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MaxInDHouse:
Now lawani is silenced!
Please stop deceiving yourself politicians are the ones behind wars not religion the fact that politicians don't appeal to your Ifá people is because you guys don't have enough followers for politicians to use as zombies who will go and kill or get killed!

You mean you don't know people can be radicalized by spiritual ideology just like normal secular ideology?. People really believe those absurd things in holy books and they act them out. However I am not saying politicians don't use religion to further their aims

sonmvayina:
We need to get rid of Christianity first.
If we do, Islam will fall naturally. The mistake the Arabs made was adding Christian ideas to their beliefs. They should have been neutral.
We need to go back to the spirituality. This was the world setting q before the advent of Christianity. Christianity is a false concept based on a false premise. There is no where God said he was going to send anybody. Jesus did not come in his name...God does nothing without revealing it to his servants Amos 3:7..
God abhores human sacrifice or killing of any human for sacrifice for that matter.
We need to understand that the main battle is within us. The war is against our ego..pride, jealousy, envy...etc. That is the narrow road.

Thanks bro. In fact Islam is not more than a sect of Christianity. Mohammed believed in the virgin birth and prophet hood of Jesus Christ. Only early Christians believed such. Jews have never. It shows that Mohammed was converted by a Christian sect. He added what he added to the practice in order to convert his people. It is the same way Europeans added Christmas a practice that predated Christianity to Christianity in order to convert the people. They changed the day of worship to Sunday to convert the people.

Everything will change as we will no doubt be able to convince the leaders in due course of time

StillDtruth:
Taking man back to the very things that is all the old paganisms and idolatries and abominations and evils which the very people of old did that made He Who is God to wipe them out after raining down plagues?

It is Written "he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate God love death."



Please, stop talking rubbish. No where did you see Paul teach Judah-ism. From beginning to the end you see him preach Christ

And no where do you see Christians involved in government to the point that they have guns and nuclear bombs.

It is all you evil people and pagans as proven by the rituals your brothers who are politicians do to attain power to rule over their fellow men

Christianity was originally a Judaism sect called Nazarene. They originally had no Gentile member.

StillDtruth:
Taking man back to the very things that is all the old paganisms and idolatries and abominations and evils which the very people of old did that made He Who is God to wipe them out after raining down plagues?

It is Written "he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate God love death."

Don't you think it is wrong to support those branding God as a brute who is punishing unbelief and idolatry?. If we continue to allow God to be portrayed that way, don't you think we will continue getting the same results?. Results like holy wars, hate, segregation and etc. What we sow is what we will reap. I presume you are a gentleman. Can you as a gentleman be burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry?. On idolatry, can you as a parent tell your kids to respect no other person but you?. There is the supreme deity and lesser deities, ancestors and other spirits. Mostly all cultures agree. You should be able to see why religion is incompatible with human progress

StillDtruth:
Because of you know you would be punished for your idolatries and witchcraft you decided to make it worse by blaspheming God.

Do note that it is written that if idle words are punished, how much more your blasphemy.

God shall surely punish you and you will forever regret your birth

I beg your pardon. All I am trying to do is to do my bit in bringing back human civilization from the brink. There were no wars fought for God before Paul the Apostle started preaching the doctrine of his sect of Judaism to Gentiles. The most likely thing that can cause a nuclear war today is religion. Why can't we just go back to the days when each culture practiced its spirituality in peace with nobody breathing down their necks?. Why?

MaxInDHouse:
So are you now saying Ifá is a religion?

No. I used the word spirituality. Religions are also spiritualities but toxic

MaxInDHouse:
You need wisdom to understand this little thing!
But i will use questions to help you get the sense of what happened.

Is there any religion you know that does not proselytize?
If they all proselytize then how are they going to get proselytes if their main aim is to kill people?

Only Christianity and Islam proselytizes. They are the only ones who see themselves as the only way. The priests of other spiritualities only use their expertise to work for people for a charge.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you this countless times that there is no religion with the aim of killing people, it's politics that's behind all these killings in this world the Bible shows how politicians are hiding behind the scene to perpetrate their evil.
So i'm tolerant towards all religions it's politics that i will never ever agree with no matter how subtle they introduce it because that's the Genesis of mankind's problem not religion!

So you really think the saints of the inquisition were not indoctrinated?. The people who kill all over the world for Islam were not indoctrinated but are politicians?. I am shocked that you are oblivious to the danger that religion poses for humanity

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is less than 2,000 years old as at the time the scrolls were assembled in one big volume and in comparison with your Ifá that has 20,000,000 words the Bible is just 31,200 words found in 1,189 chapters as written in 66 schools by 40 men.
The earliest scroll dated less than 4,000 years yet it has been compiled since 1900 years ago and distributed globally as billions of copies has been sold.
This book has answered all those questions and not only that it could be further expatiated for interested persons that's the big difference between God's word (Bible) and man's fabrication!

You are wrong about the wordage of the Bible. Go and check again

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know what is called TOLERANCE?

You talk against religion with passion yet you are not even set to take up the huge responsibility that religion has been handling for centuries.

Well i'll not advise you to stop criticizing them or their books because it's like the only way you get a sound sleep but stop mentioning me in you useless, hopeless worthless and clueless Ifá because your stupid Ifá is nothing beside my Bible so if i don't criticize your Ifá it's not that i don't have what to say against it i'm just a tolerant person.

Oh my God!. How can you have tolerance for those whose stated aim is to crush or extinguish you?. All I am fighting for is that they should be shut out from using the public. They should be able to do their stuff in private homes. It is not right to collaborate with those whose stated aim is to cut off your head. I hope you agree

MaxInDHouse:
So you are the world's number one Ifá man your God will reveal all these things to, shey?

Please how long has these your Ifá being in existence?

I think anyone with IFA understanding could have done it. That is how it works in the academia. I was worried about a problem and I solved it. It was not easy though. Atimes my spirit would make me wait for a long time for a small information and it would a times also say the information I want is none of my business. In the academia, you must be peer reviewed and whatever you are submitting must make sense to your peers, subordinates and seniors.
IFA has been in existence for over 5200 years

paxonel:
Anyway, to us the concept of God includes Kama.
And you know, with Kama ignorance is not an excuse

I agree with you that every action will get its own karma.

paxonel:
And your irrational things be it consciously or unconsciously are affecting other people so long you interact with them. How will you explain that this is not sin?

I agree that you can unknowingly wrong someone but if that happens, I will ask for forgiveness and restitute as soon as I get to know. If I never get to know, I don't see why I should be punished by God for that when it was not even God that was shortchanged. That is just human error. I live carefully.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm 100% sure that you will die if you try to stop mentioning me because i have no need of you in any way since my own business is to interact with interested persons it's you who is dying due to the success of other religions around you while your Ifá starves because it has no customers!

IFA priests have customers. It is a well established spirituality globally. What I am seeking is the stability and progress of humanity

MaxInDHouse:
@ lawani.

Bible answers to those important questions can be found in any version as in translation of the Bible throughout the world.

So my question is:

Can we get the same answers you gave on this thread from all the Ifá priests in the world?

After my book is published, they will accept it. The book is not yet published. It is one step at a time. If you have IFA, it does not take more than checking by yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
This is Oxford dictionary definition of KNOWLEDGE.

*The fact of knowing about something; general understanding or familiarity with a subject, place, situation.

*Awareness of a particular fact or situation; a state of having been informed or made aware of something

*Intellectual understanding; the state of appreciating truth or information.

The spirituality i subscribe to which is BIBLE teaches me that any other forms of spirituality is scam and falsehood.

Of course i never swallowed that hook line and sinker since Bible itself is a book written by humans like me but one thing i found really strange about the Bible is how it answers questions having to do with our existence on this planet:

*How did life begin?
*Why are we here?
*Why do innocent people suffer?
*What happens when a person dies?
*If everyone wants peace, why is there so much war?
*What will happen to the earth in the future?

There is no form of spirituality that can adequately address these issues like the Bible so i realized that what the Bible says about all other sources of divine guidance is true, they are all scam or falsehood.

But if you disagree let us pick those questions one after the other you should present answers your Ifá gives so that everyone following this thread can verify while i will use my Bible.

Are you ready?

Meanwhile note that despite your Ifá stupidity worshipers of your Ifá still wage war against themselves due to politics but the Bible God said that is because what you people trust is a demon that's only interested in worship but can't help you people!

According to my research with IFA

How did life begin?

IFA said we should always know that there is intelligence behind it and we can not know beyond that. IFA said the Odu of the beginning is Osa Ogunda. Action leading to high entropy. All species were teleported here from a habitable planet and that happened on the same day. One man one woman and plentiful other species. IFA says it happens whenever a planet becomes habitable. IFA said the first planet is still going on well and they are our guide. Whatever happens to them is our fate.


Why are we here?

The real world is the spirit world and spirits come here or incarnate to harvest food for their sustenance in heaven. If you do good, hundred years can translate to up to five thousand years for your spirit.

Why do innocent people suffer?

It can be because of their own choices or mistakes. It can also be caused by bad leadership from.either family or government. What the spirit is after is their food. You can also ask why are some people born as imbeciles?. IFA said it is because the spirits don't know the integrity of the fetus. They only know things known to human beings, past or present. So when a spirit is incarnated as an slowpoke, it will just harvest its food at the end of the period and when it is time to delete one incarnation it will delete that one.


What happens when we die?.
The spirit will pick its food and leave. It can also give spirits that do not have incarnation after paying a tax of ten percent to the God grid.

If everybody wants peace why is there war

There are wars on Earth only because we have not crafted out a code of conduct for all to abide by, that everybody agree with. The cold war era was because of that. One of the causes of war is religion.

What will happen to the Earth in the future

IFA said the Earth will continue as it is. If our sun expires another will rise and replace it. Whatever happens to the first civilization is what will happen to us and they are still thriving

MaxInDHouse:
You can only fool unintelligent people in your neighborhood not wise individuals online.
Your problem is jealousy as those religious leaders are making millions and living large while you with your own spirituality scam can't make customers out of those mugus in the society so you wish all those religions should be banned for your Ifá to have no competitor.
If you're sure of your Ifá i put it to you again that your useless, worthless, hopeless Ifá is nothing but the same scam like what those religious yahoo big boys are into.
So if you want to quote anyone on this forum you're free but never again should you quote me (MaxInDHouse) with your nonsense and ingredients Ifá!

Why are you irritable?. I am sorry to get on your nerves. I am against only toxic spiritualities ie religions meaning Christianity and Islam. Islam don't have mega Imams like mega Pastors but I am still against them. Alfas operate like Babalawos. They work for you and you pay but their beliefs and what they teach is a problem to humanity and that causes me to be against them. I started this fight unknowingly with poems in 2000 and I have survived several attempts on my life from Christians and Muslims. If you don't want to engage me just stay off my mentions too. It takes two to tango.

MaxInDHouse:
Your Ifá and Ọ̀rúnmìlà are evil spirits!

Care to dig deeper?

Explain to us how Orunmila who is respected as a sage by millions is an evil spirit

paxonel:
There is a common factor about all humans.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

The story of Adam and Eve is just an illustration to show that all have sinned. Everyone have their own story about what sin that they have done. Only that Adam and Eve own was documented in the bible as an illustration to show what happens generally

This we are all sinners rhetoric serves to make the society even worse. I am not a sinner. I do only rational things

MaxInDHouse:
Your 20,000,000 years Ifá compared to the God of Abraham shows you are just a kid complaining about food shortages when he is doing nothing to support in increasing food supply.
I am still here o anytime you wish to take it up i'm saying it with boldness that all the gods of your ancestors are evil spirits as in demons including your Ifá proof dey yanfu yanfu!

How do you mean I am.just a kid?. I said IFA if compiled will be over twenty million words if not over 100 million while your Bible is less than 800k. I didn't say years I said words. It is to tell you that there is no department of human endeavor that IFA did not speak about. I however I am not here to teach someone belligerent about IFA.
Why do you say Orunmila is an evil spirit?. Orunmila was a man that deserved a Nobel prize for inventing IFA. He is one of the foremost contributors to spirituality. It is not right to refer to his spirit as an evil spirit. I hope you understand

PulsingPurple:
Okay you had me for a while, then I realised you're fixed on your pre-accepted definition of things, which means it's useless for me to keep on 'dressing' Christianity.
And no, I'm not dressing Islam. You can call it dressing because yes, people have put out the wrong impression if Christianity and I'm only trying to show you my own version (which addresses most of your concerns).

Now, concerning the idea that a 2000 year old death means we Christians can be immoral as we like is another lie, a hoax again.

I'd say again that God is very logical, God also can't be 'used as a fool'.

The idea of the death is symbolic that you won't have to die again for your sins, before that it was common knowledge that "the reward for wrongdoings is death", literally and symbolically.
The plan was simple, someone was sent to replace the countless sacrifices of animals that were made to die on behalf of us, again, symbolism.
Now again, this someone was also meant to be someone who would be able to conquer sin and death so it had to be Jesus. Complex explanations that I shouldn't bother you with.

Now the main thing:

The whole idea of believing and getting saved is not a a yes or no choice and the "salvation" is a whole different topic, not a portal people just use to enter 'heaven'.

It's actions chief.
Let's use this analogy.

You have a distant father who happens to be a chief judge at a court. And a just, unbiased judge too.
The father knows all that you do and the mindset behind your actions.
Whenever you commit a crime and you're brought to court, the whole idea of Christianity is that first of all, accept that this Judge is your father.
Anytime you do something bad he'll sentence you to jail, where you serve your time and then he'll give you sets of instructions on what to do, to make up for your wrongdoings.
Now if you accept that the Judge is your father and that he's set aside some money to bail you out, good. That's the concept of Jesus' death.
Yes you'll be sentenced by your own dad cos he's unbiased, then he will still bail you out.
This doesn't mean you won't have to do the other parts of the sentence, like community service for instance or returning what you stole if it was a stealing case.

In real life scenario the Christian will try to obey God and do the right things and things that He instructs, and in the process he'll be paying for his sins even after being forgiven. That's logical. Track the stories of His own disciples suffering for him, to work for their salvation and to work to earn something superior as extra rewards. Then you'll see how Paul who became a disciple suffered more possibly because he had more sins to work for, even after getting the baseline forgiveness. And Paul was aware of this fact and talked about it too so no guesswork here.


The idea of Christianity you have is that since you're the child of the Judge, He'll give you a waiver that allows you to skip justice forever which is false.

You only get unlimited bail which comes only after you express that you're sorry and He sees your heart which means that anyone just saying it without actually meaning it is just wasting time and will receive punishment for that sin when time comes.

So Christianity entails trying to transition from a normal life (likely full of sin) to a life where you are like Christ. Good and loving.
Along the way there's unlimited slots to get help, get forgiveness whenever you backslide, with hope that you'll be a better person soon.

Any other thing is a lie.
Any plans to evade justice will be seen cos God sees the the intentions in the heart of man.

That's as far as I can go.
You'd have observed by now that I'm taking time to write my replies.

If you choose to accept with the version of Christianity in presenting (which is very probably through Scriptures), then it'll address all your complains.
It doesn't mean you have to believe in my God before accepting an explanation.

Then also, it's obvious you're not interested in anyone's explanation but just want to be right about your assumption of how someone's religion works.

So... What else? Shalom

But what I stated is what they preach online, on radio and TV every night and day. My point is that it is immoral to bring up children with the idea that all their sins, past, present and future have been paid for two thousand years ago. It is better to tell them they will pay for every evil they do. It is also wrong to say God hates unbelievers and Idolators to the extent of burning them in hell. These beliefs are affecting the moral fabric of the society as a whole. Those are my points. You are trying to say they don't really mean what they preach but they go about it with all their energy and even employ people to do it. Same with the Muslims. Hate, killings and etc go on by the side. Do you really think it should be allowed to continue?.
The problem is that Christians and Muslims want to be Jews but Jews don't go about threatening unbelievers with damnation. I believe the practices should be curtailed by restricting it to only private homes

PulsingPurple:
Ohh, I get you better.
I was also laying the backbone of Christianity to address the 'violent and cruel' narrative you brought.

I think in general, the condemnation is not as serious when you understand Christianity a bit more.
I'm not 100% sure what exactly the Qur'an means when it talks about stuff like punishment for infidels and all that, the whole jihad and whatsoever, but I can agree that just as Christians, they've held the opinion that you're either for them or against them, hence, punishment for all unbelievers.

For Christianity, I think we've been wrong in making those extreme assumptions.

First of all, I'd want to from today to maybe look at the Christian God as some sort of logical entity— a very logical one.
So if there's any concern you have where 'God' is doing something 'illogical', then there's something that's not right. There's a flawed understanding somewhere and most times, it's just a result of too many people sharing a common misinformation.

Three things about disbelief and idolatry, as it relates with justice which can tend to be 'violent and cruel' at times:

1. Back then, the kinds of idolatry that was constantly attacked by the Israelites leaned towards the ones with followers that directly mocked God and his people and stood in their way. And also the kind of idolatry that involved identifying as an Israelite (God's own) but bowing to things that weren't 'God'.
The Israelites weren't just on a spree attacking and condemning anything that doesn't worship their God.
2. In the days of Jesus, a new knowledge came.
That was the whole idea that instead of sacrificing and animal to die on behalf of you, for your sins, a saviour had come and he was going to die once and for all for everyone, and we just need to believe that his death cover us and we're done.
Now the idea behind all this is that humans by nature are just inclined to do bad stuff and if there's any sort of judgement, then it'll be logical to find a way and say sorry instead of waiting for judgement and consequences to reach you.
So... If you don't say sorry in the right way, you're not getting thrashed up in hell. You're just going to get the exact punishment for the bad things you did, whatever means might be used to achieve that.
And assuming our afterlife in 'heaven' is real and it's for only God's people, then you won't be there cos you didn't identify as one of us.

What that means is that if our heaven and everything is false, y'all are cool. But you'll only find out after everything.

Which leads to the last thing...

3. The Scriptures teach that to some extent, whenever that judgement is due, you'll be judged according to the laws you were exposed to.

That's to say that for instance if there's a Muslim guy somewhere who killed a lot of 'infidels', who learnt all his life that jihadism is the way and didn't have the slightest hint that he was wrong, he'll be punished less than a guy who had a bit of broad education on the value of life but continued to kill.

That's to say if there's this guy in an isolated corner of the Earth who knew nothing about Christ, but has generally been a good guy, he'll likely not get punished for any reason.
Then maybe if there's a similar guy who knew about Christ but rejected, he'll probably get whatever punishment comes as a result of rejecting Christ, which should be anything bad I guess.

Remember it's all logical justice. The God we believe in is logical so...

And lastly, the whole idea of burning forever is straight up hoax.

Scriptures make me believe we'll receive the appropriate punishment, which is supposed to lead to repentance. Just as a father flogs a child, hoping he'll change.
After the punishment we'll be free to 'go and sin no more', since by that time we should know all our wrongs.

Yeah I forgot to add immoral. Don't you think preaching that past, present and future sins have been paid for two thousand years ago breeds immorality in the society?. That is what Christianity spreads. I am not a Muslim as I am against both Christianity and Islam. You are trying to dress up for them and that does not solve the problem. The fact is they say unbelievers and Idolators will be punished and that would be unfair and God does not do unfair things. It is high time we all joined hands for the stoppage of Christianity and Islam in public fora. One thing is they end up being cruel and violent because their rendition of God is cruel and violent

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you can't expect any sane person to study what he doesn't know it's benefits so it's the idea of benefits that can make someone reasonable to waste his or her precious time on your Ifá.
That's the import of PREACHING in Christianity before someone feels the need to study which is leads to TEACHING!

The benefit is that you will be able to work hand in hand with your spirit and you will also be able to help others do the same. That is the summary of the benefits. There is nothing to compare to unrestricted liaison with the spirit world via your own spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
Audio!
What has your Ifá gotten that we can verify?
Nothing.
And you are here talking about millions of years, that's confirmed lie if there is no verification!

If you want to know what IFA has, you have to study it. Millions are studying it like a degree. UNESCO recognized it and etc unlike that your dangerous book called the Bible, the cause of misery, suffering and deaths for centuries

PulsingPurple:
Okay let me rephrase:



Christianity is the lifestyle that is supposedly meant to translate to being like Christ (Jesus) right?
And if you take an unbiased look for yourself it's basically saying love your God, love yourself, love your neighbours.

Can I have any scripture where this Christ we're trying to be like objectively supported 'violence and cruelty'?
And like I said, don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.
I'm not talking of stuffs that that rely solely on symbolism and interpretation, like illustrations, visions.

In summary, the concept of 'hell fire' is a borrowed interpretation for some of the illustrations Jesus made and some visions his disciples had. Hell fire was ancient mythology that was used before Christianity.
The proper interpretation of an afterlife in 'hell fire' is just an afterlife filled with you getting the exact and proper punishment for all the bad things you did, that wasn't settled here on earth. Whatever means might be used to achieve that.
Just like we have the concept of an afterlife in a 'heaven' where we get rewarded for all the good things we did.

So yhh, it's a basic justice system. You reap what you sow. If you don't agree with that, you might want to go around de-establishing the working justice system in your country first.

What I am against is condemning people for unbelief and idolatry and that is peculiar to Christians and Muslims

MaxInDHouse:
Guy your Ifá is dead jọọ we are talking about the word of the living!

Your Bible is only about less than 800k words. If you get IFA together, you should be able to cross 20 million words

Abuja is however Gwari land and not Hausa land or Hausa Fulani land

MaxInDHouse:
Guy let's talk about something testable what has your Ifá revealed that we can all verify as scientifically accurate like the Bible just did in those verses?

Nobody cares about your nightmares please we are not kids!

I am not here to teach you IFA. If you want such knowledge you have to go after it. If you think it is all a joke, then you are welcome

MaxInDHouse:
Did your Ifá know any of these before now?

IFA is more a tool than a store of knowledge. IFA has been used to store a lot of knowledge but in reality it is just spirit language.

PulsingPurple:
Nothing about "Christ"-ianity conveys 'violent and cruel'.

Do your fact checks.

PS: Don't forget the role of symbolism in Scriptural analogies.

But burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry is even beyond violent and cruel. Isn't it?

MaxInDHouse:
Stop reasoning like a baby you felt there is nothing the book has that's scientifically accurate but that has been settled.
So what we are saying here is that Bible writers knew a lot that amazes us which shows that a supernatural force is behind them!
The Bible is not a science textbook but when it talks about science it's information is reliable.

But you are the one reasoning like a baby. The Bible is a compilation of books written over thousands of years by tens of largely unknown authors and you take it as the word of God. Nothing can be worse than that in academic circles because even books written by well known authors are subjected to peer review in the academia

When your God is violent and cruel.

Religion portrays God as a violent and cruel entity who punishes people for unbelief and idolatry. Traditional spiritualities on the other hand portray God as a father of all who is interested in the welfare of his children meaning all of us. Traditional spiritualities are generally in the same approximate format all over the world of having a supreme deity, lesser deities and nature worship, then they have divination systems at different levels of advancement.
When your God is the God of religion with a holy book and who punishes unbelief and idolatry, you are going to have bad results like jihads, crusades, hate killings and etc in your land and justified with God. These things were not justified with God on Earth before the beginning of religion in the first century. Wars in the past before religion used to be only for territory.
We need to reset Earth’s society to what it was before the beginning of religion and where to start from is to impose a ban on the public practice of Islam and Christianity while God the father and Supreme deity is taught in schools to children as a loving father who is not against idolatry or unbelief. He is only against evil doing.
When your God is violent and cruel, your society will also tend to be violent and cruel.