₦airaland Forum

Buccalcavity2:
Dont confuse yourself. That is how it is set up currently. Once you have an earning, it is tax deductible based on apt gradation. What has been happening before now is that the govt had no system and requisite law to track "informal" earnings. So now it is implemented. Theres already law guiding how business owners should pay taxes!
Dont join multitude to support nonsense. This is long overdue

It is very difficult to know the earning of any business. Therefore most tax income come from paye or personal income tax of employees

Mindlog:
And why are the governors not getting the one million income tax payers in their states?

They are not motivated. They prefer to sit and wait for allocations. Only Lagos is trying but Lagos is not doing up to twenty percent of what is possible. In Lagos today you can not be in big business without filing paye report. They will shut you down.

Mindlog:
In simple words, how can more Nigerians be motivated to pay tax?

People pay tax by force in all countries. If the governor of the average Nigerian state want one million income tax payers he will get it easily. The average state have more than one million people earning income at different addresses

koning:
I hope you know that what is taxable is your income. For a shop owner this means the profits he makes or reports at the end of the year. Not the capital he used to stock his shop. The tax assessment is even a problem in technologically advanced countries, not to mention a nation like Nigeria.

Trump has boasted many times that he pays zero taxes. He is a billionaire. He has declared bankruptcy 5 to 6 times. Never paid a dime in taxes.

FIRS has a huge task in their hands and lawyers are waiting on the wings to chop heavy on law suits.

Conclusion: PROPER TAX COLLECTION CAN NOT WORK IN NIGERIA. How the hell would you tax the Mallam or Alhaji changing Dollar and Euros all over the country. What is their income?

Corporate tax is different from personal income tax. Personal income tax is where the bulk of tax revenue resides. If you employ you must pay minimum wage to yourself and employee and if you can't you will be shut down. It is corporate tax that can be dodged not tax on wages and if you are caught dodging corporate tax too ..

nairalanda1:
Quite true...and no, I don't support any party. My view on this was formed under PDP and GEJ when tax to gdp was less than 6%. I WAS even surprisedGEJ was not doing more about it.

Tinubu claims to be doing more, but tax to gdp is still below 15%

Nigerians want everything free. As far as I know the USSR was one of the countries to provide everything free for its people....and by the seventies they were borrowing heavily in secret from the IMF and the developed powers. East germany used to do same, and by the eighties they were borrowing from their western neighbour.

The problem is saying this means you are a tinubu supporter. The funny thing is that many of these people would laugh at the idea of a five bedroom house selling for less than N100000 naira, yet that is their real attitude towards cost of things.


As for me, I really wish we could give water, petrol, electricity for free. We gat to many poor people in this country...but the price is heavy loans to pay for all that, and eventual economic collapse. The type that would make tinubulation economy look like the good old days.

Are there not many poor people in the UK? All countries have poor people. What the government does is make sure the poor people are paid well wherever they work so they can be taxed and the money used to develop the country.

Buccalcavity2:
What is the per capita revenue from oil in gulf countries vs Nigeria? They can afford zero tax but Nigeria cannot!
The annoying part is that some are already paying taxes, The majotity of which are going to get a relief from this tax law. The main complainaners are the people that never paid and are not willing to pay! Its crazy! Make i dey pay tax but you do NOT want to pay because you are in the informal sector! Yet you want to use amenities like me.
Anybody complaining about the tax law should get his brain checked!

It is government that is not serious. It is easy to make everybody pay once you fix minimum wage. If you own a shop you must pay yourself above minimum wage and pay your workers minimum wage on which tax is deductible

Baxilexi:
I guess the gulf countries are not working well.

We have natural resources, that if managed properly the government has all that it needs to attend to its duties. Cut down the size of government, adopt fiscal discipline and Nigeria would work with minimal taxation.

Even the golf countries will have almost half of the GDP in government hands. Then you might get some high paying jobs in those countries but they are not advanced countries. In any advanced country a chunk of the GDP is taken as taxes. Free education free health and etc consumes a lot of money. You can't make a country like Nigeria a good country without taking half of the GDP as taxes. Good things cost money

Baxilexi:
The government has lost public trust hence why this new tax law will cause more chaos than praise.

They’ve mismanaged the countries resources, removed all forms of succor and now still wish to pauperize struggling Nigerians.

I would advise that the tax law be suspended till Nigerians can see practical use of our commonwealth, not cars, houses and largesse.

Also, they need to reorganize the tax categories. A Nigerian earning 3 million NGN per annum is poor. That’s less than $2000 USD.
Put rent, energy, transportation, fees, healthcare, feeding, personal needs and utilities into the equation and there’s no way the FIRS Boss can justify the taxation.

I don't support the sales tax on petrol. It is the states that should buckle up on income tax. Then minimum wage should be high enough to bear tax and it should be enforced on all employers. The money should be used for free healthcare education and etc. If a country will move forward half of the GDP must be taken as taxes. No income should be tax free. How do you help the common people if they don't pay tax?

Before a country can work very well, half of the GDP must be taken as taxes

Botragelad:
So where did all the ANCIENT ISRAELIS go ? Did they just disappear into thin air?

Where are the Assyrians today? Less than five million people.

Cromagnon:
I asked for black run not black majority
You know damn well t and t is run by white hotel chains

So Nigeria is excellent
Rent is cheap here by your logic

I 30 countries by GDP per capita seem to be doing fine with high cost of labor


Name them
when had govt ever done well with other ppl money and you want to give them more

There is nothing to be happy about in ultra high income per Capita. It drives production away from your country. For example China produces more than ten times more steel than the USA with only four times the population and it is like that in all sectors. Why would you say a black majority country is not black run?. Then countries like Ghana, Niger Togo and more or less any African country have corruption levels ranked low. Even lower than countries like Russia or Belarus. Their main problem is they don't depend on personal income taxes. If they start doing that they will be like Europe. All of South America Eastern Europe and etc have corruption levels and development level similar to Africa. Only western Europe, Japan North America and etc are outliers and that is because the economies are highly formalized. You can't escape taxes. No other reason. If your government is dependent on personal income taxes you will be ok. It is as simple as that.
No country is doing well with high cost of labor. Your economy can't be competitive with high cost of labor. Western economies are no longer as competitive as they can be. They can only compete where they have knowhow
Rent is cheap and homelessness is rare in Nigeria. Where I stay in Nigeria there are no homeless people

Cromagnon:

Is he lying
Listen to you here
Look at all, all, all black countries, not one run well, not a single one in Africa, the Caribbean or in america

There are many black majority countries with a high per capita income if that is your criteria. There are some in the Americas with per capita income comparable to the USA like Bahamas Trinidad and Tobago but a high per capita income is in itself a failing because it is caused by a high cost of living. If cost of a good apartment is less than 500 dollars a year what do you need an income of 50k dollars a year for? 5k will be ok. High cost of labor makes an economy less competitive
Then there are many countries in Africa with good leadership and less corruption. They only need to gear up tax collection like the west so as to be able to help their people more. What any country needs is hands joined together via taxes and there are many countries in Europe that need it too. Eastern Europe's economy is informal largely as well, it is therefore not an African problem only

In the 80s a fresh graduate can buy a brand new car in Nigeria but now it is no longer possible because high cost of living in the west has made cost of labor too high for things produced there.
What needs to be done is to make cost of living equal in all countries

When you use equity for your operations as a company you might make less than ten percent returns and be content. People who build houses for rent make less than five percent. Therefore shareholders can be okay with five percent. They can gain other things like jobs and board appointments.
However when you use loans to operate instead of equity the banks maybe asking for at least eighteen percent and this will make your products more expensive.

Travel is good but your home country is always the best for you. Any country you are people are struggling and the average person in any country will not achieve more than own their own homes and train their children. No matter the average income.

If people join hands together via taxes, things will be easier in any country.

A single person in Nigeria can live on 1500 dollars a year and not be homeless have a smart phone and live in a decent accomodations whereas in the western world you would probably be homeless with a ten thousand dollars per annum income. With ten thousand dollars per annum in Nigeria you can marry two wives.
In the US a billion dollar company might be employing only 200 people comparable to someone using only a few million dollars in Nigeria. If someone like Elon Musk were operating in China or India he will be worth only a fraction of his net worth not to talk of Nigeria. You hear of big money in the west but you can't do much with it inside those economies.
In Nigeria you don't need to earn much because the cost of living is low. You can build a solid home for less than 20k dollars and this home in the western world will be worth over 400k dollars.
Someone employing 500 people in Nigeria is the same s someone doing thesame in the UK but one is a dollar billionaire while the other is not. Don't be received by the numbers

Globad:
When Oyo empire collapsed, which states of cities took over in Yorubaland?

Oyo collapses when it was burnt down by Ilorin but Ibadan grew and resuscitated the empire. It was from Ibadan that the British took the twins. A civil war broke out and for seventeen years Ibadan was not able to put it down. The Yoruba leaders including the Alaafin wrote the British to come and settle it.

taiwiki:
I totally agreed with most of what you said except Jews have historical ties to the land. My question is which Jews? Ashkenazi Jews are complete Europeans that converted to judaism. Many Jews still lived in palestine and other ME countries before the creation of the state of israel. The colonizers do not plan to stop grabbing more lands (greater israel) so they won't even compensate anyone.

There would have been no Jews in Europe if not for the Roman and the Greek empires. All Jews would have been Arabs. However they stayed in Europe for two thousand years and had become Europeans but this does not change their history and they held themselves separate in Europe. What I am saying is that the crowd supporting the Jews and not only the Jews should have explored the option of compensating the Palestinians. Local Jews were not up to ten percent of Palestine early in the 20th century. However two thousand years ago the place was majority Jewish

taiwiki:
let me ask you some questions: 1. were there no Jews living in palestine before the creation of the state of israel? 2. Did the Palestinians not receive Jews and Armenian refugees in the past? 3. Why do the isrealis only invite mostly Europeans Jews if its not colonisation and why displacing palestinians and having an apatheid? Migratory Arabs you say? Their DNA match the ancient original habitants of their area more than the ashkenazis whose dnas are Europeans. They speak arabic because of the growth of islam. Some Muslims in Nigeria can't speak English but are fluent in arabic too (will you call them arabs). Moreover their ancient language of hebrew and aramaic became extinct.

If we even accept that all Jews migrated from ME and are all descendants of Isreal ( Jacob) and need to go back, why displace Palestinians becauese of religion? It is like saying the Yorubas in Brazil and other carribbean countries (both white and black) who still practise Isese (Yoruba Traditional religion) should come back to SW and we practising islam or Christianity should leave because they were originally from here. Would you support it if everyone in the world decide to reclaim what they believe belonged to their ancestor 5,000yrs ago. By their logic everyone migrated from somewhere too and for anyone who believed Adam and eve were the first humans on earth, we should all have claim to a piece of ME since they are our first ancestors.

The Palestinians are the owners of the land but there are now over seven million Jews there. The Jews have an historical attachment to the land because it was where their ancestors lived two thousand years ago. Anybody that wants to solve the problem should be thinking about how to compensate the Palestinians as they are the only people to be driven from their homes in the twentieth century.

It must always be remembered that the attempt to brand the Benin empire as non Yoruba is history revisionism. During the days of the empire Benin city population was 50k people and it was like Akure and Warri a Yoruba speaking city. The Edo speakers were living in the suburbs. They entered the city only after the empire declined. The Portuguese recorded Yoruba being spoken in the old city. The rest of the Yoruba were the same with the old Benin in language and culture and saying Benin was an Edo empire is an untruth. The old Warri and the old Benin saw themselves as one and they spoke the same language. However the new Benin is Edoid

Christianity aIslam are not compatible with the progress of humanity

Yujin:
Ok. Let me clarify that of Jos for you to understand clearly. The only time Yoruba death in the Jos crisis was very huge was that of 2008. This was because it was the only Yoruba 'dominated' area (not actually dominated but heavily populated) was hit badly by the usual destroyers who wanted to take over the city. I knew lots of those affected Yorubas including my own Chemistry teacher and friend, Mr Ojebisi 😭 (may his gentle soul rest in the bosom of our Lord Jesus). He alongside his brother were murdered in cold blood in their house in Rikkos, an adjoining area close to the more Yoruba known territory of Nasarawa. These areas saw the biggest Yoruba casualty ever recorded in Jos and probably the whole northern Nigeria. Some Igbos also lost their lives in this area and other areas around it. The Igbo dominated areas were very well fortified and impregnable which was why the casualty figure was low in this particular year. The earlier crisis of 2001 and 2002 had more Igbo casualty than Yoruba because the whole areas were heavily mixed with all ethnic groups and Yorubas were mostly spared at that time. A good number of Igbos fled from the less defended areas to areas far from vulnerability while the Yorubas remained probably thinking because they had a big population in these specific areas and maybe weren't the 'target'. Unfortunately, the killers seeking for blood and territorial expansion turned on them suddenly. In case you don't know, even some Yoruba muslims were among those killed in these areas. Generally, Yoruba muslims in Jos are not fanatical and so, were considered opportunistic by the fanatical islamists. They refer to the Yoruba muslims as 'tubaban rana' which transliterates to 'conversion of daylight' and loosely translates to a hypocritical convert. If you doubt this statement, ask any Yoruba muslim living in Jos or the north what that statement means.
As you can see, I'm writing what I witnessed myself and areas I've lived and walked for years. Yorubas today have fled Nasarawa and went further NE of Nasarawa towards Bauchi ring road, Tina Junction and Eto baba including Furaka with other ethnic groups. None of those areas is considered dominated by them anymore.
Yorubas in Jos are mostly artisans and tradesman, taxi drivers and a little into business. This is why rarely you see them dominate area business or trading in the city. This is why I can say for certain that the Yoruba population in Jos is far below that of Igbos.
As for PH, no matter the Yoruba population there, it is still small compared to that of Igbos from the nearby SE. The same can be said in all the other SS cities and towns. Therefore, my argument is valid. Don't downplay the Igbo population because those who have visited and lived in Igboland don't do so.

I am not downplaying the Igbo population but I believe it is around half of the Yoruba population. That is what the evidence on ground says and if that is true it will be hard before Igbo population can surpass the Yoruba population in any non Igbo city. I am not saying it is not possible though but highly unlikely. And also Igbos are returning home in large numbers. They have many large cities now unlike before.

Yujin:
Ok let's do a simple maths. Tell me what areas in Jos are dominated by Yorubas and I'll tell you two for each one you mention.
Like I said before, the trade/profession dominance of a people can be used to gauge the population of a people. Tell me what trade or profession Yorubas dominate in Jos and Kaduna city. Listen, I don't argue what I'm not certain about. If you know the population of Igbos in Jos, you won't even drag with me.
As for PH, can you tell me what the probable Yoruba population is over there? Do the same for Benin City, Warri, Asaba, Calabar and Yenagoa maybe. You'll agree with me and the Igbo/Yoruba population of those cities differ greatly in favour of the Igbos. Reality is different from your assumptions if your mind isn't clouded by sentiments.
There's a reason why the West(especially Lagos and northern Nigeria witness a huge traffic loss during Christmas and New Year in the late 90s and early 2000s when Nigeria was still peaceful.
Let me give you another thing Yorubas don't pit into consideration when discussing Igbo population especially when they compare cities and towns in Igboland versus those in Yorubaland.
Most Yoruba cities and towns have been formed for long which is why Yorubas were classified as the most urbanized people by Europeans who studied the various tribes in Nigeria. This means that those early Yoruba towns had more population are were bigger than the few Igbo towns of those days which mostly became 'towns' because the Europeans chose those them for some level of convenience as against their neighbours. These Yoruba towns continued to expand till date with the surrounding communities not being of much significance unlike in Igboland where most of the neighbouring towns were as equally populated at the time Europeans saw them but preferred the other to them. This means that the population density in Igboland far exceeded what was found anywhere in Nigeria and the entire Africa at the time except only Cairo, Egypt. Take for instance Anambra and Imo states. When you travel through them, you'll be surprised at the density you see. When you mention Onitsha as a city, most times, it's only the traditional Onitsha town that is spoken about but when you consider the entire towns today that surround and are directly connected to Onitsha but not known like Obosi, Atani, Nkwelle Ezunaka, Nkpor, Ogidi and Umuoji, the entire population is massive hitting likely 3 million. Then you talk about Nnewi which wasn't known before but today has become a force to be reckoned with because of commerce and the link up of other Nnewi South towns like Ukpor, Osumenyi, Nnobi, Awka Etiti, Oba, Ojoto, Igbo-Ukwu, Adazi Nnukwu, Agulu, Aguluzigbo, Ekwulobia and numerous other neighbouring towns. The population of these areas is also very massive and is at least 2.5million. Awka, the capital and surrounding towns plus the rest of the communities scattered around around both far SE and North East of the state can account for about 2,5million people. This places Anambra state to around 8million people. You can check Google map for the level of urbanized clusters in the state for yourself. So, when you hear about only Onitsha, Awka and Nnewi, they are just a fraction of what Urban area is around them. All these three areas are Metropolitan in nature with huge population when counted as a Metropolis.
Onitsha as a metropolis is made up of Onitsha North lga, Onitsha South lga, Idemili North lga, Oyi lga, parts of Ogbaru lga, and parts of Dunukofia lga.
Nnewi as a metropolis is made up of Nnewi North lga, Nnewi South lga, Idemili South lga, Anaocha lga, Ekwusigo lga and parts of Aguata lga.
Awka as a metropolis is made up Awka North, Awka South, parts of Dunukofia lga and parts of Njikoka lga.
This is why Anambra has a huge population. Check Google earth map of Anambra for yourself.

I have never been to Jos but I am just using the testimony of people. Here on nairaland someone said when there was crisis in Jos and there was a census of the dead the Yoruba outnumbered Igbos despite that many Yoruba are Muslims The Yoruba are artisans traders and business men. Unless there is a census I can't accept that Igbos outnumber Yorubas in Jos. Let's just leave it at that

I believe Anambra is the most populated SE state. It may be up to 8 million in population who knows. Rentech says it has 390 banks 749 hotels over. 300 bakeries around 40 poultries and etc

In a place like PH where I have been to there is a large population of Yoruba. I have people there but I can't put a figure to it

Yes you are right that the Igbos were not urbanized and that was why they did not need Kings. However they are now very urbanized. The Yoruba on the other hand have been living in urban centers probably longer than any other group on Earth

Ttalk:
I will be here to burst your lies. Below is 2024 numbers of banks in different states of Nigeria.

There are more banks in Oyo state than in Anambra.

Another lie bursted

I never said Anambra has banks more than Oyo. I did not get the figure for Oyo online. It is as if the data you posted did not capture micto finance banks. I got data from rentech, com

Ttalk:
What do you mean by the bolded, any data to support this?

You did not bold anything. However you can get the number of hotels bank branches and etc of any major city online. You can even get the names of those institutions and etc. Of all capitals in the west apart from Ibadan Akure has the most bank branches at 107. Onitsha has 137 and Aba has 146.

Oyo state is very large. It has numerous farm settlements and an industrial base and etc. It has the most hotels after Lagos. However Onitsha, Owerri, Enugu Aba are now bigger than any SW city apart from Ibadan and Lagos going by the number of bank branches

Yujin:
If you want to have a more accurate comparison of both Igbo and Yoruba SETTLER population in the northern states, do secondary school student counting. The reason for a lower Igbo population in Northern universities is because of some factors mainly due to the underrating of those universities, lower interests in tertiary education by Igbo parents residing there and/or preference to send their children to the East for socio-cultural reason. 'Yours truly' and the entire siblings went to the East for universities for the last reason. Most of the Igbo students from my secondary school both those before and after my set went to the East for university and tertiary education while our Yoruba colleagues schooled in Northern universities. I can speak more confidently for Jos, Plateau and Kaduna states very well. There are more Igbos than Yorubas over there very well. You can ask any Yoruba resident in both states for confirmation. Igbos prefer SS universities than northern universities and you know very well that Yoruba population in the SS cities and universities are very small.
Let me give you another good way of being able rate the population of a specific set of people in any town or city. Check if they dominate any settlement and type of trade or profession. If so, how many of such settlements and how large? For the trades, how important and big are such trades in socioeconomic chain of the town or city? Now tell me; what trades and how big are they that Yorubas dominate in the Northern states apart from Kogi and Niger states where they're indigenes?
As you can see, I'm more pragmatic using easily accessible markers to show my points.

Sending children to home region for education is common among all groups. When I was an undergraduate I met Yorubas who were sent home from PH Enugu Aba Jos and etc. However some will still remain in the local schools and you can use that to estimate the population of that group in the locality. That is how it works. Are you going to say the population of Yoruba in a place like PH is low?. There is a sizeable Yoruba population in the SS cities.

Igbos are mostly traders and seeing them clustered together in markets can give a false impression of their population

[quote author=Kingson28 post=136787063][/quote]The Ashkenazi are Europeans. If you have been living in Europe since Roman times you are European but they are also Jews

favour32:
Palestine's name would have been in the bible if what you said is right.

Palestine is the same word as Philistine

For any government to effectively provide education and healthcare they must formalize the economy by taxing everybody. No other way

CoronaVirusPro:
You mentioned Yiddish being a broken form of Hebrew, and yet the “Ha” sound cannot be pronounced! What transition is that? Should be a broken right? My point should make sense to you without saying nothing.

You said black Americans have European ancestry, does it make them European? No! Their parent ancestry is strong and still reflects in their physique, hair and color. They still full of melanin.

You see, if you want to end this argument quick, you have to be sincere with yourself and purge yourself of any ethnic sentiment.

You know a European, African, Asian, Native American, Middle Easterner and Australian at FIRST glance.

Why do you think those Europeans in Isreal are from the Middle East? You know buy cannot accept. They all changed their names.

Everyone changed their name. If you were white and became Jewish, your name will be redefined.

I told you the founder of modern day Hebrew is Russian, you didn’t contest that.

The eye is not blind, you just not accepting it. I don’t need a DNA test ot ancestry test yo tell you puff daddy ot Wesley snipes is from Africa. It’s the eyes! Use same eyes and you will know.

Israel is a western presence in the Middle East.

You are not entirely correct though. Do you know there are millions of white Yorubas in the Americas?. They have things in their posession passed down from west African ancestors. I believe those white Yoruba are more Yoruba than west Africans because they practice the culture and spirituality more. They are white but Yoruba. It is the same for European Jews that were in Europe for over two thousand years. The white Yorubas speak Portuguese or Spanish and only use Yoruba for prayers

Then Israel today is made up of one third descendants of Europeans. The bulk of the population descends from North Africa and etc

Yujin:
Nobody closes a traditional market because of traffic. Say something else.
Avrugo is just one out of many such Igbo communities in Kogi state.

The market was neglected because of low traffic and the villagers had to be going to the next village to sell their produce. The village is an Nri village no doubt because it has the caste system but it is under Idah and they also speak Igala

I think I remember that the market used to ceremonially open but it is not patronized by produce merchants hence they go to the next village which happened to be in Enugu state

Yujin:
Going by your comment, you'll like to have us believe that there are more Yorubas in the SE than there are Igbos in the 17 northern states plus Abuja. This is what living in denial can cause because it makes you incoherent.
Again, we all know that the population of Igbos in Lagos alone is more than 3 million. The population of Igbos in the SS both indigenous and settlers is more than 8 million. The population of Igbos in the 17 northern states plus Abuja is a least 5 million. That should give you an idea of what we are talking about.
Can you breakdown by states where your 1 million Yorubas are found in the SE?

I did not take any census. I merely quoted people. If you go to any Northern university you will find more Yoruba than Igbo. As lecturers and as students. In their cities if you count you will have more Yorubas. When I was an undergraduate at OAU a friend from the North told me the largest student union at ABU was the Ondo state union. Any where you count be it New York London Jos or Kano you will find more Yoruba than Igbo. I personally don't believe there are five million Yorubas in Northern Nigeria apart from Yoruba land there because Yoruba is the second largest group in Northern Nigeria after Hausa. The Hausa man said nineteen northern states. He didn't include Abuja. He may be wrong. Abuja is like 3 million people. I can't take your word for it on your estimates unless there is real counting.
Million is not a small number o. How many people do you need in Kano to sell what Igbos sell or do what Igbos do?