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I never once think of using biblical term to describe him. It is quite true your bible refer him father of faith, while we perceived him[b] a righteous man who submitted totally to God.[/b]
"Abraham WAS not A JEW , NOr a CHRISTAIN but he was a righteous man who had surrendered to ALLAH (Muslim) and he was not an idolaters." Qr3:67

Thanks. May almighty ALLAH accept our submissions.

I did not know what happened to earlier post: I re-quoted it here:

My brother, I wish you quote my exact statement so I can expatiate. I just want to be brief so that the topic will not be too burden with unnecessary details.

From what I gleaned from history, soon after the prophet demise, there were factions in the sruggling for power amongst the Alids, the umayads and later the Abasids. I learnt that in this struggle great passions were generated and gave way to hypocrisy.  Under their influence new traditions were concocted and old ones were edited.
Under this circumstances, a serious effort made to collect all available traditions, rejecting the spurious ones and committing the correct ones to writing. Under the  authority of Umar, quite a century after the prophet, issued for this collection under the supervision of Abubakr ibn Muhammad. However, the muslim world later wait another hundred years before the work of renowned people available to us. That is, Imam Bukhari, who collected 600,000 traditions but accepted only 7,000 of them as authentic applied ruthless scrutiny. Abu, dawood refer 4,800 traditions out of 500,000. The same with Imam Muslim and Muh. Tirmizi. Ibn Abdlah collections, miskhat Masbihi is over seven hundred years ago now with different approach of scrutiny.
Therefore, as dito to my earlier response, collectors of tradtions did a great a job in thier final compilation at least to relate the major sunnahs' to us, however they were human an never claimed total perfection. In most of the readings which I enjoy is that of Ibn Sa'd, his appraoch to each topic and how he relate the view of all these scholars. I think we should learn from it too. Summarily, Sahii bukhari, Muslims do not have all hadiths, and lastly, from what you and I can read you will notice some variations in several narations which is due to diff transformation chain(isnad).

Abuzola:
@littleb, i didn't get that, are u saying the two authentic hadiths bukhari and muslim contains thousand of untrue fact ? Please elaborate

My brother, I wish you quote my exact statement so I can expatiate. I just want to be brief so that the topic will not be too burden with unnecessary details.

From what I gleaned from history, soon after the prophet demise, there were factions in the sruggling for power amongst the Alids, the umayads and later the Abasids. I learnt that in this struggle great passions were generated and gave way to hypocrisy. Under their influence new traditions were concocted and old ones were edited.
Under this circumstances, a serious effort made to collect all available traditions, rejecting the spurious ones and committing the correct ones to writing. Under the authority of Umar, quite a century after the prophet, issued for this collection under the supervision of Abubakr ibn Muhammad. However, the muslim world later wait another hundred years before the work of renowned people available to us. That is, Imam Bukhari, who collected 600,000 traditions but accepted only 7,000 of them as authentic applied ruthless scrutiny. Abu, dawood refer 4,800 traditions out of 500,000. The same with Imam Muslim and Muh. Tirmizi. Ibn Abdlah collections, miskhat Masbihi is over seven hundred years ago now with different approach of scrutiny.
Therefore, as dito to my earlier response, collectors of tradtions did a great a job in thier final compilation at least to relate the major sunnahs' to us, however they were human an never claimed total perfection. In most of the readings which I enjoy is that of Ibn Sa'd, his appraoch to each topic and how he relate the view of all these scholars. I think we should learn from it too. Summarily, Sahii bukhari, Muslims do not have all hadiths, and lastly, from what you and I can read you will notice some variations in several narations which is due to different transformation chain (isnad).

@davidylan,

This is disgraceful nonsense. If what they wrote was mere conjecture then why did allah "reveal" the EXACT SAME STORIES TO MOHAMMAD? Why didnt he reveal facts instead of jewish conjecture?

I can sense some truth in there. So you believe it was a mere a conjectures, then some information must have preceeded thier conjections very much perfect the same way Quran is much perfect with no human dillution. I asked you maybe you will sincere, at least once, when you analyse what you claimed as divine  you and I know the truth, the same way you will percieved harry potters. Muslims are not denying some moral values of the bible, but in many instance when you ascribed it to be a revelation from God to his prophet, it became worthless. How will your great grandpa wrote a story about himself centuries after his demise. Secondly, God is not the author of confussion, thirdly, God does not reveal holy incest, thereby you couldn't see the exact stories you might think in Muhammad's holy book as:
1.NO third party information- just direct from GOD.for ex: SAY, ALLAH IS ONE,
2.NO Contradictions
3.NO corruption of God's prophets
Upon all your effort, you need nothing to lose, Islam call you for understanding!

why did allah concern himself with revealing stuff about the jews and NOTHING about the arabs, the kith and kin of mohammad?

Just read your question again and again and again, kneel down before your God with your hand stretched and you will find the answer. It is not all about delusion. Did you know Abraham was not a jew but father of faith who submitted himself in totality to God almighty.

that's again dishonest nonsense . . . there were arabic copies of the bible widely in circulation and we know that there were jews living in arabia then. Infact wasnt mohammad married to a jewess?

If you the proof, I will like to know. I have various versions of Islam and Muhammad histories. Allah refuted your claim:

"We know indeed that they say, 'It is a man that teaches him,' The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear." Qr.16:103

Muhammad had contacts with several Jews and christians as a teacher not a learner. And he met Waraqa bin Nufal not lasted but twice according to history. waraqa died three years later, then revelation continues for next 23 years.

Will you be more passsionate and fully acquaintance to decieved or generally for what Muslims are? You just need to accept the truth and serve the correct GOD. Islam is pure not with adulterated book, if Muhmmad learnt it from christians or jews to produce such a wonderful book. Will it not save you to think twice before you conclude.

You people are satanic in the way you lie so effortlessly

Will you stop firing crackers and lets discuss objectively. I push it to you, who is lying? Who wrote the bibles? Was it a revelation and to who? Muslims will like to emulate Muhammad according to Quran. Will you emulate biblical prophets?

salam Alykum, how was your night?

Abuzola:
@littleb, i didn't get that, are u saying the two authentic hadiths bukhari and muslim contains thousand of untrue fact ? Please elaborate

My brother, I wish you quote my exact statement so I can expatiate. I just want to be brief so that the topic will not be too burden with unnecessary details.

From what I gleaned from history, soon after the prophet demise, there were factions in the sruggling for power amongst the Alids, the umayads and later the Abasids. I learnt that in this struggle great passions were generated and gave to hypocrisy. Under their influence new traditions were concocted and old ones were edited.
Under this circumstances, a serious effort made to collect all available traditions, rejecting the spurious ones and committing the correct ones to writing. Under the authority of Umar, quite a century after the prophet, issued for this collection under the supervision of Abubakr ibn Muhammad. However, the muslim world later wait another hundred years before the work of renowned people available to us. That is, Imam Bukhari, who collected 600,000 traditions but accepted only 7,000 of them as authentic applied ruthless scrutiny. Abu, dawood refer 4,800 traditions out of 500,000. The same with Imam Muslim and Muh. Tirmizi. Ibn Abdlah collections, miskhat Masbihi is over seven hundred years ago now with different approach of scrutiny.
Therefore, as dito to my earlier response, collectors of tradtions did a great a job in thier final compilation at least to relate the major sunnahs' to us, however they were human an never claimed total perfection. In most of the readings which I enjoy is that of Ibn Sa'd, his appraoch to each topic and how he relate the view of all these scholars. I think we should learn from it too. Summarily, Sahii bukhari, Muslims do not have all hadiths, and lastly, from what you and I can read you will notice some variations in several narations which is due to transformation(isnad).

Abuzola:
Yeah yeah yeah, but this age was reported by more than 4 highest scholar, each from different periodic time. Why is it that it is only the age issue people refute ? If thats the case how do we trust and believe this so called hadiths, there must be thousand untrue facts in the bukhari and co, right ?

Yes, my brother, her age in our own era is out of context. There is no doubt that Aisha marry at a very younger age and since there is age indication according to hadith, western oriantalist and missionaries will always want to make a point for mockery and defame Islam. Forgeting that there is necessary to evaluate every society according to its own rules. Then, marrying age was never an issue where life was basically survival of fittest, they were so much afraid of losing their younger female child due to disease, whose constitute the major production, thereby marrying them earlier was paramount and consider norms.

davidylan:
the jews had already written about Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon . . . even Jesus Christ for over 1000 yrs. those books had been transcribed into hebrew and greek . . .

Asked yourself and in sincerity, in what they wrote, was it a revelation or a mere conjectures. If you claim or belief was a revelation, then to who?

Yet mohammad claimed the same plagiarised stories as "revelations"? Dis allah sef.

From what I presumed you think prophet Muhammad plagiarised, what about the dirty stories in there, since Muhammad was unlettered and doesn't understand hebrew or greek, he would have copy all. Abi! Mr david.

dadde:
@ all islamist, u can not hide frm the fact that islamist is synonimous with terorism. I it a shame dat u want to call d iraq invation a xtian war.tell me, re there no muslims in the US Army,re there no xtians wu oppose the iraq invation,didnt soudi arabia allow d coalatiön forces to pass tru their land,didnt turkey and moroco suplied troops, is Iran not happy that sadam is out of d picture.so u c, the iraq invation is one of the unfutunite event in history.

But no muslim terrorist has ever invaded you in your corner close or street in Lagos, and nobody has ever bomb your church in jealous of who your christianity. This is much evidence to proof you are probably a liar and proxy defendant, flaunting with unbalance news of the west.

Muslims will support any killings as long as an infidel is dead. I ve had muslim schorlars sayn all d muslims dat died in 9/11 and d london bombing deserve 2 die because the mingle with infidels. Do u all remember the cartoon in demark that lead to killing of innocent and industrious southerners in kano.

Liar like you will definitely tell another. What is the name of the scholars, spoke directly to you or over haired. You couldn't even fetch information properly, many have been said on 9/11, you still old to ancient report.

muslims are wired to be violent. Any muslem wu does not exibits violence is seen as a deviant by other muslems. Do u know that despite the hostility btw israel and palenstine,israeli doctors still go to palestine to perform surgery.

No xtian suport killin of children in palestine.israel has d capacity to destroy palestin but they have not. Everybody knows that,had iran possess that capacity,israel would have being on the list of extinction.

stop gambling over the internet and research well.

@olabs, u keep refarin to the old testament.u fail to point where christ(the origin of Christianity) encourage violence.am very sure that at one time or the other u would have wished islam shouldnt ve been involved in violence.

less i 4get, islam never means peace but submissn. Thanks

Tell me, jesus never know anything like Christianity, if not show me from your bible. Moreso, read Luke 19:27, jesus commanded to bring his enemies for killing.

dadde:
Have guys bother to wonder why will God want to reveal what is already packaged in a book to mohammed as a new revelation.

Tell us part of such revelation and who was revealed to.

@poster, ur first evidence that d koran predicted the mummy stated that allah said that the God of the israelite( THE JEWS) IS the only true God. Pls answer if the jewish religion and islam are totaly dsame. If not, it means d koran is disproving the Godship allah.
God bless u.

You can actually sense it when you pronounce the two. Jewish religion and Islam. You and I can clarify when you present the Jewish doctrines and belief. if a jew could belief God is one, Muhammad and all other prophets, jesus, moses, abraham are all prophets, then he is a muslim. According to your own research and understanding, what is jewish religion?

@abusola:
Yes, I never once think hadith hadith should be neglected or a particular tradition wasn't correct. Even to great details, we understand much of our fiqh through hadith. I belief as part of what necessitated the scrutinization is the chain of narrations as there some hadith suffer mis transformation due to long isnad and secondly the issue of hypocritical muslims acclaimed many untrue to prophet. This afternoon after my last response to you, I was reading 'the life of prophet Muhammad' by Muhammad Hykal, an egyptian early scholars of Islam. In his foreground, he made some clarification similar what I construe from other works. He said,
" , , every isnad(or chain of reporters) was subjected to the most exacting texts of historicity and verification giving birth to ilm al Rijal, or the critical establishement of the minutest details of the personal lives of thousands of Muhammad's companion and contemporaries."

With such notions and accountability, I got on page 139 where he claimed aisha's age was eleven when married to prophet Muhammad, in contrary to sahihi bukhari. By what I means, the issue of insignificant of some traditions not basically Imam bukhari or any other collectors of hadiths was wrong, but basically they did not compile all hadiths. Apart from normal ritual religious practice which there was no objection to it due to the fact that it is everyday practice quite generally accepted and agreed as ruled out by the four Imams. The broaded context of hadiths compare thier limited capability in compilation, the scholars scrutinies are different. And in your earlier posts, some do not even accept Imam Bukahri collections. On my view and submission, only Allah is perfect and Quran is the only authentic aand divine source, any other one is subjected to scrutiny any time any day and should be accepted only if it is substantiated by at least a Quranic verse.

@olabowale

Thanks ustaz for the link. Many have been said earlier. Many things were part of pre-modern norms and nobody ever refers to it as barbaric or used it judge our present. If clearly we think of Abiku in yoruba land , the case was very similar, not knowing there was no medical aid for many unknown diseases then. Is there anything like abiku again in yoruba land now, definitely NO. However, enemies of Islam will always want to research every corner of Islam to defame Islam and prophet Muhammad personality. Maa salam

@abusola
Hadith was not immediately collected after prophet demise. It took a century afterwards. And it another centuries for scrutiny. I have once try to argue an hadith from sahii Bukahri with my immediate ustaz, from all essence he clarify something which I personllay worked on. Going through the works of any most respected scholars. They never claimed any infallible, so the Imam Al-bukhari, Tirmzi,muslim and the rest and that is why thier work was scrutinzed. There are still many and uncountable which was not reference in thier collections.

Abuzola:
Smile, true talk, but do you take the hadith of giving aisha to jubair as authentic ? I see that hadith as weak and Do'if, is it from bukhari or muslim?

Grouping hadiths as shahii, doif is by following some lay down rules which does not applicable in some islamic legal codes which mostly proclaimed much of its ref from Quran only. I wouldn't classify this hadith whether doif or authentic, I would submit to the verdict of hadith scholars. However, it is a proof out of many very much referenced in miskhat masbhi of Imam Waliu-Deen Muhammad. The same way I will look upon ibn Ishaq biography of prophet Muhammad with true and false collections. The controversy generated when age was mention in the other hadith, what I belief and well aquainted with Rosululah did not against Quran, secondly, there was no record of any extreme category of Aisha's age when married as barbaric.

noetic2:
Olabs is simply attempting to do what allah and mohammed did . . .  .LYING endlessly to justify previous LIES.

Aisha was 9 years old when mohammed shagged her. . unless and until  produce haddiths denouncing this, thou art a LIAR.

@neotic
In your own sense, I belief you are no longer a kid. If you belief Aisha was nine bride in the climat of Arabia then and the truth of it is too heavy for you to bear. prophet Muhammad(PBH) had other wifes, even first wife was as old as 25 years older than him. That one is not an issue and not attacking your senses. Look arround, engage in relation with someone older than you, at least take sample of khadija! I belief you will not, otherwise contemplating scatering fire crackers on every Islamic thread.

Abuzola:
@sir olabowale, i guess if we are going to reach an agreement. Firstly, no hadith states she was twenty something, 2ndly, when they were arguing about her 9 yrs old age she didn't deny it but rather made it clear that thats the age of puberty. 3rdly, you have not present any hadith that it is female who have attain 15 that are allowed to go to battle field except of the hadith referring to male. 4thly, bukhari, muslim and Abu dawud the top greatest imam, have lied to us according to you. 5thly why is it that it is her age issue people deny ?. 6thly, are the shiite correct for cursing Imam Bukhari, muslim and Abu dawud as bunch of hypocrites ? Mind you, the shiite use to curse Abubakar, umar, usman and muawiyah in their prayer daily, this is why shiite are considered as herectic. 7th-if these 3 imam hadith are believe to be the most valid now that we observe err why don't we kick all hadiths like the 'TATSINE' muslim sect. 8thly, Hadith weren't collected till after the death of Prophet muhammad, infact he forbids it so that it won't mingle with Quran, it was during Abubakar's caliphate that hadith were collected and he never deny her age.
Masalam

@abusola,
None of hadiths collectors never proof themself infallible and Hadith will never be a substitute to Quran. Imam Buhari collected over 600,000 traditions in which about 7,000 regarded as authentic. Abu'dawood, Muslim,Tirmidhi all collected thousands of traditions in which all were subjected to several scrutiny. In each hadith many names were involved in the chain of transmission, some which were accepted and many denied and consquently deduced some hadiths as fabricated. The essence of this claim was not to proof Aisha wasn't nine or refering Aisha as a liar, however I see no ingenuity if people could bring up an analytical approach refering to historical reference from muslims and non muslims sources to proof her age then. When you read the biography of prophet Muhammad from different authors you will understand what I mean. In some instances with much aclaimed authentic references, you will see differences. To clarify my point, Aisha'a age was never an issue to then contemporary pagan arab, it is so much more recently complicated when propapagndist want to mock Islam. May almighty Allah forgives us all

@ ustaz olabowale,
May almighty Allah increase you in knowledge and wisdom. Your contribution here is highly appreciated. We will never be perfect at all times and people may never subject to all our verdict or oppinions. We pray to Allah to accept this as an act of Ibadah forgive us all our shortcomings and finally grant us paradise in return.

Nezan:
[size=14pt]I know in your warped view of paradise, they will be shagging 72 virgins there Dont weep when you discover them crying in hell. Is that not where mohammed told you that you are all going?

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What brings politicians to a religious argument? [/size]

Imagine! Even if the virgins could have been in multiple in thousands will it be too much? You are thinking of this world where you have left, average of hundred years. A devoted muslim is very much aware and haunt for hearafter where no death is expected at least. Imagine milllions of years if not endless enjoyment. Will you not join the club and be save forever.

mohammed was mocked because he was a fake prophet with the satanic verses

Where is your proof?

@nezan

What about the famed satanic verses?

Where are the satanic verses? I think you got that from bible.

The marriage of Muhammad to Aisha is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran (the most sacred Muslim text, and regarded as perfect divine revelation).

Aisha's marriage is mentioned in what is called the Hadith (tradition and sayings of the prophet). The hadith is open to more scrutiny and there is an entire science behind determining the authenticity of a hadith. While most scholars have agreed that Aisha was 9 years old when she married Prophet Muhammad, many scholars opposed that view and believed that she was

18 or 19. But putting that aside and even if we agree that she was 9 years old at the time of her marriage, there are logical answers to the false accusations made against Prophet Muhammad.

Agreed,  logically concluded that Aisha was mature enough to be a wife coz her marrige  wasn't even barbaric as at the period then.

Everyone has a life span that will end at a predetermined time. Only God decides and knows when and how everyone's life ends. If the whole world got together and decided to kill someone, he will not be killed unless it is the time for his life to be over and God let them do it. Even if someone hide in a hole or try to run away from death, nothing will save him when it is time to go.

God's Prophets were human beings like us and are subject to the same fate we are subjected to. They may die naturally or get killed. Their killing is not an indication of them being rejected by God or being any less than other prophets. It was the way God wants and  not the people.

When the Prophet Muhammad was alive, God could have told him how his life will come to an end, but He did not, upon all the revelation he received. Muhammad die like all other prophets before him, we had amongst them that were killed and while they couldn't delivered well or complete the message they were sent with. Prophet Isa(Jesus) was example as attempted was made to kill him while God raised him up from his enemies. Prophet Yahya (John) was killed too.

Allah says:
Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allâh, and Allâh will give reward to those who are grateful.(Qr 3:144)

Muhammed suffered from fever and unknown disease (possibly from what you think as poison) before his death and died at 63 years of age. God could have saved him the suffering, the weakness and loss of control that comes with sickness, but God wants us to know that he is a human being like us, who would go through everything we go through. However, the revelation towards the time of his shows that he himself knows that time has come and it was obvious in his farewell speech. Moreso, at later of the time was a part of his prophetic message that his daughter fatimah will be next to join him.

Additionally, to those who think Prophet Muhammad died lightly as result of poisonous food. As Christians belief that Jesus was killed on the cross, first why did he thought he was forsaken by his God while praying, while God couldn't have let it happened, according to their bible, it was willed by God. So, the other prophet dead or killed are willed by God n matter the circumstances surrounding their death.

However, if to a psychologist or atheist who think he died of Poisson, I belief he would have died with others if not he was retained a while purpose. All being clarified well by ustaz olabowale, if someone think his speculation is right on the poison, then it is allowed to stick to whatever he/she belief in and to my own belief, poison can't kill, only God kills at a predetermined time.

Thanks.

No2Atheism:

If the bible says it, then so it is.

If the bible does not say it, then it means there is simply nothing to say about it.

What makes bible differ from any other historical books?

There is no justification for christian having limited knowledge and not able to provide us information regarding people you belief pioneered your faith. Well, muslims are taking up the challenge, doing the research for you is very easy. If you still very much disturb about oyb claim, you can run through fast track by quickly google "joseph the carpenter" before olabowale or any other muslim's response.

Abuzola:
@littleb, for sure i can bet my brother with sahih bukhari that it has no do'if in it, i have read his history how he gathered the hadiths and that, other hadiths contains  do'if with the exception of Muslim though it has some slight weak ones, due to what you stated above, either contrary to the Quran or misinformation or mixed up somewhere.


Am not ashame and will never inshaAllah deny her age reported by bukhari due to christians mocking, what i consider is the years back genetic. Kalas

Thanks.  May almighty Allah rewards all for our effort and continue to endow us with wisdom and makes us stand firm in the light of Islam.
Allah Alaam.

noetic2:
why is the credibility of the haddith in doubt? is this an attempt to exonerate mohammed of paedophlia?

Just read the complete thread, if you cant find an answer to your question here, then it is well and okay to stick to whatever you think you belief and considered right.

We shouldn't buy from the idea that Aisha lies on the hadith reported her age. However, hadith even with most reliable collection, I mean sahii Bukhari, Muslim and the rest could have been misreported due to transformation chain. Whether Muslims like it or not, people who hate Islam are using this account in the hadith to insult Prophet Muhammad and they will continue to. However, why Aisha's age was never an issue in her contemporary then, even by enemies of Islam.

noetic2:
so whats the source of the IGNORANCE u are ejaculating.

I think I have responded to you well. As part of close ref, I got this from wiki:

[color=#006600]Child marriages such as this were relatively common in Arab communities at the time, and remain common in some societies in the modern era.[21] American scholar Colin Turner suggests that such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West.[21] In modern times, however, the issue of Muhammad marrying and having sexual relations with a girl so young has been used to criticize him, particularly in the West, where there is heightened concern about child sexual abuse and related issues.[21] In response some modern Muslim apologists have argued that adding up other dates given in the traditional sources may indicate that Aisha was older. Such a tactic was employed by the Indian Ahmadiyya figure Maulana Muhammad Ali.[22] However, scholars such as Watt accept the traditional account.[1][/color]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

Hadhrat Aa-ishah (Radhiyallaho anha) says:
"Once the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) entered the house and I guessed from his face that something of great
importance had happened to him. He did not talk to anyone, and after making wudhu (ablution) he entered the
mosque. I stood behind the wall to hear what he said. He sat at the pulpit and after praising'Allah, he said, "0 Muslims!
Allah has commanded you to call people to good deeds, and prevent them from committing sins; otherwise a
time will come when you will pray to Him, but He will not listen to you; you will ask your needs of Him, but He will
not grant them; you will demand His help against your enemies, but He will not help you."

Prophet Muhammad(PBH) said:
"When a sin is committed before an individual
or a group and they do not prevent it, in spite
of having the capability, then Allah inflicts a severe
punishment on them before their death." (Targheeb)

noetic2:
uhmn. . .any evidence for this claim? was this at the ordinance of allah or a miracle of mohammed?

Mind you. I dont have much evidence, I read several articles on maturity age and history. what I have gleaned is that maturity age varies and early in various places. There are several reports on nine,ten year old girl gave birth and in some places a ten year old girl never grow breast

The thread says:" Sir Olabowale Lets Discuss Aisha's Age" and not miracle of muhammad, pls note!

olabowale:
Allah Willed what He willed for the prophet (AS).  Those who malign him for this or that, will have something else to malign him on, even if she was 90 years old at the time she as freshly married to him. None of them however, in this age of HIV/AIDS catch and die russian roulette do it at your own sex, can claim that they were virgin(s) at 25. No man will marry  25 virgin will marry 40 years woman who has been married two different times, regardless of her circumstances; wealth or fame or other wise!

@olabowale
May almighty Allah reward you for your detail insight on this issue and all your valuable contribution on NL. I belief it is not right in our own sense to even judge the past considering our present condition. Maturity age then was quite faster than present.
Aisha was willingly married to prophet prophet Muhammad by her parent supported by non muslim and muslim. No one ever think to mock prophet or criticize her age then, why will be after many centuries?

Moreso, there are several hadiths that have been reported wrongly even with correct isnad due to transformation and collections. Some were mixed with the idea of hypocrites. Allah Allam

[center]Ruling on eating cheese if the source of the rennet is not known
What is the ruling on the presence of rennet in most of the cheeses we buy, when we do not know where it is derived from?.


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Praise be to Allaah.

The substance that is put in cheese is rennet; it is a yellowish white substance in a vessel of skin which is extracted from the stomach of a calf or nursing lamb. A little of it is added to the milk, which curdles and becomes cheese.

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (5/155).

The ruling on rennet varies according to where it is taken from. If it is taken from an animal that has been slaughtered in accordance with sharee’ah, then it is pure and may be eaten. If it is taken from an animal that died of natural causes or an animal that was not slaughtered in accordance with sharee’ah, then there is a difference of opinion among the fuqaha’ concerning it. The majority of Maalikis, Shaafa’is and Hanbalis are of the view that it is najis. Abu Haneefah and Ahmad, according to the other report narrated from him, were of the view that it is taahir. This is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him). He said in al-Fataawa (21/102): It is more likely that their cheese -- referring to the Magians -- is halaal and that the rennet from a dead animal (one that died of natural causes) and its milk are taahir. End quote.

He also said (35/154): With regard to cheese that is made with their rennet – i.e., from some of the baatini sects who are regarded as kaafirs – there are two well-known views concerning that among the scholars, as in the case of rennet from dead animals and rennet from animals slaughtered by the Magians and Franks, of whom it is said that they do not slaughter meat properly. The view of Abu Haneefah and of Ahmad according to one of the two reports narrated from him is that this cheese is permissible, because the rennet of dead animals is taahir according to this view, because then it does not die when the animal dies. The view of Maalik and al-Shaafa’i, and of Ahmad according to the other report, is that this cheese is najis because in their view the rennet is najis, because the milk and rennet of the dead animal are najis according to them. If meat slaughtered by a particular person cannot be eaten, then meat slaughtered by him is like dead meat. Those who hold both views quoted as evidence reports that were narrated from the Sahaabah. Those who hold the first view narrate that the Sahaabah ate the cheese of the Magians, and those who hold the second view narrate that they ate what they thought was cheese of the Christians. This issue is subject to ijtihaad and one may follow the view of the Shaykh he asks. End quote.

This is the correct opinion. Whether you know the source of the rennet and that it comes from an animal that was slaughtered properly or otherwise, or you do not know, there is nothing wrong with eating cheese that has been made with it.

And Allah knows best.

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Aisha's age has been one of the most controversial issue, while some non muslims use it to mock islam.There are several hadiths reported her age differently, that is why the propagandists only clinch to the lowest age to to smear the Prophet with the inflammatory charge of pedophilia.

In some quotations, marraige has to do with maturity, secondly, in such society like arab and jewish community. The girls are married off at the earlier age of thier maturity. There is a western scholars who stated that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West. if a girl is considerred mature at the age of nine, then she is due for marraige. It is in our modern age we try to give definitions and terms to every occurences and in turn make it a judgement against history of many centuries back which is not applicable.

With regard to maturity, in both Arab and Jewish history, maturity of girl is reached when she started mensturation. So, on Aisha's age, I have no blame on whoever his choice to protray her as nine years old at the time her wedding was consummated supported by several hadiths references. However, going through by logical estimation, her age have ranged from early teens to early twenties at the time her marraige was consummated with prophet MUahammad(PBH). What is evident is that Aisha was a young woman at the time of the wedding, but that her marriage was not in any way controversial and was never used by the enemies of the Prophet or Islam as a critique in his lifetime. I make no apology to say it is very foolish to project modern values and defintions as a case to judge old centuries people where life expectancy was very low and they never consider marraige age to be an issue.


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Aisha's age has been one of the most controversial issue, while some non muslims use it to mock islam.There are several hadiths reported her age differently, that is why the propagandists only clinch to the lowest age to to smear the Prophet with the inflammatory charge of pedophilia.

In some quotations, marraige has to do with maturity, secondly, in such society like Arab and jewish community. The girls are married off at the earlier age of thier maturity. There is a western scholars who stated that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West. if a girl is considerred mature at the age of nine, then she is due for marriage. It is in our modern age we try to give definitions and terms to every occurences and in turn make it a judgement against history of many centuries back which is not applicable.

With regard to maturity, in both Arab and Jewish history, maturity of girl is reached when she started mensturation. So, on Aisha's age, I have no blame on whoever his choice to protray her as nine years old at the time her wedding was consummated supported by several hadiths references. However, going through by logical estimation, her age have ranged from early teens to early twenties at the time her marraige was consummated with prophet MUahammad(PBH). What is evident is that Aisha was a young woman at the time of the wedding, but that her marriage was not in any way controversial and was never used by the enemies of the Prophet as a critique in his lifetime. I make no apology to say it is very foolish to project modern values and defintions as a case to judge old centuries people where life expectancy was very low and they never consider marraige age to be an issue.

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