honesttalk21: Your assertion that Muhammad pbuh was converted by Christians or just a Christian is totally untrue and doesn't hold water historically. There's no real evidence suggesting he ever practiced Christianity or went through any kind of conversion from it. Islamic texts portray him as a monotheist in a society full of polytheism, not as someone who used to be Christian and then started a new religion. Saying that accepting the virgin birth and Jesus as a prophet makes him a Christian is a huge stretch. By that logic, anyone who respects Jesus would automatically be a Christian which makes the definition so broad it loses all meaning. Christianity has some core, non-negotiable beliefs which are Christ's divinity, his sacrifice for sins, and his resurrection. Islam has rejected all three of these from the very beginning. Muhammad pbuh didn't break away from Christianity because he was never part of it to begin with. If just sharing a few beliefs makes religions the same, then Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholics would be the same religion.
Your claim about pre-Islamic Arabian writings mentioning Abraham falls apart when you bring up the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is from Mesopotamia, not Arabia, and existed centuries before Abraham. This shows a basic misunderstanding between Sumerian (Iraqi) and Arabian cultures. If you have tons"of pre-Islamic Arabian texts, you should name them specifically instead of vaguely pointing to stuff from completely different civilizations.
The idea that Muhammad wasn't persecuted by Christians is irrelevant when it comes to classifying religions. Mormons weren't universally persecuted by Christians either, but they're still considered a distinct religion. Persecution doesn't define theological boundaries doctrine does. Islam's clear rejection of Christianity's core beliefs makes it a separate religion, regardless of whether Christians helped early Muslims or whether Muhammad pbuh ever encountered Christian teachings.
You don't understand. Jesus was a Jew. Jews believed he was a nonentity, a vagabond. Anybody in the seventh century of Mohammed that believed Jesus was born of a virgin and was God's prophet was a Christian at one point. I hope you get it now. If you believe Mohammed is the last Prophet, how were you not a Muslim at one point? How were you not converted by Muslims? Mesopotamia is Iraq and those are the ancestors of Arabs. Sumerians are Arab ancestors. There are other Arab ancestors and there are no Arab ancestors that have tradition of Abraham.
Mormons will not argue like you are doing now that their founder was not a Christian
Yoruba customary law is vastly superior to Islam in all respect. Since Yoruba Muslims like Sharia, why are they not marrying their cousins since it is allowed by Sharia?
pek: I agree with you to an extent. But Moslems in Yoruba land can't be said to be insignificant! They are even more in some parts and in some states like Oyo, they determine the status quo
They are balanced out by their rivals the Christians. As they say 'Were la fi nwo were' Madness can only be cured with madness
If a state governor refuses to conduct local government elections then it will be wrong for the Presidency to release local government funds to such a government since it is undermining democracy. Osun however has conducted a local government election though it was boycotted by the APC. I think the election was conducted after the governor got a court injunction that purportedly invalidated the election conducted by the outgone Governor Oyetola.
The fault presently is with the judiciary and not the Osun state government. Let the judiciary say in clear words which of the two local government elections held already is valid. Why is it difficult for the court to do this?
My own opinion is that the PDP and others are not justified to boycott the Gov Oyetola election just because he was on his way out. The Nigerian constitution does not say a Governor that lost election can not conduct local government election. It can however be possible to sue him and claim damages because he did not conduct the elections earlier.
In my opinion the so called Yes or No chairmen are the legitimate chairmen. However it is the courts that have the final say.
Since the present Governor Adeleke has conducted elections then the funds seized by the Presidency should be released to his government while the other party goes to court.
Edusouls: USA is owing 34trillion dollars in debts, mind you they can't pay it off, they spend almost 1trillon a year in military budgets yearly alone, don't mind all these hyped company values, the real economy is jobs and manufacturing which has left the USA to China, when you owe you don't have money folks, no wonder they now go on Broaday light robbery of oil in Venezuela, all these gen z here shouting and praising USA you people we're not born yet when they were at their peak , their glorious days are gone forever
The USA is owing over seventy percent of it's debts to US citizens and institutions not foreign entities. The US is still leading in innovation and the source of new wealth is innovation and new markets. When everything is evened up, the only two countries that will be ahead of the US is India and China because of their local market. The US will still continue to be the most competitive big country
gidgiddy: You are not ashamed of your self? You are here talking about population when small countries like Singapore with a population of just 6 million people, has a bigger GDP than all of Nigeria
Igbos and Yorubas have no business being together in the same country
What are the Igbos basing their arguments on if not population?
No You can't. The worst that can happen is people going voluntarily to Sharia panels. What is happening in Northern Nigeria can't happen in Yoruba land because of insufficient number of Muslims
AntiChristian: Give us your proofs? These rants are just all barks and no bites!
Torah stories inside the Koran is not proof enough for you? If you see Oduduwa stories inside the Koran, will you need proof of where Mohammed got it from?
Kobojunkie: . I get your argument. There remain over 46,000 different Christian sects even to this day. 🥱🥱
Also, Mohammed did set himself as a replacement for Jesus Christ in his Quran, though. ➜Mohammedians literally pray to Mohammed 5 times every day during their Salats(Shahadas) — he is dead, but they still call on him to provide for them intercession so Allah will hear their prayers. He literally presented himself as a go-between for all muslims to reach Allah. (Muslims cannot be heard by Allah unless they first pray to Mohammed.) ➜ Mohammed is expected to sit on a throne next to Allah, in some way taking the place of Jesus in the Christian myths.
honesttalk21: Demanding Arab scriptures is a bit of a misstep. Pre-Islamic Arabia relied on spoken word, not written texts. You really don't know? Just because there aren't written records doesn't mean there were no traditions. If that were the case, we'd have to say most ancient peoples had no history, which isn't true.
We actually have accounts from outside sources. Christian, Jewish, and Byzantine writers before Islam mention Arabs identifying as Ishmaelites, practicing circumcision, and claiming descent from Abraham. Even Jewish scripture mentions Ishmael's twelve princes and recognizes his descendants as distinct groups (Genesis 25; Psalm 83). To say there are no known descendants goes against both your own Bible and historical records.
Regarding Jesus; believing he was a prophet and born of a virgin doesn't automatically make someone a Christian. Christianity hinges on the concepts of divinity, crucifixion, resurrection, and atonement. Islam clearly rejects all of those. Agreeing on a couple of points while disagreeing on the core beliefs doesn't mean you belong to the same religion.
Christianity separated from Judaism despite sharing prophets, and Islam breaks away from Christianity in a similar way. Just because they share some figures doesn't mean they're the same religion.
Your argument doesn't hold up because it asks for written proof from a culture that prioritized oral tradition,overlooks historical accounts from external sources,and confuses surface-level agreement with true theological alignment.
That's not really evidence, it's more like trying to bend the rules. It's special pleading.
So you now agree that Islam broke away from Christianity? Just the same way the Mormon church and the JW broke away. I want you to realize that Mohammed accepted the doctrine of the virgin birth and Jesus' prophethood from Christians. He was converted by Christians!
We can say the first Christians were dissident Jews because they were actually hunted down and persecuted by Jews but Mohammed was just a Christian. His acceptance of Jesus as a prophet and belief in the virgin birth makes him so and there was no time he was persecuted by Christians. He was infact helped and supported by Christians
There are many pre Islamic writing from Arabia. Tonnes of it. The epic of Sumer is one. None mentions Abraham or Ishmael. There is no Torah story in any
honesttalk21: Simple application of basic understanding of history and logical consistency has your arguments crumbled.
Abraham was never exclusively owned by the Jews. Jewish scripture itself states that Ishmael, Abraham's own son, was blessed, destined to multiply, and become a great nation (Genesis 16-17). Pre-Islamic Arabs traced their ancestry back to Ishmael, and Byzantine and Syriac Christian writers recorded Arabs identifying themselves as Ishmaelites, centuries before Islam even emerged. Abraham was a patriarch figure shared across Semitic traditions, not the sole property of one ethnic group.
Yes, Christianity did originate as a Jewish sect and that fact completely undermines your point. Christianity separated from Judaism by discarding Jewish law and fundamentally redefining the nature of God. Islam does something similar with Christianity but didn't separate from it. It acknowledges Jesus, but pointedly rejects core tenets like the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, and the concept of Atonement. These aren't minor quibbles; they are fundamental contradictions. A belief system that denies the very foundations of Christianity cannot logically be Christianity itself.
Simply believing in Jesus's status as a prophet and his virgin birth doesn't make someone a Christian otherwise, Jews would also be Christians. Christianity is fundamentally defined by the divinity of Jesus, his crucifixion, and his resurrection. Islam explicitly denies all three.
The assertion that Muhammad pbuh was somehow converted by Christians is pure speculation, lacking any real evidence. The Qur'an contains criticisms of both Jews and Christians and outright rejects the central doctrines of Christianity. If Islam were simply a Christian sect, it wouldn't dismantle the core of Christian theology.
Your argument relies on a blatant double standard. Christianity is granted the right to diverge from Judaism and still be considered distinct but Islam is denied the same right to diverge from Christianity. That's not history; it's simply biased reasoning.
Shared prophets do not equal a shared religion. Abraham existed long before Judaism. Islam rejects the defining beliefs of Christianity.
Islam is a distinct Abrahamic faith just as Christianity is distinct from Judaism.
You say Jewish scriptures, show me Arab scriptures mentioning Abraham or Ishmael. Ishmael is a man mentioned in the Torah who according to the Torah lived and died among millions of unknowns in the Egypt Palestine area thousands of years ago. No known descendants
Yes if Jews believed in Jesus' virgin birth and prophethood, they would be effectively Christians but they don't. I am surprised you don't know
honesttalk21: Lawani a derivation from moonlight or is it chief. The foundation of your argument crumbles with even a basic understanding of history.
Recognizing shared prophets doesn't make something a sect. Islam views earlier prophets as part of a continuous Abrahamic tradition, not as something derived from Christianity. Following your reasoning, Christianity would be a sect of Judaism knowing Jesus was Jewish, taught from the Hebrew scriptures, and the first Christians were Jews themselves. Either apply your standard consistently or discard it.
The claim that only Jews and Christians had these stories is simply untrue. Arabia maintained its own Abrahamic oral traditions (Abraham, Ishmael, the Kaaba). Moreover, Arabia was home to Jewish tribes, Syriac Christians, Hanifs, had contact with Ethiopia, and a widespread system of oral storytelling. Similar narratives don't automatically mean direct borrowing of texts.
The concepts of virgin birth and prophethood are not unique to Christianity. Miraculous births appear well before Christianity (Isaac, Samuel, John - the Baptist). Accepting Jesus as a prophet while simultaneously rejecting his divinity, crucifixion, the Trinity, and the atonement is an anti-Christian theological stance, not that of a Christian sect.
Saying there's no other way is just arguing from a place of ignorance. Other possibilities exist.
An independent Arabian monotheism (the Hanifs) Cultural contact from multiple sources Religious synthesis Or the Islamic claim of direct revelation (which you can reject, but you can't historically disprove).
The comparison to Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses is a false analogy. These groups are centered on Christ and build upon Christian doctrine. Islam directly refutes Christianity's central tenets (the Trinity, Incarnation, Crucifixion). That's not building upon Christianity; it's contradicting it.
Shared cultural practices don't demonstrate derivation. Islam asserts it's restoring Abrahamic rites, and Christianity itself adopted pagan calendars and customs. By this logic, Christianity would also be invalidated.
So shared roots doesn't mean a sect. Neither does shared stories translate to conversion. Nor rejecting core doctrines equal perfect continuation. Saying no other way is not evidence.
Islam is not a sect of Christianity. It is a distinct Abrahamic religion that competes with, corrects, and contradicts Christian theology. You're free to reject Islam theologically, but calling it a Christian sect is historically and logically indefensible.
Abraham is the property of Jews and your notion that anybody apart from Jews originally knew about Abraham is wrong. It is like saying some other people knew about Oduduwa without hearing the story from the Yoruba or some people knew about King Arthur without hearing of him from the British. Abraham is the property of Jews. Always remember that. No tradition of Abraham among Arabs originally. The first Christians were all Jews. So Christianity was infact a dissident Jewish sect at the beginning before they started admitting Gentiles. Emphasis on dissident. Islam on its part is not dissident Christianity but Christianity itself. You can't believe in Jesus' prophethood and his virgin birth in the first century and say you are not a Jesus follower. Mohammed was converted by a Christian sect after which he added his own tribal practices to it to form Islam.
Note Mohammed wasn't converted by Jews but by Christians
Kobojunkie: 1. Mohammed's tales are fables he cobbled together about the Jewish and Injeel traditions that existed around his time. 🥱🥱
2. Mohammed believed in someone whose teachings he never once attempted to emulate. Mohammed believed so much that he confused the mother of Jesus with the sister of Aaron? Well, yeah, Mohammed could indeed have been part of a Christian sect. 😏11
3. Glad you didn't say he accepted Jesus Christ of Israel, as the Christians love to mouth on about doing. 🤔
Yeah, Mohammed is indeed no different from those you listed there. Sadly, he was able to capture the Arabs in the way he did with his many co-opted tales that prove nothing about him other than that he was good at the fraud that is religion.
He in a way accepted Christ because he acknowledged him as a prophet. He however did not acknowledge him as God. It was in the convention at Nice that early Christian leaders decided to accept the divinity of Christ. In the beginning there were many Christian sects that did not accept Jesus Christ as God. It must have been a sect that did not accept Christ as God that preached to him in Arabia
AntiChristian: Do you have proof he heard the details about them elsewhere?
If you present someone's work as your original work in academic circles then you are courting jail. The court will not accept your argument that you got it from God
AntiChristian: 1. Distinct Origins and Revelation A. Islam presents itself as a distinct and final revelation from God (Allah) through the Prophet Muhammad, not as a sect or offshoot of Christianity or Judaism. The Quran explicitly states that it confirms and corrects previous scriptures but is a new, independent revelation (Quran 5:48). B. The Quran challenges Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity (Quran 4:171; 5:73), which shows a clear theological divergence rather than mere adoption. C. The Quran also rejects the idea of Jesus as the Son of God and emphasizes strict monotheism (Tawhid), which is fundamentally different from Christian beliefs.
2. Historical and Theological Differences A. While Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet and accepts the virgin birth (Quran 3:45-47), it rejects his divinity and crucifixion, which are central to Christian faith. B. The Quran’s narratives about biblical figures often differ in details and emphasis, indicating independent sources or oral traditions rather than direct borrowing. C. The presence of Jewish and Christian communities in Arabia at the time of Muhammad does not imply that Islam originated as a sect of Christianity. Rather, Islam arose in a religiously pluralistic environment and engaged with these traditions critically.
3. Prophet Muhammad’s Unique Role A. Muhammad is regarded in Islam as the "Seal of the Prophets" (Quran 33:40), meaning the final messenger who brought the ultimate and complete guidance. B. His teachings include practices and laws that are distinct from Christianity and Judaism, such as the five daily prayers, fasting in Ramadan, and specific legal rulings. C. The claim that Muhammad simply added his own cultural practices to Christianity ignores the comprehensive nature of Islamic law (Sharia) and theology, which is rooted in the Quran and Hadith.
4. Academic and Historical Perspectives A. Scholars recognize that Islam emerged in a context influenced by Jewish, Christian, and Arabian traditions, but it is not accurate to say it was "converted" from Christianity. B. Islam’s theological framework and worldview are distinct and represent a new religious system rather than a sect or derivative. C. The comparison to modern religious movements like Mormonism or Jehovah’s Witnesses is anachronistic and overlooks the historical and theological context of 7th-century Arabia.
5. Verses Emphasizing Islam’s Distinct Identity A. Quran 3:19: "Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." B. Quran 5:3: "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." C. Quran 6:162: "Say, 'Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the worlds.'"
Islam is not a sect of Christianity but a distinct Abrahamic faith with its own unique revelation, theology, and practices. While it acknowledges and respects previous prophets and scriptures, it offers a new and final message. The claim that Muhammad was converted by Christians or simply adapted Christianity does not hold up against theological, historical, and scriptural evidence.
So it was from Allah that he first heard the name of Jesus Christ, Mary, Abraham and etc?
EasternActivist: That era is gone for good... That you're alive today is thanks to Christianity if not, you would have been a slave for the Arabs... Christianity brought civilization you're enjoying today. What has islam brought to humanity if not jihad terrorism ?? If China ancestors can stop Islam their progenitor won't be any different, I can be here in Enugu and trade my wares around the globe with no mix of culture or Islam. Even today Islam is being rejected in Iran, China has put restrictions in place to checkmate islam. Islam can never be an Igbo religion. You can wait like saraduna and danfodio then you can join them in grave waiting for igbo people to be Muslim.
How would the Arabs have enslaved me? The Yoruba have known the Arabs for centuries and there was no time they were in a position to enslave us. They know their territory and we know ours. You seem like a cry baby who thinks Africans were enslaved by anyone they come across. People are waking up against religion now across the world and religion will be eradicated. If however they don't act, then it can grow gradually and eat up any society. That is common sense. No society is immune. It applies to both Christianity and Islam. They are both scourges. You thank Christianity for being alive not me. That is the level of your understanding. Christianity is more ridiculous than Islam, has caused more violence than Islam and etc. A Christian is not by any means justified to say he or she is thinking deeper or better than a Muslim. Some Igbos are already Muslims. So there is nobody waiting for Igbos to be Muslims.
EasternActivist: The claim that the Igbo only avoided Islam due to timing is a historical fallacy; proximity doesn't guarantee conversion, as seen in China (1.8% Muslim), Japan (0.3% Muslim), and Europe (6% Muslim), all of which have had contact with the religion for over a thousand years without 'falling for it.' Unlike the centralized northern kingdoms, the Igbo 'Igbo Enwe Eze' (Igbo have no king) social structure meant there was no single ruler to convert and force the religion onto the masses. Combined with a rainforest geography that neutralized northern cavalry, the Igbo weren't 'saved by the clock' it is our decentralized democracy and ancestral traditions made us structurally resistant to the top-down expansion seen elsewhere.
Japan, China and Europe had strong governments that restricted Islam. Also Europe already had something worse which was Christianity which made them rivals. In Europe you can't even be in a church denomination not approved by the state in most cases. Igbos had no central government and they were not known to anybody except their immediate neighbors as at the nineteenth century. They had no long distance traders Trade brought Islam to the rest of Nigeria and if Igbos had traders that travelled far and wide back then, their society would have at least partially adopted Islam just like others. All the forested cities in Yoruba land had large numbers of Muslims before colonisation. My grandfather was born in 1908 and his father was a Muslim, his father too would have been a Muslim and I am Ijesa a Yoruba nation in the rain forest. There is nowhere including in Mecca where it happened overnight. It will at first be foreign merchants worshipping in your local mosques then....
Then Japan, China, Europe etc can become Islamic in the future as they are already on the way there. It started in Mecca like that. Nobody could have guessed Mecca would become Muslim
EasternActivist: You're just spewing propaganda.... Just answer the question. If Islam is that good why want Igbos to be part of it so bad.
Europeans, Chinese, Japanese etc are Muslims, so how is it possible for some Igbos not to fall for it?. If it were present in Igbo land early enough, most Igbo would be Muslims
All the stories in the Quran did not exist anywhere except in the custody of Jews and Christians before Mohammed. There was no way Mohammed could have gotten them except from Jews and Christians Mohammed also believed in the Prophethood of Jesus Christ and also in his immaculate conception or virgin birth. Jews do not believe that and the only people who believed that prior to Mohammed's birth were sects of Christianity. There is no where else he could have gotten the story if not from one of these sects that were present in Arabia back then. It is therefore academically sound to say he was originally converted by one of these sects. There is no other way. He was converted by Christians because they were the only ones who revered Jesus and believed in the virgin birth back then Mohammed like many who came after him accepted Christianity and added his own to it for it to become Islam. He added in the main the practices of his own people. He is no different from the founders of Mormon church, Jehovah witness, Celestial church, cherubim and Seraphim and etc
If Islam is good will you people want Igbos to be part of it?
Igbos are Christians and Christianity is more stupid than Islam. A foreigner died for your past, future and present sins two thousand years ago?. Mind you there is no evil and violence Muslims do that Christians have not done worse. They burnt over 100k people on the stakes in Europe accusing them of witchcraft
Fejoku: So, it means that Alhaji Sulu Gambari is a Hausa Emir of Ilorin and not a Fulani. Thanks for this exposition. When you tell lies to cover the truth, you'll eventually lose the truth and become lost in your lies forever.
He is a Yoruba who is paternally descended from either Hausa, Nupe or Bariba. You can't call him Hausa the same way you can't call a Kano indigene Yoruba despite that many of them are paternally descended from Yoruba
After the Fulanis systematically captured and made Ilorin their territory, they sacked the old Oyo Empire in 1835/1636 .
They were still not satisfied with their victory; they wished to extend their rule deep into the heart of Yoruba land. Thus in 1840, they set to capture Osogbo , a Yoruba town. The Fulanis, under the command of Ali , the Hausa balogun of Ilorin, laid siege on Osogbo.
When the king of Osogbo realized that the Ilorins were too strong for the Osogbo army, he summoned the Ibadans for help. Ibadan immediately sent some auxiliaries to Osogbo under the command of Obele alias Mobitan , and Alade Abimpagun. As this force could not stop the Ilorins, another contingent was sent to Osogbo under a more experienced leader. But still the Ilorins won every battle and gained more ground.
When Ibadan realized that the Ilorins were becoming more threatening to Yoruba land, they sent a large and stronger force under Balogun Oderinlo to crush the intruding forces and Jammas of Ilorin . When Oderinlo and his men arrived at the battlefield, they realized that things had gone worse than they thought.
They could not show their faces in the open field for the fear of the Ilorin horses, and for about 20 days after their arrival at Osogbo, they could not fight outside the town thickets. Oderinlo suggested that Elepo, a brave Ibadan warrior was badly needed at the war-front. Elepo had been rejected by the war-chiefs of Ibadan for his actions at the late Agbamaja expedition.
As soon as the message from Oderinlo reached Ibadan, the Bashorun wished he could send Elepo to Osogbo but could not go against the wish of other war-chiefs. The Bashorun gave Elepo a cow to worship his god, Ori , and pray for the victory of Ibadan at the war-front.
At the war-front, the Ibadan could not attack the Ilorins during the day because Osogbo was practically in a plain and the Ilorin horses might have advantage of them with disastrous results.
They decided to attack at dusk when the Ilorins would no longer be able to use their horses. About 2:pm, the well prepared Ibadan army left the gate of Osogbo for the battlefield. They were to keep a strict watch and arrest anyone suspected to be a spy.
About a mile from the Ilorin camp, they halted and arranged the order of the attack.
The Osogbo army and the earlier auxiliaries were to handle the center of the battlefield, chiefs Abitiko and Labuju were to command the right wing, Balogun Oderinlo with the rest of the Ibadan war-chiefs were to form the left wing of the army. The Ilorin camp was then attacked at midnight. The watchword was “ Elo ni owo odo? ” (How much is the ferry fare?).
The reason this watchword was chosen was because the river Osun had to be crossed in entering Osogbo from the south, and anyone who could not tell this was likely to be an enemy.
Stampede engulfed the Ilorin camp as the Ibadan army set it on fire. The Ilorins could not offer the slightest resistance; they were smoked with the gunpowder of the Ibadan guns.
This attack was a success for the Ibadan. Some Ilorin war-chiefs were captured in the attack. Prominent ones were:
1. Jimba the head slave of the Emir;
2. One of the sons of Ali the commander in chief;
3. Chief Lateju;
4. Ajikobo the Yoruba Balogun of Ilorin.
The first two were released while the latter two, being Yoruba by birth, were regarded as traitors and were executed. This was a huge victory for the whole of Yoruba land.
After the Osogbo victory,
Ibokun, an Ijesa town not far from Osogbo was taken by the Ibadans for being an ally of Ilorin.
After this war, Ìbàdàn later became a force building a formidable war machinery than later prosecuted many other wars with resounding victory.
Notable among the wars was the KIRIJI WAR where the Ibadan warlords formed a historic alliance with the Igbajos. Even though Igbajo became the war front for many years that the war lasted, it was never captured by the raging Ekiti parapò warriors. Rather it was a place where many of them met their Waterloo.
Notable among the warriors were Fabunmi Okeemesi, Ogedengbe Agbogun gboro of the Ijesas, Apasikoto pasigegele of Igbajo and Latoosa of Ibadan to mention a few. There were many more great warriors of the time.
It's worthy to note that the KIRIJI WAR was the last war in Yoruba land. It's also recorded as the longest native war between in Africa.
Since then the Yoruba people have continued to build strong bonds among themselves and they have sustained the peace.
We must continue to tell our children the history of the Yoruba people and the bond which our father had built so that we can continue to see ourselves as one. If the Ibadan people can sacrifice their lives for the people of Osogbo in other to safe other towns and villages in Yoruba land and in essence the carnage of innocent people were prevented, then, we the modern Yorubas have no reason to divide ourselves for political reasons or any reason at all. Copied
They attacked Ilorin forces in the night when it was dark hence the need for the password so that they will not be killing themselves. Anybody that knew the agreed upon answer would be one of the Ibadans. They were more than 50k and could easily kill themselves in the dark Then during that war, Ilorin was coming to help Ijesa dislodge Ibadan from Ijesa land. The Ibokun king allied with Ilorin was a major Ijesa King. One thing to also remember is that it was Ijesa that actually first stopped the Ilorin during the Poole war. I don't know why that is not publicized. At that time Oyos were in disarray. Later Oyo regrouped in Ibadan and reduced the Ijesa to tributaries. The Ijesa must have gone to Ilorin for help and that was what led to the Osogbo war. Osogbo was established by the Ijesa
I'm only just responding to your post because I had to search for some videos to ATTACH here from my video archives that would give you MORE insights into my earlier post that you quoted on this NL thread. [I'm ALSO interested in knowing from you the name of the major Yoruba compound that was established in Kano]. I know that there is a Quarters in Kano where a large number of Yoruba folks reside outside Sabon Gari Quarters, although many middle class Yoruba folks still live in Sabon Gari and the other well-planned residential estates and elite GRAs within Kano City in Kano State.
Second, Rabiu Kwankwaso has absolutely NO Yoruba descent or lineage in his family tree BUT he's a pure minority Fula whose father was the Sarkin Fulani of Kwankwaso village in Kano (same Fula ethnic group with Ganduje his former Deputy Governor of Kano State) contrary to the urban legend that he has some Yoruba bloodline which was meant to confuse some people for political reasons and for the usual subterfuge
NO doubt, there are some towns in the far North of Nigeria where the descendants of Yoruba migrant long-distance traders and more who settled in places such as Kano, Zamfara, Funtua (Yarbawan Funtua or Yorubas of Funtua), etc, even before 1900.
I want you to watch all the 7 videos right BELOW (and save them on your mobile devices before they disappear from cyberspace) showing the indigenous Hausa people of the North West Nigerian States who have strongly rejected the Fula domination of their ancestral homelands and local politics.
There are more videos such as these that I've seen online by the indigenous male and female Hausas since 2024. President 'Bola Tinubu of Nigeria has to see these videos and be careful around these minority Fulas (whose ORIGINAL ancestry is of North African Berber paternal ancestry from Morocco) and immediately activate programs to reduce their grip on Hausaland and the Nigerian political space in general.
Any fight between Hausa and Fulani is not the business of Yoruba people. We have our own issues. The Fulani empire was there for almost 100 years before the British came. How can it be made illegitimate easily? Hausa can focus on giving themselves mass education, developing their economy and etc. The Emirs after all are just collecting salary and have no executive power. I have forgotten the name of the quarters in Kano established by the Yoruba. If I remember or find it again I will let you know The report about Kwankwanso maybe wrong but I have it heard from more than one source
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Well, yeah, Mohammed could indeed have been part of a Christian sect. 😏11
