₦airaland Forum

KingPure:
When you're done spitting your delusional gibberish, maybe just maybe then you can at least check the population of Igbo and Yoruba to know who's who.

The belief by Igbos that their population is very large is a root cause of the problem Nigeria is facing. The average Igbo man believes Igbo is the number one by population in the country when they are infact a very distant third. Count anything and they are a distant third from professionals to academics to taxes to cities to billionaires and etc

The problem is caused by the fraudulent foundational census that Nigeria is based on.

Slippy:
Don't be dense pls.

If the Fulani/Hausa want to leave today, they will be gone by tomorrow.

Who will/can stop them?

If they have oil and others are relying on it then the remaining five zones will not want them to leave.

raumdeuter:
None yet because its not practical. We are not born equal and there will always be classes

Its like saying there should be schools where excellence is promoted but there shouldnt be exams or grades

People will work harder, some will the stronger, and they will be rewarded for it which will create a different class

You can be of means. My two classes are worker and investor. You can be a cripple and be a HNI and a PhD. The average sixty year old can be a PhD with twenty published works while being a Director in at least a small company. A society like that is a classless society. It is not about being the most beautiful and etc but by becoming a person of value and means as you age.

There is no big deal in becoming a person of economic means. Just save and invest and be careful but many don't. Government can force everybody to and I wonder why you say it is not realistic

Everybody can have basic education is the right analogy not having schools without having exams

raumdeuter:
That is Utopian, Give an example of a real world example of this

Is there anywhere in the world where all workers are statutorily obliged to be investors? Where you must grow financially whether you like it or not?
None yet and that is the purpose of my op.

WizardOfNG:
Classism is not an issue in a society where leaders, especially political, have made the effort to keep all citizens, within reason, happy and fulfilled regardless of their social class.

I've lived in the UK most of my life and the people who talk as you do are those activist overly obsessed with insisting the British monarchy is somehow evil because it is generationally wealthy and privileged.

Whereas most Britons don't mind them, with many actually even fans of the monarchy, because they too, and to a reasonable extent, can have more modest versions of what the royals and wealthiest in society have.

Like the ability to buy a comfortable home with a 25 year mortgage, live well, eat well, go on family holidays twice a year, have a brand new car every three years on lease plan because of good credit, buy two of the same 65" OLED TV King Charles uses per good credit etc, etc.

Most modern nations have long accepted that class divisions happen naturally to then identify that the key to keeping all as happy as possible is to ensure citizens, in whatever class they find themselves, have fulfilled lives and are not disenfranchised or discriminated against.

Nations that can achieve that don't have to worry about class division which are not really formal or distinctly pronounced anymore, as things were in the age that led to the French revolution, with many today being able to transcend class barriers even if they begun as slaves, to become almost royalty. I.e Cicely Tyson.

Societies simply need to strive to work well for every inhabitant as best as possible.

Although I can see your disdain for classism if applied to Nigeria where the wealthy and privileged go out of their way to ensure society is discriminatory and not as meritocratic as she needs to be so that all below them are never empowered and they alone have lives of opulence, privilege and opportunities.

In a society of high HDI, accessible opportunities, no homelessness, guaranteed income and etc, classism will not be much of an issue as they are almost there but I believe the average second tier city in Nigeria has less homelessness per Capita than many European cities because rent is cheap and you can't have a job and be homeless, you can hardly be homeless

European countries have money to spend because they have a high tax to GDP ratio hence they solve more problems for their people. The main thing they need to add is just pensions fund to grow people's net worth and a guaranteed means of livelihood to replace unemployment benefits.

Europe is struggling too and many citizens are complaining that they are being left behind despite that they are the leaders.

raumdeuter:
Is there anything realistically like a classless society? Human being are not born equal, Some are smarter, taller, faster, more beautiful etc than others So there will be a different class of smarter, taller, faster richer etc

Even in old times, there was a special respect and class for the stronger warriors, the priests, the beautiful ones

Yes there can be a classless society where HDI is top notch, opportunity open to all and poverty almost none existent, no downtrodden people. There are societies where people are stuck in whatever situation they find themselves. That is a society of class or caste

AntiChristian:
It is clear that you are the liar. Worship includes intent and action. If one is absent then that is not worship! What does the Muslim do at the Kaaba that gives you the idea of worship?

Narrated `Abis bin Rabi`a: `Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kissing you I would not have kissed you." Sahih Bukhari 1597

Umar (Radiyallahu anhu) was the second Caliph after the Prophet Salallahu alayhi wasalam!

Do people at the shrine kiss their gods? Are our wives our gods too as we kiss them? You are suffering from that Galatians 3:1 ailment.

They do at the Kaaba what idolators had been doing at the Kaaba centuries before Mohammed came around. You just don't think it is idolatry because you have been programmed that way. It is okay.

Are our parents deities that we bow down to them?

WizardOfNG:
@OP.

Personally, I feel there is no place for communism in todays world. What you tout as unique benefits of communism can be covered under the ideas of socio-capitalism.

Absolute and purist communism jars with the nature and instinct of man in my opinion.

Well what is in a name? A rose by any other name will smell as sweet.

But what if it ends classism in the society? What if it solves the very problem of class that Karl Marx and Co were worried about?

The right tag for the economic system in my opinion is Free market communism

raumdeuter:
Communism is against Human nature this is why it fails, Human beings need a sense of purpose and thee purpose usually comes from ownership of things like asset

Communism is idealism and not baked in reality

Communism is not about stopping people from owning things. That is a distraction. It is about creating a classless society

ariesbull:
No more Islamic origin now Yoruba is Europa origin


LoL

This isn ridiculous

What is the meaning of the word YORUBA?

what is the etymology of the word YORUBA

.Faani Kayode said the meaning as a Yoruba man


Tell me a town in Yoruba that has Yoruba prefix or suffix or someone that bears YORUBA as a surname if it is something to be proud of


At least the Hausa have people bear the name
Dan Kano
Dan Hausawa

The Igbo are proud to bear their name
Igbo-kwe
Igbo-ga Adi
Igbo anugo
Etc ...

And towns that bear Igbo name
Igbo Ukwu .... Anambra State
Igbuzor .... Delta State
Akwukuw Igbo ... Delta
Igbo Etiti .... Enugu
Ama Igbo .... Imo state... The village if King Jaja
Obigbo .... Rivers State


And these names have meaning and noble meaning in Igbo same with Hausa own

Show me one town or one man bearing YORUBA as a name of suffix

To show that they are proud of that name

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Yoruba did not name themselves Yoruba. Europe did not name themselves Europe. Germans don't call their country Germany. They are just appellations that stuck overtime. I have already explained why I think Yoruba is Europa is Europe. That is my own thesis based on the fact the first known use was by Ahmed Baba an Islamic scholar at the University in Timbuktu.
Bring forward an alternative theory or explanation maybe it will make more sense. Not that Hausa gave the name because the Hausa traditional name for Yoruba remains Beerebe and that predates Islam. Yoruba is not a Yoruba word just a name that have stuck on them. You can't find it in our history.

What does Ndigbo means?
It means literally everybody
When Ndi Enugu meets Ndi Owerri meets Ndi Onitsha and etc the gathering becomes Ndigbo. Gbo kwenu! means Greetings to everybody! The name Onuigbo means mouthpiece of all. Some people say Ndigbo means ancient people but that's obviously wrong. It means originally everybody. So that is an analysis I have done for Igbo people without asking for money. Igbo place names isn't the same thing as the Gbo in Ndigbo. The gbo in Ndigbo has a cognate in Yoruba which is Gbogbo or Gbo that means all. It is in everyday use

AntiChristian:
Can you show where you got that from my comment? Seems you need a recommended spectacle! Samson was violent everytime the holy spirit enter him. That's in the Bible used by the same Jews and Christians. Violence or more appropriately terrrorism is not in Islam and not an Islamic trait. I see no correlation between this and what is being discussed here!

So worshipping the sun is different from worshipping the creator! So remove your lies that Akhenaten is a Prophet in Islam. That's false! And the stone is a creation of Allah as no one worships the stone but Allah! If Kissing a stone is worship, then what about your wife?

No one bowed down to anything in Egypt. No sun worship but can we say what Muslims do at the Kaaba is not Kaaba worship? Killing for the Quran is not Quran worship? It is not different from what people do at any shrine and the practice predated Islam. Or are you saying those who worshipped and kissed the Kaaba before Mohammed was born were not idolators? Then you are just making up your own facts.

Is the abolition of private property the aim of communism?

When a battle has become longstanding then the gladiators may not remember what actually caused it

This was the IFA cast for the communists that focussed on the abolition of private property instead of the eradication of class in the society.

The stated aim of communism ab initio was to create a classless society. The path to that end is what is contentious. The people who failed at communism wanted to get there by abolishing private property and the free market.

However no society has ever succeeded or will ever succeed in abolishing any of the two. You can't ban people from owning personal things and there is no country where petty buying and selling is not going on. You can prevent them from scaling up. Yes but you can not ban petty trading in any country entirely. All so called communist or socialist countries have small scale capitalists.

Karl Marx and co divided the society into several classes including peasants, proletariat, bourgeoisie and capitalist but the division can just be into two broad classes which are investor and worker. If all human beings are by statute a worker-investor hybrid than there can be a classless society. You will have to pay tax as a citizen, save into an investment fund of your choice and thereby grow in net worth as you age whether you like it or not and you will also be well educated and even be publishing in journals and such a society will be essentially classless. Old poor people will be rare if not totally non existent and people's status will be enhanced on average overtime other things being equal.

In Nigeria already there is a pension law that mandates people to save into a pension fund and many after some years have enough to build a small mansion. The percentage is eighteen percent of income contributed by employee and employer.

It is therefore possible to achieve communism via a free market economy path as against the path of the abolition of private property that have failed.

Communism ie a no one left behind system with no caste or class should still be the aim of humanity. It does not stop people from becoming multi billionaires but it can stop people from becoming wretched.

kentokay71:
l doubt this, the igbo men do not go to school, it is the women that are reading

I am surprised it did not show in the stats. I have seen it expressed in NECO stats and I know boys who didn't finish secondary school because of Nwaboi. However most can at least read and write and are therefore literate. The stats is wrong because of the huge discrepancy between male and female as if females are not human beings

How come there is a marked discrepancy among male and female especially among Yoruba? Are Yoruba sending their sons to school and not the daughters? Or the daughters and not the sons? Are the daughters less intelligent and etc? This does not happen among the Yoruba and Yoruba that are not literate exist but are less than 0.5 percent of the population. Children are not treated differently at least among the Yoruba, so how come the discrepancy?

ariesbull:
Let's get it straight Egun aren't Yoruba period !

Okun aren't Yoruba period

The word Yoruba isn't any Europa origin and it doesn't have any meaning in Yoruba language ...that's why many don't want to be called YORUBA From many Ijebu I know to Kabba and Okun





Now as of Ijebu ... They

It is a simple academic exercise
Yoruba as a word is of Islamic origin as the earliest known use of the word is in Ahmed Baba"s 15th century work. A published work. Ahmed Berber was a Berber a man who could be called Yoruba himself if not that he was a Muslim. The Hausa call the Yoruba Beerebe meaning Berber. They still do so today so the word Yoruba is not their invention. Ahmed Baba said only non believers like the Yoruba and others can be sold as slaves.
The word is of Arabic origin and Arabic came from Phoenician and a quick Google search will tell you the Phoenicians called Europe Europa. Phoenician is proto Arabic. Europa is Yoruba just the same way Ibrahim is Abraham, Isa is Joshua and Nimrod is Lamurudu.
Europa used to mean west of Phoenicia and the people there were unbelievers that lived in cities. The word came to mean just civilized unbelievers and they brought it to west Africa like that via Islam. I think it is a straightforward brain exercise.

Egun are not linguistically Yoruba. Yes. Esan are not linguistically Yoruba but I read somewhere they are the most similar to Yoruba by DNA in the country even more than some Yoruboid groups. So language does not determine everything. There are however Yoruba indigenes of Badagry who speak both Yoruba and Egun. I have met them.

ariesbull:
There kings can anything but it is left for the individuals to define themselves and the ones I have seen say they aren't Yoruba


Tomorrow you say Badagry people of Ogun are Yoruba !

What is the meaning of YORUBA ...let's start with the definition of the name

I know you don't know the meaning

No. Children don't independently determine their origin outside their parents
In Badagry are Egun people and some Yoruba but the land is primarily Egun and Egun are different from Yoruba only in language as they have been together for centuries. They are a Gbe people and Gbe people also believe in Ife stories. They have ancient Ifes on their land up to Ghana like Mawufe and Amadzofe.

The word Yoruba is from Europa as someone pointed out and it is originally Phoenician meaning west. It came to mean people who did not submit to Islam as Europe never submitted to Islam and it was brought to west Africa by Muslims who used it to describe the Oyo to the south of Mali because they wouldn't submit to Islam even after the Hausa and Kanuri had already submitted. The Yoruba had bigger cities and they did not submit. That is the meaning of the name. It came to mean thugs that live towards the south

ariesbull:
I know Seun and Tunde from Kabba and they have told me clearly that they aren't Yoruba

I know one morenike from Ijebu also that said they aren't Yoruba but only Ijebu and they don't believe in Oduduwa stuff


Deal with it sir

Bearing Yoruba name doesn't make you a Yoruba

Are their kings also saying their land will not be a part of a Yoruba country? I have never met any Kaaba person in that category. If Ijebu say they are from Wadai. What they are saying is they are from Ife Woodaye that existed before the current Ife which is Ife Ooyelagbo. Wadai is still regarded as connected with the Yoruba by historians. Do you think any Yoruba group will want to opt out of a Yoruba nation? Like some Igbos are saying they won't be part of Biafra? There is none. So that is why I say the problem Igbos have does not exist for the Yoruba and there is no need to be projecting it on them. Rather find ways to solve the problem Igbos have. Yoruba too have their own problems.

ariesbull:
But the fact remains that we don't have Yoriba in Kogi ... The Fulani guy is right

The problems Igbos have and the problems Yoruba have are not the same. There are no people bearing Yoruba names who are from Yoruba communities but are saying they came from Kano or Owerri. Point to one. No need to project the problem you have on to others because you think everybody should have the same problems

A culture without it's spirituality?

There is no culture without its own spirituality. A culture without spirituality is like a human being without the five senses functioning. The person will be an im becile or an invalid.

God founded all cultures and they came complete with spirituality along with language and etc after which it will continue developing on its own.

Among the people of every culture can be people that can be called monotheists. They will not be given to fetishism. Every culture have them.

If you want to be a monotheist, it is better to find accomodation for it inside the spirituality of your own culture. There must be allowance for it there. It should be illegal in any country to mass together to face a foreign capital to pray. It amounts to undermining the sovereignty of your own country. Your capital and not any foreign capital is your holy city if you need one. The whole world is our holy land.

Brush up your spirituality as a nation and create a Bachelor of Arts degree in it so that there can be spiritual tranquility on Earth the way it was before religion was invented.

QuinQQ:
See below. Money is NOT created through printing. Money is debt, albeit transferable debt.
What Central Bank prints are physical IOU's representing debt (money). Anyone who has the power to issue transferable debt without actually giving you anything, has the power to create money.

Nobody is depositing metal to central banks anymore before they issue currency to them and that is why it is called Fiat currency. It is not backed with anything. It is not IOU anymore but it used to be. Nowadays it is just a liquidity facility. It isn't an IOU. The value of a fiat currency can go down by ninety percent overnight. So is it an IOU when it can be devalued overnight? No.

Commercial banks however can't devalue currency by issuing new ones. They are restricted to taking deposits and giving loans.

A commercial bank manager will go to prison if deposits is not equal to loans plus balance

DMerciful:
You can choose to be clever by half. It seems to you guys that Southern Nigeria means Yorubas only

There is no southern Nigeria. There are ethnic interests and religious interests etc. When are you going to wake up? There has never been a southern Nigerian front in Nigerian politics. You better wake up.

AntiChristian:
The definition of Prophet and messengers in Islam is a little bit deep. A Prophet is one whom the creator sends to a believing people while a messenger is sent to a disbelieving people. Note that all messengers are Prophets but not vice versa. Many Prophets like Adam were never sent to the disbelieving people as there was no idolatry during his time. Adam (peace be upon him) was the first of the Prophets, as it says in the Hadith narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about Adam – was he a Prophet? He said, “Yes, a Prophet to whom Allah spoke.” But he was not a Messenger, because of the Hadith about intercession in which it says that the people will go to Nuh (Noah) (peace be upon him) and say to him, “You are the first Messenger whom Allah sent to the earth.”

This text clearly indicates that Nuh (Noah) (peace be upon him) was the first of the Messengers. And Allah knows best.”

As regards Abraham, it is very clear from the Qur'an that he strongly preached against Idolatry and went against his father and people. He was eventually capture when he destroyed their idols and they tried to burn him alive but Allah saved him.

Abraham is explicitly described in the Qur'an as rejecting idolatry and calling his people to worship Allah alone. For example:
"And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, 'Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error.'" (Qur'an 6:74)
And:
"Indeed, Abraham was a [comprehensive] leader, devoutly obedient to Allah, inclining toward truth, and he was not of those who associate others with Allah." (Qur'an 16:120)



Why Akhenaten Is Not Considered a Prophet of Islam in Islamic Theology:
Worship of the Creator, Not Creation:
Islam teaches worship of Allah, the uncreated Creator, who is beyond all physical forms. Akhenaten’s worship focused on the sun, a created entity, which differs fundamentally from Islamic monotheism (Tawhid).

Divine Revelation and Prophethood:
Prophethood in Islam requires receiving divine revelation from Allah and conveying His message to humanity. There is no historical or scriptural evidence that Akhenaten claimed or received such revelation.

Purpose of Prophethood:
Prophets in Islam guide people not only to monotheism but also to moral, spiritual, and social laws revealed by Allah. Akhenaten’s reforms were political and religious but lack the comprehensive divine guidance characteristic of Islamic prophets.

Islamic View of Prophets:
Islam recognizes a line of prophets starting with Adam and culminating in Muhammad (peace be upon them all). These prophets share a consistent message of worshipping Allah alone, supported by revealed scriptures and miracles.

In summary, while Akhenaten’s monotheistic reforms are historically notable, they do not meet the criteria of Islamic prophethood, which includes divine revelation, worship of the uncreated God, and comprehensive guidance for humanity.



Once again, in Islamic theology, the term "Muslim" means one who submits to the will of Allah and follows the monotheistic message brought by the prophets. Importantly, Islam views all prophets, including those of Judaism, as part of the same prophetic tradition preaching submission to the one true God (Allah). Therefore, the prophets of Judaism are considered prophets of Islam in the broader sense because they called their people to worship Allah alone.

Why Jews and Their Prophets Are Considered Part of the Islamic Prophetic Tradition:
Unity of the Prophetic Message:
The Qur’an emphasizes that all prophets preached the same fundamental message of monotheism and submission to Allah. For example:
"And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], 'Worship Allah and avoid Taghut (false gods).'" (Qur’an 16:36)

Prophets of Judaism Are Recognized in Islam:
Prophets like Moses (Musa), David (Dawud), Solomon (Sulaiman), and others are highly respected in Islam and are considered true prophets who submitted to Allah’s will.

Difference in Practice, Not in Faith:
While Judaism as a community may not actively proselytize or accept Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger, this does not negate their prophets’ status as Muslims in the sense of submission to Allah.

Islam Completes the Message:
Islam teaches that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the final prophet who came to complete and perfect the message. Those who follow him are called Muslims in the specific, final sense.

Summary
Ancient and modern Jewish prophets are considered part of the Islamic prophetic tradition because they preached submission to Allah.
The term "Muslim" in Islam includes all who submit to Allah, including earlier prophets.
The Jewish community’s different practices and beliefs do not exclude their prophets from being Muslims in the broader theological sense.
Islam views itself as the final and complete message, with Prophet Muhammad as the last messenger.

But i do agree with you that modern Jews or Christains who do not believe in the last Prophet Muhammad or Jesus are not Muslims.

Ok Thanks for agreeing that those who submit to Allah without disturbing others or becoming violent are not Muslims. That is fair enough.

The Egyptians did not worship the sun really but they managed to convince the Pharaoh to accept the sun as representative of the force. I think that is still milder than going to kiss the Kaaba in Mecca every year or elevating the Quran to something to kill people over. I mean if I buy my own Quran with my own money and burn it, I will be attacked by Muslims. If that isn't idolatry, what is?

Obi Kwankwanso can only win if the core North votes massively for it.
Even if the ticket wins, what about a peaceful handing over?
If a civil war is started in the SW, can anybody contain it? Boko Haram has been on for over a decade.
The solution is to divide the country.

Fearyourcreator:
It's still not 50/50 , if man is bouyant is takes the full responsibility, but women dont

No real woman will refuse picking the bills if something untowards happens. Marriage is for better for worse. Your husband can die and leave you ten children to take care of. He can lose his job or business. Having money today is no guarantee you will have it tomorrow. Both parties need income and any party can end up depending on the other at any point

TheStoriesOfMan:
Shari'a can be done in the following Nigerian regions: NE, NW, NC and SW.

Don't try it in SE and SS, especially SE.

I won't tell you what will happen, but I'll guarantee you that the results won't be a palatable one.

Sharia is possible only in twelve states and not all of Kaduna. That is the limit. 11.5 states

mikeapollo:
Yes, the US can easily pay off its debts
Reason: the debts are denominated and accounted for in US dollars, which is the currency of the US. So the US can literally print the dollars to pay off its debts.
The worst possible implication would be inflation, which is why they may choose not to do so

The US may not want to follow that path. Though most countries do it.

AntiChristian:
1. Understanding the Concept of "Prophet of Islam"
In Islamic theology, Islam is understood as the submission to the one true God (Allah), and this submission has been the core message of all prophets sent by Allah throughout history. Islam is not seen as a new religion starting with Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), but rather as the original and eternal faith of all prophets, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them all).

All Prophets Are Muslims:
The Qur’an states that all prophets preached the message of monotheism and submission to Allah, which is the essence of Islam. For example, Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) is called a "Hanif" (pure monotheist) and a Muslim in the Qur’an (Surah Al-Imran 3:67).
Therefore, prophets before Muhammad are considered Muslims in the sense that they submitted to Allah’s will and called their people to worship Him alone.

2. On Akhenaten as the "First Prophet of Islam"
Akhenaten’s Monotheism:
Akhenaten, the Egyptian Pharaoh, is historically noted for promoting the worship of Aten, the sun disk, and suppressing the traditional polytheistic Egyptian religion. This is often described as a form of monotheism or henotheism.

Differences from Islamic Monotheism:
However, Akhenaten’s worship of Aten was centered on a created entity (the sun), not the Creator God as understood in Islam. Islamic monotheism (Tawhid) emphasizes worship of the uncreated, eternal God (Allah) alone, who is beyond creation and not represented by any physical form.

Prophethood in Islam:
Prophethood in Islam is not merely about enforcing monotheism but also about receiving divine revelation, conveying Allah’s message, and guiding humanity according to Allah’s commands. There is no evidence that Akhenaten claimed to be a prophet or received divine revelation in the Islamic sense.

3. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
Judaism and Islam:
Judaism is a monotheistic faith that worships the same one God as Islam, and its prophets are considered part of the prophetic tradition in Islam. The difference is that Islam views Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger who completed and perfected the message.

Proselytization:
While Judaism traditionally does not actively proselytize, Islam emphasizes calling others to the faith (Da’wah). This difference in practice does not negate the monotheistic faith of earlier prophets.

Christianity and the Trinity:
Islam rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, emphasizing the absolute oneness of God. Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad was sent to correct misunderstandings and restore pure monotheism.

4. Conclusion
1. The first prophet of Islam in the Islamic sense is Adam, the first human and prophet, who submitted to Allah’s will. All prophets who followed, including Moses and Jesus, preached Islam as submission to one God.

2. Akhenaten’s religious reforms are historically significant but do not align with Islamic theology of prophethood or monotheism as worship of the Creator God.

3. Islam views itself as the continuation and completion of the monotheistic faith revealed to all prophets, culminating in the final message brought by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Can Someone with no holy book and who never told anybody that idolatry is wrong be called a Muslim? Do you have proof that Adam, Abraham and etc ever told anyone to not worship idols? Bring the proof.


On Akhenaten

The sun was his Kaaba. The man actually banned idolators and ran them out of town and you are saying he is not a prophet of Islam? You must be joking!

Then Jews whether ancient or modern are not Muslims. They keep to themselves and don't claim to know it all. How can they be Muslims? They are not. They were not and their prophets were not

QuinQQ:
Of course Commercial banks create money all the time. If you deposit $10 in a bank. They'll keep $1and lend out $9 - they just created $9.

Commercial banking is a brokerage. If you have excess money to lend people, they will take it from you and pay you, if you need money for anything you go to them, they give you the money and charge you and etc

Central banks determine the volume of money in circulation. They are the one creating money and not commercial banks. They print money that must be accepted by anybody in their jurisdiction and commercial banks can't do that

QuinQQ:
Banks don't pay you anything. They give you an IOU (that's ALL paper money is - it's an IOU from the bank acknowledging they owe you whatever is written on the money).
Just like paper money (which is debt), US debt is is also exchanged between buyers and sellers, and there are always people willing to take them (just like money).

That only applies to central banks that produce money. Commercial banks don't produce money. Commercial banks only manage money

fineboynl:
if they cut spending they can use long-term to sort that out.

the military complex maintenance is too high. and too much fraud and over price equipment,

Yes that is exactly what I am saying

QuinQQ:
They don't have to and they never will - for same reason the bank will never pay you the value (gold) of the IOU (paper money) in your pocket - because there's always another person willing to take the IOU

If they are paying down the debt and creditors are bringing more which will probably happen, it only means interest rates will drop and the debt will become even easier to pay off.

Banks will pay you whatever is in your account and commercial banks don't determine inflation rates

The data can't be accurate as Lagos must have double what Oyo has.