@uplawal
Salam Alaykum,

How are you finding Islam? Can you see there are many things to learn in Islam? Not like do as I say in some other faiths.
Moreso, you don't need to be dragged with poverty and or one disabilities before you become a muslim. May almighty Allah empower you with more knowledge and wisdom to follow His wish.

Does Qur'an categorically stated that Allah revealed bible or revealed Torah and Injeel? Does Torah + injeel = Bible ? Definitely NO. However, bible itself is a combination of many books in which some parts of Torah and Injeel sctaterred therein.
Apart Quranic revelation, analysis of bible itself by many historians, athiest and scientist revealed that it was corrupted evidenced by many contradictions, distorted stories of God's prophets and full of many third party informations with no traces of thier authors. Needless to say are the many incestuous stories amongs the holiest. And in many analysis, bible is known to be from three different sources. THE GOD, GOD's PROPHETS and HISTORIANS.

Even the historical life of Jesus has reported wrongly, just as an evidence that it wasn't really inspired. In the Qur’an, we are told that mankind changed the message of Jesus after his departure. The Qur’an further states that if a book of God has been tampered with by the hands of mankind then this tampering will be recognizable by the inevitable contradictions which will result from this tampering. God says in the Qur’an: “Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would have surely found therein much discrepancy.” Qr4:82. The Bible itself also testifies to the fact that a false witness will inevitably result in contradictions and discrepancy: “For many bare false witness against him(Jesus), but their witness agreed not together.” Mark 14:56.

In many religious arguement about Jesus being claimed as God, reading the life of Jesus in the gospels, one will never once hear him categorically state 'I am God'. And in some perfection, if we are to be truly stick to what only Jesus statements of the bible differ from all the contradictions of the reporters,  the perception would be very similar to what Allah says in the Quran.

If someone accussed Islam spread through swords or Jihad, is there any religious where war was not fought? Definitely NO. Every faith has his own accorded war methodology and prescribed circumstances. If Jews could be right with all the people killed in bloodshed in the OT and the statement of Jesus to his desciples to  buy swords could be very well understood by those people who started crusades, Jihad methodolody according to shaabah could not be seen as barabaric. To people with understandings, Islam encourages you to dialogue or fight opperessors. The two is applicable in different circumstances, knowing it right is either you win or lose. Just don't trangress. That's just a theory of Jihad in Islam. Christains could either choose between their two contradictory thoery, be a complete gentle as in Matthew 5:38-39
“But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your cheek, turn the other to him also.”

or otherwise as in Luke 19:27:"for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and and slay them there before me."

@todak,

Your presentation is just a repetition of what has been discussed over and over before you came on NL. The fact you want this conversation mainly from Bible and Quran will even make it a failure coz it will vigorously expose how corrupted the bible is with all insults to God's prophets even Jesus that you projected here as your god. Moreover, from your arguement point of view, it clearly evidenced that you are not a good researcher of  the truth, rather a plagiarizer of others job non objectively. I mean, you colud have scrutinize your write up to free of falacies which have been debunked by several muslim scholars with many evidence from Quran and Hadiths. I believe you will still go back to the source to re-equiped your writes up rather than just copy and paste information.

First, jesus in Islam is a well respected prophet and messanger of Allah sent to Isrealite. His miraculous birth is admittedly similar to that of prophet Adam created from just ordinary dust(Qr3:59).

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah (God) is that of Adam; He created him from dust then said to him: 'Be', and he was."

Moreover, Jesus performs miracles right from childhood according to the Quran coz he spoken while he was still a craddle. So, since the Quran was brought to us through prophet Muhammad and Jesus and his mother was highly placed, treated with so much respect than what you have in the bible.
If we agree to rule out the possibility of Muhammad not a prophet, confirm by your first statement; "claimed to be" then the next logical conclussion will clearly shows that Muhammad and Jesus will actually be true friend if both of them are to be alive today. Then, the arguement will remains either with you or the corrupted words of the bible. Logically, a typical muslim will be a friend to Jesus and Muhammad coz he believe in both of them. I personaly believes in Jesus and Muhammad and sometimes I dressed like them, even my wife and my sisters always dress like Jesus' mother. Have you ever read a chapter of the Quran known as Maryam, dedicated to mother of Jesus. If Muhammad is Jesus enemy or he brought a different message, dont you think he would have named it after his mother. If you claimed to believe in Jesus as your god which he never claimed to be, I believe reverse will be the case on the day of judgement because he will never look at your side.

Now, examine the ploy of your arguement proves extremely feeble to muslims, because, it claimed one to be superior to another. It is unacceptible for muslims to either chose between Muhammad or Jesus because both are inspired by God and religiously you shouldn't distinguish between them. Allah says:

We have sent you (Muhammad) inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. Of some apostles We have already told you the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;- Qr 4:163-164

Analysis of your claim is baseless, which means you will still copy more information from your source to have a point because there are still more for you to copy or otherwise engage with us(muslims) in rational conversation to share what you and I believe. Admittedly Muhammad is a prophet,will the arguement not save to be rationally base on what you claimed jesus is, either you accept him as a god or son of God or a prophet considering he possessed the qualities you mentioned:

Jesus – The Son of God
Jesus – Knows the thoughts of men
Jesus – Our Advocate with the Father
Jesus – Performed miracles
Jesus – Taught forgiveness
Jesus – Was sinless
Jesus – Healed the blind
Jesus – One with the Father
Jesus – Taught monogamy 
Jesus – Came to save lives
Jesus – Cast out demons 
Jesus – Satan had NO influence over Jesus
Jesus – Read the Word of God
Jesus – Taught Marriage was binding and against divorce
Jesus – Called people to come to Him
Jesus – People are free to accept Jesus’ message or not
Jesus – Is the life and His follower will live

@tudor

Tùdor:

Haba!
Instead of you to proclaim you dont know the answer,you're busy diverting the thread.
Why cant you reply the post now? Why later? You wanna wait till friday so you can ask your imam.
If you want your question answered,go start the thread in the other section and you'll get overwhelming response,unlike in this DEAD islamic section.

Just lower your emotion, the argument is very easy for muslims to debate coz they belief both in Jesus and Muhammad. Analogically, in the court of law, between plaintiff and defendant, there are always witnesses. Here now, there are Bible and Quran. I wish my good brother @todak should not go out of the scope in order to expose liars. More copy is expected of him from your usual sources.

@todak

You see it as advertisment, but it is not,  the bible says in Mark 16: 15-18

" 1And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Jesus performed miracles and he has given us power to do so. Where is muhammad's miracle?

vs

Math 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Behold, I have told you beforehand.
If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe [it] not.


Jesus never advertise miracles with testimonies or assembled people for miracle fellowship. He was just moving from one place to another preaching and miracles just hapening. It is differ from what you people are projecting in the end time. since you cant differentiate between fake miracles and original and the your reality percentage is weightless. On what account will it be if many have been decieved with such miracle pastors since thier miracles is centerred on peoples problems. Divine prophets performs miracles based on contemporary believe of their people and not only on peoples problems.

You say. but i will say, it is an arsenal used by the devil to divert the attention of those seeking for shortcut miracles,  so it is not a criteria for judging christians,  we only need to be careful,  the way we search for miracles, all that is needed is Faith, coupled with prayer and Fasting,  "ask and it shall be given, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be open" but this applies to people who are doing the will of God and can only work for them,

Your carefull methodology is a very weak one, Jesus never called you to search for miracles. And that is the essence of the above biblical verse. And that is why many have been mislead and brainwashed with miracles. Miracles happened to prophet Abraham when he was throwned into fire, which is a proof of his prophethood. Miracle happened to Job after his people taught he could not be cured from his illness. Prophet moses performed miracle by turning his stick to snake which shaken all pharao's sorcerers, thereby establishes the proof of his prophethood. Likewise, prophet Muhammad brought Quran which is miraculous to arab peoets and orators and performed miracle by spliting the moon as a request from people of Mecca to establish the proof of his prophethood. Islam gives the right guidance for muslims not to search for miracles as a solution to thier problems. If solution comes after prayer, then gives thank to God, and it doesn't resulted to any testimony adverts or publicing it. However, prayer should not be seen as an alternative to medical treatment or the absolute solution to all problems rather something to coroborate it.

From what you asked me to digest, which i did, i will need your source to be specific on Enoch Adeboye, David Oyedepo, Matthew Ashimolowo as it were, concerning T.B Joshua and the kenyan Arcbishop,  and if unable,  i think they need to get facts before they give it to the public or God will deal mercilessly with them,  As far as i am concern, the foundation of the Lord standeth sure; and the Lord knows those who are his.
Go on,  You need a brain surgeon to remove the islamic fluid in your head to be able to get things clear in christiandom,  na waoooooooooo after your brother babs will be claiming to know the bible, , well you are yet to answer my question, tell me the miracle muhammad did that made him a prophet,  with quranic  references,

Thanks for your analysis, and mind you, brain surgeon will never work on me coz Islam in me is natural not brainwash. Now,your analysis shows you have trust in some pastors and not in others, which means you need more researches in your Christendom before Islam.

Moreover, there are miracles everywhere differ from what you and your pastors are projecting as miracles. Generally, for you to wakeup breathing eachday is a miracle; for you to escape death in a fatal accident is a miracle; for a pregnant woman to deliver safely is a miracle;for you to suddenly secured a job after 10 years of graduation amongst 1000 applicants is a miracle; for a woman to conceived after several years of marriage is a miracle and so on. There is no substantiated evidence that if you have not prayed or pastor pray for you, the same occurrence wouldn't have happened. The advertisement would start coming in when the pastors called you for public testimony or publicizing what has happened to you through him. To great miracles which are mostly advocated, as u've said in your first post; quoted:

"Well, I mean tetimonies like rasing the dead, making the blind see, making the lame work, like a AIDS patience"

Which are most commonly performed by those miracles pastors you are not absolutely sure of thier deeds or thier source. Likewise, you shot yourself in the foot from your statement; quoted:

"MIRACLES ARE TRUE, though not all are true, "

which if I have to base my judgement on this, supported with the bible verse; quoted:
"If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe [it] not."

Is it not saver to be just a true believer and empowering oneself with prayer and divine books towards fulfilling of ones needs rather than being a miracle slave out of lack of self esteem, perceived unworthiness and powerless by believing to seek for solution from one pastors which his source of power is hidden or stage manage miracles to gain followerships and wealth.

In Islam, there is a clear guidance which has no contradictions or ambiguity; Allah and His prophet made us understood that any miracles that had happened or is happening is a sign from Almighty God. Not necessarily the miracles that happen to us as human being but also whatever arround us. And as an evidence from natures, you see some creatures with Allah's name inscribed on them naturally. Also, Islam has some recommended prayer and fasting which has spiritual solutions to peculiar problems. If done as prescribed and the solution is achieved, Allah is glorify, and that shouldn't resulted to publicity by given testimony. But if otherwise, you still praise God; from Him will come and to Him is our returned. 
Moreover, there is no prophetic consultation in Islam. That is, a Muslim shouldn't consult someone to know his future. If someone experience a sign from his dream and it pass, there shouldn't be publication either that Allah has given him the power of unknown. And if someone claimed and advertise being a prophet with the knowledge of unknown or the power to perform miracles, Islam refers him as a liar. And that is the truth which came to my mind when those miracles pastors started televising miracles until NBC ban them.

In the present generation, Muslims believes the divine message is already completed which is enough for those who is ready to serve God, one does not need to experience one miracle or the other for you to have faith in God. There will be no prophet like Abraham,Jesus,Moses and Muhammad again, except the 2nd coming of Jesus. And that is the message of Islam which is clearly stated in Quran and Hadith.

@todak,
I think your impression needed to be corrected what you claimed perceived as sharia:

if you were set up to be in possesion of what is not your, your will also be amputated, for the fact that the object was in your possesion, ignoring the fact that you are not a thief, hmmm, that is a good islamic propanganda,

Which clearly shows you lack knowledge about laws. Even, in common laws, if the investigation proves you a criminal, you will be penalized, and that is how it is in any law. The final judgement is always left to God.
Now, tell me which aspect and in which case does sharia amputate? In Nigeria for example, in several situation where just a civic thief could lose his life upon stealing to feed himself, reverse is the case of sharia because there is no job for majority. Thereby, such thief is provided with job and or enlisted to be provided all he needs to feed himslef and his family.

You live right there in the north, you should tell me more, like i said, tens of people are awaiting amputation, and so it is cos you given it a kind of quranic and hadithal backup, so do not be tense up,

I asked you where are the tens are awaiting amputation and what are thier offences? You don't need to project what you have little or no knowledge about. Have you ever witness any trial on Sharia, even I doubted it if you have experience it any in common law. A society like Nigeria still have sharia as optional, even in the North, not totally compulsory on everybody. Even, some christians prefer to be judge with sharia law because of many opportunities which I have witness severally.

Like making your fellow man an amputee and making him a beggar in the south, come see them plenty for south begging for alms, kai na wetin sharia don tun them to,

Which shows you are a liar, a propangdist to be precised? You never travel out of your base to know the reasons you have plenty beggers amongst the northern people. It is very clear you are a proxy believer, never mind you can easily be brainwashed with miracles. I needed not to derailed the thread. If you need details on sharia, there exist a sharia thread, come on and present your case and you will be properly fetched.

@tudor

Wrong! allah can never be my GOD,speak for yourself.i'll rather worship pig shit than be a slave to that demon god allah.

Yours is not genuine, that is where you belong, worshiping pig is even fit you like a glove. Even if you were made to believe, old nature never die, no matter how pig is trained or teach, pig is pig and mud is their home.

@todak

Every child of God including i can perform miracles, we do not need to go fetish before miracle can take place, and like i earlier said, the level at which you walk with God will determine how much God will walk with you, you can't expect a christian who still falls into sin to perform miracles, it takes maturity in Christ coupled with prayer and Fasting.

And we dont need to start advertising miracles either. Anybody who believe in God can pray and his prayer will be answerred. Not laying claim to calling people to come for miracles like the ones we have now.

Surprised!!!, why not ask your muslim brethen that are converted, why they left Islam for Christianity, when i hear their stories, i felt like crying, 

I don't need to ask for thier testimonies, theose one on NL is even enough which clearly shows they used to be lazy mulsims throughout before they converted. They had little or no understandings from islamic concepts.

Islam is absolute boundage.

Yes, Islam will continue to be bondage for the lazy ones in dying need of miracles. Those that could not rationally depends on divine guidance and wisdom. You will agree with me that most reverted to Islam never see the bondage in Islam before?

today I was reading the update on what was going on in the north especially concerning the Jihad and Sharia stuff, tens of people awaiting amputation of one part of the body or the other, some to be stone to death for adultery and incesent flogging for fornication, you see the government careless about the populace only for sharia to be strictly adhered to and the rest,  it is disgusting,  so Listen, Our God is a miraclulous God, I'm not only a Christian because of GOd's miracles in my life but his presence is alway with me in anything i do, My God is too Good to leave him,  Oh how i wish you could understand what i mean by abiding in Christ. hmmmmmmmmm Lord thank You for i am not in Bondage

It doesn't take a Phd to know Sharia is a muslims life. It is differ from christianity. Islam is very practicable, needless of all propaganda, how many people beheaded during the life of the prophet? How many amputated? Even in Saudi Arabia today, how many are being killed,amputated for commiting one offence or the others? I will catch you, tell me which area from the north are people awaiting judgement? You liars! Even with the political inclined sharia. Just don't ditort the thread come on sharia thread and you shall be fetched.

Miracles proves God and who he is and so it is esteemed in Christianity, which makes it a foothold by the devil and his agent to divert attention from true miracles,

Is that a bible verse or your own insertion?
I refer you to a biblical verse that people will lay claimed of miracles which Jesus did not send them. And I asked you question, how to recognize the fake from original and you said it would last; show me, is that a proof the bible?
BIble said, fake prophets will perform miracles and mislead many, even the elect, and you todak, is sentimentalizing bible words. It is even go further that they will be calling people to come to forests, mountain etc. And from your satement:

"by their fruit you shall know them"

miracles is one of the worst ever misleading tools of the present age according to your bible
You can digest some parts of thier fruits and start judging by yourself:

Criminals Posing as Men of God

The most stinking and revolting aspect of the evangelical work in Africa is faith-healing. Most Evangelical pastors in Africa are now faith healers. They claim to have powers to cure all diseases and solve all problems. Recently, Gilbert Deya, a self acclaimed archbishop from Kenya, got himself into trouble. He said he could make infertile black couples give birth to miracle babies. But police investigations revealed child theft and baby trafficking. Some years ago, a Nigerian pastor Temitope Joshua – of the Synagogue of All Nations – announced to the world that he could cure HIV/AIDS. But his claims were later discovered to be all fake and forgery.

In 2001, the German evangelist, Renhard Bonnke, was reported to have raised somebody from the dead. There have been a lot of such indiscriminate claims of miracles and divine healing by Nigeria’s televangelists and doomsday preachers – Chris Oyakhilome, Enoch Adeboye, David Oyedepo, Helen Ukpabio, and Matthew Ashimolowo etc. These faith-healers use the money extorted from miracle seekers to mount billboards and sponsor radio and television programmes advertising their miracles. Last year, the Broadcasting commission in Nigeria had to ban the transmission of miracles on national television. Faith healing is the greatest threat to scientific medicine and health care delivery in Africa.

Claims of divine cure and healing cannot be reconciled with the dire health situation in Africa. Africa has the highest infant mortality rate in the world. And millions out there are still dying of preventable diseases like malaria and tuberculosis. According to the United Nations, 6000 African children die – and 11,000 get infected with HIV/AIDS every day. And if indeed there are people with supernatural powers to heal the sick, raise the dead and cure all ailments, why are Africans suffering and dying; why are human beings suffering and dying?

Date First Published: March 15, 2006

http://www.frontlineafrica.org/content.php?x=Africa%20and%20Evangelical%20Christianity

There are millions of examples, i will mention only if my question is answered, which miracle did muhammad performed that made him a prophet or made people believe he was a prophet, ,. so do not divert the tread,ok. Let me tell you, many that became christians were christians because of one miracle or the other,  and the miracle lasted,  no be dem say, 

Miracles happened to everybody everyday differ from what you proclaimed as miracles. Islam is a practical religion, you don't need to advertise miracles before you know miracles is happening in ones life. Why the govt of Nigeria banned your fellow pastors from TV miracles? Moreso, to your question, refer to my earlier post, major miracles performed by prophets were mostly related to the contemporary believes or knowledge of the people around them, and I explain in detailed. If you can't find it, I won't help you.

todak:

Is that one of the miracles muhammad performed, , well, give quranic references. and as for you babs, real miracles do last, also when you are prayerful, you will not be decieved, , your relationship with God determines how much God speaks to you, so whether fake or real, God still use his children to perform miracles,

Ogbeni, a beere iru o funwa ni ila. Who are those children of God that are now authorize to be advertising miracles? bonkee, oyakhilome, joshua e.t.c.I wont be surprise if you only remain in Christianity for miracle fellowship. Which position does miracle takes in christainty? Practically, how do you recognize fake from original?You claim true miracles will last, then give examples.

woleb:

Dear Muslims; kindly read: -


Where Did Allah Come From?

by Robert A. Morey
© 1996 Research and Education Foundation

Muslims worship a god by the name of Allah. They also give him ninety-nine other names. The question that naturally arises is who or what is this Allah? Where did the Muslims derive their ideas of Allah's nature and attributes?

Historical Source of Islam

Historians, linguists, and archeologists have dug into this question for over a century. Various archeological digs in Arabia and throughout the Middle East have uncovered the answer: Islam is a modern version of the ancient fertility religion of the moon god. Once this is grasped, the rise and history of Islam becomes clear.

The Arab conquests were made possible because the central powers in the Middle East had exhausted themselves in wars against each other. They were not able to fight off wave after wave of Arab armies which subdued entire nations with merciless slaughter, rape and plunder.

Conquering Armies

The Arabs destroyed some of the wonders of the ancient world such as the world famous library in Alexandria, Egypt, They destroyed many ancient churches and synagogues. Anthropologists have recorded how the Arabs destroyed the cultural heritage of any nation which fell under their sword.

Who were these Arabs? They obviously were not Christians because they destroyed churches and murdered priests wherever they went. Obviously, they were not Jews because they persecuted Jews without pity. This is seen today in their hatred of Israel and the many wars and acts of terrorism waged against Jews throughout the world.

If the Arab hordes which swept over the ancient world were not Christians or Jews, then what were they? They were pagans who worshipped a pagan god called Allah and followed pagan rites which were practiced in Arabia long before the religion of Islam evolved.

Islam Denies the Trinity

These facts of history reveal that Islam does not worship the same God worshipped by Christians. Why?

Christians worship one God in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But Islam denies the Holy Trinity and worships a different deity called Allah who is not a Father and who has no son.

Since the religion found in the Bible teaches the Trinity, then it does not take a Ph.D. to see that Islam did not come from the Bible. Thus it is not the religion of the biblical prophets, apostles or Jesus.

Pagan Origins

Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc,  These were pagan rites practiced by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born.

The Crescent Moon

What religion today practices the pagan rites of the moon god? Islam! This explains why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. It is placed on top of mosques and minarets and displayed on hats, flags, rugs, amulets and even jewelry. Every time you see the Muslim symbol of a crescent moon, you are seeing the ancient symbol of the moon god.

Denial Not a Refuge

Does the average Muslim know that he is worshipping a moon god? No. Does he know why the crescent moon symbol sits on top of his mosque? No. Is he shocked and perhaps angered at these facts of history? Yes. But can mere denial or angry threats refute the fact that Islam is nothing more than a modern version of the ancient religion of the moon god Allah? No. The average Muslim has been kept in the dark by the Mullahs and Imams who would lose their power if the truth ever got out.


Worship the True God

Dear Muslim friend, instead of worshipping a false moon god called Allah, you should worship the God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. This one true God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Read the New Testament for it is the true Word of God. For further information on Islam and the Holy Trinity, contact:

Jesuis is LORD mohamMAD is DEAD 

Where you and your Morey writers got the story from? Is the same Allah Abaraham, Moses and Jesus worshiped. There is no historical reference to back your claim.

My response was basically part of the sharia rules on matrimony and it is applicable to a general community.

bawomolo:

isn't apostacy worthy of death in certain Islamic Republics?

abi na lie?

Yes, apostate could be killed, but not in all cases and it only applicable to apostates who live under an Islamic theocratic state. For much detail, check the following thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-185191.0.html

Look there is something called force majure in contract. No one can help the natural and untended act occurs. No one should be penalize for it. However, when you enter into a contract, with evil intention to destroy the other party, by your action, of failure to conform to what your duties are in the contract, then after a set of steps have been taking to bring to your notice your duty, there should be upon your refusal, a call to the abetrators or legal efforts to address the criminality of your action as the offending party.

Criminal and Civil judgement maybe the way to go. It is the same with the religion of Islam. Allah says that those who disbelief, after belief. And then belief again, and then disbelief again. This verse shows that not the mere leaving of Islam, or apostates of it is a ground for death penalty. It must have those other evil and terrible additional qualities.

If a man renounces his citizenship of a country is not enough for the government to want to kill him. But when he gets involved with undermining her security, in the effort of making it weak against its enemies, then the most liberal society will seek death penalty on his life!

Thing of it, it is better for a person to die, while million lives are preserved, saved as a result. When that person is evil, he should be made a true example of the ending of evil soul!

Islam has a regulation for the matrimonial in which muslim couple could follow if either party left Islam. In Islam, marraige is a bond that shouldn't be broken except for compelling reasons. According to sharia, a wife is required to be asked if she wants to keep her marriage or file for divorce.
If she insists to stay with her husband, depend on the Islamic community they belong, however, generally, the husband is advice to marry another muslim wife to take cater for the children and the family, because such converted wife could be harmful to the family. Moreso, the husband possesses the right to divorce his wife if she denounce being a muslim engulfing not performing salat, remove hijab, adultery e.t.c.

If the wife could remain with such husband, the husband and the muslim community must ensure to secure the family in thier own capacity and let the woman know her rights as a non muslim under a muslim husband.

If a couple fears separation, you shall appoint an arbitrator from his family and an arbitrator from her family; if they decide to reconcile, GOD will help them get together. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant. Qr4:35

If such husband died, the woman should be denied the rights to whatever the husband left behind. In case of situation grows irreparably , divorce between them is thereby recommended. However, "among all the permitted acts, divorce is the most hateful to God" (Hadith). In most cases where this happened and that I have witnessed, such wife is mostly divorced. And in some cases, the couples could still be remarry themselves after thier first divorce in case if the wife reverted back. A situation which I have witnessed too.

The following ref. also applicable:

Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her. However, the couple may fear that they may transgress GOD's law. If there is fear that they may transgress GOD's law, they commit no error if the wife willingly gives back whatever she chooses. These are GOD's laws; do not transgress them. Those who transgress GOD's laws are the unjust. Qr2:229

You shall allow them to live in the same home in which they lived with you, and do not make life so miserable for them that they leave on their own. If they are pregnant, you shall spend on them until they give birth. If they nurse the infant, you shall pay them for this service. You shall maintain the amicable relations among you. If you disagree, you may hire another woman to nurse the child. Qr65:6

davidylan:

Depends, if she's in the west or relatively more moderate countries, she may get away with it. In islamic republics though that would be tantamount to signing her death warrant.

I dont know when pastor david bacame a muslim judge?

Tudör:

From the way i've been treated by one of your own mrcrakles,i'd say hell yes,it says insult them,threaten them and from what i see in the middle east being preached by ayatollahs KILL them!

This is a baseless evidence. Kill who?

folami86:

Is Islam all about disrespect for non-Muslims

Islam teaches respect for all created being not only humans but also animals. Even, in Islam, you should not kill animal unjustifiable.

@Tudor

So because osama killed 2500,america should just select 2500 and kill,so isreal should just kill 13 palestinians coz terrorist hamas only killed 13.you're an idiot!if u're strong enough to start a war,you should have the guts to at least finish it.cowardly pigs hamas declared truce,why didn't they fight it out.murdering cowards!as long as you terrorize israel and america,prepare to face the concequences.cowards!

mr man! Is that why you want kill yourself with emotion. If you believe some are pigs by figthing, then you are a worst pigs ever by your judgement. Because there is no absolute authenticity of the information you have. Proof it to me if osama responsible for 9/11. Proof it if the US and or Isreal is only fighting Hamas alone. Moreover, where is your proof of the right the US has to fight Iraq. And why US is backing the isreali army, providing amunitions and troops.

slowpoke,the 80,000 who have died,have most of them not died in sectarian violence incidents? There was a point a day will not pass without suicide bombings killing hundreds of innocents.i begining to think the art of barbarinism is programmed in the islamic DNA.Did bush strap bombs on their bodies and tell them to go  bomb their brothers in markets,mosques e.t.c.

Suicide bombing is not approved in islam as a fighting methodology. Even, suicide alone is abolutely forbidden. The killings of the helpless and their retaliation has political undertone which I personally could not judge.
Do you know how many muslims schools have been closed down and all children and teachers are killed by US army in Afgan alone claiming they are potential terrorists. Do you how many people arrested on the streets of Kabul and Istanbul alone tortured and killed because they appear as a muslims. Do you how many women raped in Iraq by US army. How do you think people affected will react?

All evidence on US wars against terrorists was significantly pronounced from 9/11. Whereas, America soldeirs posing in searching of Osama upon framed calimed he is responsible for 9/11. Since then, can't you look at tremendious damages it has done to humanity. Unfortunately, most of US fall into wrong judgement by depending on media from US sources. My believe is just that deceiving people will only last  but for a while.

Is islam not supposd to be about brotherhood,love for your kind?you've been frustrated in your bloodshed now you guys are just killing your own people to pacify your god.at this rate,your savage lot might become extinct

Are you telling me Muslims are responsible for suicide bombing inside the mosque and or killing other muslims? Show me a proof.

davidylan:

Is that why we have ridiculous threads on the islam board celebrating "stars" who are rumored to be muslims?

That is davidylan view. You celebrated whatever you like! That is why some celebrated their rumored god was killed as atonement for their sins.

woleb:

Kindly read, it will enable you to open your heart to the truth, Allah himself says, let there be NO COMPULSION in faith/ belief, so please click the link and open your heart to the truth, JESUS IS LORD AND MOHAMMAD IS DEAD

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

Your deceiving tract is for the chicks. However Muslims are not.

woleb:

Mudslims, may I remind that even your pre Islamic moon good - lilahmohamadu - said that you need to present your argument with the people of the book ie me as a Christian ]

You don't even have understanding of what you've posted. Artificial head could have save your intelligence! bigger head to be precise, large eyes to see behind the bars and bigger ears to hear the truth.

threads that are meant for learning and teaching cannot be said to be open or subjected to interruption by the xtrian or pagan, it render the thread baseless.

And that is why we have moderators. People should be encouraged not to deviate from topics.

What ? Didnt you see aspersion and brutal assault against Allah and His Apostle ? Do you think if i can see them one on oneat that very moment i will let them go free ?

Just leave them, all these people are your friends, you might not even know that you are related biologically. Moreso, you don't need to fight, just pray for them, what they did to prophet in his life were more than this. Yoruba says "Omo re go, o lo okologbon, se wo lo ko lago". That is, the disease of a fool has no cure except by God's intervention. You have to argue with them in the best manner, and as a guidance in any conversation by imam Shafii:

There are four types of people in this world who enter a conversation/ discussion:
1. One who knows not, and himself knows he knows not, is a student. Teach that person.
2. One who knows, and others know he knows, is a teacher. Learn from that person.
3. One who knows, and himself knows not that he knows, is humble. Encourage him.
4. One who knows not, and himself knows not that he knows not, is stupid. Avoid that person.
In any dialogue keep these in mind, and you shall be guided to productive discourses.

todak:

Littleb, do not say what you do not know, cos the bible is full of miracles, you said some thing like In Islam, believe is that such miraculous performance is given to His prophets as a sign, especially for people to believe them they were sent by God Almighty. So tell me what miracle did Muhammad did that made all the people then  to believe him? and atleast as the zeal of all prophets, he should have done a tangible miracle for him to be believed, so do not give me those talk of miracles done today are false, go to the site i gave in my previous post, MIRACLES ARE TRUE AND REAL. If you do not believe, thats your decision, ok

Todak, you have to lower your emotion in order to get things right. Islam believes that miracles were bestowed upon prophets in order to established the proof of thier prophethood. Moreso, the greatest mircale perform by each of them is differ from one another and its mostly related to the believe of thier people. First, Prophet Moses's people were great magicians and so lie the most significant miracle he performed. Also, Jesus contemporaries were great physiscians and so lies the miraculous raising the deads and cure the incurable diseases. Now to your question about prophet Muhammad's miracles. First, arab contemporaries then were known for their eloquence and magnificent poetry. So the first great miracle of Islam is the Quran which challenge the whole arab poets and orators, yet they couldn't produce the likes.
Moreover, prophet muhammad performs other mircales includes spliting the moon, water mmultiplication and food multiplication, supplication for rain, produce light to guide his followers out of darkness. All divine prophets have gone with thier mircales, lets concentrate on the present generation



Now, my friend, probably NL will serve you to teach me what I know not. If you believe miracles were perform by prophet to establish the proof of thier prophethood, is that equivalent to the present day churches miracles adverts to establish the proof of thier pastoraship/prophethood? Now, you said in your previous posts;

"MIRACLES ARE TRUE, though not all are true, but THEY ARE REAL"

. Then, how could you know the fake from original? How could you differentiate the magician/sorcery from just ordinary prayer? Kindly juxtapose your response with the following bible verses;
Math 24:
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told you beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe [it] not.

And above all, not all christians believe these miracle pastors, OYAKHILOME, T.B. JOSHUA,bonkee etc.

[size=16pt]IS THE BLACK STONE AN IDOL?

IS THE PILGRIMAGE A PAGAN RITE?[/size]

By: Abdus-Samad Sharafuddin



Let us examine closely the square-structured Ka’bah (The Holy House) at Makkah, in Arabia, wherein in its Eastern corner lies the Black Stone set up chest-high. Every pilgrim in Makkah tries to kiss and caress it fondly, the first thing upon arrival there. This action marks the start of the act of Tawaf. The word "Tawaf" is an arabic infinitive noun which means to circle, compass or move around something. A pilgrim has to circle the Ka’bah seven times, to complete Tawaf. Each one of the seven rounds begins by kissing or caressing if possible, or by simply pointing at the Black Stone. The Black Stone thus, serves to mark the start of each round. Tawaf is one of the integral parts of Pilgrimage (Hajj), which is also performed, as a separate act of worship at any time. Thus we find the Ka’bah continually being circled by people day and night.

THE REAL IMPORTANCE OF TAWAF

Circumumbulating the Ka’bah and kissing the stone are in fact considered the Tawaf’s outer aspects, apart from its inner significance. They resemble something like the standing, bowing, prostrating and sitting postures observed in the daily Islamic prayers. Yet, the prayer postures, as well as the circling around the Ka’bah coupled with kissing, both form the outward shell of the chaff, which preserves the grain. The grain of the Tawaf lies in the lofty meanings of the Pilgrim’s recitation and prayers, in the soul-stirring emotions surging in his heart - such as his extreme love for Allah, his awe of Him, and his high hopes in Him. Examine, for instance, the words brimful of God's oneness, which the pilgrim utters. It is his regular formula, at the start of each round of the Tawaf, as he kisses, caresses, or points at the Black Stone, declaring: "(I begin) in the Name of Allah who is Most Great. O Allah! (I perform) believing in thee, confirming Thy Book, fulfilling Thy Pledge, and following the Way of Thy Prophet, Muhammad - Blessing and peace upon him!" As such, the Tawaf around the Ka’bah is done solely in the Name of the One Supreme Allah, and that it is never done in the name of any other deity, nor for the Black Stone itself, as others allege. The operation of Tawaf is in compliance with the Holy promise the pilgrim has committed with His Lord. He does it as a believer in the One God, not as an idolater, but as a conformer of Allah’s revealed Books, and as a follower of His Prophet (Peace be upon him). Far from worshipping the Stone, the Pilgrim is kissing it, or pointing at it, just as was done by the Prophet (Peace be upon him) in his time.

GLORIFYING THE ONE GOD

Find out, how the pilgrim goes on glorifying Allah the most High, while performing the rounds, with these noble hymns: "Glory be to Allah! All Praise be to Allah! There is no deity save God. Allah is Most Great! There is no handling, nor power, save by Allah's Help." A Monotheist (One-God worshipper) holds these sublime prayers far more valuable than the earth's entire riches. With these, he praises his One and Only Lord, as he circles a spot made Holy by the presence of His House. Is there any remotest trace of Polytheism (multi-god worship) or Idolatry in such an act?

A SELECT PRAYER

As he has left all his worldly affairs behind, the pilgrim, besides praising Allah, also goes on praying for his worldly betterment, in between. Here is his all-embracing prayer to Allah, the Benevolent: "O Allah! make me content with my appointed lot, and bless me therein. And make good to me all, my losses and needs."

THE TWO-WORLD PRAYER

Unlike unbelievers, the pilgrim has a living faith in the coming, eternal hereafter. He does not fail here, therefore, to say the best possible prayer man could ever ask. It is from the Qur'an itself, and combines both the good of this world and the world to come in his supplication as follows: " O Lord! Bestow upon us the good in this world and the good in the hereafter. And save us from the torment of the fire" Holy Qur’an 12:201.

COULD A STONE BE GOD?

Although so reverently kissed and caressed during the Tawaf, the Black stone, in one of the corners of the Ka’bah, is no graven image for the pilgrims to worship. That is the last thing any One-God worshipper could ever imagine. For a stone is just a mere stone after all. It has no power whatsoever to do good or inflict harm to any one, apart from Allah, the Sole Deity of mankind. That is a thing cherished either knowingly, ignorantly or figuratively - by those who take to stone-worship instead of God-worship, a belief and practice as unholy as it is senseless. This is why the Black Stone becomes a mystery to such people, and so, some out of ignorance openly charge that Muhammad (Peace be upon him) did break every Idol in Islam except one - meaning the Ka’bah, or the Black Stone. Why, even unwitting Muslims get easily confused about the Black Stone. It was hence that 'Umar the second Caliph, did well to remove this hidden doubt from the mind. So when he came to kiss the Stone, he cried out publicly to it: Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabi’a: ‘Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can either harm anyone nor benefit anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you. Summarized Sahi Al-Bukhari, Al-Hajj, page 396 No. 808 on the Black Stone,

TRUE STORY OF THE BLACK STONE

More than five thousand years ago today, the father of the prophets, prophet Ibraham (Peace be upon him) the Upright (Haneef), had built the present structure of the Ka’bah under Allah’s own orders. He (Peace be upon him) had built it along with his youthful son, Ishmael (Peace be upon him), forefather of the Arabs. This is how the Qur'an describes their building it together: "And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah) at Makkah, ( saying), ‘Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, all Knower.’" ( Qur’an 2:127). The father and the son, true Monotheists (Muslims), were thus raising the foundations with trembling hearts, for the Muslims are Allah’s most devoted servants, ever fearful of his displeasure. While building the Ka'bah, therefore, both of them were afraid that Allah may not accept their humble service, hence that prayer of theirs. How touching of such fidelity, how moving of such humility towards Allah the Great! It is the essence of Monotheism, the ideal pattern of Faith and Actions great and small for all Muslims to follow. When raised to a certain height, Ibraham (Peace be upon him) ordered his son to choose a piece of stone to mark the main cornerpoint. Even as the lad was searching for it, the Archangel Gabriel appeared with the Black Stone from Heaven.

Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said: "The Black stone descended from heaven, when it was whiter than Milk, but people’s sins have blackened it". Tirmidhi, Kitab Al-Hajj, the Black stone,

Abraham (Peace be upon him) took it up and fitted it in, and there it stands up to this day. It is a heavenly stone, then, and not an earthly one. It was selected by Allah for His Holy House (the Ka'bah).

TEACHING THE PILGRIMAGE RITES

The building thus finished, this is how Ibraham and Ihmail (Peace be upon them) went on further praying to Allah, in the next Verse; "Our Lord! And make us submissive unto you and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manasik (all the ceremonies of Pilgrimage - Hajj and Umrah etc.) and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful." ( Qur’an 2:128). Thereupon Allah taught them through revelation the pilgrimage rites, which includes the Tawaf.

IS KISSING ESSENTIAL?

We have known the working procedure of the Tawaf, it consists of circling around the Ka’bah seven times. Each circle begins by kissing the Black Stone, or by caressing it, which is its normal procedure. But Tawaf is not a one-man business, hundreds, even thousands, are circling the Ka’bah at one and the same time. How could each person kiss the Black Stone separately? Naturally, when so over-crowded, the kissing will have to be dispensed with by some or many of them. At such times it is quite enough therefore, to face the Black Stone from any distance, and only point at it by one's right hand, at the start of each round. The pilgrim then recites his formula and proceeds on.

HISTORY UNFOLDS A RARE ASPECT

Assuming that the Black Stone is missing for one reason or another, does it render the Tawaf and Pilgrimage invalid and void on such account? Absolutely not. This is exactly what has already happened in the history of Islam. The Karamathians (Arabic: al-Qaramitah), the most un-islamic sect in Islam, had removed the Black Stone during their mad merrymaking in the year 317 AH/980 AD. They carried it away with them to their territory in Al-Ahsa (in the Arabian Gulf). After keeping it there for twenty years, they had returned it back to Makkah in the year 339 AH (see shorter Encyclopedia Leiden 1953, P. 219). In such an event, the Shariah (Law) maintains that the pilgrim shall perform his Tawaf without the Black stone. Instead of the Black Stone, the pilgrim shall touch its place at the corner of the Ka’bah, or point at its spot, and continue his Tawaf. Thus the total absence of the Stone itself makes no difference in the validity of the Tawaf and the Pilgrimage. This shows how tiny a part is being played by this stone. How ignorant of others and how childish, therefore, sounds the charge that it is the "most Precious Idol preserved by Islam"!

DOES KISSING MEAN WORSHIPPING?

Kissing a stone is not a sign of its worship at all. Kissing the Black Stone cannot be twisted into an idol worship, for the stone is no image, just as mere kissing is not worshipping by a mere imagination. Anyone might allege that Muslims do worship a certain ‘idol’. But the fact remains that they do not worship anything save God, the One. The idol and its worship simply do not exist. The Bible is kissed in lawcourts; does that mean then that it is worshipped? Moreover, parents kiss their children lovingly, without any trace of worship in it at all. A big question-mark that should come to one’s mind are the pre-Islamic Arab idolaters who had held the Ka’bah. With all their polytheism and idolatry, they too used to circle the Ka’bah and kiss the Black Stone. Had their kissing been an act of idol- worship, why then was there still a need for them-despite the presence of the "almighty" Black Stone-to install three hundred and sixty idols therein? This proves beyond a shadow of doubt that it is one thing to kiss the Black Stone under Divine Orders, and quite another to worship a stone or an idol. Most notable, perhaps, is the fact that One-God worshippers do nothing beyond simply kissing the Black Stone. They neither venerate it with folded hands, nor kneel down, nor prostrate themselves, nor squat before it. For all these is done only by idol-worshippers before their idols.

IS THE PILGRIMAGE A PAGAN RITE?

Some non-Muslims think or are made to believe that the Pilgrimage to Ka’bah is purely a pagan rite or one form of idol-worship. That it was being practiced by the Arab idolaters before Islam, and that Islam borrowed it from them. This assumption is further aided by the fact that the Ka’bah itself had been a temple housing no less than three hundred and sixty idols. Nevertheless, this is a pure conjecture belying facts and figures. For it was not the idolaters of Makkah, but prophet Abraham (Peace be upon him), who had initiated and established the holy Pilgrimage thereof, ages ago. On the contrary, it was these very idolaters, the degenerate descendants of Abraham and Ishmael (Peace be upon them), who had defiled Allah’s Holy Ka'bah into a huge pantheon. It was these rank idolaters who had injected pagan rites into the purely Islamic Pilgrimage laid down by prophet Abraham (Peace be upon him), one of the greatest worshippers of God. All honour is due to prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), the seal of the prophets and the last of Abraham's (Peace be upon him) line of Prophethood, who first swept clean the Holy Ka'bah from its heathen idols. It was he again who restored the original pilgrimage to its pristine purity. The Muslims, are in fact the true followers of the Religion of prophet Abraham (Peace be upon him), the grand-father of prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him), where pilgrimage to Makkah is a notable heritage as well as an important fixture of the religion. How different could these facts be from the Non-muslims' random conjecture?

BUILDING THE HOUSE AND PROCLAIMING THE HAJJ

This is how Allah declared to prophet Abraham (Peace be upon him) regarding his Sacred House after showing him the site thereof: " And Remember when We showed Ibrahim (Abraham) the site of the Holy House (the Ka’bah) at Makkah saying : Associate not anything in worship with Me, [La Ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah - Islamic Monotheism], and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow and submit themselves with humility and obedience to Allah), and make prostration in prayer." Qur’an 22:26. Abraham (Peace be upon him) is being himself ordained in this verse to keep perfectly away from idolatry. He is being told, as well, to sanctify the House of God from all kinds of impurities, especially from that of idol-worship. Then follows the two-fold purpose for which that House was being built. First, is its being the center of Tawaf for those who compass it round, and its being the prayer-place for those who pray therein their daily Prayers second. This is as much as to say that the Tawaf and the Pilgrimage do depend upon the house of God, as much as do the prayers. For this reason all those who pray all the world over do turn in the one direction of the Ka’bah at Makkah. After being ordained to build and sanctify God's Ka’bah, prophet Abraham (Peace be upon him) receives in the next verse the command to proclaim the Pilgrimage to the Ka’bah, in this manner: "And proclaim to mankind the Hajj. They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant wide mountain highway to perform Hajj." Qur’an 22:27. That definitely proves that it was Abraham (Peace be upon him) who built the Ka’bah, and that it was also he who proclaimed the Pilgrimage, facts that should equally refute the oft-repeated allegation put forth that pilgrimage was some pagan rite invented by the heathen idolaters, and retained by Islam.

HIGHLIGHT OF PILGRIMAGE

Initiated by Abraham (Peace be upon him), and reflected by the Seal of the Prophets, Pilgrimage to the House of God is a unique experience to every true Muslim. For a "Muslim" is essentially the one who shifts from the false to the true Religion - from disbelief to Belief in God, and from multi-god to One-God worship. This trait made Abraham (Peace be upon him) a "Perfect" Muslim when he entered the Pantheon at Babylon, and smashed the idols therein to pieces. Allah entrusted him with building His House at Makkah, and tasked him to proclaim the Pilgrimage to it. Henceforth, Pilgrimage to the House of God becomes the most predominant trait of being a Muslim. A haven of absolute freedom, and a sanctuary of perfect peace and security, this Holy Mosque is the only spot on earth set up by Allah for one and all the people alike, without any distinction. It is the House of God wherein all men are equal, none being entitled to own it exclusively. This is told in these words of Allah: ", and from Al-Masjid-al-Haram at Makkah which We have made open to all men, the dweller in it and the visitor from the country, "(Qur’an 22:25) The message of this Surah 22, verses 26-27 named "The Pilgrimage" itself, is describing the construction of the Ka’bah and its sanctification, it being the focal point of Tawaf as well as the center of Prayers. Thus, the incumbency of Pilgrimage to this "first house of One-God worship", etc. Verses 28-37, do contain the basic elements of the Monotheistic religion of prophet Abraham (Peace be upon him), wherein one of the main objectives emphasized is the need to celebrate the Name of Allah Alone over the animal-whether ordinarily slaughtered, or offered as sacrifices to Allah, as against those offered to the idolaters' idols, as evidenced particularly by verses 28, 30, 34, 36 and 37. "Avoiding the abomination of idols", and "neglecting the word that is false" (telling and witnessing falsehood), these two cardinal sins, have been specially prohibited in Verse 30. But the crowning message of unparalleled importance is the commandment: "Hunafa' Lillah (i.e. to worship none but Allah), not associating partners (in worship, etc.) unto Him, ", which is the soul and the heart of Monotheism (one-God worship), and the annihilator of all Polytheism (multi-god worship). This last, but not the least message, is the essence of Pilgrimage, as also the topmost concern and happiness of every Muslim. The Makkahn idolaters too, used to perform the Pilgrimage, calling themselves thereby as "Haneefs" (followers of Abraham). And therefore, Muslims are being told to perform the Pilgrimage, and call themselves as "Haneefs" but with this difference: "Being true in faith to Allah, and never assigning partners to Him". Thus the sublime Truths, the essence of the creed: "There is no deity save God", seem to be beyond the comprehension of idol-worshippers, all over the world, and in all ages.

THE FIVE-TIME PRAYERS

This performance of the Pilgrimage --- a colossal feat of Monotheism, is closely knit around the Ka’bah and its surrounding environment. It occurs only once a year, but far more important and surpassing is the performance of prayers in Islam, which are equally connected with the Ka’bah. Prayers are an obligatory duty upon every Muslim. This is why every Muslim anywhere around the world turns towards Allah, facing in the direction of the Ka’bah five times daily. Of course, the Ka’bah is for outward direction to face in one's prayers, though inwardly, one faces his entire heart, to the Lord of the Worlds Himself. In this manner, Muslims are so intimately related to the Ka’bah through their Pilgrimage and Prayers, till the last moment of their lives. Not only this, but every Muslim is made to face the direction of the Ka'bah when breathing his last. Nay, even after death he is buried in his last resting place, i.e. in the grave, so that he faces the same direction of the Ka’bah.

PRAYERS AND SACRIFICE

Both the Pilgrimage and the Prayers are equally connected with the Ka'bah. And offering an animal and the Prayers are major Hajj ceremonies, where both the Prayer and sacrifice are special tokens of the single worship of Allah, with both being jointly dedicated to Him. It is a most sublime dedication the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was asked to offer in the following words: " Say [O Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him)]: ‘Verily, my Salat (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists), He has no partner, And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims.)" (Qur’an 162-163). And this forms the only straight path, that is the religion of our father Abraham (Peace be upon him), which is referred to in the preceding verse: "Say [O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)] "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a Straight path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham). Qur’an 6:161.

INTERNATIONAL GATHERING

On the whole, the Hajj is a unique annual gathering of its own kind. Herein, true Muslims from all over the world come together on the basis of one-God worship, that is pure Monotheism and true Islam. Forgetting their mutual differences of caste, color and social status, they assemble in this international city of Makkah to glorify the One Lord of all creation. Incidentally, they get a rare opportunity here to discuss together all sorts of communal, religious, economic, social and political problems on an all-world scale, after which no better or more beneficial gathering could be imagined. Such a high, all-embracing congregation has been held every year in the House of Allah for thousands of years now. All these manifold benefits are hinted at in the words: ", That they may witness things that are of benefit to them, " Qur’an 22:28. Pilgrimage, therefore, is never a pagan rite, but rather the fulfillment of an incumbent duty concerning One-God worship!

INVITATION TO NON-MUSLIMS

This is the legacy left behind by prophet Ibraham (Peace be upon him) for all posterity to accept and follow, and no people of any country or nation, are an exception to that posterity. Instead of regarding the Pilgrimage duty as a pagan rite, people ought to reflect upon their own age-old idolatry, and accept and follow the religion of our father Abraham (Peace be upon him). The hour has come for these very people to proclaim of their own accord: "There is no God Worthy of worship except Allah!" May they perform the Pilgrimage to the House of God at Makkah! And may they offer their Prayers regularly facing towards that same House! Ameen…

@todak,

todak:

plz, let there be order in the house,  i only want to hear of testimonies not criticizing one religion, do not turn this post to a violent one, i am talking to babs and others here involved. all i want is YES there is with examples and NO there is none. But if you want to criticize the christians, well, i am sorry to tell you, MIRACLES ARE TRUE, though not all are true, but THEY ARE REAL, and also for the poster of this:

I will tackle you on one point, if raising the dead has been ordained by God almighty to be performed by the present day churches, why cant they place thier meeting point in mortuary? At least, there are many unknown deaths everyday?

A good question, Jesus did  not heal all the sick in his time, he did not raise all the dead in his time, he did not make all the blind to see, and all those who recieved miracles were people who had faith in him to heal them, not only believe, so the miracles you see today are real, i have seen many and are still, have you seen where a shortened leg, became equal to the other, can magical powers do that?, every miracle Jesus did was  for a purpose, and if you say why are not those dying be raised back to life, then nature will not be complete, cos it is a must, we shall all die, those who were raised were raised back for purpose, did you not hear about a pastor who was raised back in one of Reihard bonnke's crusade read it here : http://www.geocities.com/discoverchurch/daniel.htm, are you telling me that, that is a fluke, the young man is hale and healthy,if you want the full story i shall post it, so do not give me that antagonizing talk, give me the answer i requested.

In Islam, there is none absolute YES or NO to your question. In Islam, basically, there are miracles and testimonies differ from that of what you proclaimed in Christianity. I know and I have heard your pastors can turn fibroid to baby, raise dead and the likes. In Islam, believe is that such miraculous performance is given to His prophets as a sign, especially for people to believe them they were sent by God Almighty. Prophet Muhammad is the zeal of all prophets, if anybody claims any miracle now and start advertising people should come for miracle, is a very good liar. Needless to say, for a reasonable person, performing miracle in the present generation is a a great and major sign of a liar according to the bible.

@neotic,

noetic:

so how about the daily suicide bombings in gaza, iraq, pakistan, afghanistan et all?
how about the killings in kano, kaduna, sudan, libya and other islamic states all over the world?
how about the daily amputation, beheading, flogging, human/women/children rights violations, underage marriages?

none of ur postulations dispute the fact that islam is a VERY VERY VIOLENT RELIGION.

It is to you that Islam is a violent religion. Islam is a peaceful religon, however, there will be no peace when there is injustice. The truth on 9/11 is just being exposed, I believe others will soon be exposed too. The enemy of Islam and the enemy of humanity have no place to operate other than within Islam. It is ony in Islam that you have opposition to that of western ideologies. Christians, Muslims, Pagans are committing crimes everyday, but the media have been polluted with the sources from western thinkers only proclaiming muslims terrorist. Suicide bombing is not synonymous to Islam, even historically and religiously, it is never a method of retaliation to oppressors according to the prophet. However, psycologically, why could someone commit suicide bombing? This is question that needs to be examined very carefully.

Killing in kano is not always religious but with socio-political coloration. It's just like saying Niger-Delta crisis is by christians terrorists. Where is this human right violations? Who are those complaining or people/media revolting on thier behalf? Sharia is muslims life, if you are a confirmed fornicator, you will be folgged, and confirmed armed robery will either have his hand amputated or killed. This is not in all cases, of these criminals either killed or amputated are mostly the incessant ones after the govt have provided all means to satisfied the masses. In country, like Nigera, such sharia verdict could not be possible to a large extent coz govt is not providing up to one-quarter of the masses basic needs; including infrastructures, education etc. Undeniably, people in govt self need to be flogged, their hand amputated or killed because under sharia, they are even hardened criminals.

Abuzola:

issue of god not calling jesus my beloved son since many sons existed & just said son d normal way he addres other sons

That is just one out of thousands words corrupted.
Davidylan will never accept your verdict from bible coz Islam says their book is corrupted. There are trio information sources regarding bible, GOD, PROPHETS and HISTORIANS. You will see in many instances, there is no ref to some biblical statements. However, Prophet Muhammad made us known to believe in what was revealed to them and not the corruptions in there.

Is it not only Islam that says bible is corrupted? Bible is a combination of so many books, not only the ones revealed to prophets alone, but the words of historians, and it is very glaring that many people have doubted it authenticity long time ago amongst the scientist, historians etc.
It is very undeniable,  God does not inspire illict acts, immorality, drunkeness  of the His prophets and many insults to God himself.

There is no need to modify or create any section for muslims or any other debating section. The section is OK. Many of the discussion here is not only for the posters alone but also many of the apologists, pagan and unbelievers who might read it in futures. The name, ISLAM FOR MUSLIMS is good, its perfect because it help people who really need important information about Islam. Moreso, I am very happy for the manner my mulsims brothers and sisters do respond in this forum, they are really doing fine. I always feel sorry for little time I have to contribute as well. My advice to posters is that people should try as much as possible not to deviate from thread's topic, thereby not missing up the conversation.
The antagonists Christians, atheist are even making it more interesting, they are welcome. In Islam, there is no compulsion in religion and you can't make people reverted to Islam except by God wishes. To my little experience especially in the western part of the world, the more the propangada on Islam, the more the knowledgeable and wise people wishes to know more about this faith, thereby, end up reverted to Islam.

@jarus,
Thanks for taking up the job. May Almighty Allah assists you.

@huxley
Enumerate your questions here for the whole world to see, I believe it would be answered

todak:

@littleleb
He could not be a prophet to you coz you don't belief in him.

and do you really believe in JESUS?

As a Muslim, I really belief in Jesus as servant and prophet of God. Islam gives so much respect for Jesus and his mother. Even in the Quran, there is a chapter named after his mother; Maryam.

Is Mohammed the last prophet from the Biblical God ?

answer: Is he a prophet from God talk less of the last prophet ?
who dash monkey banana?

He could not be a prophet to you coz you don't belief in him.

it's like asking if osisi one of the daughters of allah? (al uzat and them other 2 wooden babes)

Allah does not have children and will not have one.

Muslims could only leave the judgement to God. Even, engineering analysis shown that WTC actually collapsed from the bottom not actually through the impacted aircraft. The framed story of the arab hijackers and resulted killings of innocent victims. However, people believe any news coming from US sources as the authentic, whereas they have masterminded plan to continuing rulling the world forever, which can never be possible.

Dr. Bilal Abdul-Alim

Personally, I embraced Islam at the age of 24, in the summer of 1975, while studying medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas. After a long day of study, I went to bed on a Saturday night with no intention of becoming a Muslim.
However, two things happened during that night that would change my life completely. First of all, I had a dream in which I was commanded by a strong and firm voice, to embrace Islam immediately. I was reminded of how I had previously studied comparative religion at Wesleyan University, but refused to accept Islam even though I felt in my heart that it was the most practical way of life. When I woke up the next morning, I sat on the edge of the bed contemplating what to do, when the telephone rang. The call came from my ex-roommate from Wesleyan who had embraced Islam after graduation and was living in Washington, D.C. At that time, he was studying to be an attorney at Catholic University School of Law. This phone call was the second and final thing that convinced me to embrace Islam immediately.

My friend asked me, “Are you ready to become a Muslim?” I replied, “Why are you calling me this early in the morning with such a question?” He answered in the following way, “Last night, I had a dream. In that dream, I saw you smiling, surrounded by a sort of spiritual light (called Noor in Islam). Then, I heard a strong and powerful voice saying, ‘Allah has made this man a Muslim in the night and Allah has given him the name, Bilal Abdul-Alim (3 times). So, your job is to call him in the morning, and invite him to accept Islam and, give him his new name.” My friend continued by saying, “Don’t play games with me! Tell me what happened!” I then related my experience the night before with tears in my eyes. A few days later, I drove non-stop from Houston, Texas to Washington, D.C to accept Islam in the presence of my dear friend, Attorney Haroun G. Cook.

Hijab is not a sign of purity but rather of obedience. How could someone cover herself while there is heat, so it is a sacrifice which Muslims women must adhere to.

ALLAH SAYS:
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. (Qr.24:31)

Hijab is a recommendation as a kind of modesty for women in order to limit fornication, adultery, raping etc. This is very clear in the above verses. The more a muslim lady covers, the better.

@neotic,

I am sorry if I was harsh, but I dont think u should start a response by telling me that all my questions have been answered and then discard my questions on the basis that I have a set mindset.

I don't think you are harsh, but you are parochialy thinkworth in your response.

logically I dont believe u are competent enough to decide if my analysis of "god" is right or wrong. Cos u have a pre-conceived mindset of equating allah (god) to GOD. so how could I be logically wrong?
grammatically "god" is not the same as "GOD". I expected u to know that. so how could I be grammatically wrong?
Spiritually, there is no connection whatsoever between "mohammed" as a prophet and the bible. his coming was never foretold.
There is also no connection between "allah" and Jehovah GOD. u have been unable to explain the mysterious "allah" mohammed's father worshipped. so how could my analysis be spiritually wrong?

See, I don't equate ALLAH to GOD. Historically, grammatically and scripturally undeniable ALLAH=GOD. god not equal GOD admittedly. However, grammatically, Lord of Lords never equal to GOD. If I begin to analyse the verse where the lord of lords appear in the bible you will get tired of this conversation. Moreso, your fellow christians will even deny that Jehovah is God's name because Jesus never recognise that name from your bible. So, where do you want to hide?

GOD is Jehovah.

Many christians deny that. Even Jesus never used the word, JEHOVAH.

why would u base ur argument on a linguistic translation?
"allah" had a wife and children and was worshipped alongside 360 other idols before the coming of mohammed. mohammed only elevated him to be the only "god" of arabia. I believe he deceptively assumed that allah is GOD.

Mr man, I am not a learner regarding arab history and arabic. Are you a student of arab history? I read it as a course. Site your historical books and authors to ref allah, his wife and children. I have many arab manuscripts regarding pre islamic period in MAKKAH. If Muhammad elevated one of the idols, why were the arabs against him? The idols worshipped in makkah were all physical (lat, Uzza etc), and as yoruba would called egungun, my lord(oluwa mi), my lord(oluwa mi), they also refer them as illahi or illah. In arabic, first character is "alif with kezro". Allah is "alif with fatha". Why will you be more knowledgible than arabs, historian and linquistics? From Quran, babs has already explain to you where Lat, Uzza were cleared. That is why I said you have a mindset.

littleb:

Another shot in the leg. Eloi is Aramaic, just "my God" and not my Gods and another form is "Eli" as it was said by Jesus, which has the root word ALLAH in Arabic. The question is why could jesus used such word if ALLAH is not GOD?
ELOHIM is an hebrew word for God and mostly the biblical english writers used it as plurality "gods" in bible and not GODS. If I could be so stupid like you, based on your claim trinity and your first answer god=idol. Logically means you worshiped three idols/gods. Absolutely a failure!

There is no correlation in your response. The biblical writers have no other word to call God in Arabic other than ALLAH.

You have no response to that?

Quote from: uplawal on Today at 02:59:58 AM
@noetic
tell me if ALLAH is not GOD why do the HAUSA'S and ARABIC CHRISTIANS refer to him as ALLAH, the HAUSA'S says NAGODE ALLAH, NAGODE ALLAH ALLAH SERIKI, or are they worshipping idol? he just made himself more acceptable by using ISLAM to correct the contraditions of the bible, SHALLOM, AS SALLAM,ALAFIA all means PEACE.
whats the meaning of all this?
did u read my last post at all?

my sister, just leave neotic for me, this is just a matter of language. Even, in their bible, there is salam alaykum, which christians would deny it is only peculiar to muslims. Neotic would tell the whole world maybe jesus was ignorant of JEHOVAH as the true name of GOD before he said "ELOI ELOI ELOI LEMA SABAKTANI". He does not even research very well that Allah is a root word in Arabic.