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Gabrielshow24:
You act as if there are not traditional rites👀 done by your spiritualities.

What will happen when your traditional god demands your children🤨.

There's no way you can put it, you will surely run into similar problems!!!

A well constituted chartered body of priests can not support human sacrifice especially of innocents

MaxInDHouse:
The same thing all religionists claims.

So talk about peaceful coexistence since it's the reason why you've been speaking against religion!

We need a code of conduct on Earth which every nation will adhere to. There have been decades long struggle to fashion out such a code of conduct. My own way is that every nation should depend their government on taxation as do the G7 nations with nobody working under the table anywhere on Earth and we will all have the same results as the G7 nations. Let every ethnic group control its land and decide if to be sovereign or to align it with others. Ethnic groups are individuals. I wrote a whole book on this issue and I sent it for publication. There should be market economy but rent should not be left to the free market to avoid what is now happening in high income countries where people pay up to 100 times what they should be paying on rent. Rent for a family of five should not exceed 500 dollars per annum in any country. There should be pension funds so that every worker can be an investor worker hybrid solving the class struggle. Governments should work under committees of legislators that can overrule the government on anything but the legislators should be elders above an age cut off and they should not be paid by government. They can be paid by their parties. I have many other submissions in my book. I call it a kind of free market communism where nobody is left behind. Once boundaries are recognized and there is a code of conduct that everyone adheres to, then there will be peace. It is not difficult

MaxInDHouse:
Well the spirituality in Christianity is to end WARS completely among those who are practicing the same spirituality!

End wars with senseless submissions that nobody with common sense will agree with?

MaxInDHouse:
So what is the usefulness of spiritualities if people are still killing people?

Remember you want to blame religion for the troubles but now you admitted that there was trouble before religion came.

So of what good is spirituality then if it's the same thing happens?

With spirituality, I am a more efficient human being. I use IFA to unearth secrets, to dig into anything and etc but to deal with fellow humans, I need common sense. Spirituality alone can not end wars. We have to come together as human beings to decide how we want to live together, set boundaries and respect it and etc, then wars will end. Religion on its own is just an additional reason outside territory expansion to fight wars. Read my last write up that I mentioned you in and realize what wonders spirituality can do

MaxinDHouse, wars can end but that has nothing to do with spirituality.

MaxInDHouse:
So what's the usefulness of spiritualities if they have to kill themselves despite their spirituality?

It is just to deal with the spirit world, liaise with ancestors, deities and God. Even in the spirit world, they have their own differences which they have ways of settling.

MaxInDHouse:
So what do cause wars between Africans before the white came?
Or do you want to tell me that there was no wars before the white came to Africa?

Land disputes, control of trade routes, markets and etc. Fighting over God became a thing only after the rise of Christianity.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you remember that the standards we all use are formed through what we agreed upon as morals?
So if we can't agree on morality yet the world is fast becoming a global village where one world power is ruling over the globe will there be clashes or not?

The whole world has no problems agreeing on morality. Laws are similar in most countries. What is there to not agree upon on morality?. As it is said 'You don't need religion to differentiate between right and wrong. If you can't do that, what you lack is empathy not religion'.

MaxInDHouse:
And you think there won't be clashes?

Like what can be the cause of the clashes?. Everybody is preaching morality and you all have your different chartered priesthoods.

MaxinDHouse. This is the part result of my research using IFA

MaxInDHouse:
So since they know how up to professor level, which one should set standards?

The chartered body of the priests of each spirituality should set their own standards

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ this is no longer the stone age the world is fast becoming a global village so which of the countless spiritualities should set the standard?

Some of these spiritualities have know how up to Professor level. They have centuries of accumulated know how. I don't support that anyone should go under. What I support is that their priests should have chartered bodies

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is impossible because there will be one problem:

Which standard is best when talking in terms of rulership?

You are thinking of each person talking to his God of course that is spirituality but then ask yourself between Ṣàngó, Ọbàtálá, Ọ̀ṣẹ̀rẹ̀màgbò, Ògún, Èṣù and the likes who should set the standard?

Remember this is just within a region not the whole country called "Nigeria" so if each person faces his or her own deity which is spirituality what of RULERSHIP?
How are we going to settle the case of dos and donts?

Nations have been existing like that for thousands of years without issues until religions came to try and bind them together by force. It is just like saying unity will not be possible unless we speak the same language. Issues started arising when Christianity became a thing. Before then no issues for the millennia of existence. Traditional spiritualities are the same thing expressed in different forms. There is a supreme deity and lesser deities and our ancestors in heaven help us. It is the same all over. Then they all have divination in different levels of advancement

MaxInDHouse:
This is the problem with FAKE RELIGION!

True religion should carry people along in all the earth!

Are you saying nations despite speaking different languages should not have differences in the way they approach the supernatural?. This is what religion intends to achieve but they end up breaking into different sects as a result of people interpreting the holy books differently

You, your spirit and IFA.

With IFA, there is no knowledge you can not access if your spirit is willing to assist you. You can access even knowledge that was known to extinct civilizations. You just need to know how to use IFA. However, your spirit acts like a sieve and it is not everything you ask for that it will give you. Also, everything is not immediately accessible to it too. It may need to liaise with other spirits or with the God grid. It can however easily get information for you that it experienced during past incarnations. The highest possible number of incarnations that a spirit has access to is only twenty four including the current one. However if there is a great need for an information on a deleted incarnation, then the leadership of your Earth family can get it reactivated for you and you will be able to access it.
Your spirit is the big you which the Yoruba call ori and if you avoid evil doing, it will continue to live forever from incarnation to incarnation. If you do evil for a high enough number of times depending on your current empathy rank, you will be knocked out of civilization to the animal realm and it will be the end. There are six empathy ranks.
You are just a food farm for your spirit. It is the number of years you spend on Earth buoyed with good deeds that will translate to time to be spent in heaven by your spirit. As you are here on Earth, you are also in heaven going about your business while tending to your farm but you will be light in heaven. A light spirit consumes only fifteen percent of the food of heavy spirits. You become heavy when you die and your appetite will go to one hundred percent. Half of the spirits in heaven are permanently light meaning they have never been incarnated before. Spirits give birth during debates and debates happen between people on Earth. They are violent confrontations. For example, most court cases get registered as debates. The gestation period is two years. The winner of a debate will rise in empathy rank and give birth to a light spirit which becomes an adult instantly while the loser will drop in empathy rank moving closer to extinction.
Spirits can talk through entranced human beings but the best way to liaise with your spirit is via divination of which IFA is a good one.

Kobojunkie:
You lied! There are not just over 7000 thousand spiritualities on the planet. The number for those is probably in the millions. Concluding that because that there are just over 7000 languages implies there should also exist the same number of Spiritualities is your ignorant mind deluding you into thinking everyone is as gullible as those in your immediate surroundings.

2. Yet another lie from you. You only support that which conveniently aligns with your particular delusion, same as other religionists are notorious for.

But where are the millions of spiritualities?. In Yoruba land here containing over 70 million people in Nigeria of the over 8 billion on Earth, we have only one traditional spirituality which is our isese, outside that, it remains the religions.
I indeed support all traditional spiritualities because they don't proselytize. I am surprised you are debating that since it should be obvious from my posts. I am against religion ie Christianity and Islam.

Kobojunkie:
Since groups are comprised of individuals, this is obviously wrong thinking. For example, the groups that comprise of atheists across the world — people who don't believe in any deity or traditions associated with them— obviously have cultures/customs that are detached from traditions/spirituality. 🙄🙄🙄

2. Bullsheet! Atheism— a lack of belief in a deity— exists in all beings before religion shows up much later. Why? Because humans are not born with a defacto belief.

3. Rather, tradition/religion is acquired over the course of one's life. In many cases, religion is noted as a response to many of the fears and anxieties experienced in the course of living one's life.

4. Your bias against other religions while pretending yours should be protected from the same scrutiny is noted.

5. Chartered bodies to counter the scam that is the entirety of religion/tradition?

There are over seven thousand traditional spiritualities on Earth corresponding to languages. I support all of them. I don't want any to be extinguished and I want them to be open to scrutiny. You are wrong to say I support only my spirituality. I support all but I am against religion. I am against Christianity and Islam. Get me right

Mrfeel:
Yoruba's got their name from the Fulanis

Illorin belongs to the Fulanis still ruled by the Fulanis right from the time the conquered it from afoñja till date

The present ruler of Ilorin is not from Balogun Fulani compound. He is from Balogun Gambari meaning Hausa but the compound is a mixture of Hausa, Nupe, Bariba and etc descent. The Yoruba in Ilorin have given the leadership of the city to the Balogun Gambari which is a mixed compound. The present Emir is not of Fulani descent. The Fulani descent people in Ilorin are the Belgores and etc. None of them is surnamed Gambari but onlookers dont understand. However all of them have married into and are now Yoruba. The Yoruba only entitled the children of Alimi that had Yoruba mothers. Just to educate readers

Mrfeel:
Well at least we didn't lose igboland like yoruba's lost illorin to Fulanis and we are not answering a name given to us like yoruba's answering Yoruba Fulani name .

The word Yoruba is of Islamic Malian origin and it appeared in the sixteenth century work of the Malian scholar Ahmed Baba. He was a Berber. That is the earliest known occurrence. Then Ilorin really can't be said to be lost to Fulani when the protection agreement with the British was signed by Balogun Ajikobi a Yoruba man and descendant of Alaafin Abiodun and the document still exists.

HeatSeeker:
You attacked Christianity and left out Islam, why?

Lawani what do you have to say about the opinion of the op?

He is obviously one of those mixing things up. He calls himself a Rabbi but acknowledges Jesus. He is an evangelical christian. No Rabbi acknowledges Jesus. I don't know what kind of evangelical christian acknowledges IFA. So he has to explain more by himself what he is

Kobojunkie:
You, not I, are the one who has been campaigning for a ban on religions. I am instead pointing out the extent to which you would need to go if your intentions are, in fact, to be taken seriously.

2. You folks and storytelling ehn! Castro and which Yoruba spirituality? Mao and what Buddhism? What the heck is with the shoddy attempt at rewriting history?

Are you saying Fidel Castro's Cuba did not support IFA?. The Awos even have a seat in the Cuban parliament today. Are you saying Chairman Mao was not a Buddhist?. Even North Korea is supporting Buddhism. You can cherry pick which practice to ban and which to support and you will still be in order. I hope you agree

Kobojunkie, your solution of ban all spiritualities was tested in the old USSR and see where they are today after years under communism, Whereas Fidel Castro in Cuba embraced Yoruba spirituality and Cuba is the better for it today. Chairman Mao in China too despite being a communist was a Buddhist and it worked for him and China. It is because those spiritualities are objective and scientific unlike religion.

Kobojunkie:
Seems more to me like you are conveniently avoiding confronting the reality of things to continue arguing in circles on this already finished issue.
I happen to have cultures of my own, but I don't hold any religious/traditional ideas. Many people who equally don't have beliefs in any deity— atheists in particular— also have this: a culture devoid of traditions.

I am not speaking of individuals but groups. As groups, all human cultures have spirituality and in the past, people restating that they don't believe in deities or spirits as you do today were rare. It became a thing with the rise of religions. Atheism became a thing with the rise of religions. It is a response to religion but there have never been an atheistic human culture. Your point is that all spiritualities are the same as Christianity and Islam but that is not true as traditional spiritualities use divination which is teachable in the scientific way. They also have no dogma and are not seeking converts. They have experts who work for people and get paid. I will agree however that they need regulation via chartered bodies to counter against quackery.

Kobojunkie:
⚉ First, there is a difference between culture/custom and tradition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PT29WBpLyM?si=LOZZ4gEpFdr0TmEV
⚉ Second, the traditions/religions of a people are considered a part of/an aspect of their culture/custom
⚉ Next, it is quite possible to have customs/culture without traditions.

You are dodging the question. Do you think there are or were human cultures who don't believe in the supernatural?. You can't be fighting against something as primordial as spirituality. It is religion that is new and it must end.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! They have changed their beliefs many times over the years, but they haven't always been there since every religion and movement has a beginning.

2. Culture is comprised of a broad range of aspects of a society, whereas tradition points to specific parts of any given culture. Tradition(religion) is where you address these spiritual parts of society. And research has revealed time and time again that tradition(religion) in every culture has a beginning and undergoes numerous changes over time, meaning not only are these traditional beliefs(religious ideals) detachable from the culture but also interchangeable.

3. There is no religion that is traced to the actions of Paul in his homeland of Judah back during the 1st century before his death before 70AD.

4. Indeed, tradition(religion) should be removed if possible from every society.

So you think or believe there were cultures that traditionally do not believe in the supernatural?

If Paul had restricted his preaching to Jews as did Jesus, there would be no religion today

Kobojunkie:
The very same issues you would have against any other religion are the same you would have against these traditional systems. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. The list of issues is the same for all religions. Albeight, some have faded in terms of their power in today's world, but all religions are pretty much employed by men in the exact same way. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Traditional spiritualities have always been there. You can't divorce spirituality from human culture. It is part and parcel of it. Religion is the problem and it started when Apostle Paul started preaching the doctrine of the Nazarene sect of Judaism to Gentiles. Religion is what should be removed from society

Kobojunkie:
A fight against religion that does not include a campaign against traditionalism is a fraud. Traditionalism is, after all, a form of religion.

Can you list what you have against traditional spirituality?. What do you have against Buddhism or Hinduism too?. The only problematic spiritualities are those that proselytizes. Only Christianity and Islam are the problems. How are you a problem if you are not condemning unbelievers to damnation?

delkuf:
it may be grossly immoral with you but with God that it is very moral. Don't you think it is even safer to know that your future is paid for.

You seem to think God is immoral and that is one problem with Christians. God is not like religionists describe him. Religion is a slander of God

delkuf:
why don't you agree with that. What about people that pays the future school fees of there children. If someone can pay the school fees of there children for there future don't you think God has the power too to pay for our future sins

But don't you think that is grossly immoral?. Telling people their future bank robberies, rapes and etc have been paid for?. It is not a good way to bring up kids. I hope you agree

delkuf:
1, with the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus our sins both past, present and future sins are forgiven but for it to remain like that we must do away from sin. How do we do away from sin? How can we though we have been saved but live in a wicked world full of sin. This is where God gave us his life and power to enable live in this sinful world free from sin and dominate sin.
2, no I don't agree that Christianity should be practiced in private. The moral fabric of the society during the time of Jesus was to crucify him. That is what the moral fabric in our society ought to be. We need to tell others that it is the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus that save us. Others need to know. So Christianity shouldn't be practice in private

You really believe it is cool to tell anyone their future sins have been died for?. I don't agree with you.

delkuf:
I need him. I can't do without him. My very existence depends on him. One pray I wish to pray every day is that every day of my life I should be looking at only Jesus. He is the center of everything

But I hope you accept that it is wrong to teach that God forgives past, present and future sins automatically?. Do you agree that Christianity should be practiced in private and that people should not be employed to spread it?. The moral fabric of the society is at risk due to the Jesus died for us rhetoric

MaxInDHouse:
An employee in public office differs from a politician, if you don't know the difference i will TEACH you.
Someone employed is not elected by the people it's qualification that got him the employment so there is nothing like tenor in such a job but a politician has tenor.
So an employee has no problem with Christianity but an appointee or elected person does!

Someone collecting taxes on behalf of Rome in Judea was even more than a politician because he was detested by Jewish nationalists. It was because Jesus claimed to be a Jewish nationalist (politician) that he was accused of hobnobbing with tax collectors by Jews