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ariesbull:
well I am not talking about relationship ...I am talking about ancestry and the meaning of GAMBARI and the Hausa Fulani Origin of the name

I have explained to you. The word Gambari is a Yoruba word for Hausa and that is where the rest of Nigeria got it. The Emir of Ilorin is NOT a member of the Fulani compound in Ilorin but a member of the Gambari compound. His compound head is Balogun Gambari and not Balogun Fulani.

ariesbull:
Ilorin Emirate Identity: The Ilorin Emirate has a unique history, as it was founded by Fulani but is located in a predominantly Yoruba region. Therefore, families like the Sulu-Gambari (including the Emir of Ilorin) represent a blend of Fulani, Hausa, and Yoruba heritage.

Political Usage: The term "Gambari" has been used in Nigerian politics to emphasize the Northern/Fulani background of certain public officials, particularly when discussing the "Hausa-Fulani" influence in national politics.

All Ilorin are relatives because they intermarry but then everybody know the compound they belong to which is their father's compound

SisterAnn:
I have many Yoruba in-laws too.

Both tribes are parallel lines that have nothing in common. Their proximities have forstered more suspicions than collaboration. The peace is fragile.
Imagine, a marriage between a man and woman where they live like this, is it healthy for either party?

Yet, you know there's nothing you can do about the situation, a jinxed situation.

If Igbo can agree to adopt Yoruba as lingua franca for the center while they keep Igbo in their states then a new constitution that will be just and fair can be written if all parties agree. Yoruba is too big to be using a foreign language for government business or in the universities. We need to preserve what we have for the rest of humanity by all means and Nigeria can't give us that. I however think Igbos are also big enough to be alone. The rivalry between Yoruba and Igbo is not more than what was between Ibadan and Ijebu in the nineteenth century

SisterAnn:
You are now lumping SE and SS(mostly riverine) by this post from you, otherwise, core SE have more than enough space to live and expand.

Yes, multiple wives were not forbidden in old and modern Igbo culture, it pales into insignificance when compared to it's prevalence in SW, where Islam also added an additional force to the narrative.

Today, an Igbo man with multiple wives is viewed as a crazy person but in SW, they are celebrated and encouraged.

SE isn't big. It is around same size as Oyo state but it is more watered than Oyo state. Only a few people marry multiple wives and I don't believe it makes much difference

SisterAnn:
I wished our paths never crossed on this planet.

Can you tell me why? I have many Igbo inlaws

SisterAnn:
Yorubas were/are very disposed to marrying multiple wives now and then which means more children. If your assertion is scientifically proven to be true, then that's the only explanation to it

The jihadists are taking over UK, their game plan is to birth like rats with their multiple wives.. wives who don't contribute anything to the economy of UK.. UK pay them instead.
These children they are birthing would sure grow to voting age and their sheer population would be used to edge out all other contestants who are not jihadists.

My point is, multiple marriages automatically will translate to multiple children which will account for more numbers in a census exercise.

Multiple wives or not, it is your living space under your control as a people, comprising of arable land and fresh water that will determine your population overtime. Igbos too marry multiple wives and many groups that marry multiple wives but have small living space still have low population

Ofodirinwa:
Igbo and Yoruba were very aware of each other. If this is how your preceive history, you have to give yourself time a learn a little more. With that level of ignorance, it's easy to understand the shortcomings which made you type the rest of what you typed.

We only became aware of each other in the 20th century.

kettykin:
This simply means yorubas are big enough to exist as a separate nation and not struggling to be part of Nigeria .

Stop struggling and constituting a nuisance to be a small struggling fish in a small pond be a big fish in your own lake

Even if Yoruba are 500k they are enough to form their own country

izombie:
Just imagine. 2am, he couldn't sleep because of tribalism. Na wao

Who can sleep with the way many Igbos go about online?. I am not saying the Yoruba are not doing theirs. I am not a supporter of Tinubu but he contested from a party he founded and that can't be faulted. You need to fight the PDP that refused to give ticket to Obi

1Alex:
This post is what happens when vibes replace evidence and Google Maps becomes a census bureau.

You start with “look at the map” like population density is measured in square centimeters. Fertile land doesn’t auto-spawn humans like a video game. History, migration, disease, wars, trade routes, and urbanization exist. You skipped all of that.

Then you declare every colonial census you don’t like “rigged” but treat UK, US language-at-home data like holy scripture, data that literally measures immigration patterns, not population size in Nigeria. That’s not analysis. That’s display of ignorance with confidence.

“Yoruba professors are three times Igbo professors.”
Cool story. Now explain how a modern NUC register rewrites 19th-century demography. Or are professors now a proxy for ancestors?

You also casually ignore:

Yoruba land having early large centralized kingdoms and earlier colonial urban pull (Lagos, a good example),

Igbo society being decentralized and rural for longer (which affects records), massive Igbo post-war migration inside Nigeria that doesn’t show up in your neat zonal math.

The real comedy is the moral leap:

“Therefore Igbo should stop talking about marginalization.”

So your logic is: questionable population math, diaspora headcount, professor tally, presidential entitlement.

That’s not political science. That’s numerology with ethnic confidence.

And the “5 states for 20 million people” line? States aren’t sharing-size pizza slices. They’re administrative tools, created historically and politically, often unfairly; for everyone. Pretending one group is “gaining most” in Nigeria is wild when the whole country is struggling.

In short:
This post isn’t bold. It’s loud.
It isn’t rigorous. It’s selective.
And it doesn’t end marginalization debates; it proves why they never end.

What is causing all the vitriol being poured by zealous Igbos on Yoruba online? Isn't that a concern to you? If we are going to ditch competence and go for only zoning then it should be fair or shouldn't it? You can't share equally between 20 million and 50 million. Igbos somehow think they have the population but all evidence say they don't. Someone needs to point attention to it. When you talk about what you are missing, also know what you are gaining. Oyo and Ogun are about the same population as the entire SE and they are two states.

I believe any group that wants a state should be given but states should not have the same representation at the center. What I am however working for is a disintegration of the country

ariesbull:
So is ilorin not a Yoruba land ?
Is Gambari a Yoruba name ?

Even Sariki even said he is a Fulani...well you can deny or argue !

Why not have an Oba of Ilorin !

If a Yoruba is bearing Tapa that is Nupe descent, Gambari is Hausa descent etc but the compound in Ilorin is made up of Hausa Nupe and Bariba. The Fulani compound in Ilorin is made up of Fulani and maybe Malians

In Ilorin they know their king as Oba. Emir is only for newspapers

ariesbull:
Emir of ilorin is a fulani man! Js ilorrin not a Yoruba land ?


Alhaji (Dr.) Ibrahim Sulu-Gambari CFR, born April 22, 1940, is the 11th and current Emir of Ilorin, ascending the throne in 1995. As a direct descendant of the Shehu Alimi dynasty, he is a prominent Fulani traditional ruler in Northern Nigeria and chairs the Kwara State Traditional Rulers Council.

Key details about the Emir of Ilorin:
Background: He is a former legal practitioner who served as a Presiding Justice of the Court of Appeal, Lagos Division, before ascending the throne.

Lineage: He is the son of the 9th Emir, Alhaji Muhammad Zulukarnain Gambari (r. 1959-1992), and a direct descendant of Sheikh Alimi.
Reign: He celebrated 30 years on the throne in 2025, with a focus on peace, education, and cultural development.


These are the type of people they might call Igbo Muslim mistakenly! I don't have anything against Muslims, but Islam penchant for trying to make everyone Muslim globally that's why they are having issues everywhere


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There is no Fulani man in Yoruba land bearing Gambari. Not a single one. Maybe you need a course on Yoruba family names

Look at the map of Igbo land and the map of Yoruba land and consider the fact that both groups were not known to each other in the nineteenth century and consider the fact that both lands are fertile and well watered. I put it to my readers that there was no time before colonization that Yoruba land contained less than three times the population of Igbo land. Nowadays in Nigeria Yoruba are scattered and the SW currently contains around 2.8 times the population of the SE but both zones don't accurately encompass Yoruba or Igbo land.
In today's Africa, the Yoruba is more than double the Igbo in population. Any colonial census that says otherwise was rigged. In the US the Yoruba are like double Igbo according to the census of language spoken at home, in the UK it is almost triple. Yoruba Professors are almost three times the number of Igbo professors according to those that went through the NUC register. This means the cry of marginalization over the Presidency by Igbos should stop because you can only share equally with your equal even if there is zoning unless you want to cheat them.
The Igbos gain most in Nigeria because they have 5 states for 20 million people in the SE. They should have five states only if total number of states is like 60.

Twist4u:
The decentralized nature of Igbo cultural setup has made it very difficult for islam to penetrate.

In DJ Trump's words "There's an Islam problem in the world". A religion that destroy people's culture and identity is not something to promote far.

Take a Look at the conquered Yoruba people of Kwara State, they are not allowed to identify with their culture, they can't sight the moon for themselves, otherwise, the Sultan of Sokoto will not take it likely with them, their identity is completely altered, they use Emir of Ilorin and not Oba Ilorin. An educated tribe to say the least in 2026.

In my opinion, the Top most priority on the mind of Yoruba people today should be saving their conquered tribes men other than worry about other courageous tribes that has stood firm against such invasion over time.

It's alarming and worrisome.

There is no part of Yoruba land being ruled by Fulanis in the nineteenth century. The person who signed the protection agreement of Ilorin with Britain was Balogun Ajikobi who was an Oyo aristocrat but the British later graded the Emir because there were four Baloguns and one Emir who prior to then was just a prayer leader. The Balogun Ajikobi and Alanamu were later exiled. The Baloguns later responded by giving the Emirship to Gambari a compound comprised of Yorubas of Hausa, Nupe and Bariba descendants and it is still like that today. You just make up history and start spreading it. There is no Yoruba of Fulani ancestry that can be named Gambari in Yoruba land.
The British partitioned Nigeria wrongly and it was not a matter of who conquered who. Jebba had no jihad at all and no Fulani chief and it is North of Ilorin. Borgu is North of Ilorin and they were in alliance with the Alaafin. Ordinarily from Borgu down would have chosen to be grouped with Ibadan but the British did rubbish. Who conquered Okun in Kogi state? Who conquered Jebba, Borgu, Ebira or Igala?

hegelian:
which is why they are asking for deamalgamation...if you truly believe both have nothing in common, then you will support the action of these people...unless ofcourse you dont care and all you care about is the suffering of the people by hiding under yoruba this, igbo that

Most of them are not sure what they want

Chegesnd:
I was staff of a company that held key in the Food Sector.
By the time the company took loans with double digit interest to invest in massive food production, hoping to recoup it's investment and pay interest on loans, the govt. opens the boarder for massive Food importation.
Importation with near zero duty.
The price of Food (yet low quality) crashes below what the local Farmer can sell.
That's calamity for the farmer!

In such a case, what should be addressed is why farmers abroad can produce cheaper. There is no reason imported food should be more expensive than locally produced food. This current case is about over production. It affects cassava, onions and etc

nihinlade:
And who told you that the south westerners are not Christians? Some states in the south west have more Christians than several states on that other side. Please let's get this right. North is where these vultures are, the South West people too would love the divide but not the way the east are going about it.

The number of Yoruba christians is more than the total number of Igbos in the country.

Of the 9800 dollar millionaires in Nigeria 4800 are in Lagos

JagaLove:
Rubbish write up. For this country wey we dey farmers go sell at a loss? Dey play. I don't believe this cock and bull story. It's a sponsored attempt by an opposition party to cause unbelief among the people and still discredit the current administration. If food prices are getting cheaper, I believe reforms are working. There was even a prophecy to that effect by primate Ayodele himself. According to the prophecy, food will be cheap and available but cash will be scarce which is playing before our very eyes.

Sometimes the produce will go bad if they don't sell at a loss

UnknownQueen:
Abeg oo where do you buy garri #500, I'll like to know

One kg of garri in Osun is 500 or less. A kg is ten milk tins

nairalanda1:
Hehehe...12 billion dollars is not enough, even under good leadership.

You guys don't know why our country is in a bad state. It is because all your leaders, tinubu inclusive, do not want to do the hard job of development.

That's why I laugh at our politicals , including obi. And everyone else, including the secessionists. They all are not serious.

The point you don't see is that there is already an effort to stop oil dependency. Federal revenue last year was majority non oil and that has not happened in decades. We still have non oil revenue by states and local governments however small. Last year more than 65 percent of total government revenue from all government tiers must have been non oil

zoghys:
You made some point but I don't agree with you completely. The market is regulating itself, hence the policies by this government. I expect a forward decrease in prices of market produce especially with the importation of certain stable food to regulate the market. Some farmers are greedy, and they will pay the price.

Do you know what it means for garri to fall from 1200 to 400 to 500?. It is not easy for the farmers o. Government can also help by finding more use for cassava as this will increase the demand and keep up the price

As a farmer, if your primary or main market is very faraway from you then your best bet is to sell through a produce board. A farmers union can be in control of such a board in alliance with government and trading companies. It will cut out the expenses incurred by middle men who borrow money to trade and it will also offer the farmers a better bargaining power. All it needs is an understanding between the farmers and the government. It may be that a certain percentage of total sales must as a rule go to the farmers no matter what. This was the way the west African produce board was managed by the western region government of Nigeria. They buy or collect from farmers, make deals and sell, then come back to pay the farmers. It used to be a win win for all parties involved. The farmers, the merchants and the government.

Some produce from the North are sold more than double the price down South. The farmers can gain more if they sell through a produce board.

nairalanda1:
16 plus 18 plus 4 trillion naira equals 38 trillion naira, which is about.....27 billion dollars.

Divide the country into 3, each part gets somewhere around 9 billion dollars. That's not enough to even do a refinery like dangote (for the record, Dangote refinery cost over 10 billion dollars).

That's even the more reason why you all can't divide. Unless your new countries are ready to do what the danes do and collect half of everyone's income in taxes , and even then....

Damm, you guys don't get it. Nigeria is a broke ass nation.

If no Tinubu last year the country would have managed around 12 billion dollars and it would have survived.

GorillaApp:
Who dey even think of Una south South? Everytime, leave SS out! I'm proudly an Igbo man and never for once considered the south south as Biafra. The five SE state is enough. If any other Igbo-speaking region desire to join, then fine! If not, they should stay wherever they wish.
Let's stop this nonsense thinking that the Igbos want to annexe other tribes. That's what the north has imprinted in your mind. EOD

The present states were created by the military. They mean nothing. The regions were created by the British. They also mean nothing. There are traditional authorities over all lands

In other countries, the government do buy produce off farmers to keep the prices high enough. The produce is then destroyed. They can do that because government have a lot of money from taxes. In Nigeria, farmers are left to their fate and it is often scarcity followed by plenty. Low prices followed by high prices season after season. That has been the culture or practice in the country for years. It is also the natural way things are done since time immemorial

Zehdbe:
igbo ppl can never survive without nigeria and they know that. so it not about wanting biafra can you survive biafra

Why do you say that? They have seventy percent of the gas reserve in Nigeria if it is about natural resources. Everybody can and will do well

nairalanda1:
I know you won't be happy to hear this, but the reason why nigeria cannot divide peacefully is because of the nature of our economy, which is basically sharing the money at abuja.

If all the states were producing industrial goods and services, and had good transport links and were not relying on oil money, maybe I can hope for peaceful division. But that is the problem. All states rely on oil money, and division is going to trigger fight for oil money.

Plus all the advocates for division comes from the oppositon. Once upon a time tinubu when he was in oppositon was saying that Nigeria unity is problematic, now check out what he is saying.

And many of them biafra advocates, once it is election thime, they forget about biafra...and start chanting Nigeria.

It's all about sharing money, which is why any division will end in tears. See Sudan and South Sudan. Even me thought the division was for the best. Instead both of them are in crisis, North sudan essentially is a fight for resources between the army and RSF and also between Arabs and Dafuri, and South sudan is a big fight for oil control between one big tribe and another big tribe.

LIke I said, you can say I am talking garbige...but the problem with division is simple. Not one of the parts of nigeria can stand on their own without oil. Until they can do that, forget about it.

Last year oil revenue was 16 trillion. VAT and CIT was 18 trillion customs 4 trillion. If the country breaks up, you collect your VAT and CIT by yourself. Tinubu already has the tax collectors working in different States. I expect this year's revenue will not be more than twenty percent oil and gas. It will however help if like Lagos all states go after PAYE.

Nwaikpe:
You are still missing the point.

The term "university" is not a name for "another tertiary institution." A DEGREE is not just a certificate given to ADULTS that have passed through an institution that is more respected than other tertiary institutions.

The police academy is an academy that trains adults in respect to security. So also the defense academy. A graduate of one of them can grow to become a commissioner, because in that line of profession, that is the rank within. In the other, a person can grow to become a lieutenant colonel because that is the rank in the institution. Because the policemen are adults and have undergone supposedly the same training and are jealous of the army, they can never wake up one day and say, Since we are adults, can't we now grow to become majors, captains, colonels, and generals?" That is because they have very different functions. Some trainers in the police academy are retired soldiers. They lecture there but still will never rise to become generals because they feel like they too are training adult armed men, as in the defense academy.

Stop equating oranges with apples.

If you want a degree, go through the rigor of the admission process and training of the university.
If you want a postgraduate degree, go through the rigor of the postgraduate training and research of the university.
If you want to be a professor, go through the rigor of joining and competing with the academics in the university.
If you want a PhD, go to a university.

I know some people working in polys and colleges of education with more published works than the average Professor but they can't be given the rank because they are not in a university. It is simply wrong and a waste of human resources. If your o level is complete tell me how it can be justified to compel you to do a HND instead of a degree. That is what presently is the case. HND should continue but it should only be for those who want it or those who don't qualify for degrees. If MIT in the US can be doing research and awarding degrees then there is no reason why Yabatech or poly Ibadan should not. They have everything or what do you think they are lacking? Universities are awarding degrees and diplomas. It should be the same for polys

Nwaikpe:
Good.

Now you clearly agree that you don't know the meaning of "polytechnic."

Because I teach in a secondary school, having a degree shouldn't mean that I should be able to carry out degree (postgraduate) awarding research in the secondary school. That is because degrees are awarded only in universities.
Because I teach in a college of education, having a degree shouldn't mean that I should be able to carry out degree (postgraduate) awarding research in the college of education. That is because degrees are awarded only in universities.

A university can never commission you into the Army. A depot can never commission you into the army. Only the Defense Academy can do so through the authority of the presidency. So also, no institution can award a DEGREE, only a university, through the authority of the Senate council.

As you can never become a lieutenant general while working in the university, because that is a rank in the army profession, so also you can NEVER become a professor outside a university. A professor is not just a "teacher" as translated directly. It is a rank in the UNIVERSITY. A degree is not just a certificate after completing learning in any tertiary institution. It is an award that only a university can give.

Know the difference.

A polytechnic is not a university. It is just a tertiary institution like others. It is a training institution that offers a diploma to certify that you have undergone training. A university awards a degree for passing through its system.

The students in secondary and primary schools are children while poly students are adults. They write final year projects too. There is no reason why polys should not be awarding degrees if the o level requirement of the student is complete by the end of the ond. If not complete then they can do an advanced diploma or HND. A poly is a community of scholars. It is basically a university and same applies to colleges of education. They should have post graduate schools, MSc holders, PhDs and Professors. They already have everything required by way of human resources. HND should only be for those who don't qualify to do a degree or for those who want it. Universities already award diplomas, there is therefore nothing strange in polys and colleges of education awarding degrees so far the entry requirements are thesame

Nwaikpe:
Do you even know what a Polytechnic is?

If you do, then I bet you don't know what postgraduate degrees, research, and degrees are.

If you do, you wouldn't have related a Polytechnic with Research, in any way.

If people have degrees and are teaching in a poly but can not become Professors then that's a waste of human resources or isn't it? How can you have hundreds of graduates teaching in a poly who can not do research? I don't support that. MIT by its name is a poly and it is awarding degrees and people do research there