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According to research I did with the IFA oracle there is nothing like hell fire. We only have the spirit and material world and every human exist in both

brain54:
Oil isn't the only natural resource bro...


Nigeria is one of the richest countries in the world in terms of resources. Maybe 90% is untapped or unexplored.

My argument is because the US or Norway does it doesn't mean it is the best or that it's guaranteed to work in our own situation.

Taxation favors them because it was adapted to their system. I'm not saying taxation should be abolished completely in Nigeria. But we shouldn't be so highly dependent on taxing because we have more resources as compared to those countries.

Personally, I believe taxation should be some sort of last resort not the first option for a country like Nigeria!

All countries are blessed with natural resources one way or the other but if your govt depends on money from natural resources then the country will not be competitive even if the revenue is high. Tax is the umbilical cord joining the economy to the government. If your revenue is dependent on the health of the economy then you will take care of the economy automatically.

gidgiddy:
That question is for Gowon who broke the agreement he signed. Some of you still think Gowon fought for 'one Nigeria'. Gowon fought for 'one Nigeria under the North'. The war was all about making the North masters of Nigeria.

There was competition among the Nigerian ethnic groups but Gowon himself is a Northern Christian and not a proper member of the Muslim North. His people are killed during riots as well. He was not necessarily working for the core North. The north was split too into west central and etc. What Colonel Ojukwu should have done was to insist on a referendum before state creation and that would have set a precedent. However we can't go back to yesterday.

Why no names of the coup plotters?

Fekumzi123:
Bros, how now?
You have the means to win a war but you choose to use restraint and got over 3million of your people killed? Please, say something reasonable now.

The people that died due to hunger were around 500k according to the CIA. You people just like manufacturing figures

gidgiddy:
Thats another reason why they will never teach Nigerian history. A lot of people still think that Ojukwu just got up, declared Biafra for no reason, and without any mandate to do so

They dont realise that it was the breaking of the Aburi accord by Gowon that prompted the Eastern Nigerian Consultative Forum to seat, deliberate, and mandate Ojukwu to declare the Eastern Region a seperate country

Was it Worth it to go to war over the Aburi accord? The people that signed were not elected so it was not surprising that the politicians directed Gowon to reject it. Then the people given new states wanted it

Actually Nigeria isn't poor but it is not well managed. There has never been famine in the country for instance and if you can solve your food problem the rest is easy according to a Yoruba proverb
Then as another proverb says 'omo bere osi bere' The more your children the more your poverty. Nigeria's population has quadrupled in the last sixty years. No rich country is like that

Sheuns:
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE are zero tax countries.

They haver a very low population and they don't produce much outside oil. For Nigeria to be like them we must produce over 200 million barrels of oil per day then what we will achieve is to be like livestock to government

IbnB:
How can you tax people at a rate of fifty percent?! Are you high??

I said taking fifty percent of GDP as taxes. There are different taxes like income tax, VAT property tax and etc which normally should add up to fifty percent of the GDP or more
In most working countries the sum total of what government takes is up to fifty percent of the GDP

brain54:
They are more highly dependent and reliant on taxation because they have fewer natural resources...


Copycat syndrome is sometimes the bane of our problems as Africans.

It's good to copy sometimes... but other times is necessary to fashion out tailor made solutions to our problems.

It's the only way we can go. I always use China as an example. Their solutions are tailor made to fit their problems.

They don't copy the west hook, line and sinker. The worst they do, and we ought to do is modify what works there to suit our problems.

Another good example of tailor made solutions is Singapore!

Not necessarily. US and Norway produce more oil per Capita than Nigeria.
If you want a working country, the sacrifice you need to pay is high taxes

brain54:
Countries with no natural resources should depend on taxation...

Nigeria normally ought not to go that route. Taxation should be for countries like the UK.


It's only lazy Nigerian leaders... leaders too lazy to think that would go that route.


Nigeria is too blessed abundantly to have an economy dependent on heavy taxation!

You don't need a benevolent leader. What you need is a viable, tested and trusted system. What has worked all over the world is taxing the economy at a rate of around fifty percent to pay for good education, universal healthcare, infrastructure and etc

You don't even need any natural resources to become prosperous as a nation. What you need is ambitious leadership that will take half of the GDP as taxes and plough it back into the economy until the country becomes competitive

Ogun and Oyo are the only southern states with grazing reserves. It is clear now that grazing reserves can not solve the problem.

Good development.

It is not really unregulated though because they learn the trade before being set up. However it is better to formally regulate it

It is your ancestors that incarnate in your children no matter who impregnated your wife.

WizardOfNG:
It is a big deal because of the Nigerian factor whereby the herders don't want to embrace modernity and change to transition away from moving cattle across grazing route from the North to South of Nigeria.

Aid this aso it the ulterior expansionist motives of their sponsors who deliberately want them present outside the North to be causing insecurity and unrest.

The unique complexity of what has created the problem of open grazing for Nigeria, being used as an excuse to commit crime and create insecurity, requires innovative solutions.

RUGA , for example, was good but scare-mongering and short-sightedness killed it.

Main reason it is good is because allowing ranches across the South for breeding cattle leads to the containment of grazing activities, within designated areas, without giving off the signal Fulanis are not wanted outside their traditional homes in the North.

If you have watched the videos online of confrontations you would have noted where Fulanis are insisting, as if rehashing indoctrinated speech, to Southerners challenging them to leave their land, that they are entilted to move around Nigeria.

In the middle belt, they make same argument with deadly violence even. Would it not make sense to ignore scaremongering of Nigerians, who think think zero presence of Fulanis in their land solves all presence of insecurity, and government forges ahead with commercial ranching that provides controlled presence of Cattle rearing in all regions of Nigeria meaning whoever engages in open grazing after that the beginning of formal ranching can be challenged and prosecuted with the support of all?

We are saying the same thing. The herders need to be trained in modern methods of animal husbandry after which they should be given a deadline. Britain is only around sixty million people and they have around ten million cattle heads. We are over 200 million with over 20 million cattle heads.

CoronaVirusPro:
If you conversant with cattle business if the truth needs to be said, it is capital intensive and why most try to cut corners.

500 cows will need a minimum of 1000 acres and that when you will have to supplement with meals. For strictly grazing, you will required Mimi in of 3000 so as to do rotational grazing. Then when you start going mechanized, that’s like death sentence.

So I know what it entails when I share these perspective as I do not want to be careless or inconsiderable.

If the government wants to curb the menace, it must make sacrifices.

One thousand is big business like someone setting up a small brewery. You can do one hundred or even fifty. That number can sustain a family

CoronaVirusPro:
You cannot use the actions of few to judge all. Let’s both imagine that my recommendation was approved. Where will you find the criminals and their cattle’s? They will disappear and probably move into other trade where their crimes can thrive of any is left.

But you have to look for measures to separate the good from the bad. Only the good ones will accept your good gesture, and then you will be able to deal with the bad ones.

You can’t offer such magnitude of assistance and be rebuked when you unleash terror on the disobeying ones and criminals.

We are Nigerians, we know how Nigerians learn. I can assure you, before you slaughter 1000 cows, all would have adhered and those that cannot would have left your state

It is not easy for them because the system is their culture and they were born into it. They can't imagine spending money or effort to feed their cattle when that is what other livestock owners do.
They are well off people and can sort out themselves. Other people in business need low interest loans too. You have 500 cows and you are poor?
There is no other way than to give them deadline and they will sort out themselves. The government can help with free training

CoronaVirusPro:
True, and why we cannot call all of them criminals.

The government needs a good justification to enforce laws. Miyetti Allah won’t bark with proper measures. If you need land, visit the state government, and if you need loan, head to GT bank for low interest loans.

With that, you can unleash hell and no reasonable person will stand up to protest what’s not. Such measure will give you the full backing of all Nigerians.

If you are driving just one hundred heads of cattle about there is no way you will not become a criminal because you will destroy people's farms and not be able to pay for it

CoronaVirusPro:
For you to effective laws to stop open grazing, you need justifications for such actions. If as giver of Ogun state with such enormous land mass, if I am able to implement and extend such gestures to herders, then I believe I will be justified to confiscate and use wandering cattle’s to feed the prison inmates and schools.

Northern elders or what do you call their association cannot come for me in such instance. I will be justified to enforce strict laws with no shortcuts.

Before my government slaughters 1000 cows, you will find all in designated zones. You just need a justification to enforce such laws. That justification is what the government does not have now.

Are the frequent clashes and killings not enough justification? Whole towns being evacuated? You can give them free training and other things then you give them a deadline to sort out themselves

CoronaVirusPro:
Let me correct another narrative of yours is wrong and people have accepted it to be true. All cattle herders are not Fulani’s. It is just a general false perception that they are all Fulani’s. Many Northern tribes are in the trade including Hausa’s.

Even southerners are involved too but the majority are Fulani

CoronaVirusPro:
The big shots in the business don’t roam their cattle’s and why criminals cannot hide under that umbrella. Now, that tells you that, of other herders are giving such olive branch yo be confined and run their activities, criminals among them will have no where to hide.

It’s 2025. No one is taking a land a land you leased or sold with clauses. The land owners don’t even need to do anything. We have reputable real estate companies and legal firm that can draft a law binding agreement.

It’s 2025 for God sake. How do you convince me that you will take a land I leased to you.

These sentiments is what has kept the criminals to thrive for over 5 decades and till date, nothing still has been done about it.

Same measures don’t yield different results.

You don't seem to understand that what the cattle herders want are things like grazing route, grazing reserves, right to water and etc. How much land do you need to put 1000 cows? Their problem is that they don't want to try new ways. They are used to the archaic ways. However there are ranches in the country already and the challenge is to make all the Bororo embrace ranching so as to stop the killings.
If they want land for ranches they will surely get it without any government input

nairalanda1:
Yes, like the USA.

Ranching and railways to transport the cows to market and export . Active dairy industry where milking is done by machines ( tho allegedly zebu cows aren't good milk cows)

Yes and despite all the problems in Nigeria beef is not cheaper than other livestock that have to be fed with money. Cattle eats free food. It is therefore better to ranch them and spend money to get feed to them

You can ranch one million heads of cattle in Osun alone even more and be getting hay from all over the country

nairalanda1:
Killings happen there live. As bad as Nigeria

Shey you didn't see where i said that cattle herders in south Sudan are all armed?

Then we have to learn from other countries where there are no killings

CoronaVirusPro:
Please confirm your statement and get back.

You cannot buy land anywhere and personally designate it as a farm. Lands and areas have codes that state what can be done on it.

You can’t even own just 1 cow in a residential area irrespective of your land size. The land has to be designated as agricultural and home stead.

I know you have to obey planning laws but there is agricultural land in all states and all cattle can stay in the south if that is needed. There are vast forests in the south but the farmers will have to liaise with the communities not expect government to guarantee them land. Their problem is not land. The problem is they don't want to stop doing it the old way but even in this Nigeria many cattle owners don't roam their cattle all over the country. They have ranches. Let the others learn from them. I once heard VP Atiku say he has over a thousand heads that are ranched
Cattle is not a small business and if other livestock owners are not roaming their livestock and are competitive why is it difficult for herders? Cattle eats hay and it is not difficult to gather hay to wherever your ranch is located. If you are rearing pigs or chicken you have to buy feed.

CoronaVirusPro:
Land is not free anywhere. In same US, you have agricultural lines and easy access to farm loans to acquire and start business.

You cannot buy land just anywhere for ranching, and most of those massive acres you see are not purchased outrightly. They are backed up by mortgages and those farmers get “MAD” government incentives.

Why not just anywhere?. It can be anywhere with borehole. Just have the number of cattle you can manage. In the UK a whole family might have one or two hundred or less and be selling milk and beef while using a SUV to pack fodder. It is not a difficult business

CoronaVirusPro:
You are right but those countries were able to achieve that through government interventions in forms of mortgages, loans, subsidies, tax and tariff exemptions and agricultural designated zones.

If we try to replicate same in Nigeria, the tribalist and religious bigots will be let loose.

RUGA was a good initiative, but it was politicized and no other diplomatic solution was presented.

There is no need for government to guarantee land for anybody. You just need somewhere to put one thousand head maximum then have logistics to get them fodder. In the US most ranches are not more than 1000 heads of cattle. That unit will employ graduates

nairalanda1:
Kenya,Uganda, Tanzania, south Sudan , Sudan, and Niger, Burkina, Ghana and Mali have the same issues.

Infact in Uganda at one point the army had to be on permanent alert in one part of the country because one cattle herder tribe had a rite of passage for it's young men when they would go and raid neighbouring tribes for cattle. Violence results.

Masai people of Kenya and Tanzania believe that every cow in the world belongs to them. You can guess the end result of such thought process.

South Sudan? Cattle herders have been armed for years..with AK.

IT DOES not excuse the Fulani. Infact , it is time they embraced ranching . Roaming around with cows can't work today..

Some countries might have similar issues but we don't get to hear of killings as is common in Nigeria. Then Britain, Australia Brazil, US, India, China etc all have huge number of cattle and it doesn't cause problems in those countries

What is the big deal in putting cattle in one place with water and then going around to get feed for them. I think it is simple and straight forward

Is Nigeria the only country with cattle? More or less all countries have cattle and they don't allow open grazing. Many have more cattle per Capita than Nigeria and less land