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There are over 3000 power plants in the USA. In Nigeria there are less than thirty. To develop as a Nigerian city you need your own power plant like Aba

Islander23:
.....are you saying the Benin invaded Lagos and they moved the palace because of that....Yeah

If that happened it will be recorded in history and the name of the war will be well known. Lagos island is very small and far from Benin and it can't be held by force by Benin. I doubt they had the logistics to invade the place since it would have had to be by the sea. Then how do you explain the fact that the Awo that established the town was an Ijesa man?.

Islander23:
first& foremost,I am a pure Yoruba man&I can't distort historical facts so back to the discussion, it has a whole lot to do with it because the main Oba of Lagos"s palace was situated at present day Ido...it was due to the war that it was moved to its present location...

You are saying it was because of the British expedition against Benin that they moved the palace in Lagos island?. Or are you saying the Benin invaded Lagos and they moved the palace because of that? I don't really understand you

Christistruth00:
What I read was that Ogedengbe was angry at Benin supplying Firearms to Ibadan that he and the EkitiParapo were fighting against and so he turned on Benin for doing so

Are you sure that the Ijesa were not under the Ibadan at that time? I know that at one point Ibadan gave Ogedengbe the go ahead to go on expeditions. Ibadan already took territory from Benin by way of Akure and etc and they were not likely to be allies. The year I think was in the 1870s. It was a few years before Kiriji war broke out that Ogedengbe was in Benin territory

If they were separate countries they would collect VAT on their telcos and banking services by themselves

Christistruth00:
Thank you!!!!
It was Oba of Benin’s begging and pleading that pacified Ogedengbe and the EkitiParapo Army from taking over Benin.
They went back to fighting Ibadan instead
Ogedengbe invaded parts of Benin but not Benin City itself

Accounts say an alliance was negotiated. Ogedengbe could not have acted without the go ahead of Ibadan because as at then the civil war had not yet broken out. The expedition was on behalf of Ibadan obviously.

honesttalk21:
You've given no proof that Muhammad pbuh followed Christianity. Saying that knowing about Jesus makes someone a Christian doesn't work and that would mean every historian who studies Jesus is automatically Christian. You also shared a vague memory without any source, a Quora link about where a name comes from, and a made-up claim about what academics agree on, which doesn’t exist. All this shows you don’t have any real evidence.

Get proper reference and suspend further claims until you actually have.

Mohammed did not just know about Jesus. He accepted Jesus. A historian studying history is not the same as believers.

Islander23:
at least you &I weren't born as that time...but we solely rely on research... that's why I gave a snippet of what you should research about...Benin punitive expedition of February 1897

But the Benin punitive expedition have nothing to do with Lagos island being discussed. Benin had no influence in Lagos to be diminished as at 1897.

Islander23:
you are right about this but the British were not fully grounded,this main expedition caused the fall of Benin empire...the British had to invade Benin to diminish their influence &power

No the British did not cause the fall of the Benin empire. There was no Benin empire in 1897. The last person that collected tribute in Benin was Balogun Ogedengbe of Ijesa who did so on behalf of Ibadan before the Yoruba civil war broke out. Ogedengbe is well known throughout the Delta, Edo states. Which city was tributary to Benin in 1897? It is wrong history to say the British truncated the Benin empire with one so called punitive expedition. The British were not able to suppress the Anioma for over thirty years

Islander23:
..Answer to the name of the war-British punitive expedition,year-1897...cause-Succession claims to the throne by the different factions of the locals

You said Benin invaded Lagos. I asked for the details of that particular war. The war you are talking about must have happened more than a century before 1897

Islander23:
it was simply because of Benin empire invasion albeit did you know the present day "Eyin Igbeti"?

What is the name of the war? During the reign of which King? Remember also that invading Lagos island from Benin would not have been a small undertaking. They will need to come through the sea. If there was war, the locals would have had it in their history. Any confrontation with the local Aworis would have seen Lagos island swept into the sea

Sheuns:
The word “Yoruba” originated from the Fulani word Yoruba in the 16th century. Yoruba was used to refer to the people of Oyo by the Fulanis.

Oduduwa myth was before 16th century and Oduduwa was father to the very first Alaafin who lords over Oyo town.

There were literally no settled Fulani in the sixteenth century at least in the Nigerian area. Yoruba as a word came from the Songhai empire who learnt the word from Muslims and the word was originally Europa before it was corrupted to Yoruba. It used to mean people who were civilized without submitting to Islam. Europe was Christian yet civilized. The word originally meant west in the original Phoenician to refer to Europe. The Muslims got the word from Phoenicia originally. In west Africa, it meant people to the South who wouldn't submit to islam

honesttalk21:
I should respond fully to you but will hold because you fail to do what wouldn't necessitate all this talk. Where is the proof Muhammad pbuh was once a Christian then broke or branched off?

Saying Muhammad was a Christian name is a spectacular leap from zero evidence but saying you once read about a Byzantine Christian of same name without a reference is not proof. Muhammad praiseworthy in Arabic and is not a baptism name. What will it have meant in any of the Byzantine languages?

Your Quora link discusses name etymology, not proof Muhammad practiced Christianity.

The proof that Mohammed was a Christian is that he believed in Jesus prophethood, virgin birth and etc. When Mohammed was born, that was only possible if you are a Christian.

I can't find what I read about the Byzantine Christian again but in the Quora link I provided, someone talked about an Arab Christian named Mohammed that was martyred over 100 years before Mohammed was born. That maybe the same man whose quote I read. Read the link again. What evidence again do you need?
Any academic observer will come to the conclusion that Mohammed was converted by Christians. It is only difficult for indoctrinated and ardent Muslims.

Islander23:
Why was the palace moved to the present location from Ido

I have no idea

Jamie248:
Dude, palm oil did not become an item of trans-Atlantic trade until the late nineteenth century

Palm oil was known in Europe from the 15th century. It became highly sought after for industries from around 1807

https://dialogue.earth/en/food/red-gold-a-history-of-palm-oil-in-west-africa/0

honesttalk21:
Holding extremely strong to your fallacy despite it faulted repeatedly? It is an unquestionable fact that Christians have committed violence in the name of Jesus which demonstrates that worship can lead to violence, and political murders indicate that people can also kill for secular reasons thus, violence does not uniquely apply to Islam or prove its distinctiveness. Asserting that Muhammad pbuh is the most idolized ever is factually incorrect, as figures like Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna have been revered for centuries; personal bias does not constitute evidence.

The miracles attributed to Muhammad pbuh are granted by God's permission, similar to those of Moses or Elijah. Miracles alone do not imply divinity or worship. In the seventh century, Christianity was not a level playing field. By the 2nd to 4th centuries, the divinity of Christ and his sacrificial death were already central beliefs, and those who denied them were marginalized. Islam did not reform Christianity but rather rejected its foundational beliefs.
The notion of a peaceful world before conversion is historically inaccurate as civilizations like Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, and Israel engaged in violent expansion long before the advent of Christianity or Islam. You are not correcting historical facts; you are altering them to support a thesis that the evidence does not back up. I have long asked you for direct not speculative proof that Muhammad pbuh was first a Christian or such convert before branching off to form Islam. Just do that and end this back and forth over your illusive fantasy.

Today there is no set of central beliefs that is common to all Christian sects despite that the world is a global village. How much more in the world of the seventh century?.Despite the agreement at Nice, there would still have been groups that continued to do their thing just as it is today.
A proof that Mohammed was a Christian is that there was a Mohammed a Christian in the Byzantine empire who I have once read about. What this means is that Mohammed is probably a Christian baptismal name that was adopted by the Prophet of Islam. I hope you know that Mohammed was not his original name? The only other Mohammed I have heard of was a Byzantine Christian. I read a quote from him that I can not remember now

If you say Mohammed is not the most idolized person ever, he would still be among the first three but I think considering all the daily rituals involving billions of people that he is associated with, he should be number one


This is a thread I found discussing the origin of the name Mohammed on Quora


https://www.quora.com/Was-there-anyone-named-Mohammed-before-the-prophet-of-Islam

Before conversions started, the only reasons nations fought wars was for territory. We had no reasons to fight or hate each other over God. There was therefore peace in that respect unlike now

MaxInDHouse:
If your ifá had foresight it should have known that failure to address necessary issues will later render it useless before the coming generation.
Today you keep complaining about religion as if that's the only problem of mankind whereas spirituality that's useless is the real problem!

A body of knowledge can not have foresight. Ifa is getting larger and stronger all over the world. You can't know it and abandon it. It can never be rendered useless.
I write about religion and I also write about other challenges I believe the world is facing. Have you gone through my posts? If you have done that you will not say I think religion is the only problem of mankind

honesttalk21:
When you look from a historical, religious, and logical point of view there are so many problems with your arguments

First, violence over insults to figures from past times is not something unique to Islam. Christians have executed people for insulting Jesus, like Servetus, Bruno, and Aikenhead. During the French Revolution, people were killed for disrespecting important political symbols. Communist regimes murdered millions for not respecting their Marxist icons. Using violence to defend honor is a human behavior across different groups, not just Islam.

Second, showing respect is not the same as worship. Muslims do not pray to Muhammad pbuh, treat him like a god, or believe he has divine powers. Protecting symbols too strictly might be wrong, but it is not worship. If you say it is, then flags, constitutions, or national heroes would also be worshipped, which doesn’t make sense.

Third, rejecting the Trinity does not mean Islam is a branch of Christianity. Christianity is defined by beliefs about who Jesus is and how salvation works. Islam clearly denies Jesus’ divinity, his sacrifice on the cross, and his resurrection, which are the main ideas in Christianity. Even Christians who don’t believe in the Trinity still focus on salvation through Christ, but Islam does not. This shows Islam is outside, not part, of Christianity.

Fourth, sharing religious figures doesn’t mean sharing the same religion. Judaism and Christianity have some prophets in common, but they are different religions. Christianity includes Jewish scripture but is not Judaism. In the same way, Islam honors Jesus as a prophet, but that doesn’t make it Christian.

The common sense does not rule out religion. Religion is about believing in things within and beyond the material world, having moral guidance, and following spiritual practices. Since you accept moral teachings and spiritual practices, that means you are talking about religion, even if you aren’t trying to convert people.

To sum up, you mix up shared history with shared identity, respect with worship, and moral thinking with not being religious. None of these mix-ups hold up to serious thought.

I have pointed out that you can't use killings over Jesus as an example because Christians agree Jesus is worshipped. I also don't know why you insist on using political killings that has nothing to do with the spiritual.
Then if you don't agree Mohammed is worshipped will you agree he is idolized? There is nobody in history more idolized than Mohammed.
Muslims believe Mohammed has divine powers like splitting the moon and etc. You are wrong to say they don't
You were not there in the seventh century to know the kinds of Christian sects that existed and their doctrines. There were various kinds just like today.
Yes The first Christians were Jews. It was at the beginning a kind of reform Judaism that did not fly with the majority of Jews. It is the same way between Christianity and Islam. Islam is reform Christianity, Mormon church is reform Christianity and etc.

The word religion does not matter. Converting people to spiritual paths is a new thing that started with Christianity and that continued with Islam. In the past, it was not done by anybody and there was peace on Earth. That is what I am talking about. All the so called prophets of religion that existed before Islam and Christianity did not convert anybody. They respected the spiritual paths of others. They obviously were not Muslims in that respect but they get labelled wrongly

Islander23:
This historical fiction should be discarded because even the old palace of Lagos was situated around present day Ido... Kingship has been widely in existence before the invasion... Lagos is purely Yorubaland

There was no invasion. Lagos island started as a venture to export palm oil. The land was granted by the Awori and the investors were the Ijesa and the Benin. They were to produce two foremen each but the Ijesa gave their slot to the Portuguese. The Benin produced the supervisor that became the King. The priest that sanctified and established the town was Ijesa. When the first King died, they made the son of the Ijesa priest the king. That was Ologunkutere. However the Benin that came to Lagos were Yoruba speaking Benin unlike now that the Benin no longer speak Yoruba.

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Sonnobax15:

Congratulations bro..

Start from there.

And please make sure you steer clear from anything that will have to do with Nigerian bannies Cuz drawing close to those entities at this point of your life may likely annoy God

I'm speaking from experience tho .

He can still meet someone. At 46 he can't be waiting for money before finding a partner. Not everybody is destined to be financially buoyant before marrying. Some men will be helped by their wives. Don't base everything on money

MaxInDHouse:
Were they selling whites or blacks as slaves?😂

Why are you not asking the same question about slavery in other places? Are all black people the same?

MaxInDHouse:
Lies!
Blacks were kidnapping their brothers and selling them as slaves!


So how come blacks are the ones sold as slaves nah?🙂

Bible has dates so if you don't know ask!😀

You don't know your own history. For instance, no Ijebu person was ever sold into slavery on the coast controlled by the Ijebu. Any Ijebu sold into slavery would have been through Calabar and etc. No Ibadan army ever raided a town under Ibadan. This is simple logic. The Ijesa did not raid their own people. The Dahomey did not raid their own people. The Fulani did not raid their own people. When the Oyo controlled the slave coast for centuries most of the human cargo were Northern Muslims. They raided only enemies and opponents as would be expected and not their own people.
Bible dates are only estimates. You can never get specific dates for most events. When even did the Gregorian calendar become widespread?. Then again you don't need dates to validate history. You don't need the exact date the Kiriji war broke out before you accept the fact

Blacks are not the only ones sold as slaves! Most slaves in the Ottoman empire were Europeans. Stop the wrong narrative

honesttalk21:
Violence over insults to long-dead figures happens in many belief systems. In medieval times, Christians executed people for blasphemy against Jesus, like Michael Servetus (1553) and Giordano Bruno (1600). During the French Revolution, people were killed for disrespecting revolutionary heroes. Communist regimes also killed millions decades to centuries after these ideologists for straying from the ideas of Marx, Lenin, or Mao. Violence tied to honor is a human problem, not something unique to Islam.

Your argument about the Trinity contradicts itself. If groups that don’t believe in the Trinity are still called Christian, then the Trinity can’t be what defines Christianity. But if not the Trinity, then what does? Islam rejects Jesus’ divinity, his death that saves, and his resurrection these are at the heart of Christianity. Just sharing respect for Jesus as a prophet doesn’t make two religions the same any more than Christianity’s use of the Torah makes it Judaism.

Saying common sense means no religion is wrong. Religion involves beliefs about something beyond the physical world, a source of moral authority, and spiritual practices. You say you use spiritual practices and teach morals, which is religion without trying to convert others by the way am I trying to convert you? Confucianism, animism, and indigenous beliefs don’t try to bring others in, but they are still religious systems. You are following a religion even if you don’t call it that.

They killed people over Jesus but Christians don't argue that Jesus is not worshipped. You can't classify political killings and suppression of insurrection by governments in power with what Muslims do. It is not the same thing.

Trinity did not define Christianity. Jesus was not regarded as divine by all Christian sects until the conference that happened in Nice and even that conference could not have succeeded in harmonizing all of them.
When Mohammed was born. Only Jews and Christians knew about Jesus. Jews did not rate him. Christians revered him. Anybody that revered Jesus during the time of Mohammed was a Christian. There is no doubt he was converted to Christianity. It is not even debatable. Anybody in today's world that believes Mohammed is the last prophet is a Muslim. Belief in the virgin birth, prophethood, resurrection and etc is enough to classify Mohammed as a member of one of the numerous Christian sects that existed in the seventh century.

Before Christianity started, people have always believed in God, practiced divination and etc. They didn't have holy books that must be believed and they don't seek to convert anyone. I don't believe it is right to categorize what they do with what Christians and Muslims now do. Can you in all sincerity say they are the same?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they met your ifá people doing it nah? So they also engaged your people but they will not sell their own people as slaves because they care for their brothers it's when most black people has embraced their religion that they had to abolish slave trade.


So what is the usefulness of your oluwo when ifá adherents are selling their own brothers who are ifá worshipers as slaves?

That makes it lies if dates and places are not attached to the tales o!😟

Slavery was all over the world. Not peculiar to only Africa. The transatlantic slavery was from the West African coast to the Americas though. The Turks were still selling Europeans even after slavery was banned in the Americas. Don't make it as if only black people were sold as slaves. More Africans were sold across the Atlantic because the demand was for Africans. They survived better. The slavery in the Ottoman empire was in European slaves

There is nowhere in Africa where people were selling their members as slaves. They sold their opponents and adversaries.

The world is not divided into black people and white people. It is divided into nations.

Again the absence of dates in Ifa stories does not make them lies. There are no dates in Bible stories as well

MaxInDHouse:
So who are the people that abolished slave trade o?😂


So has your ifá done such a thing?


Brainwashed people who will never raise weapons against anyone are far better than your spiritualists who will be used as tools to exterminate one another!😀


You are lying because there is no name, place or date attached to your ifá tales!😀

Whatever fails unite its adherents globally is WORTHLESS!
Charity they say begins at home so before advertising your ifá we need to see what your ifá is able to achieve among its adherents!🙂

It was the British that ended the slave trade and they did it because of their economic interests mainly. Please stop crediting it to religion. The same British including their religious missions participated in the slave trade for centuries.

You don't know anything about Ifa. Ifa is united just like lawyers are united. Every community has an Araba and there is no Awo who does not have an Oluwo. They have a union just like the body of benchers

If there are no names and dates attached to ifa tales, it does not take anything away from the veracity. When ifa mentions someone by name, that is a real person and when it is philosophy you also know

MaxInDHouse:
Ifá is based on tales and myths so you can't talk about real people, events or places but the Bible talks about real people, events, places and dates so we must believe since it's real life events!🙂


So your spirituality is worthless since its unable to do such good things while your so called spiritualists failed!


You can't abolish something that is doing what is needed among it's adherents when your spirituality proved useless. Let your spirituality unite those adhering to it first and let everyone see the good work of your spirituality before calling for the abolishment of something far better than your worthless spirituality!🙂

Your religion is worthless too because it did not abolish slavery. You don't seem to understand that it is not the business of spirituality to abolish slavery. If you say ifa should unite people, that is like saying the legal profession, law or medicine should unite people. IFA can unite only the professionals that learn it. Religion brainwashes people to unite them. It is a cult. Easy to join, get killed if you try to leave, if not killed then hated. Ifa is an academic body and not a cult.

There is philosophy and real life event in Ifa. Maybe you think the characters mentioned in IFA stories are not real people. No they are. Many existed thousands of years before the characters in the Bible.

Ifa is a body of knowledge and know how. It is not worthless

State creation in Nigeria

The objective of state creation in Nigeria is to give autonomy to ethnic groups especially minorities. These groups had their autonomy before Nigeria and there is no reason they should be denied it because of Nigeria. That would not be fair.

There is no proposed state that is not viable. Grant them autonomy and let them sort themselves out.

A great impediment maybe the allocation of seats in the federal assembly. It is however possible to leave the federal assembly as it is for now and create states regardless. It must however be noted that the SW and the NW will lead the revolt against the current structure if taxes were being used to run the country because you can't pay thirty percent of the taxes and agree to take ten percent of the federal seats. This is not the USA. This is ethnic Nigeria.

It is only taxes that can be used to determine representation at the center and not income from natural resources and also, Nigerian oil resources is largely gotten offshore and the oceans actually should belong to all of humanity.

In my opinion, the country should divide and land owners should do with their lands whatever they want but even then in the new states that will emerge in the event of a disintegration, the federating units should still be states controlled by homogenous groups

MaxInDHouse:
Is there morals in your ifá?
If it's automatic then why is it taught as a subject in your ifá?


Before the whiteman came do your own people engage in slave trade?
So who are the people that abolished it?


So how come your spirituality refused to abolish it until the white announced it's abolishment?

Religion can unite humble people from all races and it has been achieved that is why the only true religion is going to all nations and making them disciples of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8

If you must know the true disciples of God's only begotten Son have settled their disparities peacefully among themselves, diverted their resources into production of food and information materials stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4
That is what REAL SPIRITUALITY should do not just inciting individuals to desperation!🙂

In Ifa morals is taught and it is not attached to beliefs. In religion, no matter how upright you are you are still inadequate if you don't believe the tales inside religion. Without believing the tales you can't be right with God.

The slave trade was not abolished because of religion but because of economic interests. The British and not white people in general abolished the slave trade not slavery. The British led the industrial revolution and it was in their interest to end the slave trade. Many other nations in Europe continued and the British had to be intercepting ships. Slavery still went on after the slave trade was abolished though it ended in many places. Then it is not the responsibility of any spirituality to form government policy. The abolition of slave trade is government policy. You can't credit the abolition of the slave trade to religion because it is just government policy.

No, religion can not unite people. Something that is irrational can not unite people because deep thinkers will revolt against it. People can only unite behind something that is rational. If you want any kind of unity on Earth then the first step is to abolish religion because the only thing religion does is divide.

honesttalk21:
Your definition of idolatry is so broad that it turns every memorial or national honor into an act of worship. The violence used to defend honor isn’t something unique to Islam it’s a human issue seen in many cultures, and it doesn’t prove that someone is being worshiped.

Having Muhammad pbuh as a middleman isn’t new even though he isn't. Christianity has Jesus as an eternal mediator, Catholics believe saints can intercede, and Judaism had the Levitical priests. Most religions that reveal divine messages have people who act as go-betweens. Even the traditional or religion of your ancestors go through intermediaries.

Islam can’t be considered a branch of Christianity when it rejects the Trinity, Christ’s divinity, the crucifixion, and the resurrection these are the main parts of Christianity. What core of it do you say it upholds? Sharing some elements doesn’t make religions branches if their core beliefs don’t line up.

Saying no religion while still believing in God and following ancestral practices is actually a religious stance itself. You’re not outside of religion discussions you’re involved, just coming to different conclusions

Apart from in Islam, can you give other instances where people were attacked and killed by mobs for insulting someone who died over a thousand years ago? Yes, excessive, memorial or national honor is worship. You can't put someone on such a high pedestal that Mohammed is put by Muslims and say it is not worship. What Catholics do with saints is worship. What the RCCG do with Adeboye is worship.

So belief in the Trinity is now how you determine if someone is Christian? Belief in the Trinity started after the Nice conference. There were many Christian groups before and after the Nice conference that do not believe in the Trinity. There are many Christian groups with diverse beliefs. Therefore Islam is just one of them. If you believe Jesus was a prophet, born of a virgin etc then you were converted by a Christian and are a Christian

You say I have religion? If you rely on common sense you have no religion. You only preach morals and don't attempt to convert anyone. How is that religion? You use methodology to access the spiritual. That is knowhow and not religion

MaxInDHouse:
Spirituality can't be complete without conversion!
It was when people are used to this your consultation of spiritualists that they were selling their own brothers as slaves yet your spirituality couldn't stop it back then it was conversion that led to the abolishment of slave trade globally.
So stop deceiving yourself something must bring people together throughout the world to become one global family call it whatever you like but there is no spirituality greater than what can unite people of all races and make them stop hating, fighting and killing themselves when we all know that there is nothing we brought to this world neither can we take anything out of it.
Your false spirituality can't do anything good for the human race other than complicating issues the more as each of you keeps seeking his own glory leaving everyone to become desperados!

Morality is universal. You don't need religion to have morals. If you don't have morals, what you need is empathy and not religion. Morals can and should be taught without mixing it up with religion. There has always been morals. It was not religion that brought morals. Morals existed before threat became the tool to be used to coerce belief.

What led to the abolition of slave trade is that the slave trade was impeding other trade.
The slave trade was not compatible with the industrial era. Religionists were deeply involved in the slave trade. It was not conversion that led to the abolition of the slave trade.

Slavery in the past was practiced worldwide and it served as a means of accounting for everyone with no one left behind. Right now, the current system don't account for everyone. We have the unemployed.

Can religion unite everybody? No. Because deep thinkers will always reject it. Mind you there was unity on Earth before religion and they only fought wars over territory. With religion, wars over God became a thing. To have that unity back, we have to do away with religion

aariwa:
Hahaha Yoruba indeed. Babangida was forced out by Abacha because according to a Tell magazine published in 1992 he had a blood oath pact with Abacha to hand overpower to him because Abacha was the one that crushed the April 22nd 1990 coup . He has alluded to this severally even in a recent interview 3 months ago. Obasanjo was given power because Abacha died, Clinton was pressuring Abdulsalam to conduct elections. The atmosphere in Nigeria then was to replicate what Rawlings did on corrupt military officers in ghana on Nigerian corrupt generals so Abdulsalam and IBB saw Obasanjo as someone who would cover and not probe them for stealing. Obasanjo was choice of Nigerian corrupt generals nothing more nothing less or have you forgotten how diya, taju olarewaju, Adisa etc knelt down are were crying like girls before Abacha? The 1997 video is also on YouTube too

You are only comforting yourself. You are believing what you want to believe. Babangida was forced out by pro democracy activists led by the Yoruba and he put a Yoruba Shonekan to placate the Yoruba. Shonekan is a former head of state because of that.

So you think it was not because the whole country conceded the Presidency to the Yoruba to avoid war that Obasanjo became President?.Obj was not Yoruba choice but he was the beneficiary of the concession. How do you think Abacha died? I bet you think he died naturally. Keep consoling yourself and keep believing what you want to believe.
It is human to beg for mercy if you are cornered. There is no big deal in that. There is no big deal in what Diya did. We all have one life to live. He did not have any personal beef with Abacha. There are many other Yoruba who willingly sacrificed themselves in a honorable way. They are prominent in Nigerian history.
Yoruba have been in opposition since the beginning of Nigeria until now. They have never been in charge of the armed forces. Give anybody, even a fool guns and they can become conquerors. Without guns Yoruba have won wars. Before the British joined us together, what did your own people achieve on their own for you to be bad mouthing the Yoruba? Where do you come from sef?