₦airaland Forum

Number of settlements should exceed that because Ijesa land alone may have close to that. However urban centers will be a handful

PlayerMeji:
In the Quran, if Adam was the first man created and he was the first prophet...who did God send him to deliver his message to?

Another question begging for an answer

Does Islam predate Mohammed?.

The idea spread by Islam is that Islam is an age long religion and that the religion of Adam the first man according to the Quran was Islam.
However, logic says otherwise. Given that there have always been people in all cultures who don't worship idols (just like there are whole cultures like Judaism and Zoroastrianism that don't), these people were not at variance with Idolators. They did not abuse or pick on Idolators. They did not say Idolators are violating the law of God by worshipping idols. They did not fight jihads. They did not have a holy land. They did not have a last prophet. They also did not hold themselves separate from other people. They didn't observe the Ramadan and they didn't pray five times daily. Given that they blended easily and completely with their community, it will therefore be wrong to refer to them as Muslims. Muslims tend to be troublemakers wherever they are. Mohammed was the first Muslim and only prophet of Islam. This is what logic says.

One thing is if Fenrir did his sampling among very poor people, he will record more failed marriages and spouse abuse. All my family members have stable marriages and their children are doing well.

Kobojunkie:
1. It is OK to hold an opinion, but denying the facts is something entirely different. Marriages in even Yoruba land— since this discussion is about Yorubaland— are in terrible straits. The abandonment rate reveals this to anyone paying attention.

2. No, since Yorubaland does not make up the whole of Nigeria.

3. Yes, he did say that, but made sure to telescope down to the Yoruba culture, not Bini, Efik, Hausa, Egbira, etc.— in particular.

4. The Colonial mess is an attempt by folks like you to shirk responsibility for the mess created by your ancestors, and current traditional and religious leaders. He was clear, you all need to stop doing that nonsense already!

5. You did no such thing!

Well, he probably did research, so he maybe right if the research was well done about marriages in Yoruba land but I know that in a place like the USA, Nigerians are known for their strong family values.

I meant that I pointed out ethnic rivalry as a causative factor for the malaise in Nigeria. I believe it is, maybe you dont.

Would you say France was not looming over Francophone west Africa until recently?. If you say Britain has not been looming over Nigeria you would be wrong. I am doing my best that I can offer for the country and overtime I have learnt many things. I used to think we over flog the issue of neo colonialism but I was wrong.
We stand on the mistakes and exploits of our ancestors. There were great men and faulty men among them.

Kobojunkie:
1. And?

2. Nonsense! What in the world do you mean they can be contested?

3. Focus! This thread isn't about Nigeria but about issues the OP raised of his research and observations about the Yorubas culture and belief systems. Stop deviating.

I mean I don't agree that marriages here are the worst in the world.
Then the discussion is about Nigeria. He pointedly said Nigerian men have made a mess of the country and I pointed out that the mess is a colonial mess and the rivalry among ethnic groups is a contributory factor to the malaise. I agree with him that if a country is bad you blame the men but I pointed out an important causative factor.

Ideologies and the future of humanity.

A major downside of civilization or city living is religion or ideologies in general. Religion is spiritual ideology while other non spiritual ideologies exist. If people are not living together in great numbers, there will be little opportunity to brainwash them in any particular direction. They would be more of freethinkers.
We are a collaborative species. We advance greatly by working together. For us, it is a case of if one can solve one hundred problems, then two working together will be able to solve ten thousand. That is the multiplier effect of collaboration.
Nothing is more poisonous to civilization than ideologies and ideologies thrive when people live together in great numbers and unless people live together in great numbers and collaborate accordingly, advancement will be slow. People fight and kill each other over ideologies.
Ideologies were not prominent on Earth before the coming or outbreak of Christianity. I can hardly think of anything that drove people to hate, fight and kill each other outside the control of territory before religion. Before Christianity, wars were fought largely only over territory.
Since Christianity we have had non spiritual ideologies like Capitalism and socialism in the economic or nation building sector added to the fray for which people died during the cold war.
As a community, we must be on the lookout for ideologies to be able to nip them in the bud before they fester because they are like brain cancer. A good starting point is to teach kids to question everything.

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! There is everything harmful about the culture as is highlighted by the facts of life and living in yorubaland even today. Stop making generalized statements out of ignorance/blindness abeg!

2. Inner ethnic rivalry that exists even between those who claim to be Yorubas, you conveniently ignore,abi? Nonsense! Stop trying to shift blame, abeg .

The major reason he hates Yoruba men is they expect to be prostrated to during the wedding of their daughters. Marriages here even last longer than global average so the other issues about marital rape etc that he raised can be contested. I don't accept that it occurs more here.

I agree that there is rivalry between Yoruba subgroups and that we can deal with the rivalry in Nigeria no matter how long it takes but it will still be a colonial state using English. It will still be a successor of the British empire. The Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo etc are big enough to stand on their own two feet in the United Nations using their own languages. However the rivalry among Yoruba subgroups is not unhealthy. The rivalry in Nigeria is totally unhealthy. There are often fatal clashes and etc. Security first.

Kobojunkie:
I nailed it, didn't I? 🤔

You lot will resort to any tactic to keep yourselves from directly attacking the subject put forth by the OP on the thread! 🙄🙄🙄

I have responded to him. I told him it is wrong to blame all white people for what the British or the French did with their colonial empires. I agreed with him. People are divided into ethnicities and nations and not into colors. I also said if he does not like the mega show of respect by the groom on wedding days during Yoruba weddings he should talk to his Yoruba fiancee if his fiancee is Yoruba. What more to add?. There is nothing harmful in Yoruba culture even if the respect is excessive. We can't change for him.

I also talked about how inter ethnic rivalry is a root cause of Nigeria's go slow

dederocs:
The governor of a northern states just banned dreadlocks, Lagos state governor arrested the ipob chief for threatening the state, and you say a governor can not ban miyetti for being a threat to the peace of the state?

You are just talking from a biased view as a northerner, I won't waste my time talking to a bigot.

You don't need to ban Miyetti as a governor, what you need is to ban open grazing after giving them time then start arresting and seizing the cattle of violators

Rossikk:
We had such in the olden days. They were called the Oyo Mesi in Yorubaland.

If the Oba was deemed by them to be messing up or incompetent, they would send him a message giving him 1 week to kill himself, or someone would do it for him!

Of course in this modern era it will be a less harsh punishment for bad leadership that we will use. But the checks WILL be there.

We ALSO need to revive, update and standardise our TRADITIONAL RELIGION.

This whole thing of just abandoning our entire spiritual heritage garnered over thousands of years simply because some white criminals invaded with guns and bombs a mere century ago, to impose their “white man Jesus” on us, is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

It was not all the time they asked an offending king to commit suicide. It depends on the offense. They often just remove the King. There were kings in Oyo and IJESA that were sacked and later recalled again. In Oyo, Sango's elder brother was sacked and Sango was put there. Sango later entered the ground or disappeared and his brother was recalled to become Alaafin once again.

Religion did not exist on Earth before Christianity. All cultures had their spirituality and they adhered to it. Hopefully the whole world will return to that era of spiritual peace and tranquility

dederocs:
Everyone knows first homosapiens were Africans due to fossils and remains discovered in East Africa/Ethiopia etc...

My point is we are not fully Homo sapiens. We have Neanderthal, Denisovan and etc ancestors and those are not native to Africa. West Africans even have what is called ghost DNA from an unidentified hominid

Samantha125:
But we only know about four.

You mean foreigners only know about four. I know Zulu and Xhosa

So SA has only ten ethnic nationalities, Nigeria has hundreds

Build like ten units of three bedroom flats for letting out to safeguard your money and be using any remaining change to trade. You can learn how to trade anything from clothes to foodstuff to airtime and etc. You should be OK that way

Makamatic:
Mugu , which business you want do with inflation at nearly 70% , even drug dealer and casino owners wouldn't dare on such margins . My bro use that money and run away to another country , if nigeria good las las your children go come do business for here but you run away oo

That is real cowardice because even foreigners are making it big in the country

abbasajao:
For your information and education, all the prophets and messangers of Allah including Isah ibn Moriam ( Jesus the son of Mary) are all Muslims and there is no distinction between them. Christianity is an association formed after Jesus had left the surface of the earth.
And please note, prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is not the originator of Islam. Islam has been in existence since existence of mankind starting from prophet Adam. Islam is the real ẹṣin aba láyé as The Yoruba do say.

Since the beginning of time, all cultures have contained people who don't worship idols but they are not Muslims. Why?. Because they don't fight Idolators, they don't have holy land, they have no last prophet and a legion other reasons.

Ofemannnu:
I know Itsekiris are from Ile Ife but they prefer to be a distinct tribe.
I know of Olukumi.
Are there really substantial Ilajes in Delta?

Yes there are some Ilaje in Delta state

So far there is a committee above the King that can overrule him or her on anything and also be able to sack him or her without notice or ceremony it can work

mrvitalis:
Support yoruba nation so no body go drag population with Una there

Yes I am doing that. There is a need for all Yorubas in west Africa to be in.one country. If East and west Germany can reunite after decades, the Yoruba should do the same after colonization.

Ofemannnu:
True.Babangida really cheated Kwara by carving out Kainji and gifting it to Niger,his homestate.


Who are the Yorubas in Delta?

There is Itsekiri, some Ilaje and Olukunmi.

Ofemannnu:
Who are the Yorubas in Southern Niger state?

Some Jebba towns are in Southern Niger state. Jebba has like 33 towns

tundegan:
Who are those people who have been living in the past by thinking Nigeria's population are based on census conducted in 1990s or early 2000? Those are the people we need to ask questions from

I think the problem is in counting only the southwest as Yorubas when Yoruba land stretches to southern Niger state, Edo and Delta state.

Philipponzaghi:
We are not fighting for population but development and advancement

Population also helps Development and advancement. Many heads are better than one. The more your population the more your GDP and the more your representation in government

The true proportion of Yoruba population in Nigeria.

The reality is that the Yoruba are slightly over thirty percent of the Nigerian population, not the 21 percent that is often reported. The Yoruba own by over 80 percent indigenously seven states in Nigeria apart from their ancestral lands in other states. No other group in Nigeria have up to eighty percent in seven states. The Hausa have over 80 percent in six states. The seven states for the Yoruba are six in the southwest and Kwara state in the North central. The Yoruba also own parts of Edo, Niger, Delta and Kogi states. The total population on Yoruba land in Nigeria will be over 70 million or close to 75 million and that is over thirty percent of Nigeria’s population. The non indigenes staying in Yoruba land are canceled out by Yoruba living in other places in Nigeria and across the world. What and who you have on your land is your property as an ethnic nationality.
In conclusion, the true percentage of Yoruba population in Nigeria is over thirty percent and not the twenty one percent often reported.

As it is now, anyone can contest elections anywhere. What new value will the bill add if adopted?. Even as it is, you can be adopted by indigenes if you know how to maneuver yourself.

Disposable income

May their souls rest in peace.

Fenrir:
If I ever met you, you would understand what true threat is

I am not given to physical troublemaking just online

Fenrir:
And thing you don't understand I'm the exact opposite to you

I would pick a rifle and fight a government that tried to do this

I would fight islam until my last breath

And yes I'm atheist I don't believe in religion

But I would fight until my last breath to protect people's rights to freely practice their religion or not practice any at all

Do you support their right to be indoctrinating people including children and even employ people to do that?. Do you think they have the right to be threatening law abiding people with hell fire?.etc etc

Fenrir:
That is fucking disgusting

You want to completely take away people's freedom

You want the government to steal people's property for being different and not like you

You want people to be a prisoner to your world view

You are basically a Nigerian Hitler

Any freedom you have that does not respect other people's freedom should be taken from you. There is no big deal in taking their properties. It is NGO properties