₦airaland Forum

anonimi:
Who do you think Jagaban of Borgu has set up for him in the destination japa party, like Utomi was used for his 2023 decamping to the communist LP labourers' camp?

It's quite interesting that party-hopping Utomi first asked Nigerians for the job of president under ADC.

If no Obi and it was between Tinubu and Atiku. The dynamics would change. Igbos might vote for Atiku but not Yoruba Christians, southern Christians and Northern Christians and Tinubu would still pull weight among Northern Muslims. It is not a simple addition of opposition votes or do you think all Obi voters would have lined up behind Atiku? Not possible

gidgiddy:
Well your state will never boast anywhere on the level of Onitsha even if they are given 50 years and all the IGR in the world. Claiming Lagos that was capital of Nigeria for 80 years is not development. Onitsha has never been capital of anywhere, not even state capital

Lagos was only capital of Nigeria from 1960 to the 1990s. Whatever happened in Lagos before 1960 was because of Lagos and not because of Nigeria or are you among the policy makers or among the Awos that cast IFA for the city? Lagos was capital for thirty years. Presently now who is owing each other between FG and Lagos? Remember that they make money in Lagos ports without paying Lagos at all when we all know some countries depend on port revenue just like some depend on oil. The FG is owing Lagos

Then all states have their strong points and Anambra is miles behind Oyo in VAT payment which means VAT related economic activities in Oyo is much greater than in Anambra. That is a metric too and not only storey buildings. Agric is more developed in Oyo than Anambra. Oyo is more populated than Anambra and etc. Apart from storey building what metrics brought you to the conclusion that in fifty years a state with high IGR can not measure up to Anambra. On a per Capita basis, Osun has more hotels and SMEs than Anambra. Osun has more absolute number of SMEs and more hotels per capita. The information is online. Only that Anambra's urbanisation is more concentrated. No city in Osun has as many banks as Onitsha or Awka but Osun has more urban centers in total

potland:
which Religion is correct

Religion was created by over zealous human beings. It is the opposite of science. When you have books that can't be peer reviewed and beliefs that must not be questioned as well as super human people then you have religion. Other things are science. All traditional spiritualities that don't claim the monopoly of truth is science. They listen to themselves and learn from each other and they don't describe God as a mad man who is burning people in hell for unbelief. There is no true religion and the only thing acceptable is science

simpleseyi:
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Ilorin indegenes have over the decades insisted that they are Fulanis, so let them enjoy their family party. However, they should be holding their parties in the Mosques with their Muslim brothers and not at Churches.


Least you don’t know, I am a Muslim and my grandmother is of the Alimi family of Ilorin. I go to Ilorin at least once in a quarter and spend at least one week at every visit.

There is a compound allocated for Fulani in Ilorin and another allocated for a combination of Hausa, Nupe etc. I don't think the two compounds make up to ten percent of indigenes then this arrangement exists in all Yoruba cities. It exists even in Kano where some indigenes have Yoruba ancestry but are Hausa. The Emir of Ilorin is from the compound allocated to Hausa and etc and not from the Fulani compound

WizardOfNG:
Well-done to the young lady. Eliti used to be the citadel of higher institution excellence with it's reputation for having more PHD holders than all other States in the SW. Not sure that is still valid today though

Of course not. The whole population of Ekiti is not up to the population of Ibadan. I doubt if there was anytime Ekiti had more PhDs than Oyo state

Kobojunkie:
Why are even the most learned among Nigerians some of the most ignorant? I can't seem to wrap my head around this. 😒😒😒

Not trying to hold brief for any religion but want to understand exactly how did this man come away concluding that the traditional orisa worship we have in Yoruba land is less associated with violence? is he suggesting we turn a blind eye to the violence of money rituals or ritual murders for example? 😒😒

I happen to have read somewhere that he is or was a cultist and we all know it is associated with traditional worship ideas. Are cults equally less violent? 😒😒''

2. He is free to believe in whatever he chooses; but he does not have freedom to make up his own facts, abeg. To this day, we don't know whether much of the kidnapping happening across Nigeria is connected to orisa worship or not but the pattern seems to follow in many cases.😒

Yes you can use nuclear energy for war or prosperity. All know how is like that. Your character is what is important. You can use spiritual energy for anything conceivable both good and bad. However religion (Christianity and Islam) spread harmful beliefs and conclusions about God which makes people fight and kill each other over God. This is a new thing that we have never seen before on Earth and it needs to stop. Do you know any other group describing God as a mad man burning people in hell for unbelief apart from Christians and Muslims?

Atheism just like religion is alien to human culture. No recorded atheism movement before the advent of Christianity. Atheism is a response to religion. None of our ancestors were atheists because there was no religion. Prof Soyinka is now saying he accepts the traditional way but he is an atheist!. That is a contradiction. No ancient Yoruba person was an atheist. Why will you be an atheist when there is sufficient proof of the spirit world?

Atheism is only a response to people describing God as a mad man who is burning people in hell for unbelief. No right thinking person will accept that definition of God and that gave rise to atheism for those who had nothing to fall back on

erniok:
So he's no longer presumed innocent until it's proved otherwise. He is guilty simple.
Hey everyone, the smartest guy in the block is around.

Abraham saw nothing wrong in human rituals

If you buy the primaries can you buy the general elections? If it is money required to win the primaries then let every candidate go and find money but it is not really money at such a level. The only Presidential primary that was won by the richest person was SDP's primary where MKO won and we all know it was not only money that worked for MKO. Ethnicity, influence and religion also worked for him.
If Gani Fawehinmi had joined the PDP, he could have won the primaries

erniok:
So let's assume that he didnt see anything wrong with stealing but didn't steal even when he had means and opportunity, you'd still label him a thief right?

It would be fair to believe such a person is a thief pending evidence to the contrary

MEGAWATCH:
You hate Igbo blood period and you and your God knows what I'm saying but like before, Hypocrisy mentality will never allow you.

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Your children are incarnates of your ancestors and they come mainly from the paternal line. Maternal line only possible via concessions in heaven. You can also as an individual go under any line by adopting them. If you keep saying someone is your ancestor then that person can incarnate in your kids if he or she sees you as worthy. That is how it works according to my research using Ifa. A white man whose great grandfather is Yoruba can have all past incarnation as Yoruba and vice versa. We are spirits wearing DNA as body. We are not DNA.

erniok:
So you now define say a thief as someone who has the means and opportunity to steal but didn't do it. Who are you guys teachers these days. They are doing a really terrible job.

A thief does not see anything wrong with stealing just like a human ritualist does not see anything wrong with killing human beings for rituals or for God

The Odus of Ifa that birthed Ijesa and Ibadan

Since the 256 signs of Orunmila became popular in Yoruba land thousands of years ago, most people will not take any major step in life without seeking guidance and clarification from Awos of Orunmila. Be it marriage, start of a business, journey, establishment of a city and etc. I once read a British writer say the common way of rejecting a marriage proposal in Yoruba land was by saying the Ifa reading was not satisfactory or not good enough.

When a city is to be founded, the stakeholders will pick a date to determine the ODU that birthed the city which will determine the destiny of the city or the trajectory of it's life. They will give enough time for the irunmales in heaven to prepare. When the ODU is determined for the city, the stakeholders will then provide all the ritual items needed for the ebo.

The ODU that birthed Ibadan

It was Ose meji that birthed Ibadan which is why the ODU is also called Ose Olubadan. OSE meji means victory in all it's ramifications. A city birthed by Ose meji will always have its way. It will not align with a side destined to lose during a war nor will it start a war it can not win. The people will prosper. It is not destined to be a village. It will be a big city. This played out in the history of Ibadan. Ibadan was a village established by people led by Lagelu from Ife originally. Ose meji birthed it, so how would a village become a city?. Oyo Ile was disbanded as a result of war and the refugees turned Ibadan into a city and it became the defacto capital of the Oyo empire within decades. Ibadan was never at variance with the British as were the Ijebu. They opened up their city for trade and aligned with the British to force open the Ijebu country. They remained aligned with Britain until the British came to end the civil war at Igbajo after invitation. The British never at any time had the plan to take Ibadan by force because Ibadan was birthed by Ose meji.

Ose Olubadan says

Idandan ni atupa ile
A difa fun won lode ilu nla
Nibi won ngbe bi olu lomo
Ebo ni won ni ki won se.
Won gbebo won rubo
Ero Po Ero Offa!
E wa gbe omo olu gesin gogo!

Translation

Idandan is the lamp of the Earth
This was the ifa cast for them at the big city
Where illustrious sons are birthed
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
Up up the prince on the royal stallion!

The Odu that birthed Ijesa

It was Iwori Irosun that birthed Ijesa and this is why the odu is also called Iwori Ijesa or Iwori Warawara. It implies big vision, big plans, big projections, plans because of the advantages you have and etc. Many plans at the same time and etc. Somebody planning to send his kids to elite schools is Iwori Ijesa and etc. Somebody having a plan to be a doctor, lawyer, architect and nuclear physicist all at the same time is under this odu.

Iwori Ijesa says

Esikanri Moba
Iwo!
Oro ni mo gbe
Ijesa!
Okansoso isooro
Ohun ni ki je ki aye oloro o baje
Ohun loro bi
O so Loro
Gbogbo e gbogbo e loro Loro
A difa fun Aluko do do do
Ti nse omo olododo ikefun
Won ni korubo
O gbebo o rubo
Nje bi NBA seyi tan
NGO tun se imin si
Omo isooro kan kii ku soro

Translation

Esikanrin Moba
Iwo
I align with doing rites
Ijesa
One particular rite that was done
Is why the life of the rites master goes on smoothly
He was born by rites
Also named with rites
Everything about him is rites, rites and rites
This was the IFA cast for Aluko do do do
Who was the son of the righteous man of Ikefun
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
See! When I finish doing this particular rite, I will start another one!
A rites master will never be the victim of the rite!

I don't really know the meaning of Esikanrin Moba though I think it is comparing an attribute of the traditional state of Iwo to the Ijesa who are known to be fond of doing Oro or rites. Doing Oro requires a lot of planning and that is why it is Iwori Irosun.

Iwo was birthed by Obara Otura and that Esikanri moba will have something to do with it. Oyo was Ogbe Otura. Ilorin was Okanran Irete, Ede was Osa Irete, Osogbo was Idi Irete, Lagos Island was Ogunda Irete but IFA told me it was actually Ose Irosun that birthed Lagos island as it was the ODU that was gotten in Benin before they set out while Ogunda Irete was gotten when they arrived on Lagos island

oroje1:
I'm only asking that you explain the pattern of African religions I just mentioned,leave Abraham own first,after all it was only a test of faith,he didn't actually killed his son....so back to my question,...is it this same African traditional stuff that you referred to as religions passed on to you by your ancestors?

Yet if someone is caught today trying to sacrifice his own kid, you will be quick to accuse the person of being responsible for some missing people. Double standard. There were no religions in the past. Religion is the opposite of science. If something can be peer reviewed then it is not religion. If something respects other people's culture, it is not religion. Spirit science is not religion and that is what was passed down to every human group by their ancestors and not religion.

The SE receives three times more allocation than the SW per capita and if Lagos were added to the SW the difference will be much greater. Therefore there is no reason the SE governors should not perform better than the SW. Their HDI will be higher and etc

erniok:
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Was Abraham a demon worshipper too? He was a human ritualist
Really? How do you define a human ritualist and any proof he was a human ritualist?

Somebody who was told by a voice in his head to sacrifice his own son must have sacrificed other people's sons to even believe that voice in his head or how do you define a human ritualist? Infanticide was common in that part in those days

ariesbull:
So the IGR of SW is a fluke

Only Lagos and Ogun are doing substantial IGR in the west.

They have more revenue so they should. The SE receives three times more allocation per Capita than the SW

DoTheNeedful:
Obi is just playing games. He wants to be the VP to Atiku. If not, he would not have joined ADC.

He cannot win the primary in ADC nor the general election. I keep saying that the North's anger towards Tinubu is not sincere. They only want power back in the North; forget about the talk about economic hardship. The Northerners have always been like that. I am sure they would not vote for Obi over Tinubu, if 2027 is a direct choice between Tinubu and Obi.

Obi's best bet is to be Atiku's vice. Through this, he could also be president just like Jonathan. At 80, Atiku does not seem like someone that can complete 4( 8 ) years. He looks weak. I'm sorry to say.

Tinubu will rather break up the country than lose the election and hand over to another person. Jonathan could not break up the country was why he capitulated. The US refused to sell him weapons

MEGAWATCH:
I only asked you to mention names of one who's mother is Igbo and you accepted them and show them love like this guy we are talking about, you could not but rather you are writing an article.

Stop all these your propaganda please, everything is not all about propaganda and telling lies.


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There are Yoruba leaders with Igbo mothers and if there are none there is no need for you to complain since you can't find Yoruba complaining that there are no Igbo leaders with Yoruba mothers. That is the issue. Why will anybody reject you in your father's compound? You mean if the person is extremely good and serving the community, the father's compound will reject him? That isn't possible.

oroje1:
The ones I knew quite well,don't they do human sacrifices during their festivities to their gods? Are they not the same ones who told their worshippers that twins and albinism are an abomination to be killed or thrown into the evil forests to die.are they not the gods whose worshippers created the caste system in many traditional settings back then and some even existing till date?

Was Abraham a demon worshipper too? He was a human ritualist

MEGAWATCH:
Please mention one leader in your region who's mother is Igbo.

Just one and let's see!


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There are many politicians with Igbo mothers in Yoruba land but if there are none, leave them. It is not your business or how is it your business? Nobody can stop anybody in Yoruba land from anything because their mother is Igbo and etc but even if they are doing that it is wrong for any Igbo person to be complaining because you will be making things more difficult for them. They are Yoruba and not Igbo and if there is a war between Yoruba and Igbo they will fight for Yoruba.

Your mother is Igbo, Hausa or Chinese does not affect your chances here in Yoruba land if you love the land, work for the land and are responsible

MEGAWATCH:
The would have rejected him if his mum was an Igbo woman not minding he is one of their own.


I don't know what they fear about the Igbos?

Funny thing is that they keep denying it but right there within them they know it is true and hypocritical to deny the obvious.


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We have leaders here in the west whose mothers are Igbo. How many leaders exist in the east whose mothers are Yoruba? You have full right in your father's compound in Yoruba land no matter the origin of your mother. Your narrative is not the reality

akpumping7720:
Yeah the way Anambrians rejected Bianca and asked her to go to her father's state.

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Has any woman ever represented any state in Nigeria on the basis of being married to a man from that state?

oroje1:
And who's the God who gave human different ways of worshipping him knowing quite well that that would cause confusion.... speaking biblically, God has always had one way of guiding those who he chooses.from Abraham to the nation of Israel,and when he rejected the Israelites it's only through Christianity...the African religions you mentioned are all demon worshippers

They are demon worshippers but we had nobody killing over God, raping and etc until the God worshippers arrived around 2000 years ago

I have already shown that Ogun and Lagos that have high IGR also have the highest HDI. Then the next question is why is a state like say Imo having a higher HDI than say Oyo? In my opinion it boils down to FAAC allocations which is also revenue. NIN shows Oyo is more than double Imo in population but is the allocation double? Answer is No and that will tell on the HDI since both states don't do enough IGR.

Morizo:
I totally agree with your view on the emoluments of public servants like legislators.

My disagreement is vast as per precolonial Nigeria. It will take a robust debate to share our views so we can find common grounds and trace sources of our information where we disagree upon

Have a blessed week bro

Ok. Some things can be up for debate but the language of old Benin city is not. It was a Yoruba dialect just like Itsekiri or Ijesa. Benin city had a population of around 50k people and Yoruba used to be the lingua franca. Somehow the city lost its population probably due to emigration and new people entered the city. More or less the same thing almost happened to Warri.

Ofodirinwa:
Then why does Lesotho tax more intensely than China?
Taxes are important but the tax rate is not connected to development. Rather, it is the governments strategy and choice for it's own specific needs. China is productive, less taxes keep it that way, Finland and Lesthod are not productive (comparatively), so it uses government services to fill the gaps. Both countries are developed, both tax according to what makes sense for them.

You ask why Lesotho is taking tax? Isn't it obvious it is to develop their country? Then most African countries are just starting and the effect will not be felt instantly. However it is a free world and nobody can force policy on any country and if you succeed at something as a country then others will learn from you. You can contest elections, win and try to be the first developed country with high HDI and negligible taxation.

Just remember that the average tax to GDP ratio for the OECD is over 33 percent

Don't be deceived. There is no other way for any nation to get ahead other than via cooperation through taxation

Ofodirinwa:
Top 5 biggest economies in world GDP percentage gov revenue (IGR)

United States - 11.0
China - 7.0
Germany - 10.9 (Largest, most productive, and best economy in western europe)
India - 6.7
Japan - 11.4

To know your data is wrong. See Germany

Ofodirinwa:
China 7.0 is not developed?
The United States 11.0 is not developed?

Namibia 33.0 (Third highest)
Denmark 33.4 (Second highest
Lesotho 37.3 (Highest in world)
This means there is no correlation with development and tax rate.

When a person presents data so show that you're wrong, you can present counter data or you can just learn and move on.
Western European countries are largely socialist. They have expensive health care systems and low to no rate for citizens.

All those countries in Africa with high tax to GDP ratio definitely have a higher HDI than any west African country and I don't need to check. It is somehow pedestrian to think a nation spending half it's GDP on its infrastructure, economy and human capital will not be better off than another spending ten percent or less. No free lunch in Free town!

There is no developed country where tax to GDP is less than thirty percent. Don't calculate only federal revenue. The only developed country like that is the USA that has no universal healthcare.

And this is China for 2024 and China isn't really considered as developed