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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 7:32pm On Apr 01, 2016

chiefobdk:
page 2 yet no Igbo person here to misyarn...

all I can say to everyone above me is

GOOD MORNING...

it's all coming back.

IPOB, MASSOB or Boko Haram are not against breaking up Nigeria and this post is about that. So why should they be against this post? I dont understand your point. I am the OP and I agree with the IPOB and Boko Haram that Nigeria should be broken up. Outside perpetrating or threatening violence, we are doing exactly thesame thing.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:01pm On Apr 01, 2016

tobimillar:
Ogbeni Agbaletu, Lawani, zimoni, mreverest, davvymavvy, napoleonbaba, movic1, Originality007, we have all said so much YET so little. The question is where do we start from knowing our politicians won't help us. I want to be part of this peaceful revolution... REALISTIC way forward .. I doubt if lawani's house of assembly stuff will work because the bill will die as soon as it hits the floor of th house

Do not be so pessimistic or short sighted. Do the little you can do which costs you almost nothing. Share this post on twitter and facebook alike. Tag hundreds of people and discuss it freely but do not instigate violence or call for war. Encourage Hausas, Igbos, Igala and etc to do thesame. Sensitize people. Make it go viral and within a few months, with hundreds of thousands of passionate foot soldiers, the ball will be set rolling and Nigeria will break up.

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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 12:35pm On Apr 01, 2016

tobimillar:
Baba, oro ko ri bi e se ro yen oo... it's not as easy as that. To start with which politician will move the motion let alone debate about it? They dont care. And even if they do decide that, UN will NEVER wade in.....NEVER

Why do you say the UN will never wade in when they waded in in Sudan. This is the 21st century and not the middle ages and this is Nigeria where the Boko Haram have killed thousands over many years in a bid to set up an Islamic state in the North east of Nigeria. The UN will wade in, the UN is in support of self determination for all groups. They want the Boko Haram to have their Sharia and if not for a UN guaranteed sovereignty, Nigeria as it is today would not exist as it is not up to the task. It would have been colonised.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 10:27am On Apr 01, 2016

If Bayelsa want to secede, they know already they can not win the whole of Nigeria by force, so they will go about it legally and civilly without any infraction on others by passing a resolution to that effect in their house of assembly and above all notifying the UN and pleading to the UN to grant the request. The UN will be the deciding institution, maybe they will now say Bayelsa must not leave Nigeria and that their fears are unfounded, it will be the UN decision, totally UN decision but the people in the UN are reasonable people and they will do the right thing IF YOU ASK THEM. Once Bayelsa becomes independent, they have their own army and police and take total control of their future.

So Bayelsa does not need Igbos or Yorubas to support them if they decide to leave Nigeria. In thesame manner, Igbos do not need Yoruba neither do the Yoruba need Igbos to secede from Nigeria. Hausas or Kanuris do not need Yoruba or Igbo support too.

Should this be done by the Yoruba. Yes of course, you have to do your part, the thing you know is right to do even if you are not sure it will succeed. BUT OF COURSE IT WILL SUCCEED.

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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 12:50am On Apr 01, 2016

oyinkinola:
....e ma je a paro fun ra wa, gbogbo awon ti fe ki nigeria o daru lo ni awon jegudujera oselu ana ni, awon ni won gbe awuyeuye kale nile ibo, awon naa ni wontun bere nile yoruba yi, iro tiile yooba oni pepin, tori iran yoruba o fara mo le, gbogbo omo yoruba to ba kowo ilu je, ko loo da wo 'lu sile,
gbayi laaro tarugbo soge!
isokan ile nigeria ni baba awolowo di mu titi ojo ku e, iro ki le kan fe pa fun wa!

Ki ise oro Awolowo mo. Awolowo ti ba ti e lo. Herbert Macaulay paapaa lo bere oro Nigeria, oun naa ti lo. Awa to ku sile ni ki awa kun irin ese wa o.

Alagemo ti bimo e sile, aimojo o ku sowo omo alagemo.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 9:08pm On Mar 31, 2016

raumdeuter:
Ogbeni Lawani

E ku ise opolo. Awon alaale ile yi a gbe wa

Ohun ti emi faramo ni wipe ki gbogbo eya ti o wa loride ede Naijiriya ki gbogbo won pin yeleyele

Ko si ona abayori mo. Okete ti to si Gbegiri, ki eleko ko eko re lowo

Gbogbo eya ti o wa lorile ede naijeriya lo le da duro. Ko si ija nibe. Awa ko se mo ni

Olodumare lo fi si yin lokan bee. Ohun to wa lokan Olodumare gaan le wi jade yen. Eni to ba fe lo ko lo. Eni to ba fe duro ko duro. Ko si agidi kankan loro Olodumare rara. Ko sisi imunisin kankan.

Awon alale a ma gbe yin. Owo yin a ma roke. Ogun o ni feje wa we o!

Ase Edumare.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 8:46pm On Mar 31, 2016

Dansiki1:
Lawani, what's the meaning of the bolded words? If you are talking about Muslims, you are definitely making the same mistake as the biafrans.

Aborisha ni emi gegebi Olorun Oba Olodumare Agotun ateni ola legelege se fi le le fun awon babanla wa fun won lati wa ni ibarepo pelu ohun gbogbo. Mo mo wipe awon elesin igbagbo ati imale nwa lati gbe mi pa nitori mo duro si ilana Olodumare gegebi Aborisha, sugbon emi naa ko si duro. Mi o si lara awon ti o nso wipe ki won ofi onikaluku sile lati ma ba oruko Olorun Olodumare je kiri bi o ba ti wu won ni abe ofin freedom of religion. Temi ni wipe ki ijoba fagile awon onigbagbo ati imale ti won nba oruko Olorun je kaakiri gegebi toogi ti njo awa Aborisa ninu ina lorun apadi. Nitori kini? Olodumare temi ko so bee rara. Sugbon emi ko ni ede aiyede pelu awon elesin abalaiye, ibi yoo wu ki won ti wa, ibaa se Japan India, China abbl. Ti won ba ti bu owo fun mi, emi naa yio bu owo fun won. Ngo fi ori bale fun won pelu. Sugbon ti awon igbagbo ati imale ko ri ibe. Awon irunmale ajogun ni won nsise fun.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 8:36pm On Mar 31, 2016

oyinkinola:
igi worokoti da na ru,aro kaaro ti dobenu, kini isoro yoruba lorile ede yi loni, bi iya ba njomo yoruba bo tele lorile ede yi , iya ti dopin, asi ti ni aeyori oun akoile rere lorile ede yi, gbogbo aye lo mo pe ijoba tinlo lode yi ijoba yoruba ni, olori ijoba yi olooto eyan ni, gogbo aye lo sijeri si iwa oo re , ni bo lote eyi ti wa, nigba tawon ole nselu, omo yoruba o keko tie lowo, ese to je pe lasiko yi lo ye ka lo? bi eyan ba mo nkan pamo ko ranti eni moo wa! nigba ti yoruba si ipokini, taa si nipo keji, taa si nipo keta, taa si ni po kerin taa si nipo karun gaan paapaa laye jonathan ki lo se ti yoruba yari!

Yoruba ti po to lati dawa, Igbo naa po to, Gambari po to, Tapa po to, Agatu po to abbl. Ki onikaluku da duro pelu awon ajagun ati olopa ti won lo dara. Ki enikeni ma di enikeni lowo mu. Ki Yoruba ma le parapo da wahala sile ni ile Gambari nitori awon lo wa nijoba. Ko nikaluku mu ogbon ori won lo fun ilosiwaju awon eniyan won. Bo se Sharia ni won fe, ki won o bere ni pereu. Bo ti ye ko ri niyen o. Ko ju bee lo.

Aare orile ede yii kiise olooto eniyan. O nmu iro ni aaye ni, ko pa rara. Ko si ni eje omoluwabi kankan lara bo ti le wu ko kere mo. Emi o mo ohun ti e ri ti e fi pe Aare Buhari ni eniyan gidi. Okunrin naa kiise eniyan gidi rara o. Bo ti le je eniyan gidi paapaa, Yoruba ti po to, awa omo ile kaaro o jiire ti po to lati daduro ni aye ara wa gegebi okan ninu awon ilu olominira agbaye. A o ma pade awon Igbo, Gambari ati awon to ku ni ECOWAS ati UN ti ise ajo isokan agbaye.

Kini ohun ti e ri ti e fi ro wipe o ye ki Nigeria ma pin?

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Politics › Re: The Casualties Of A Third World Economy- The Option For The Yoruba by lawani(op): 5:19pm On Mar 31, 2016

Ofodirinwa:
but the constitution acknowledged Nnamdi Azikiwe as the father of independence in the country and made him an honorary president?
Nna eh, just say what you've done and who you are. You don't need to add salt to sugar to everything.

Do you think a country starts from a political party? What about the Aba Women's riots? The Coal Miners Strike? People who's bloodshed and sacrifice for an independent self ruled nigeria predated any political party?

I am not saying Dr Azikiwe is not a founding father but the struggle started when he was still a teenager and who can be regarded as the initiator, who travelled to the North and etc for politics is Sir Macaulay. he was also on good terms with the British and could have persuaded them to split the country if he chose that line of reasoning and action.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 5:14pm On Mar 31, 2016

Movic1:
Oro wahala koni eleyi. if we gain secession today,shea ama fi awon eniyan wa to wa ni kwara and part of kogi si Northern Nigeria??

No Yoruba group, city, town or village will join another group of course, unless forced, which no one will want to do and there are non Yoruba groups like Bariba, even Tapa that may want to be part of the new nation but no one should be forced and it is infact good for all to determine their destinies by themselves as independent nations where interests are easily alligned with their own police, army, economy and etc. The Yoruba will not say Asaba should join us just because they were in the Western region. The Igala will prefer to have their own nation rather hyan be a minority anywhere, so far they are not going to be open to any disadvantage whatsoever.

A o le fi awon eniyan wa si le lo o. nitori wipe ero loja. Ti o ba si eniyan ahoro lasan ni ilu.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 3:51pm On Mar 31, 2016

ajebuter:
Rara oh.. Emi o jiyan pe a nilati yo ada ati ibon ka to le da duro labe iran gambari..

Oro ajumo so papo ni lori tabili.

O sha ni bi orile ede metala se jade lati ara orile ede USSR laye atijo

Oro ajoso sha lo fa ti Germany fi di eeyo kan soso ti Italy se pin sin ilu keekeke, ati bi die ninu orile ede Cyprus se yo lati ara orile ede Greece

Mo gba wipe emi melo kan maa ba lo, bo se nsele ni North Ireland ati Catalonia ni ilu spain, Ethiopia ati Eritrea, laigbagbe South Sudan..

Sugbon, nigbati a ba fohun sokan, ti a juumo joko lori tabili ti a fohun sokan, yoo see se

O le ma je loni, tabi aadota odun sigba ti a wa yi, sugbon isokan ati ipinu wa se Pataki

Ire oh

Aadota odun ke? Kamari o! Ni ohun to je wipe ti gbogbo otokulu ilu ile Kaaro ojjire lati oke Oya ni Jebba de eti okun ni Eko ba ti fi imo sokan, o di sise niyen. Ti ase Olodumare a si gun. A ni awon eniyan nla ti won a gbe oro naa kale ni ajo isokan agbaye UN ti won o si da ojo pinpin ile bi eni da ojo ikomo bi o se sele ni Sudan. Ko le to bi e se ro yen o. Ohun ti o le di sise laarin osu melo kan ni. Ti a ba fi owo sowopo. Olodumare a si fi ase si.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:59pm On Mar 31, 2016

ajebuter:
O da bi enipe awa omo kaaro ojiire sese nji loju oorun ni

Ogbeni akowe yi ko ohun to wa lokan mi gele

A ni lati da duro funra wa nitori Olorun ke iran Yoruba gan-an.

Awa la kawe julo ninu gbogbo iran adulaawo, a kii se ole rara, a tun ni ile lopo yanturu fun ise agbe ati opo ohun amushoro ninu ile..

Ki la wa nse eru gambari alaikawe fun? Iran gambari ti emi eeyan o jo loju wa mu wa sin bi eru.

O di dandan ki iran Oodua ronu bi Baba Ogunde ti fohun ko to d'oloogbe

Bi bee ko, nise la nta oojo ola awon omo wa nitori aini isokan ati igboya lati ja fun etoo wa lati da duro

Ire oh....

Ooto oro gbaa le so iya wa, sugbon a ko ni laati ba awon Gambari ja rara. Awa naa ni awon ti o gba esin odi laarin was, awon onisumomi po laarin Yoruba paapaa. Sugbon a si ni anfaani ju awon Gambari lati da owo ibi duro ti a ba tete bere. Awon Baba wa ti igba laelae ko gba Olorun eke ti fun ni lase lati pa eniyan bi eni pa esinsin. A ko ni lati ba enikeni ja. Tiwa ni wipe a ko se mo. O to gee. Ki onikaluku o da omu iya re gbe. Ohun ti Boko Haram naa nfe kuku ni eyi. Ohun gbogbo nsise po fun rere ni.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:51pm On Mar 31, 2016

Movic1:
Correct !
Once the southerners are United automatically the Northerners are in trouble, but the question is are we ready to Unite?

If your purpose of secession is to put other people in trouble, I am not in support of that. Northerners must be reassurred that they need not have any fear. Part of the North is ile kaaro o jiire too and a group like the Bariba in Kwara and Niger were allied with the Oyo in the 19th century, a move which made sure they maintained their independence during the Fulani jihad.

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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:41pm On Mar 31, 2016

tobimillar:
But the truth is a United southern front is the only way to break away from the Northern hegemony. Yoruba's can never do it alone same with the igbo's

What is the need for a united Southern front? What purpose will that serve? Assuming Igbos say Nigeria must remain one, will Yorubas or Hausas now accept, if they think it is not good for them? Let everybody choose their own destiny independently while wishing others well. There is no need at all for a united Southern front.

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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:31pm On Mar 31, 2016

tobimillar:
Deep down in my heart, I wish the biafra dream can be a reality. I don't know why 99% of yoruba's online are against the biafra dream. What has the yoruba race benefitted from Nigeria? Truth is the yoruba race will develop faster as a country and the will be healthy competition between the republic of biafra and whatever appellation the country of yoruba chooses. Why most yoruba's are afraid of standing alone as a country still baffles me

Yoruba is not against Biafra but the IPOB are always abusing other groups, especially Hausa and Yoruba. They have not articulated a clear cut way to independence. So when they abuse others, others abuse them back. That is why it seems some Yoruba are against Biafra. Let Igbos get their acts together. they dont need Yoruba support.

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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:25pm On Mar 31, 2016

[quote author=khalleb post=44282161]op pls why is red in the flag and what does it mean[/quoI
I do not know. i saw the flag somewhere and copied it.

Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:08pm On Mar 31, 2016

tobimillar:
Omo yoruba atata ni mi sugbon ikokuko ni writer yi ko. A n bu enu ate lu awon omo yiibo tori won n ja fun ominira ilu biafra, a si wa fe Maa ja fun tiwa. Iwa mimo tara Eni nikan leyi (selfishness)

Ti e ba ti nse be tele. E da owo bee duro. Ohun ti won ba se ti ko dara ni ki e so. Ko si ohun to buru ninu wipe ki awon Igbo ti won le ni 30 million daduro gegebi ilu olominira to da gajiya. Emi ko fi igba kankan lodi si Biafra o! E ko le ri ohun to jo bee ninu atejade mi kankan o.

E je kia fi owo so wopo, ki a ye igi lese Nigeria. Ki Nigeria si fi idi remi lee kanna. E se pupo.

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Politics › Re: Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 2:03pm On Mar 31, 2016

Hagm0nd:
Op you try
but who will spearhead the seccession

Secession is not war. What is needed is unity of purpose and unanimity. So we need to get leaders like former President Obasanjo to support the move, then it will be a done deal as he can get the support of others that is needed.

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Politics › Ile Kaaro Ojiire (the Yoruba) And Nigeria. by lawani(op): 1:37pm On Mar 31, 2016

It is worth restating that Saudi Arabia of 30 million population makes 5 times the amount of Nigeria's oil revenue and if all the oil revenue of Nigeria belonged to only the Yoruba area of a population of around 70 million, it would not have amounted to 10 percent of government revenue if the Action Group were still in power. The People's Action Party is still in power in Singapore since independence. There is no opposition politics in that country just like in China and that country of 5 million is one of the best run in the world as of today. Norway of 5 million has oil income similar to Nigeria's but the money amounts to 20 percent of government revenue.

We as the Yoruba have to get our acts together. We must be grateful to the British who provided the platform for the Nigeria experiment which also served as a platform on which the Yoruba have been able to stand mostly together after centuries of being loosely affiliated rival states and city states of Ile Kaaro ojiire acknowledging Ile Ife as their source. The Yoruba are now sufficiently wielded together, though still distinct according to their subnations. A feat the Oyo and later Ibadan were not able to fully achieve for centuries apart from Alaafin Orompoto who briefly reduced most of the forest Yoruba to tributary status for a short while before they regained their independence again and the Oyo left them alone.

If the Yoruba were a separate nation of 70 million being run by a serious party like the Action Group, having the oil income of Nigeria, the oil sector would have been nationalised as Norway of 5 million population nationalised theirs and the oil income would not have amounted to 5 percent of government revenue in a 70 million population Yoruba country just like oil money of thesame value does not amount to more than 20 percent of the government revenue of 5 million population Norway.

So that kind of Yoruba country would not have had a currency crisis like Nigeria is having today. There would have been no official dollar exchange rate that is 50 percent of open market rates with the official rates gotten only by government cronies who get dollars at 197 and resell immediately at 400. The Yoruba country's currency woul have been unaffected by the dropping oil price just as Norway's Krone is unaffected by same. The Oodua group may today have become the largest conglomerate in the world worth several trillions of dollars with interests in all notable public corporations just like Norway's sovereign fund worth over a trillion dollars is today.

The Western region government of Nigeria was one of the main entities in the world to hold on to the idea that governments can still be in business for profits in some sectors of the economy despite also being a free market economy in the main. Other nations were sharply divided into capitalist free markets and socialist nations. In capitalist nations, governments do not intervene to make profit though they intervene in crucial sectors all the same while leaving profit making to the entrepreneurs. In socialist countries, private profit seeking is curtailed to the barest minimum. In the old Western region, there were millionaire entrepreneurs while some important sectors of the economy were nationalized for profit. it was termed a mixed economy. Norway as a country today has proven that the system is the best. Nationalise to make profit when that is the smartest thing to do like the Norwegian oil company and the West African produce board in the old Western region and allow a free market when that is smart too. If the Norwegian trust fund owned by 5 million Norwegians is worth over a trillion dollars today, we all should have an idea of what an Oodua group owned by 70 million citizens should have been worth by now if we had continued on the narrow path.

And of course, the Yoruba neighbours like Igbos, Hausas and etc would have been forced to live up to standard and West Africa and the world would not be the way it is today.

This is why the next thing to do for the Yoruba is to break up Nigeria immediately while assuring all that they have nothing to fear and that they should get their acts together as well. Interests can never be allied in Nigeria for the country to take off. That is impossible. People delude themselves that the current President is in alliance with the Yoruba via Former Governor Tinubu but when asked why a Yoruba man and disciple of former Governor Tinubu was blocked AT ALL COST from becoming the governor of Kogi state by the APC under President Buhari, they have nothing to say.

So wake up from your slumber. Interests can never be alligned in Nigeria where the main groups are trying to lord it over each other. I want independence for the Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Igala, Bariba, Tapa, Ijaw and etc etc. Let everybody be on their own while collaborating on their own terms with others.

People like the Bariba and etc who were in traditional alliance with one Yoruba group or the other in the 19th century should be liaised with while those who were not should be reassurred. An atmosphere of well alligned interests and rivalry can help for development.

May Olodumare assist us to make this a reality sooner than expected.

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Culture › Re: The Christian/muslim Mantra- No One Is Perfect. by lawani(op): 12:48pm On Mar 31, 2016

There is no way you can start moving ahead without stabilising your politics. So politics is the most important of all.

Culture › Re: The Christian/muslim Mantra- No One Is Perfect. by lawani(op): 9:51am On Mar 31, 2016

charix:
The write up makes sense however I don't like nor understand why it was mixed with politics.

The saying "No man is perfect" is a subtle mind trick played to keep people in endearing servitude. If no man is perfect then everyone starts looking for that which is perfect to mold their lives around. That's why people've role models because its their personal vision of near-perfection. Its the reason people practically worship Men of Goat because they're seen as the closest to 'a perfect Goat' and're hence many levels higher up compared to the average man.

Pride and self-belief should get encouraged amongst the masses as only a proud bunch move on to break barriers whether technological, medical, social or political; no individual with an inkling of pride wants to fail in any endevour when looked up to, if they eventually do they dust themselves off and start again. A country of never-perfect individuals continually remains in mediocrity.

Why do you say it should not be mixed with politics which is the only way we know of organising the advancement of humans. Is anything more important than politics?

Culture › The Christian/muslim Mantra- No One Is Perfect. by lawani(op): 2:09pm On Mar 29, 2016

One of the memes with which Christians and Muslims derail the world is their widely acknowledged saying 'No one is perfect'. Churches and mosques propagate it. Christians and Muslims spread it to entrench the position firmly in our minds that we all need to be saved by Jesus' or Mohammed's teachings or doctrines. It is a part of their demonic onslaught designed to reverse the progress of this human civilization.

While listening to them and the evil passages they quote from their Quran and Bible, we must always remind ourselves that there is an age long and time tested golden rule which is 'DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU'. If you follow this rule closely, you are perfect and never let any demon possessed Christian or Muslim take that from you ever.

For example, when I was an employer of labour in Ile Ife, I made it a point of duty to pay like 20 percent higher salaries than my competitors. My employees were totally let into my accounts. They calculated the profits after salaries and expenses. I had nothing to hide from them and I used to leave the business in their hands for weeks. I remember asking one of them, Sola, to be removing tithes for me to pay to the RCCG monthly. I did it once or twice but opted out when I reasoned that I should not be paying tithes on profits if not compelled unless there is an insurance cover for loss as well, or a kind of vote on how the money is spent conceded by the institution taking the money, that is the RCCG, so I stopped removing tithe from my profits but continued making voluntary offerings in the church.

I have never lied to anyone to take advantage of them. Man or woman. I treat people carefully as I would like to be treated. I used to employ people junior to me who I take as younger ones but when I employed someone in my own age bracket and he deferred to me, I returned the gesture by deferring to him as well, though he later fell short of expectations. I can not think of any unfair thing I have ever done as an adult in the mould of PMB cancelling the Lagos metro project or lying to millions that he is poor when he is infact a dollar billionaire and driving his irate supporters who see him as a honest man to massacre hundreds of people the age of his children. That is a debased person and I am totally not that kind of person that all can see is far from perfect. So when I encounter Christians and Muslims telling me I am not perfect, it enrages me and I always reply Mr Man, Madam and etc 'I am perfect'. Arent you? And why not?

An adult should be perfect, people in their formative years can be excused but an adult have to be perfect. All sensible human beings are perfect.

Take people like Mallam Aminu Kano, Sir Tafa Balewa, Obafemi Awolowo, Nnamdi Azikiwe and many others. You would not be able to fault these people on any issue they were involved in as adults. Not a single instance. Even thesame applies for President Obasanjo that is so much villified today. All his public actions can be rationalised by people who can reflect deeply. A man who was villified for decades as having stolen 2.8 billion dollars he knew nothing about while the thief was being cannonised as a saint, then he became President again and was almost removed from power after his first term despite achieving the main thing we are enjoying today for us which is GSM . If he became very wealthy after office just like President Clinton became very wealthy after office, it was obviously something he felt he had to do even if by helping himself to the treasury after all he was villified for decades despite taking nothing and whatever he has taken is being managed well in viable businesses for the benefit of all. I am not saying he helped himself to the treasury though because no proof apart from the fact that he has huge agro allied businesses. However he has not derailed from the path of 'Do to others what you want others to do unto you'. Even this is true for President Babangida as well.

So when you as a Christian or Muslim want to repeat again that no human being is perfect, realise that not all adult humans lack common sense, there are millions who adhere strictly, has never strayed from and will never stray from the golden rule of 'Do unto others what you want others to do unto you' since they became adults. Those people are perfect. Be well advised.

Culture › The Theocracy Of Guardian Deities- The Only Answer To Spiritual Fascism. by lawani(op): 11:06am On Mar 28, 2016

I will use the Yoruba as an example. Like all original Earth peoples, there was no fascism about God in the Yoruba or Ife culture. When a child is born, an Awo will be patronised to determine the child's esentaiye, the path the child will follow in life, the risks, what or where he or she should avoid and under the energy of which Orisa is the child born and etc. The esentaye divination and ceremony is the first spiritual guidance done for the child, later the child is circumcised.

When the child becomes an accountable adult, he will be likely to approach the Alagbaa in his community to assist him or her in making and consecrating a tutelary deity to use as a personal tool, possibly in a personal shrine for spiritual guidance. This deity is her or his personal property, named by him or her for use for spiritual guidance. Before making the deity, the prospective owner will pledge to the Alagbaa what he will be using per term to propitiate the deity. May be a cow, a he goat, a gourd of palmwine and etc. This is what the Alagbaa will table before the chief deity of the community of which the Alagbaa is chief priest or custodian. Once the decision is made it will be final and if you want to disconnect from the tutelary deity, there are also procedures. A tutelary deity is usually a personal property which is thrown away after a person's demise. Apparently the so called God of Abraham mentioned in the Bible was Abraham's tutelary deity that an Alagbaa in Sumeria assisted him to make and consecrate. The tutelary deity of Abraham used to take human sacrifices. Among the Yoruba, an individual often throws an annual party for his or her tutelary deity. He may don the mask himself as Eegun or get someone to don it, throw a party for friends and family and also attend other people's annual parties of thesame nature.

Then there can be family deities, clan deities and national deities, all imbued with the ashe of Olodumare. Then there are also well established priesthoods of various orishas. Each of the four days of the week is dedicated to an orisha as its Sabbath or work free day. So in the past in Yoruba land, everyday was Sabbath for some people who are adherents or children of the orisha who owns that day like Orunmila, Sango, Ogun, Obatala, Iyami and etc. Two or more orisas do share one day and the priesthoods are distinct from each other. The priest use divination but the professional diviners are the Orunmila or Ifa priests who sometimes may refer people to the priests of other orisas for one thing or the other. It was a very organised and thriving industry that solved the spiritual needs of people for thousands of years.

The guardian deity of our town Ere Ijesa is the spirit of the Koje river known as the Onikoje. So all Ere Ijesa indigenes are till today hailed as Omo Onikoje. The guardian deity of Ipetu Ijesa, my mother's town is the Olokun. The Ibadan have the Okebadan. Osogbo is Osun, Iwo is the spirit of the Oba river and etc etc.

I believe the ideal human society should have that kind of theocratic arrangement under a guardian deity as did all ancient peoples. Secularism has failed woefully and Science has acknowledged the existence of non material matter, so we need to admit the certainty of the existence of non material beings who are our guardians. It is just logical. So under that kind of theocratic arrangement, all peoples living in a country will have to submit to the chosen guardian deity of that nation to earn their stay in that country and all groups preaching against such an arrangement will be summarily proscribed. You dont come bad mouthing my benefactor and think I will embrace you. This will mean the stamping out of Christianity and Islam globally. That was the way our ancestors lived and prospered all over the globe before the advent or invention of Abrahamic spiritualities or religions and that is what the entire globe needs to go back to so that this human civilization will not collapse.

May Olodumare assist us. Ashe.

Christianity Etc › Re: ESU: The Sacred Child Of Heaven by lawani(m): 10:27pm On Mar 24, 2016

truthman2012:
Which philosophies you could not refer to and passed down to you by unknown author or with no author?

Men wrote down what was passed down to them by a spiritual Being called God and that we call the bible. Even Muhammad who was an illiterate man got what he claimed he received from Allah down for people to refer to, wrongly or rightly, at least they have something to refer to.

What type of gods are yours that are incapable of passing down anything, which is the reason pagan formulate any nonsense. They are not even sure of what they are saying. Sometime they say their gods have names and later they will say no name. What a confused folk.

You are not very sharp. The Germans call themselves Deutshlanders, the French call them Allemagne, the English call them German but they are what they are. There are as many names for the supreme being as there are languages. That is the point the gentlemen have been trying to make you grasp. If your language has no name for the supreme being, then that is not a human language

You are not very sharp. The Germans call themselves Deutshlanders, the French call them Allemagne, the English call them German but they are what they are. There are as many names for the supreme being as there are languages. That is the point the gentlemen have been trying to make you grasp. If your language has no name for the supreme being, then that is not a human language

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Christianity Etc › Re: ESU: The Sacred Child Of Heaven by lawani(m): 10:25pm On Mar 24, 2016

truthman2012:
Which philosophies you could not refer to and passed down to you by unknown author or with no author?

Men wrote down what was passed down to them by a spiritual Being called God and that we call the bible. Even Muhammad who was an illiterate man got what he claimed he received from Allah down for people to refer to, wrongly or rightly, at least they have something to refer to.

What type of gods are yours that are incapable of passing down anything, which is the reason pagan formulate any nonsense. They are not even sure of what they are saying. Sometime they say their gods have names and later they will say no name. What a confused folk.

You are not very sharp. The Germans call themselves Deutshlanders, the French call them Allemagne, the English call them German but they are what they are. There are as many names for the supreme being as there are languages. That is the point the gentlemen have been trying to make you grasp. If your language has no name for the supreme being, then that is not a human language

Politics › Re: The Casualties Of A Third World Economy- The Option For The Yoruba by lawani(op): 6:45am On Mar 09, 2016

Ofodirinwa:
So now yoruba people primarily initiated Nigeria?

It is the Yoruba that conceived Nigeria. Our people formed the first national parties and conducted the first political sensitizations up North. Sir Macaulay is the father of Nigerian nationalism. Our people prevented the British from dividing Nigeria. So we now must end it.

Politics › The Casualties Of A Third World Economy- The Option For The Yoruba by lawani(op): 6:07am On Mar 09, 2016

Third world economy is a term used to describe countries that have refused to get their acts together since the end of the last great war in 1945. The countries so designated are at various stages of under development. The main casualties of these economies are the wage earners in the informal sector of the local economy which forms the majority of the economy in these third world nations. Many are maintained as contract staff for years without any rights under the law, no access to credit, paid low wages and can be dismissed at any time after the end of their short term contract. This is characteristic of third world countries as such is never condoned in industrialised or rational nations. In a modern nation that is an immigrant worker destination, it is characteristic of them to fix wages because income tax is often the major source of government revenue. Workers are paid well. Slave labour and casualisation of workers are not allowed and any perpetrator found out is jailed. You as an employer can not say this is how much I can afford to pay. You have to pay a minimum meaning you have to invest a minimum as well to make the profits required. In advanced and rational countries, workers are not on top of the food chain but they get paid enough to live comfortably, they go on leave and are able to travel to anywhere in the world for leisure. The arrangement is so structured that such an economy becomes a magnet for workers from across the world. Obviously because people tend to go where they are well treated and respected, where the authourities are on the lookout for them and where their contribution is valued.

In rational nations that are advanced, all economic activities are in the open, all profits are made in the open, all wages are paid in the open via banks. The informal sector of the economy is almost non existent and trying to make profit informally is a criminal offense in these advanced and rational nations. If they have an informal sector in the economies of nations like the US, UK and etc, then it can not be up to 5 percent of the economy, whereas in nations like Nigerria, India, Pakistan and etc, the informal sector dominates, maybe by up to 90 percent of the economy. People who participate in this sector as wage earners are often little better than slaves. They work and receive meagre salaries, irrespective of profit made by their employer. They have no relationship with banks and hence no access to credit and often can be sacked unceremoniously. They have no pension plan, sometimes no appointment letter. So in all ramifications, they are the main people bearing the brunt in an economy in third world status. The employers of labour sit pretty and self employed people as well, to a large extent. A serious minded self employed person in a third world nation maybe as a carpenter, bricklayer, trader, welder, electrician and etc will more often than not have completed their personal house by the time they are around forty years of age but it is the people stuck in the unregulated labour market of a third world economy that bear the brunt of everything, then the economy as a whole after them. Since a third world economy can not be advanced and developed, some crucial sectors will be missing like heavy industries and etc and it will mean less opportunities for all. So the wage earners are always the biggest losers followed by the whole nation as a whole.

Take a scenario where wage is regulated and employers have to standardize their relationship with their employees or go to jail, pay them through the bank and etc. It will mean if a man and a woman are married and one of them is in business like poultry farming, education, catfish farming, vegetable farming and etc, needing money for expansion while the other is seeking employment. Once the employment seeker, maybe the woman, gets a job, she will open a salary account where her salary will be paid as payment by hand and casualisation of staff will be a criminal offense in a rational setting. If she is paid a minimum of 70 thousand naira as a fresh graduate of which 18 thousand or so is taken as income tax, then it will mean she will have access to credit at her bank and can be able to raise a loan, maybe between 500 thousand and a million naira to help her husband's business. Note that the business is already established and with customers and there is little risk of failure. Think of such happening in ten million places and the loan demand such will generate, think of the multiplier effect on the economy, then you see that what is keeping a third world economy down partly the lack of access to credit like is the case in rational nations. There is money in our banks which is exported to organised nations by the bank management when no one is coming for it here. This applies to all third world nations. It is what led to Mr Erastus Akingbola of the defunct Intercontinental bank exporting bank funds to invest in Asian stocks. He lost the bank money to a crashed market and ended up in prison. The way out is obvious to anyone with common sense. It is to eradicate the informal sector of the economy and bring everybody together.

**** Nigeria is the failed nation that was inaugurated or initiated mainly by Yoruba people but it has failed and we must ****. Then we set up a new **** where only the government holds a banking license and the profits from loans serves to supplement government revenue. May God assist us.

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Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani(m): 5:01am On Mar 09, 2016

It is better to just note that we are all Ife people. We speak Yoruba mainly and other languages found up to Eastern Ghana but we are thesame people of Ife who should be in one country really.

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Business › Calculating The Gdp by lawani(op): 8:46am On Mar 08, 2016

Because of the problem of changing one currency to the other or to the US dollars and because of the large disparity in the cost of living between the nations of the world, then fluctuations in exchange rates, it becomes very hard to determine the relative GDP size of nations. Two values are used, that is, nominal GDP and GDP by purchasing power parity. The nominal GDP is arrived at by changing the value of the economy to the dollar value using the exchange rate that is prevalent while the GDP by PPP is arrived at by determining what money can actually do inside a nation within its borders. For example in New York, someone with a 2 thousand dollar income per month is not on a good economic standing and might even be homeless, whereas someone like that in Ilesa Osun state is sitting very pretty and will be seen as very economically comfortable. In well organised countries with a social security system, you need more to survive since government takes up to 30 percent of private income as taxes to support the society as a whole, then all property owners have to pay property tax which sets a minimum on rents. Then slave labour is not allowed which makes things more expensive because of cost of labour. Some industrialized nations repair nothing because cost of repair is like the cost of a new product. For instance, bringing up toddlers is more expensive in industrialized nations as it is against the law to employ other people's school age children permanently in your home to take care of your kids as house helps, a practice common in Nigeria and other backward countries. You are either wealthy enough to hire a nanny at minimum wage or more or you put your toddler in a daycare which is expensive (this in itself is a natural population control). Then you have bills like rent, power, water and gas which amount to multiples of what obtains in under developed or backward countries.

In essence, if you compare places like Ilesa, Akure, Osogbo in Nigeria to advanced cities like London, Berlin or New York, it will become apparent that a 1000 dollar per month income in places like Ilesa, Akure, Osogbo is equivalent to more than 6 thousand dollars per month in places like London, New York or Berlin. So by purchasing power parity a nominal GDP of 100 billion dollars in Ilesa may be the equivalent of like 600 billion dollars in those places. It is largely so because people in those places have joined hands together to help each other, so they need to do more, unlike the all man for himself situation we have in third world countries like Nigeria.

The way to even things up is to have uniform threshholds of taxation globally. Let all governments take thesame percentage of income as taxes all over the world as much as possible and let them be responsible for basically thesame responsibilities. Let property tax be as uniform as possible. Let inflation be as uniform as possible and let there be a global policy that governments should depend solely and only on taxes in their local currency. If currency is inflated, government should not take the proceeds but distribute it to the masses via a lottery. This will remove the incentive for government to be continually inflating the currency as a source of revenue. Such a hamper or curb will bring currency stability and make all currencies a reliable store of value as it should be.

With all these in place and with free trade policies in place, the determinant of the GDP size will be factors like number of workers and size of local markets. Within a few years, China will be number one, followed by India, then the US, Indonesia and etc.

Politics › Re: Nigeria- Situation Report And Yoruba Future. by lawani(op): 11:16pm On Mar 07, 2016

leke12:
yorubas transcend d territory of nigeria u have to seize many lands before realization. U think fulani will leave ilorin just like that? Or u think republic of benin will give away their territory just like dat? Or south-south wil give isekiris or benin just like dat? Even among the yoruba kings there is cold war courtesy of sumpremacy.

There is no Fulani in Ilorin and Jebba that is 100 km North of Ilorin has an Oba even on the North side of River Niger. Igbomina and other Yoruba totally encircle Ilorin. Then the Emir of Ilorin is a Yoruba man of Hausa descent put there by the Sultan of Sokoto and Premier of Northern Nigeria just to spite the Yoruba. He did not put the Fulani people as Emir as it was impossible. Then the protection agreement of Ilorin with the British was signed by Balogun Ajikobi a descendant of Alaafin Abiodun and he is the paramount ruler of Ilorin in the eyes of the British, Ilorin people as at that time and all reasonable people today. Again the Balogun Ajikobi is Ilorin's paramount chief not the Emir of Ilorin. No Fulani in Ilorin though there are people of Fulani descent just like in other parts of Yoruba land. Yoruba land is contiguous from Southern Niger state to the Atlantic when we settle down we can form a union with Benin republic even up to Togo. Benin is a mix of Egun, Yoruba and Bariba. Badagry here too is Egun while Ajase or Porto Novo in Benin is Yoruba. When we get to that bridge we cross it. Again there is no Fulani iN Ilorin just some Yoruba of Fulani descent and such people are all over Yoruba land.

Which Fulani are you talking of? Are people coming from Sokoto over Tapa land and Jebba to claim Ilorin? Tapa do not belong to Fulani. Many Etsus are not Fulani. I think only the one in Bida is Fulani and some Tapa have been trying to unseat him. Suleja and Abuja have Hausa Sarkis. The Fulani are in no position to muscle anything with the Yoruba, they dont have the resources to do that and they can not jump over Jebba, Tapa land to do that. Ilorin is totally cut off from the sphere of influence. If they are able to continue ruling the Hausas, they should thank their stars.

Politics › Re: Nigeria- Situation Report And Yoruba Future. by lawani(op): 10:18pm On Mar 07, 2016

leke12:
take easy bro, u can't be more yoruba than me. Point is yoruba can't just wake up 1day and say we want out. The easiest part is dat since the almagamation treaty signed in 1914 has expired last year, the southern can simply go to world congress and say we want out and after that everyone can form is own republic. Simple!!! Why do we have to shed unnecessary blood?

Which blood? Nobody will fight. The FG is owing soldiers presently. They can't fight and if they choose to fight, it means they are fools. The whole world has been expecting Nigeria to break up for years. Who will stop the Yoruba from pulling out of Nigeria if we want to?. Nobody can stop the Yoruba from pulling out of Nigeria. Nobody. The Yoruba started this country and it has failed as a corporate body, so we must kill it. If not for people like Sir Macaulay, the British were not favourably disposed to joining Nigeria together. We as Yoruba gained independence in 1956 and if we had wanted, we would have opted out of Nigeria but we did not at that time. No group is bigger or has more numbers than the Yoruba in Africa. We can break up this country easily without violence.

All the reps of our people, traditional rulers, custodians of British protection agreements and political reps can notify Abuja and the UN that we are opting out. The UN is more important. We have influential people across the world. There are 1001 reasons chief of which is that we are one people and nothing short of a country using one lingua franca of Yoruba befits us, Nigeria has been run down for decades, all our solutions and advises were not taken. We are a nation and can not be subjugated under a phony nation. Let Igbos, Hausas and etc form their own nations, we are no longer a party to Nigeria. Nigeria will be split with lightening speed and no lives will be lost. We will seize control of our destiny and start advancing as a people.

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Politics › Re: Nigeria- Situation Report And Yoruba Future. by lawani(op): 9:24pm On Mar 07, 2016

leke12:
let the southern nigeria break first and every1 can go their seperate ways,if not we will be slaves to d north forever.

Don't be an idiot. Nobody is a slave to North and Northerners have been ruined more by their own leadership. I am in Nigeria Ogun state making these posts. The Yoruba do not need the help of other Southerners to get out of Nigeria and other Southerners or Northerners do not need the help of the Yoruba if they approach the matter in the right way.

A good portion of Yoruba land is in Niger, Kwara and Kogi state, so it is not a matter of South and North for the Yoruba. We are Yoruba, not Southerner or Northerner.

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