living may not be higher. Is IMO cost of living higher than Oyo state?. As far as I know high cost of living applies only to parts of Lagos Abuja and PH. Other places are moderate. Most things that are recorded Lagos is number one followed by Oyo state. In the East Anambra leads and not IMO. Number of hotels, number of banks and etc. Anambra leads

Water is life. Igbo land is small but well watered. If you have enough water bodies your population will be high

mrvitalis:
Yet small IMO state has almost twice Oyo GDP

Are you guys not ashamed?.


Also Niger state is bigger than the whole South West.. So what's your point

Where did you get that data from. Oyo state has everything more than double IMO state. So how can the GDP be higher?. Oyo has second highest number of hotels after Lagos for instance. IMO has around 500 hotels and Oyo has over 1000

ariesbull:
How did you arrive at these fancy figures ..no references ...that's BS

You can google it yourself. Rentech.com has all the data or most of the data. Just use google

CoronaVirusPro:
Empty houses and roads everywhere. More than half of the population are in the West and only come home during festive periods.

Now, it’s easy to agree with the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) and the United Nations, who deducted from available statistics that, goats will outnumber humans in South East Nigeria by 2032.

They are using credit more than others. Anambra has 390 banks and 749 hotels. Oyo has 1033 hotels. I don't know the number of banks in the whole Oyo state. Ibadan alone has 203. Onitsha has 137 alone. Osun has 224 banks. Kano has around 240 banks. The presence of the banks show they use credit a lot in Anambra. It is one of the most industrialized states

RedboneSmith:
Is there any connection between Dawoodu (David) and the Nupe title Dawodu for an heir? Or is it a coincidence of two distinct words sounding alike.

Dawodu in Yoruba and Nupe are obviously the same. Yoruba and Nupe have been together for a long time.
David is Dawodu. The Hebrew were speaking Kemitic Egyptian originally and it has been shown that the language is ancient Yoruba. David is one of the left overs. Modern Yoruba has more than fifty percent of the vocabulary same as ancient Egyptian

naijapikin2:
Hahaha I'm having you where I want.

1. What you so strongly believe in is obviously a mirage for some others. Many will see your views as warped (I do).. something that works for over half the population of the world cannot be lies or fabricated gimmicks you wouldn't know that you are too braindead to fathom.
2. Your online rantings have just revealed their origin. An uncanny unwillingness to see the comic side of life. (This is pitiable). Where you birthed and groomed in a chemical lab? 😁

3. The evidence of the power of our God is people like you. Can't you see that you unwittingly outsource your intelligence to the FACT that God is.. reigns... And ever will be? Let me tell you how... The presence of FAKES is a validation that ORIGINAL EXISTS... I mean if nothing, this should hit home. Hahaha.

I'd be honoured to meet you in person one day to really have a healthy convo on this twisted line of your postulations.

STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RUBBER PELLETS 😁😁😁

No culture has ever said there is no God. All have their theology. The problem starts when you start threatening those who don't follow your path with hell fire. It is kind of stupid to think God is burning people in hell for anything not to talk of unbelief and idolatry. There can not be infinite punishment for finite wrongdoing. Before Christianity was invented there was spiritual peace and decorum on Earth. Islam is just a kind of Christianity. Mohammed believed Jesus was a prophet. He was therefore converted by Christians. Both Christians and Muslins are copying Jews but Jews don't seek to convert the whole world