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Fenrir:
I'm actually gobsmacked a Nigerian that's open to how evolutionary science actually works and isn't spouting bible creations crap

Well mate, carry on I'm impressed for once

Well but there are many people like me on this forum. Thanks for the compliment though. I guess you are British?
If they appeared on the same day, that is not evolution

Fenrir:
Probably sharks

They are older than trees as a species

Well, it makes sense for an ocean species to be older than a land species because there would have been no land at some point but my point is that an ecosystem needs all its species at once. They must have appeared on the same day.

My sojourn on social media.

As soon as I joined social media in 2007, one Mr George an elderly American, added me as a friend and was discussing with me. He used to mention late President Yaradua and Governor Fashola of Lagos state. It is now I know that I was communicating with the then US President, President George W Bush, Dad of Barbara Bush who was betrothed to me in 2000 because Enoch Adeboye promised my parents that he will make me a devoted Christian by all means and the CIA knew how dangerous Enoch Adeboye is. They knew of his promise because he was under CIA surveillance. The remote joining of me and Barbara was the US joining the struggle on my side.
President Bush would have via the Mr George identity, introduced me to Barbara that far back in 2007 but he suddenly disappeared from Facebook. He disappeared to restrategize when people turned violent against me. Queen Elizabeth at the head of the British Royals tried to kill me with both poison and then firearms because she felt I was disturbing her plans for Nigeria with my own plans and vision. Enoch Adeboye, David Oyedepo, Chris Oyakhilome, Nasir El Rufai, Isiaka Oyetola, Bola Tinubu, Tunde Bakare, Orji Uzor Kalu and etc all did their best to knock me off for either my attacks on religion or my outspokenness on social media but the USA at the headship of the quartet of the USA, Russia, China and India did not allow it to happen. Other nations soon joined the four nations and it became the broadest coalition of nations ever.
Meanwhile my writings were being collated by the CIA in conjunction with the Presidential library of President George W Bush for peer review and publication and as a result I have over 90 peer reviewed academic works being referenced in academic circles currently, courtesy of the CIA.
The CIA led coalition took over my life and became my guardian. They sponsored an operation in 2008 to steal my spermatozoa while I was in Ile Ife and it was successful and they have been making children for me with women who sympathized and allied with me when I was on the floor and at my lowest. They are now my family starting from Barbara Bush.
Enoch Adeboye colluded with my family members and I was taken to psychiatric hospitals six times starting from 2012 and my guardians responded by making me a Top fan on his social media page up till today and I used the opportunity to be insulting him as well as to be accusing him of his numerous crimes publicly and I have been doing that for years.
The struggle is almost over now and it will give birth to a brand new world.

gidgiddy:
Yoruba's love to claim non existent neutrality. So as Yorubas were hosting Gowon and his Northern proped government in Lagos, Ojukwu should have folded his arms?

You guys gave Gowon and his Northern goons the platform to wage war on the East

Had the capital of Nigeria been in the Eastern Region, the government of Gowon would not have lasted a week. Igbos would have chased them out to the North, where they would have had no capacity to wage war on anyone

Ojukwu attempted to do what Yorubas had no guts to attempt, to chase the Northern goons out. The result was that they goons sat in Lagos, abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had, created 12 states and removed resource control

The Northern goons stayed in Lagos for decades dominating everyone. Well I hope you guys are today enjoying that Nigeria you all think Ojukwu was foolish to fight to get out of

Bro, you are not correct. Awo already got the Northern troops out of the west and they were stationed in Ilorin when the liberation army was at Ore. If it was okay for Biafra to invade the Midwest and Yoruba land then it was OK for the owners of the land to defend it as they had been doing for millennia. It was Colonel Ojukwu's mistake.
The issue of capital or no capital does not stop the Yoruba from defending the west.
However part of the blame goes to Colonel Banjo who accepted the commission to lead the invasion of the west and the Midwest. He should have refused. I guess he realized his error when the liberation army was attacked by Midwesterners in Benin and etc. Youthful exuberance also played a part.

Uchek:
Up till Tomorrow, l don’t understand why Awo & Yorubas aligned with North to fight against Ojukwu’s Biafra.

The Yoruba and the Midwest were working for Biafra by not allowing the Nigerian army to attack Biafra from their land before Biafra invaded their land with the Liberation army headed by Colonel Banjo.

They usually move on to the next victim

Truthseeker10:
On what basis? Where did you learn that from?

All human cultures have names for God and the name existed before religion. They all teach God to be a kind benevolent father unlike the maniac described in holy books

Truthseeker10:
How do you know that the creator of the universe would not do what you stated above in bold?

The creator of the universe should be presumed a gentleman.

The Oluwo of Iwo and the much ado about idolatry

The big fight that religion is fighting today is the one against idolatry. They preach and teach that God does not want idolatry but if we go around the world, the traditional spiritualities all believe in a supreme deity, lesser deities, ancestors and nature worship. They reverence all. Which one should now be suppressed?.God is just like a parent and if a parent can not possibly command a kid to respect only them then God can not possibly say worship only me. It is straightforward common sense.
It is high time the haranguing of Idolators came to an end across the world. It is being used to cause problems all over. We know with our common sense what God is against and that is evil doing. It is the main thing that people should be allowed to condemn as ungodly in public in the society.
The Oluwo of Iwo has taken it upon himself to be saying orisa worship is wrong and that his fellow Obas in Yoruba land should stop involving themselves in it. Orisas are our ancestors that moved the society forward, they are our ancestors that were outstanding. How can we forget them?. The Oluwo said only Olodumare should be worshipped but there is nothing wrong in reverencing a great ancestor. God is not against such. The Oluwo of Iwo should refrain from condemning orisa worship. He should worship only Olodumare if that is what he desires but he should let people be who want to reverence orisas and other entities. You can't be condemning people as immoral that are law abiding because that would be subtle terrorism.

MaxInDHouse:
When the community declares a curfew saying whoever gets lost at that time has been used by the Orò are you saying only one person is behind it all?

Nobody has ever been used by oro that I know of. They only have problem with religionists who are always hell bent on defying them. The oro is just to stop people seeing what they are not supposed to see.

Truthseeker10:
How did you know about him? Does he have a book?

There are no holy books that must be believed in traditional spiritualities. It is a cultural thing that comes as easily as language

MaxInDHouse:
Indoctrination will forever remain until God wipe out false religions but as long as politics is concerned killing of innocent people will continue.
Deborah was stoned to death by zombies who thought they were fighting for God but in reality they are fighting for those ruling over them.
If you are truly educated you should know that judgement is to come from those in authority not mob actions that is why none of those who killed the girl could come out publicly to declare he or she did because the authorities will take him or her in for questioning but is that the case with executioners authorized by the government?
The answer is NO.
If a thief is caught a mob may decide to kill and burn the thief at the stake but can anyone come out openly to declare he or she is part of those who killed the thief?
NO!
Because that's jungle justice.
In fact many Muslims condemned the act while indoctrinated ones don't know where to stand.
So there is false religion which blinds people into doing what they supposed not to do while there is true religion that has no side effects on either the adherents or none subscribers.

Your Ifá is behind the ritual killings of innocent people when they need human sacrifices, that's why they do orò at nights to fetch out olùwọ̀ (unfortunate souls) someone who found himself or herself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If your Ifá is better than Christianity why do they practice human sacrifices till today?
I know they can't deny this because it's in the "odus" Ifá methodologies.

Is using humans for sacrifice not part of indoctrination?

In IFA there is order and camaraderie. Tell me how it is possible for a body of Awos containing eminent people to sign on to human sacrifice. Any Babalawo doing human sacrifice will be excommunicated. However the energy of the spirit world can be manipulated by evil people as well. It is like nuclear energy which has uses in peace and war.

IFA on its own is just a well developed spirit language. A part of isese

Re denominate

That alone can not change the country for the better

MaxInDHouse:
You can never ever make sense to sensible people because RELIGION is not the cause of violence but POLITICS.

Being indoctrinated can make you do bad things. People who stoned Deborah in Nigeria to death were indoctrinated. People who detonate bombs to kill themselves and others were indoctrinated. Only people who are very mature in spirit are free from indoctrination. Politicians use religion, I agree and that is the more reason religion should be eradicated. Before religion was invented, they had to look for other tools

Truthseeker10:
You're deflecting.

So who Is the God of the traditional spirituality?

That is the true God with several names in different languages Olodumare, Ubangiji, Osanobua, God and etc. God has more than seven thousand names corresponding to languages

StillDtruth:
You yourself cannot present any part of the bible which said that God punishes because of unbelief.

And see how you Lie even to yourself. "Crime free" you who is guilty of Idolatry and blasphemy, yet you say you are crime free?

Clearly you are suffering from the first part of God's Punishment which we say "whom God wants to destroy, He first made mad".

Why don't you name your sect where God does not punish unbelief?. However you said I will be punished for idolatry and blasphemy. That too is bad enough. No sane God will do that. Only a mad God would punish law abiding Idolators. Why did you say I blasphemed?. How did I?. By complaining about the ills of Christianity and Islam?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂thank you for agreeing with the screenshot.
So who Is the God of the traditional spirituality?

Traditional spiritualities despite using different methodologies and speaking different languages don't fight among themselves at all. This shows that they are worshipping the true loving father God unlike religions whose sects fight and kill each other. They are worshipping evil Gods is the right conclusion

Speciation happened in an instant.

There are an estimated over 8.7 million species on Earth and there is no reason to believe anyone of them is older than any other. They all participate in the ecosystem together. They are of the same chronological age. That is the way the ecosystem was designed for it to work. For example, there have always been human beings and they were there as soon as there were cats, pigs, cattle, cockroaches, plants and etc. There was no time, that we had cats without mice for them to prey on or was there a time that there were cattle with no fodder for them to eat and etc.
All species are at least equally specialized if we want to refrain from saying they are equally advanced.
We can say only human beings are more advanced than others by having PhD potential.
Therefore from whatever angle you want to look at it, speciation happened in an instant and not gradually by any means. It is the only way the ecosystem as we have it today can be possible.

Truthseeker10:
You're deflecting.

😂😂😂😂
So you don't agree with the screenshot? Yes or no?

Traditional spiritualities is not about beliefs, you don't believe in a superhuman power?

OK I agree with the screen shot but no traditional spirituality is centered around beliefs like the religions. I have explained that I aim to isolate Christianity and Islam because of the harm they do to humanity. That is my initial basis of saying cultural or traditional spiritualities are not religions not that I am fighting the dictionary.
Even science believes in things supernatural now like dark matter and dark energy but there is nothing fantastic that you need to believe before you are acceptable in traditional spirituality

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂😂
So you don't agree with the screenshot? Yes or no?

Traditional spiritualities is not about beliefs, you don't believe in a superhuman power?

Yes traditional spirituality is not about beliefs. Have you ever seen them threatening unbelievers with hell fire?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂it is funny how you don't want to learn but want others to learn from you. Oga do you agree with the definition of religion in the screenshot? Yes or no sir? Either you or the screenshot is wrong.

I have told you that any definition notwithstanding, I and many other people don't refer to traditional spirituality as religion. Religion has holy books that must not be questioned and etc. Traditional spirituality is not about beliefs. They don't drive people in herds. They don't deal in beliefs and etc. If you want to gain your daily bread from it as a priest, you go and learn it like a degree from several masters, then you set up upon graduation. Not different from learning any other trade. You charge your clients like a lawyer. That is not religion. No herding of people with beliefs, no mind control and etc. I don't care about what the screenshot says. I am not going to be lumping toxic spirituality and traditional spirituality together as religion. Sorry. Teach me another thing not something that will make what I am doing more difficult.

I know that religion is about belief in gods by dictionary definition but you can be an atheist and still be acceptable to traditional spirituality

StillDtruth:
Even after I have corrected you that you are punished "according to your deeds" and Law, you still go on blaspheming God?

You certainly deserve every punishment that God shall put on you and verily verily God shall punish you such as no one can imagine.

What sect of religion is yours?. Are you JW?. Even JW says God will exclude crime free unbelievers like me from eternal life. What sect are you that believe God does not punish unbelief?.

Truthseeker10:
.😂😂You are a funny person. Do you agree with the screenshot or not? Simple question.

Side track the definition of religion. It does not negate the fact of the harm Christianity and Islam are causing on Earth. Islam and Christianity stand out as the only spiritualities today that people kill for and to spread. That is the issue to be confronted. Religion too is spirituality but only toxic. I and many others don't refer to traditional spiritualities that has always been there as religion.

sonmvayina:
I have read through your comment. Let me make some few corrections.
1. It was the worshippers of serapis that were called Christians. I really don't know if there was any group of Jews called Nazarenes. There was no Nazareth in the first or second century. But there were nazarites, who were those that kept long hairs.
2. The worship of serapis originated from Egypt and spread to almost all part of the Roman empire. It was when emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for the empire that the presbyters at Nicaea had a choice between Christianity and Mithriaism. They voted to go with Christianity. They then tooshed it up and called it the Catholic Church
3. The Jewish Messiah the prophet wrote about is a man like me and you who would be descended from David through Solomon his son. The two contradictory genealogies in Mathew and Luke, can not produce a Messiah.. His job was to usher in an era of peace and end oppression. Jesus did not fulfill it. (If he existed)
4. Was it Paul that created Christianity? I have a topic on that...look it up.

Even till today, the Islamic word for Christian is Nasara. Christian is a Greek word.
I agree that Jesus was not a Jewish messiah. He obviously wished it but he had no means of confronting the Romans. There were many that rose and were felled by the Romans.

I think Paul can be attributed as the founder of religion because he was the one that started preaching to Gentiles.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the screenshot below?

Let us leave it at that. I have explained to you why many people including myself don't refer to peaceful traditional spiritualities as religions

Truthseeker10:
Kindly tell us the source of the information in bold above, Is that the definition of religion?

The root of the word religion is Latin and a cognate is Fascism. They both mean bound together

StillDtruth:
A Judge applies The Law that has been commanded.

Even your secular judges apply the laws their own kings have given them.

So also shall God's Judges apply The Laws that He has commanded.

And the beginning of just is, is when Law is applied.



Who has not heard what they say?

And have you not heard that you can not threaten an old woman with pregnancy? You are already threatened whether anyone tells you because when you do the wrong, you must fear punishment. So leave mata.



Ehen, this is your pain of the matter. And unfortunately for you it is law full to issue out warnings of danger and doom like people give warning of snyper laced foods and meats.

My 'pain of.the matter' is that we are saying God does what no sane person would do by punishing unbelief and idolatry and then forgiving sins on automatic, saying Jesus died for the crimes you will commit tomorrow. This is leaving a toll on humanity. If we believe God is violent and cruel, then our society will be violent and cruel. Christian saints killed over 100k people in Europe during.the inquisition, accusing them of witchcraft and it continues still. To stop all that, we have to stop Christianity and islam

sonmvayina:
Many Nigerians are religious with zero knowledge of God/higher consciousness. Your beliefs don't make you righteous but your actions do. If you like believe that the moon is made of cheese or that a woman became pregnant without the input of a fertile man. It does not make you a good person. It only means you would believe anything no matter how absurd. What makes you good or bad is the actions and choices you make. That was why the laws were given as a guidance and as a lamp for our journey.
God has placed both good and evil in front of us, it is now left for us to make a choice and live with it or learn from it. Like I said earlier, the whole purpose is experience.....
So whether one Jesus died or 20 million Jesuses died, it does not have any benefit to you. Every one of us will die..it is God's judgement for man. It is your journey and life, there are no "get out of jail card"..you can either take responsibility for your life and make it worthwhile or join people every Sunday to shout "I receive"




Your choice.

Thank you very much.

sonmvayina:
Christianity has got nothing to do with Judaism..it is a Greek/Roman ideology.

I don't fully agree with you though because the Greeks and Romans were not fighting and killing for God like the Christians and Muslims. I agree that Christianity borrowed from Greeks and Romans in a bid to convert them. Christians were originally called Nazarenes after the origin of Jesus and Jesus was seen by his followers as a Jewish messiah though he said his own Jewish kingdom was in the hearts of men and avoided thus conflicts with Rome. The messiah status was substituted with Grecian Christ to form Christianity. The Christ in Greek is the perfect and blameless son of God while Messiah to the Jew was somebody to liberate Israel. There was no correlation originally but they have been merged into one by Christianity. The early Christians as a group were well behaved in Antioch and they were nicknamed Christians meaning little Christs. We can still say Judaism gave birth to Christianity because they somehow have the same us versus them attitude when it comes to spirituality which Greeks and Romans didn't have. The error was in preaching Jesus to Gentiles and Jesus himself would not have supported it. It was Paul's error. However the name of the son of Zeus the supreme deity of Greeks is Iesous Christ which was converted to Jesus Christ. The real name of the person executed by Jews that became the Christian God is Isa bin Pantheras.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly define Religion.

I understand your predicament. Many people lump all spiritualities together as religion but I don't, because not doing so makes my work easier and I am not the only one that do that. Religion is anti science because of its holy books that must not be peer reviewed while traditional spirituality is scientific because it has divination and etc. The word religion was coined rather recently and it was to define Christianity first then Islam. When something is scientific it has to be divorced from religion. The only two religions are Christianity and Islam while others are scientific. That.is the platform I stand on to fight my battle and all the time I have issues with people saying there are over five thousand religions.

Truthseeker10:
Are you claiming that traditional spirituality is not a religion?
Who is the God of traditional spiritualities?

It is just spirituality that has methodology and uses the scientific approach. They.have divination which can be taught to anybody while religion has holy book which must be believed. All cultures have their inbred traditional spirituality just like their language. They all use divination however simple. They are not religions. Religion is the opposite of science.
The God of traditional spirituality is definitely not the same as the jealous holy book God.

StillDtruth:
It is only an evil person deserving of great punishment who says that a Judge is a brute.

And no where did God Say that He shall punish a person for not believing. Rather that
He will render to each person according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And since God warned you not commit idolatry and you disobeyed, then you have only yourself to blame for the calamity that you have thrown yourself into

A secular judge here on Earth can not punish you for idolatry and unbelief, so why compare your religious God to a secular judge?. A secular judge does things based only on common sense. God is a just God and there is no reason to believe he is the brute religion is portraying him as.

I am surprised you don't know religionists threaten unbelievers with their God's hell fire. How I wish they leave unbelievers alone like you say