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They are not the largest stateless group. There are many others who don't have exclusive control over their destinies. For example, Yoruba. How is the condition of the Yoruba different from the Kurds?. Or the Hausa and the Igbo?. And many others across the world?
I hope they get a sovereign state but if they don't, they should at least be able to control their destiny in any country they find themselves. They should be able to police themselves, use their language and etc.

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews were wrong!
The first prophet given the power to perform miracles like a God is Moses {Exodus 7:1} and God told the Israelites that there has not risen any prophet like him until the end of the old covenant. Deuteronomy 34:10-12
God also told the Israelites that a prophet like Moses will rise among the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18} God warned them that whoever failed to listen to this prophet will be condemned {Deuteronomy 18:19} so from that time on the Israelites were looking forward to seeing the promised prophet but none of those who came after Moses proved to be greater than Moses until the day John the baptist began declaring in the wilderness that someone is coming after him who existed before him {John 1:30} everyone knew that John was six months older than Jesus so what exactly did John mean by that statement?
Well John is indirectly telling them that it's time to meet the promised prophet!
Jesus surely proved to be greater than all the prophets put together through his miracles and the Jews acknowledged this but they don't want him for a reason you should know!
The Jews were an arrogant race who feels they are the most important race in all the earth so when Jesus told them that they have to show love to their neighbors by humbly seeking friendship with people who aren't even worshipers of their God they felt that will make them vulnerable to attack from their enemies and most importantly the Romans who are forcefully colonizing them will have a upper hand {John 11:48} that is the very reason why they conspired to have him killed! John 11:53

So he never claimed to be equal with God he said God is GREATER than him! John 14:28

He never claimed to be God rather he said he is one of the worshipers of God and himself with other worshipers are BROTHERS that's what God never said about His worshipers God never called any of His worshipers His brother! John 20:17

If someone said today 'I and the father are one' as Jesus was recorded to have said in John 10:30 would you consider that blasphemous or not?. Let us face it, Jesus was an apostate. The Jews were right to have apostasy laws but it should not have been capital punishment. However Jesus was not the first or last to be executed for apostasy.

Were the Jews right to execute Jesus Christ?.

First of all, some people insist it was not the Jews that killed Jesus but the Romans but I do not support this view because Jesus was not a threat to Rome in any way. He did not oppose Roman authority and when according to a Bible account he was prodded by the Jews on Rome, he advised everybody to pay tax to Emperor Caesar. He was not a viable messiah and only viable messiahs with large followings were engaged by Rome. A Jewish messiah is someone that will free their country from Rome as at then and make them sovereign again. Many people that assumed that role were killed by Rome and when their followers still insisted they rose from the dead, a particular one was left in a gulley to rot so that everybody can see he did not rise up again.
Back to the Jews and Jesus Christ. I believe Jesus Christ was killed either directly or indirectly by Jewish theocrats for being an apostate. He broke blasphemy laws. Going by what is happening in today’s world where people are allowed to make all kinds of theological claims and brainwash people causing death and misery all over the world, I believe there should be apostasy laws. People should not be free to publicly make any claim about God that they deem fit. They should especially not be able to make claims putting themselves on super human pedestals. There is nothing any human being is that other human beings can not become and if we don't respect that fact we will have issues in our society. In that light I support the Jews that had apostasy laws to prosecute Jesus Christ with in the first century. Though that was not his name but a Greek alias.
What I don't support is the severity of the sentence.
Jesus Christ was prosecuted by the Jews specifically because he publicly claimed to be greater than David, Moses and etc and went further to say he was equal with God. All in public. He claimed to be a leader (more or less King) of the Jews and the Romans were involved because of that. He however never led any insurrection against Rome and did say that his own Kingdom is in the minds of men. The Romans did not see any reason to convict him and they handed him over to the Jews according to the Bible.
In conclusion, were the Jews right to prosecute Jesus Christ?. Yes but the sentence was too severe. However in the past and even in modern times, sentencing for apostasy are always that severe. Since Jesus, many people have been executed for apostasy.

[quote author=Slytiger post=136280451]It's possible. They bear Yoruba names to due to the influence of Oranmiyan. Infact, if you travel to Usen. Their kings retained more of the Yoruba culture. The founder of Usen was one of those that followed Oranmiyan to Benin but stayed back to create his own kingdom.

Check how the Elawure of Usen is being praised here in pure undiluted Yoruba. Usen is in present day Edo State.

Same Elawure of Usen here. pic.twitter.com/ZN2KqcN2Gx

— Achilles007 (@Achilles0055199) April 3, 2025

but the similarities between their language and Yoruba is not because of Oranmiyan. Its because of shared ancestry thousands of years ago

MrIcredible:
Federal government job with starting salary not up to 150k = LESS THAN $100 A MONTH


Suffer head country with irresponsible, reckless and very corrupt system.

Even Neighbouring countries like Benin , Togo and Ghana pay as much as 250k-400k in naira on an average to graduates on entry level.
Let me not even talk about Gambia, Rwanda, Angola and South Africa.
I have been to these places, and I know what I'm talking about.


House officer here in Gambia is receiving nothing less than 800k a month, while in Nigeria, you can't get more than 250k!
Imagine the rubbish, and government expect workers to be loyal and diligent.

All of these nonsense is happening and some state governors are using building of government houses to embezzle billions of naira. Even the president is lavishing millions of dollars on football players.

Gambia must be getting expensive to live in. 800k for house officers is high. In the average Nigerian city that will be too high for a fresh graduate.

Slytiger:
The Nri kingdom declined at some point and the Igbos were not united. They had no standing army. Families and villages waged war against each other. The disunity made them easy pickings for raiders like the igalas, Benin, isoko, itsekiri e.t.c
Just google it. It's why some igala had influence in many Igbo states all the way to Anambra today. Some Ezes still pay homage to the Atta Igala.

As per Benin or Edoid.
The Benin and Yoruba are two different ethnic group. The only relation they have is the Oba and a few Yoruba families that followed Oranmiyan from Ife on the expedition to Benin.

Some of the families below.

Uhe is what old Benin call Ife.

I was surprised when one Benin guy told me Edokpolor means Edo are very plenty. He could have been speaking Yoruba. Another said Okada means Oke Ada upside of the Ada river. It is also the same way in Yoruba

gidgiddy:
Take away Lagos that capital of Nigeria for over 80 years, where is the prosperity?

How can you take away Lagos which contains the highest population of Yoruba?. However SW minus Lagos still has a big economy bigger than most. Then after Lagos in.this country it is Oyo state economically. Check everything like VAT, number of hotels and etc.

DNA and linguistics say Yoruba and Igbo share some common ancestors. The languages share many common words like for body parts and etc. One set of ancestors decided not to have kings and be living in villages of maximum 2000 people while the other were living in urban centers that required kings. Both groups mixed with new people and became more distinct from each other. They cut links totally with each other for thousands of years and now have cultures that are radically different. The British have now brought them into the same country. They share a common Y chromosome and the concentration of the Y chromosome is highest among the Yoruba. This means the Igbo are more a creole people than the Yoruba. They are more a mixture.
The name Igbo in my opinion means everybody. We have Ndi Owerri, Ndi Onitsha, Ndi Enugu and etc. When all come together they call themselves Ndigbo which means everybody. Ndi Onitsha for instance means people of Onitsha. The word Igbo or Gbo is a remnant of the ancient language spoken by the common ancestors of both groups. In modern Yoruba it is rendered as gbogbo or gbo. It means all, similar to everybody. The Igbo in Yoruba place names means forest and it is pronounced with a different intonation.
Both groups are like brothers and brothers can have completely different characters. Presently the debate about king or no king have been lost by Igbos since they now live in urban centers that needs sophisticated administrations. The British ended their system and things fell apart for them

I was the best actor and newscaster in primary school but suddenly started stammering in high school. I have more or less outgrown it now. Moses was a stammerer, MKO Abiola was a stammerer

Lionessza6:


You are making a common mistake that your people are fond of making when it comes to us


We have no interest in sending our best educated ,talented and bright minds into North America and Europe. We want to use them to position SA in such a way that our own country can compete with those countries. That is why our Healthcare, infrastructure, soccer league, higher education system etc continue to be better than your own. We are more inward looking than being random black stars in foreign lands

And that is good and it is what every nation should be doing. Nigeria is still a shame but I don't accept that any South African group can match up yet with the Yoruba for instance. You know population is also a factor. Then Yoruba have been building themselves for years when South African ethnic groups were restricted due to apartheid and the gap is not yet closed because post apartheid children are still young. Whether home or abroad when you add everything together the Yoruba is still ahead. Professionals, business, scientists.
However any South African group competing against the Yoruba will just be like Norway competing against the USA in the long run because of the size discrepancy. They can be more successful in some areas but the Yoruba will win with size

Lionessza6:
So I'm guessing you posted without any research on the matter but you said it with such confidence

The Yoruba and Igbo are doing by far better all over the world than South African groups, however they are also larger in population. South African ethnic groups are almost none existent in North America, Europe and etc. It is like comparing South Africans to the Lebanese or Jews. I mean south African blacks though not the Boer.

Lioness5280:
Where is the proof that they are better educated ?better educated in what and to do what exactly?

More Succefful in what exactly?

Well if they are catching up, it will be a post apartheid occurrence.

Lioness5280:
Who are you to decide this ?

How do you know what other Africans want for themselves ?

And lastly there's a difference with being on the wrong path and having problems.

Other African countries may be on the right path ( depending on what their national plan and goals are ) but struggling with climbing up some hills . Stop projecting. And I'm not saying SA is on the right or wrong path in this instance but stop projecting your Nigerian failures and frustrations on to other Africans. No one is denying the struggles,but stop exaggerating

However the Yoruba and the Igbo are more successful and better educated than South African groups. The only problem is they tend to run away from their country rather than get down and build it. There is unhealthy competition in Nigeria is the problem. The country is better off split

Lioness5280:
Well, West Africa and Central Africa are the poster kids of African chaos. I don't know who brainwashed Nigerians with the * anywhere is better than home* mentality. It's weird.

From a young age we were taught to sweep and clean our own house and backyard before going to help out the neighbors. It seems it's the other way round in Nigeria.....charity begins elsewhere

Not all Nigerians. The Hausa are not like that. They mostly stay put in the country. However they are not as educated as the Yoruba and the Igbo.

linearity:
Bros, you got it right!

but....the interests on US debts is only suffocating on paper.

The US borrows 'money' from her own Treasury aka US Federal Reserves to pay interest on her debts....which means, they acquire new debts in other to pay interests on existing debts....and the scam goes on and on.

Imagine borrowing money from yourself to pay interest on your debt obligation, is that not scam? If Nigeria and other Africa Countries have inherit Global Trust to do this, we will not be in arms about the rate of borrowing within Africa.

This is all a scam, paper money is a scam and have zero finite value like gold or precious metals.

This scam was perfected when the US pushed to abandon pegging floating currencies to gold reserves...the funny part is, Africa have these gold reserves and precious metal in abundance under our soil and that is real money with finite value.

They are not really borrowing money from the federal reserve in my opinion since it is a US organ. It will count as intra government debt or so. As far as I am concerned, the central bank is a revenue source and should be treated as such and how much to inflate the currency should be determined by the national assembly. I don't really support mining metals to keep in bank safes in the name of sound money though it has its advantages. Fiat money is okay if managed properly. Fiat money has not failed yet and I don't really think it will fail.


AI says the cost of managing the debt is 921 billion dollars per annum as at June 2025. It depends on prevailing interest rates.
Then all countries are doing the same thing and it is only inflation rate meaning level of new currency printing that differs. TB in Nigeria is 19 percent per annum

linearity:
You got most of the narratives right, but you actually missed my major point about using printing a $1 trillion dollar coin to satisfy her debt obligations. I responded somewhat yesterday, but I want to break it down more....

Like you stated, unlike Africa Countries, the US does not go out and borrow cash and no one write them a check. The US sells bonds, treasury notes, etc to the public and these debt instruments are backed by the Full Faith and Credit of the United States of America. Which means, the US Government is telling the holders of these note, we will buy-back your note when matured and presented to us guaranteed, no questions asked period!

And the US have never failed to meet this obligations. The reality is, many people who hold these notes sell them to others to make profit or keep them until the US government call them up so they can be making profit on the interest.

Now in a worst case scenario that I believe will never happen unless there is a worldwide catastrophic, assuming every note holder goes to the US for them to buy-back their notes, the US will back her guarantee even if it means printing up to $1 trillion dollars to buy them back. We know that a scenario where everyone wants a buy-back will never happen unless there is a global melt-down.

Also, there are countries like China that would want to prevent that and would like to buy-back those dollars to prevent the resulting hyperinflation on the dollar. Hyperinflation on the dollars will make the yen and other Countries currencies to be too expensive, which will severely hurt exports from those countries.

Almost everything in the US in made in China, imagine a scenario where the dollar is hyper-weak and the Yen is now like 10 times more expensive than the dollar, the buying power of the dollar would become very weak, and this will force the Chinese Government to print and put out more Yen in circulation in other to weaken the power of the Yen....the Chinese Government has been doing this, hence the US Government call them Currency-Manipulators.

There are more facets to this situation, hence my conclusion is that all these US debts have only paper weight. Had the US currency backed by Gold, it would have been a different situation.

Also, yes printing more dollars will result in hyperinflation, do you know that in the US printing and holding US debt notes is more valuable than holding US dollars? So the US Government by increasing debt and avoiding to print dollars to pay for her obligations, are actually printing a more valuable currency call 'Treasury notes, bonds, etc', in essence the US Government is actually printing money because US notes, bonds, etc are more powerful than money or currencies. They have value on the street, you can exchange them for goods and services, you can trade them, etc.

If I have a lemonade stand and selling each cup for a $1; I will take a $1 US treasury note from a buyer over a $1 US currency.

The US prints the dollar but the amount printed is low compared to the volume in circulation hence the US dollar has one of the lowest inflation of any currency. There is more dollar outside the US than in the US. The only problem in all of this is that the US has to pay interests on all these debts and even the interest is suffocating. The interest is suffocating is the problem. It costs the US 921 billion dollar per annum

When you are building a business the most important part is human resources but the apprenticeship system don't let you retain good people. Business ownership should not be by force. You can rise to top management and become a billionaire in a company starting as an employee without owning your own business.

Even if you are doing apprenticeship for those who want it, your real people should be salaried workers, well paid and dedicated to the business. That is the only way to build a big business. If you have a trustworthy and hardworking Nwa boy, your business will grow because of him, once he leaves maybe the next one will be a thief

They have a very ambitious government but are the bandits going to allow them to work?.

However bandits should not be able to beat an organized government with authority especially if they have armed security organization

CoronaVirusPro:
What problem has the US solved for its people with innovation? They even have a high speed train in that country. Old edifices you will find everywhere. It’s not growing and poverty keeps increasing.

Yes, the US innovates BUT for profit reasons. It’s not to improve the life’s of its citizens.

With the whole innovation you talking about, you did think healthcare and medications will be cheap, but it’s one of the most expensive in the world.

You are mostly right. The USA must stop policing the world on their own bill. Peace must be contributed to by every nation.

The problem of the high income world (I will not say rich world) is high cost of living occasioned by over valued real estate. A real estate that is valued 30,000 dollars in a second tier Nigerian city is 500,000 dollars in the high income world. The high cost of rent has driven wages up and jobs overseas. The problem has to be addressed at some point.
As for public debts I think everything should be added together and acquired by the UN which should be funded by member nations.
GDPs too have to be re based because if you check actual consumption outside rent and services, the US can't be even half of China's GDP. Many things have to change

CoronaVirusPro:
Hello, Japan has produced Honda, Panasonic, Nintendo, Mitsubishi and the likes.

Hollywood sold the US early and why people migrate there. Education is almost free, healthcare is affordable and not a luxury, security is top notch- No flying bullets. They are more advanced when it comes to using technology to solve the problems of their country, not milking them.

I don’t need to tell you they are clean people and have good health and long life. They don’t feed on GMO’s like the US where nothing is real.

Japan does not welcome you into debts just because you want to get a degree.

The edge the US has is innovation. US leading companies are innovative companies Then the fact that it is somehow more open to everybody than any other country

The right status quo for the world

The right status quo for the world is one whereby each government is struggling for people to come, work and pay tax in their country.

However it can only be achieved when the whole world is similarly organized. Not when some nations have all their income earners paying income tax and others don't. Not when life expectancy is high in one country and very low in another.

It can happen but it requires uniformity in organization.

CoronaVirusPro:
Please! With due respect, Never compare the US with Japan. Compare it with South Africa or Brazil.

The US is a 3rd world country where Japan stands. Hollywood just hyped that country.

Like you stated, only those who have not been there hype it.

How many Tesla, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook etc has Japan produced?. Japan is not even a popular immigrant worker destination unlike the USA where you can go from Africa to become the wealthiest person in the country. Japan is well organized and doing well but nobody will pick them above the USA

Why don't we get to see foreigners must go protests in Europe?. Because they have a welfare system that takes from everybody to give the indigenes first!. And the indigenes understand that. If you still have this kind of protest in your country then you don't have a good country yet!.

New Odus of IFA July 27 2025

Otura Osa

Do not go all out to extinguish your adversaries.

This was the IFA cast for the person preaching against religion and its ills while shying away from supporting its total ban.

Story

Many people are aware of the ills caused by religion and they actually make pronouncements against religion but have not gotten around to calling for the decorporation of religion.




Iwori Oyeku

The whole of the USA is my constituency and support base

This was the IFA cast for Akin Lawanson who could not support any Presidential elections because all USA resources, parties and all are helping him and he is indebted to them.

Story.

Having found out that the USA is using all their resources to aid what I do online, I refrain from taking sides in their politics especially Presidential.

Otura Oyeku

The things you do must be fair to others and not only to you.

This was the IFA cast for the person who will never be found doing wrong.

Story.
Contrary to the opinion of many that nobody is perfect, there are many people who can successfully defend anything they are caught doing even without them needing to apologize to anybody and there are also some who can set themselves right by a simple apology that is very easy.

Oyeku Ika

Agbatan laa gba ole, bi a ba daso fun ole a ba palaro.

A helpless fellow have to be saved completely. If you are buying clothes for a helpless person who can not do anything for himself or herself you also have to dye it.




Obara Ogunda

Your spirit is not your secretary to receive directives.

This was the IFA cast for the diviner who will always pray profusely before seeking clarity.

Story.
When we go into verbal gymnastics before getting IFA readings, it is to beg the spirit not to lead us astray


Irosun Otura

You have to fight for your lineage. It is only by fighting for your lineage that you grow.

This was the IFA cast for Akin Lawanson who became the darling of a US led alliance because he took it upon himself to force change Nigeria for good by online writing.

Story.
You have to love yourself, your lineage, your community and the world in that order to be a viable person and it is only by fighting for your constituency that you grow.


Irosun Owonrin

Solving a scarcity is the path to wealth.

This was the IFA cast for Aliko Dangote who doubled his net worth by building a refinery to solve Nigeria’s fuel scarcity problem.

Story.

You have to solve a big problem to get ahead in a big way and there are many problems lying around to be solved.

Irete Otura

A lost dog will always find its way home.

This was the IFA cast for the spirit of Orunmila the founder of IFA whom whatever family type he is incarnated into, will always find his way to become a Babalawo.


Otura Osa
The vagrant puts up for sale his only inheritance.

This was the IFA cast for Ibrahim Babangida who conducted a long awaited election and also annulled it.

Story.

IBB, former military President of Nigeria conducted an election believed to be freest and fairest in the history of Nigeria and it was won by MKO Abiola and he squandered all the accruable goodwill by annulling the election instead of handing over to the winner.

Ika Otura

Knowledge about God is universal

This was the IFA cast for the people that existed before religion who would refrain from preaching to foreigners about God because they knew they have God in their culture too.

Story
In the olden days people did not preach about God because it would be like forcing strangers to learn your language which should not be so

Only Christianity and Islam think they are the only way. Even Judaism their progenitor do not. It is Christianity and Islam that are not compatible with civilization

Easyincome24:
DNA is deeper than calling a woman promiscuous. We've heard cases of wrong results or alterations from the so-called lab technicians who wanted to be induced with kickbacks in order to spoil marriages. This doesn't mean DNA fraud is not happening.

In this case, if I raise any children under my name, with my money and all and later discovered through a DNA that they ain't mine. I will just legally claim them.

Many people lamenting here may not be legitimate children of their fathers perhaps due to uncivilisation in their times.

It should be included in the law, any child raised by a man, knowingly or unknowingly has become his bonafide child. Nothing to contest here.

As a matter of fact, I once consulted IFA on the matter and IFA said no matter who impregnated the woman, it is the ancestors of her husband that will incarnate in the children unless there is animosity between husband and wife

High minimum wage is why we have people migrating to other countries to seek employment. You have to take care of your lowest earners first

anonimi:
Why has power in Oyo State remained in Ibadan? Or in Rivers state with Ikwerre people

There has been an Ogbomosho governor of Oyo in Alao Akala and the suspended governor of Rivers is not Ikwerre.

Safyqueen:
This is normal Yoruba gra gra before crying. We know you people. If not the informal adoption of north south presidency, do you think power will ever leave north?

Anyway the north decides. If they decides to work with the East , the west, acclaimed sophisticated people goes down.

May GOD ALMIGHTY turn your life the way T-pain turn Nigeria economy and her citizens.

You are not correct. There is no way power will remain in the North in a democracy. MKO won without zoning and Awolowo won Kano. Left without zoning even North may have issues. Kano can vote anybody. They can vote Obi if they think he is serious. They are the most progressive in the country. Your analysis is not correct

Dtruthspeaker:
You are still dodging
And I said why have you never greeted your neighbour more than your mother?
And why haven't you given gifts to your friends father more than your father?

Did you parents say that you should not greet and honour any body more than them? Yet you have never done it.

You are just deceiving yourself. All idolaters are committing self murder.

You are actually supporting my position with your logic. If you agree you can greet other people apart from your parents though less then why do you think worshipping lesser deities a little is wrong?. You are countering your own argument.

Do people really want a constitution that says an Hausa man born in Enugu can take the minister slot for Enugu and etc?. I don't think so but people can and have been integrating themselves. It does not need to be ingrained in the constitution in my opinion.
On the issue of states, any group that wants a state should be given a state but what is making it hard is that states are equally represented in the senate. As it is now the SW and the NW are underrepresented in the government if their population is compared with other zones.

Putinofrussia:
Then they should stop it.
Most of those kings would prefer to be dealt with according to what they profess as religion but these traditionalists usually force them and say it is the tradition.
Why are they not keeping to tradition in their daily activities too.
Most of them now transport themselves using modern methods.
It is satanic to cling to these idolatry practices.
They should fear the Omnipotent,the Omnipresent..

Why should harmless culture be stopped?. Christianity and Islam also have what can be called idolatry. Bowing down to the statue of saints is what?. Killing people over the desecration of the Quran is what. They term our culture as idolatry but there is nothing wrong in idolatry itself. Only evil is wrong. God can not say don't worship other Gods just like I can't tell my kids don't greet other people. It is not right to extinguish a culture because of religion and a King sits atop the culture.