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This militant forces had started long time in Maiduguri. Those young guy are secondary schools leavers and higher institutions drop out claiming western education is wrong. It involves children of northern leaders as well. I wouldnt mention names just to avoid publicity. The fraternity once in 2002 had the intention of attacking the govt in borno state, which they did. Many of them lost thier life in which some were arrested. Amongst them were my friends and students recruited from Lagos. Even, they threatened some of us that didn't support their movement. Nobody condone their violence activities, it is VERY wrong and the irony of it is that most young ones there were brainwashed.

noetic2:
@ Littleb
1. u answered none of my questions.

I actually not want unnecessary questions regarding this story, cos it will not lead us anywhere. Your earlier response too needs much to inquire about. What I need from you is to comment and probably share what we belief.

noetic2:
2. The above story lacks credibility. . . .what evidence do u have to suggest that all those u listed in that mosque were muslims or practised islam during their life time?

I said Muhammad was referred as the faithful and truthful before his prophethood. And the details of his ascension is found in the hadiths. When you talk about Islam, it means submission to God, worshiping is an act submitting to God which salat is one of them. Those people in the mosque were prophet from Adam to Jesus(Peace be upon them), and there is an ample evidence left in the bible that people in the time of Moses worshiped in similar way. Any more comments?

@posters
This issue has been discussed in one thread before. Can someone please search and ref it to backslider.

Qr43:36~51
If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of ((Allah)) Most Gracious, We appoint for him an evil one, to be an intimate companion to him. Such (evil ones) really hinder them from the Path, but they think that they are being guided aright! At length, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says (to his evil companion): "Would that between me and thee were the distance of East and West!" Ah! evil is the companion (indeed)! When ye have done wrong, it will avail you nothing, that Day, that ye shall be partners in Punishment! Canst thou then make the deaf to hear, or give direction to the blind or to such as (wander) in manifest error? Even if We take thee away, We shall be sure to exact retribution from them, Or We shall show thee that (accomplished) which We have promised them: for verily We shall prevail over them. So hold thou fast to the Revelation sent down to thee; verily thou art on a Straight Way. The (Quran) is indeed the message, for thee and for thy people; and soon shall ye (all) be brought to account. And question thou our apostles whom We sent before thee; did We appoint any deities other than ((Allah)) Most Gracious, to be worshipped? We did send Moses aforetime, with Our Signs, to Pharaoh and his Chiefs: He said, "I am an apostle of the Lord of the Worlds." But when he came to them with Our Signs, behold they ridiculed them. We showed them Sign after Sign, each greater than its fellow, and We seized them with Punishment, in order that they might turn (to Us). And they said, "O thou sorcerer! Invoke thy Lord for us according to His covenant with thee; for we shall truly accept guidance." But when We removed the Penalty from them, behold, they broke their word. And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people, saying: "O my people! Does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? What! see ye not then?

And this one:

  Belief in Almighty God(An Invitation to Salvation -01)
Question 01: So long as the three principal religions have emanated from God, why should
differences appear as to the essence of God among their adherents? Why should a Christian or
a Jew be required to abandon his religion and adopt Islam?

Answer 01: There is no doubt that the three religions acknowledge one source, God. They all
agree as to the uniquness, the absolute omniscience and omnipresence of God, to the exclusion
of any parallel power to be worshipped. All agree as to attributing to God all perfection and
excluding all defects and blemishes. Whatever differences may appear is sporadic extraneous,
accretious developing over the ages from distortions interpolated by members of both Judaism
and Christianity. Herein came differences as to the essence of God. The difference, therefore, is
between Islam, which God entrusted His prophet with, and other religions which have been
distorted and adulterated. The difference is not between authentic religions, rather, it is between
a true religion and others that have been invalidated and turned away. The latter category has
been manipulated by vicious hands which misdirected them.

When we call upon a Jew or Christian to discard his/her religion and adopt Islam, we are in reality
asking him/her to revert to the true religion which has been preached by all prophets. Should an
impartial thinker consider Islam in relation to other religions, he/she is bound to acknowledge the
radical difference between both categories. He/she is likely to find in the former the truth and
monotheism, while the latter would reveal innovations and polytheism. Moreover, Islam
advocates justice and tolerance, while the others imply racism and discrimination. In the one
there are moral commitment and decency; in the other, disintegration and corruption.

Question 02: What is the penultimate reason behind the creation of man? Does God need
man’s worship?

Answer 02: Man has been created in order to worship God: “And I (God) created not the jinn and
mankind except that they should worship me (alone)” (Holy Qur’an: 51: 56). The Primary
incumbency on man is to know God through His oneness, and thence to worship Him truly.

Secondly, man is required to act his role as God’s vicegerent on earth, so as to enjoy bliss both
here and hereafter. Indeed, his/her need to acknowledge the supremacy of God exceeds his/her
need and drink: “O mankind! It is you who stand in need of God. But God is rich, worthy of all
praise” (Holy Qur’an: 35: 15).
God is above the need for man’s worship. He does not benefit from man’s devotion, nor would
He be adversely affected by man’s blasphemy. From beginning to end the story of man’s
existence on earth, no matter how many are its incidents, is an ordeal, a test, whether for him/her
as an individual or for all humanity. Man’s performance in this test determines either his praise
and reward or reproof and punishment.

Question 03: You Muslims claim that you worship One God, while in actual fact you resemble
the Christians who say “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,” for you say “In
the name of God, the Mercifu; the Compaasionate.” How would you account for this
resemblence?

Answer 03: In the Christian creed, God is the Creator. The Son is Jesus the Deliverer. And the
Holy Spirit is His life or one of His creations chosen by Him as a messenger and/or prophet
imparting God’s inspiration or cosmic order to whoever He wishes. Whatever the mission carried
out by the Holy Spirit, the Christians believe in the above powers as three entities, three aspects,
three qualities. They say: “Oneness in Trinity and Trinity in Oneness.” They are all phenomena
of one God, etc. Therefore, the One God, they claim, consists of three separate categories,
which they call the Trinity. As a matter of fact, God, as they take Him, is not one but three. In the
Qur’an God says: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘God is the third of the three (in
aTrinity)’.” (Holy Qur’an: 5: 73). The verse means that God the Creator is the third in relation to
the Son and the Holy Spirit.

As for the Muslim dictum “In the name of God, the Mercifu, the Compaasionate,” it means three
names of God which exceed ninety nine, all denoting one Entity. A name is not separate from the
named. The Being named and described is not to be conceived except by His names and
qualities, unlike the case of the Christian Entities, for they are three dimentional, but separate, the
Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Question 04: How can you claim that your God is Mercifu and Compasionate, while He created
evil in the world, expressed in illnesses, volcanoes, toxics, earthquakes, hatred, etc.?

Answer 04: The answer to this question is threefold:

1. God almighty is a universal God, the God of all creation. This is obvious in the following
verse: “And your God is One (God), there is none who has the right to be worshipped but
He, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful…” (Holy Qur’an: 2: 163).

2. Undoubtedly, God’s mercy is comprehensive. It encompasses all creatures under its
canopy. The evidence is clear: “…And My Mercy embraces all things, ” (Holy Qur’an: 7:
156). Such a spacious clemency expresses itself in bestowing upon His creation so much
bliss: material sustenance, the gifts of sight and hearing. Indeed, such blesisngs are
countless.

3. Whatever adversities may befall man in this world, like pain, illness, poison,
earthquakes, volcanoes, etc., are not exclusively evils. They are mixed blessings. For
some who are harassed by such evils they are a punishment for their disobedience or
heresy, while for some others they are a reminder, a nudge, to awaken them from their
slumber. They also indicate the absolute power of God, His ability to deal with His
creation, the sphere of His dominion, in the ways He deems just and wise. All that God
decrees emanates from His compassion, wisdom and justice.

Question 05: Does God allow prostration to any power or creature other than Himself? If the
answer is negative how can we account for the prostration of Jospeh’s brothers and parents
before him?

Answer 05: Initialy, it is to be maintained that there are two kinds of prostration:

1. Expressive of worship and favour-seeking, which is permissible only to God. If it is
practised to appease some other power, this is polytheism.

2. Indicative of man’s desire to glorify an absolute power, in which case the action of
prostration is not polytheistic. Kneeling down and/or prostration before human beings as a
way of showing respect or greeting was quite acceptable in earlier creeds. But it has been
abrogated in Islam. Joseph’s brothers did not worship him. They bent down before him in
a expression of esteem and reverence. Such a posture was permissible in their creed, but
abolished and abrogated in Islam. Abdullah ibn Abi Awfa was reported to have said that
on coming from Sham (currently greater Syria) Mu’az ibn Jabal knelt down before the
prophet (pbuh) whereupon the prophet enquired what the man meant. In explanation,
Mu’az said that in Sham he had seen people bending down before their bishops and

Sex is generally everyone's problem. Islam encourages educating people on sex. Also, urges us to control and regulate our desires, so that we remain dignified and do not behave like animals.

Secondly, it is possible for the couple to pray together as long as possible as long as the rule of fiqh is follows. The two can't hold eachother while praying, no touching and the likes. The arrangement is that they should be on different row or little space beside(on the right side)if there is only a row available. The rules follows from jama'at prayer while there is different between Imam and the followers not by relation but by arrangement. Allah Aalam.

Additionally, it is also good the whole family including children pray together, especially where the mosque are few and distant and no regular jama'a.

"The Prophet sallallahu alehi wasallam also said: "If a man wakes his wife and prays during the night or they pray two rak'at together, they will be recorded among those (men and women) who (constantly) make remembrance of Allah."  Abu Dawud 

davidylan:
what did he do? A few insincere fellows put up an obvious charade on TV and you're crying allah is great?

I think your holy ghost is whistling to your ear. How can you read someone sincerity? Are you also sincere at all?

@nezan

For every riot in Kano or Kaduna etc, muslims like you are also declared as kafr by the core northerners .

This is to testify in realities, it is not always religious crisis rather politics using tugs, while cleverly brings it under religious.

@uplawal
you 're welcome:gafaras@yahoo.com

Alhamdulilah. Allah is great.

noetic2:
I dont intend to insult ur intelligence or religion. . .  .but I dont believe that Mohammed is a prophet of the God I know and serve.

No one was asked to prostrate before Adam. Satan fell because he despised God and attempted a coup in heaven. He fell and was cast out of heaven with his angels. I have no reason to believe that Adam had been created at the time satan fell. I also have no reason to believe that God asked angels to bow to man. As at the time adam and eve were tempted in the Garden of eden, satan was already cast out of heaven and was roaming around.

a. who was the teacher/prophet/imam of this woman?
b. where was her mosque?
c. how did she become a muslim?
d. since she is Egyptian, how did she get to pronounce the name Allah is that stone age?

This is one of the major reasons why I dont believe that
a. allah is the bible God
b. mohammed is a prophet of God.

# why would allah want christians and jews to be killed since he gave them their holy books?
# why would allah reward violence and terrorism?
# why was forgiveness not an option for allah? and many more.

I dont believe any of the above and u know why already.

@noetic;

I wasn't on net yesterday, i ll have responded. Agree you don't belief in the ascension of prophet Muhammad. Before my next post, have you ever heard or read it that prophet Muhammad used to be referred as the faithful and truthful. Now read this and comment:

After the Prophet performed the Evening Prayer ('Isha'), Jibril came to him with a white animal, slightly larger than a donkey yet smaller than a mule. This animal was the buraq,--one of the animals of Paradise. Jibril held the buraq by his ear and told the Prophet to mount it. When the buraq was mounted, the Prophet set forth.

The buraq is a very fast animal; the length of the buraq's stride is the farthest distance it's eye can see. The Prophet and Jibril arrived to a land with palm trees. Jibril told the Prophet to dismount and pray, so the Prophet dismounted the buraq and prayed two rak'as. Jibril asked him, "Do you know where you prayed?" and the Prophet answered, "Allah knows best." Jibril told him, "This is Yathrib; this is Taybah. "." (These are two names for the city of al-Madinah.) Before the Prophet emigrated to al-Madinah, it was called Taybah and Yathrib. It earned the name al-Madinah after the Prophet emigrated to it.

The buraq continued with the Prophet and Jibril until they reached another place. Again Jibril told the Prophet to get down and pray. The Prophet dismounted there and prayed two rak'as. Jibril informed the Prophet of the name of that place; it was Tur Sina'.

Once again the buraq took off with the Prophet and Jibril. Once again it stopped, and the Prophet dismounted and prayed two rak'as. This was in Bayt Lahm, where Prophet Isa (Jesus) was born. Then the buraq continued with the Messenger of Allah until they entered the city of Jerusalem. There the Prophet went to Masjid al-Aqsa. Outside was a ring used by the Messengers of Allah to tie their animals. The Prophet tied his buraq to this ring. Then the Prophet entered the masjid where Allah assembled for him all the Prophets--from Adam to Isa. Prophet Muhammad moved forward and led them all in prayer.

Nezan:
I wonder why olabs and co. are trying desperately to link mohammed to the bible.

Just to expose the level its corruption! Bible is no divine, just a compilation of stories by UNKNOWN MEN!

When Jesus talk about the comforter, will you denied holy spirit presence within mankind before Jesus came when he said the comforter will only come after him.

Secondly, the holy spirit in any context mean the spirit of God, which has been used frequently to mean "angels", that relate message to prophets to in turn relate it to men. The comforter has described by jesus was meant to speak truth not of his own but what he hears and when he comes, he will prove the world wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment. So, tell me:
1. If the comforter is holy spirit and not a man, from whom he hears the message according to your bible?
2. The comforter would judge people, how has the hloy spirit judged people in the past and now?

@neotic2

noetic2:
I am cool. . .how are u?

considering the antecedents of islam, allah and mohammed . . . , I believe say na lie.

Let me relate to you part of prophet Muhammad experience on the Night journey(the ascension):

1- On Prophet Muhammad's journey from Masjid al-Haram to Masjid al-Aqsa, Allah enabled him to see some of His wondrous creations. Allah enabled the Prophet to see the world (dunya) like an old woman. However, this old woman was wearing a great deal of jewelry, and in this there is an indication signifying the reality of the world.

2- Allah enabled the Prophet to see Iblis. The Prophet saw something on the side of the road which did not dare to stand in his way or speak to him. What the Prophet saw was Iblis. Originally, Iblis was a believer and lived with the angels in Paradise. When Allah ordered the angels to prostrate (sujud) to Prophet Adam, Iblis was ordered to prostrate to him as well. The angels prostrated to Adam in obedience to Allah, because angels do not disobey Allah. However, Iblis did not obey, and he objected to the order of Allah. He said, "You created me out of fire, and You created him out of clay. How do You order me to prostrate to him?" So this objection by Iblis to the order of Allah was the first blasphemy he committed.

3- On his journey, the Prophet smelled a very nice odor. He asked Jibril about this pleasant scent and Jibril informed him this good smell was coming from the grave of the woman whose duty used to be to comb Pharaoh's daughter's hair. This woman was a good, pious believer. One day, as she was combing Pharaoh's daughter's hair, the comb fell from her hand. At this she said, ""Bismillah. "Pharaoh's daughter asked her, "Do you have a god other than my father?" The woman said, "Yes. My Lord and the Lord of your father is Allah." Pharaoh's daughter told her father what had happened. Pharaoh demanded this woman blaspheme and leave Islam, but she refused. At that, Pharaoh threatened to kill her children. He brought a great pot of water and built a great fire under it. When the water boiled, Pharaoh brought her children and started to drop them into that pot one after the other. Throughout all this, the woman remained steadfast to Islam, even when Pharaoh reached her youngest child--a little boy still breast feeding--but she felt pity for him. At that, Allah enabled this child to speak. He said to his mother, "O Mother, be patient. The torture of the Hereafter is far more severe than the torture of this life, and do not be reluctant, because you are right." At this the woman requested Pharaoh collect her bones and the bones of her children and bury them in the same grave. Pharaoh promised her that--then dropped her into that boiling water. She died as a martyr. The good odor the Prophet smelled coming from her grave is an indication of her high status.

4- During his trip, the Prophet saw people who were planting and reaping in two days. Jibril told the Prophet, "These were the people who fight for the sake of Allah (mujahidun). "."

5- The Prophet also saw people whose lips and tongues were clipped with scissors made of fire. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the speakers of sedition (fitna) who call people to misguidance."

6- He also saw a bull which exited a very small outlet, then was trying in vain to return through that small outlet. Jibril told the Prophet, "This is the example of the bad word--once spoken, it cannot be returned."

7- The Prophet saw people grazing like animals, with very little clothing on their private parts. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the ones who refused to pay zakat. "."

8- The Prophet saw angels smashing some people's heads with rocks. These heads would return to the shape they had been, and then the angels would smash their heads again--and so on. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the ones whose heads felt too heavy to perform prayer--the ones who used to sleep without praying."

9- On his journey the Prophet saw people who were competing to eat some rotten meat--ignoring meat that was sliced and unspoiled. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are people from your nation who leave out that which is permissible (halal), and consume that which is forbidden ((haram). "This reference was to the fornicators, that is, the ones who left out the permissible (marriage) and committed sins (fornication).

10- Also, the Prophet saw people who were drinking from the fluid coming from the bodies of the fornicators, (water mixed with blood). Jibril indicated to the Prophet these were the ones who were drinking the alcohol which is prohibited in this world.

11- The Prophet saw people scratching their faces and chests with brass finger nails. Jibril said, "These are the examples of those who commit gossip ((ghibah). "."


Do you agree to that above?

@neotic2: o boy, how body
they said Muhammad saw Jesus. Any objection or na lie?

becos most are and majority of the rest simply support. i will never forget the images of people dancing in arab capitals when they 9/11 happened

Where are those images of people dancing on 9/11? and from which media? All were fake.

PureLogic:
And if Islam truly encourages "high moral standard" why is it that Islamists can't control themselves at the slightest provocation? Why do they go about killing and destroying mostly after friday PRAYERS?? Is this what you call high moral standard?


Why should violence occur more in places where there is "high moral standard"? Shouldn't that tell you something about the real essence of Islam?

There is relgious crisis everywhere causing by many factors. Ask yourself and be sincere, who are those causing violent. Where do you think peace we come when there is no justice. The principle behind every violent need to be rooted to the cause, that is when you can judge and not by media caption. Most of the media caption are unbalanced. Recently, there was a report of military camp in Kaduna full all newspaper which was not true. Amongst the rsponses of Islmic movement is follows:
[b]
RE: TERRORISTS’ CAMP IN KADUNA.

By A. Danladi, Phd.

It was interesting reading your editorial on the above at the same time disappointing .The Kaduna state commissioner of police Mr, Tambari Mohamed Yabo wrote “intelligent report” to the Inspector General of police Mr. Mike Okiro alleging what you paper carried as an editorial. The report has since been described as false and baseless by the Islamic movement in a press conference conducted by the leader Sheikh Ibraheem Zakzaky.

At the press conference, both print and electronic media were widely represented and at the end were taken round the premises of Fudiyya Islamic Centre and not Faddiya Islamic Centre which the “intelligent” commissioner of police claimed. They have seen each and every corner of the centre and were not surprised to find nothing near to what Mr. Tambari has claimed because they are based in Kaduna and are fully aware of his nefarious activities. Similarly they paid a visit to the acclaimed training centre at Dambo village where they were short of words in describing their concern over the baseless allegations of Tambari.

Fudiyyah Islamic Centre is a place where Sheikh Ibraheem Zakzaky delivers Tafsir (commentary on the Holy Qur’an) and conducts lessons from the book Nahjul Balagah. Other activities of the Islamic movement include: public lectures, short courses, production of Islamic songs to mention a few. The centre has a multi-purpose hall, dormitory, library, computer room and offices of some arms of the movement. It is therefore surprising that such a place that is always over crowded with people could be alleged to be the printing place where Al-Mizan and The Pointer Express news papers are being produced which only the commissioner of police and his “intelligent” cohorts know of. Indeed it is the actions of people like Mr. Tambari who are supposed to be protecting the public that will portray the image of this country “in bad light” not the non- existent films which only he claims to be aware of.

If only Mr. Tambari’s sources are objective in their reports, he would have known that to the people of Dambo, the citation of the film village at their environ is a blessing. It has made their village a popular centre of tourist’s attraction, with people trooping in to see the classical traditional architectural structures erected for producing a film on the revered personality of Shiekh Usman bin Fodio. The bore hole at the film village now serves as source of drinking water to the friendly people of Dambo. It is in no way a training camp and centre of amassing arms as claimed by Tambari.

As for the claim that about 95% of Sheikh Zakzaky’s followers are not from Kaduna state. Yabo needs to know that Islam has no state. Indeed it has no geographical boundary as the earth and the heavens belong to Allah and Allah alone and the religion of Islam is a universal religion that is made for the guidance of mankind where ever he may find himself. If Yabo can come to Kaduna state to serve Nigeria what makes him think that Muslims cannot come to Kaduna state to serve Allah? That is if his assertion is true or correct.

Both Fudiyyah Islamic Centre at Danmagaji and the Film village at Dambo have been in existence long before the coming of Governor Namadi Sambo’s regime. They had never constituted any security threat to the peace loving people of Zaria and Kaduna state. Then why is Tambari trying to beat the “tambari” of discord?

Now to the punch newspaper, it is surprising to have issued Mr. Tambari’s unfortunate insinuations as its editorial. It shows clearly your camp. I believe such a popular paper of repute is supposed to be objective and balanced in its reports talk less of editorials. I was left wondering when the punch has turned to be Kaduna state police bulletin.

Dr. Abdullahi Danladi.

Resource Forum,

Islamic Movement in Nigeria.[/b]

PureLogic:


[s]Hahaha, "high moral standard" indeed!!! What's high moral standard in forcing underage girls into early marriage just because muhammed married a 6 year old?[/s] What's "high moral standard" in encouraging polygamy? [s]What's high moral standard in encouraging people to kill and destroy for Allah?[/s] What's high moral standard in promising people plenty of sex and booze in paradise? What's high moral standard in stoning people in the name of sharia when even the stoners recite astragafurulahi almost every minute? Or do you want to deny that these things are rampant in Islamic states? Abeg stop these meaningless claims!

I strike those one out to expose your lies. And if you damm think you have proof, just come on board. There is polygamy in Islam. There were example in the past, check your bible and you will find it amongst God's prophet. But you encourage indecency, concubine, prostitution, nudity e.t.c.

Even the angels know Sharia is a muslim life, you don't need to consult oracle, wherever it is used is peaceful.

Besides, what's the point of "high moral standard" when people remain intellectually backward? Go to places in Nigeria where Islam is the dominant religion and see the high level of illiteracy and maladies!

And wherever there is no Islam, there is a very high immorality, indecency, lack of respect, gross criminalities, ungodly acts, high murdering! I think you are enslaved with western ideology. You need to wake up man and be objective!

Neptunz:
I have alwyz been disturbed whether it is a crime to be a muslim.So much propaganda have been targeted at this religion:If U bear a muslim name,u become marginalized,if u are a pilot,they tag u an hijacker,if u are a scientist,they say u may likely become a suicide bomber,U may not likely get a visa to western countries because U are a muslim.The westerners infiltrated every religion by bringing in democracy,capitalism,civilization etc,Every religion except Islam accepted their propaganda, What is so special about this religion,they wondered, America is known for propaganda, They invaded Iraq,Afganistan partly because of oil but largely because they don't want Islam to reign, They want their own ideology to bd practise everywhere.They preach freedom when they themselves are held in bondage, The issue is, no matter how any super power subvert the course of Islam,it wont work because Allah himself has perfected the religion so stop this hate against muslims,we are not terrorists but true believer in the oneness $ existence of God.

Thanks brother for your inquiry. MUch have been said on this issue on NL and on internet in general. You can google it to know more. You see, Islam has been an enemy to the west for a long time just because of the different in policy. Islam is the only religion that can challenge the world marginalization as provided by western thinkers. Islam oppose many western ideologies in banking sectors, legalization of prostitutes, nudity of women whereas they called it liberation, alcohols consumption e.t.c. Western thinkers would always think Islam is a threat to their capitalism. However, reverse is the case for them after 9/11, cos it was after a lot of people were reverted to Islam. If Islam has anything devlish, why people with high emotion against Islam will ever thing of joining it without anybody preaching to them? All media captions are high propaganda. Just to say a little.

Neotic

I guess you don sleep. When you wake up, I wanna talk to you.

@osisi

Can anyone tell us when exactly the Bible became corrupted

Was it before Mohammed, during the lifetime of Mohammed or after the death of Mohammed.

Yes, osisi, I will say previous divine books were corrupted!lo
Who was bible revealed to? There is no where in the  Quran where ALLAH says he revealed bible, it is TORAH to Moses and INJEEL to Jesus. Now tell me, which part of the bible constitute INJEEL and which part constitute TORAH according to what you belief in the bible?

expecting your response

davidylan:
and what good has islam brought to Nigeria?

As long as there is no community where immorality,cruel,ignorance is praise or regard as a soceital norms,Islam has contributed the same way any other societal sects that base their belief in worshiping GOD and not solely for personal profit would contribute.

The major essence of having a religion is to bring people close to GOD, thereby nurturing younger ones to produce better community in the future, not but beacuse they are GOD fearing. Religion contribution in any society is to bring up a moral values and exercise roles in contributing to societal norms in politics, religious education and health sectors. Muslims and Islamic Organisations have contributed in all these faces of development. There are muslim hospitals, Islamic schools, organisations, organising relligious camping for moral and ideological training. There are charitable organisation and forums channeling towards helping the disables and less priviledge ones. In achieving all these, Islam maintain a moderate Islamic method in genrating funds and resources which is most base on voluntary. Moreso, the resources is everly used mainly for the purpose and never for the Imam, thereby provide accountability and justice, the same way as depicted by JESUS and prophet MUHAMMAD. NOt in situation where the leaders only profiting and enjoying affluence while followers in poverty.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=299192.msg4232627#msg4232627 date=1248283915]Until Mohammed,allah or yourself can produce that original Torah and Injil that he sent down and confirmed,Isaac is the promised Child.
If allah is unable to keep his own words,why should anyone believe what he says in the Koran,afterall his words can be changed very easily by anyone.
Let him produce that original Bible before the hands of the scribes got hold of it,let us all see.[/quote]I have a question. Does bible revealed to any prophet amongst JESUS,MOSES and ABRAHAM? Who amongst them and which book from genesis to revelation?

@osisi

How come allah claims to be all knowing yet he thought the Trinity in Christianity was The Father, the son (Jesus) and Mary
Koran 5:116
rather than The Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit.
How could he not know?
It's alright that Allah denies the existence of the Trinity but how could he be mistaken as to what it represented?

Very well said. I think you ask the right question. However, probably due to your ignorance, the subject "ALLAH AND THE THING HE DID NOT KNOW" does not befit the thread. It is like you are affirming your statement whereas the content is a question.

Back to your question; During the time of prophet Muhammad, there exists Christians sects who refer Mary as the third of trinity rather than holy spirit.Such denominations are still existing up till now.

fellis:
May kelly came here to say the christian Allah means God but not the muslim Allah.
What on earth??
Look, even if it means 'The God' or not, that is still the Arabic translation of God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Even if the Arabs choose to refer to God in their language as 'The God', it does not change the meaning to any other thing. Sentence structures differ in different languages, the way verbs and nouns are used in sentences also differ.
Before the revelation of the Qur'an in the world, the Arabic word for God was still Allah.
Your wikipedia definition of Allah says the Biblical 'Eloha' and Syriac 'Alaha' are cognates of Allah. If a word is a cognate of another word, it means that word has the same origin as the other, therefore Alaha, Elaha and Allah all have the same origin. They all come from one original word, with one meaning, even if their pronounciations are different. So Islam did not invent any new god.
Even the Arabic speaking christians call the God they worship, Allah.

True talk my brother, even the biblical translators could not differ in this. No other word could be used to mean GOD in arabic than ALLAH.

@nezan,

In my previous response, I think address a little about linguistic view of the word ALLAH. From what you can see on the comment in wiki. I will try to explain some terms here, derivation of word allat came from culture. When ALLAH was formed, there was nothing attached to it. This is authoritative statement, it was cultural derivation, that brings allat.  ALLAT is used to describe a statue. ALLAH is unseen GOD, such was the believe from ancient, just the way Yoruba belief in IFA when consulting Orunmila.  I don't know how much you vast with yoruba culture? And I don't know if you undego any arabic linguistic class or you need probably you need help in arabic formulation and translation.

In other words, lets take for e.g
When you called, "THE CREATOR" in arabic it means Al-alq. Does it means that there are other creators apart from GOD? Then, move to yoruba language, THE CREATOR=ELEDA.
- There is no definite article attached to it.
- In Quranic presentation, there is nothing like "the goddess" or "the GOD" from fathia to Naas.

When moving from one language to another. It goes beyond literary translation. One needs to understand the rules(syntax and semantic) guiding the language for one's analysis to seem useful. However, people who argue blindly and present false claim are mostly fundamentally biased just to suit a purpose. Language issue need to be addressed from linquistic,cultural and historical usage.


"The use of the word " ALLAH" In Arabic

In Arabic language, the word "ALLAH", as mentioned in the article, refers to God and is the proper name of God almighty. It is mentioned in the article that it is derived from the article "al" (the) and "illah" (god) giving the meaning of "the God". Such derivation is doubtful and probably non-existant. This is supported by the absence of feminine forms and pleural forms. The word "allat" is not the feminine form but was a name of a statue worshiped by pre-Islam Arabs. Muslims will Refer to God as "ALLAH". He is the one and the only God, and to them any mentioning of God, divinity, lord or any other word suggesting or meaning God is by default referring to "ALLAH". 89.189.70.77 (talk) 20:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

    Actually, the claim that Allah is NOT derived from al at-ta'riif + 'ilaah is the one lacking in support. It has two fatal flaws:

        1 - If the word Allah is Arabic, it must have a jidhr. If it does not, it is not Arabic. So if Allah is not from hamza-laam-haa, what is its jidhr according to you?

        2 - If the word Allah is not from al + ilaah how do you explain that it takes Sarf but not tanwiin, that is, why does it take the case endings of a ma'rifa (definite noun) if it is an Arabic masculine proper name? Since the word predates the advent of MuHammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) you cannot give a theological argument for the discrepancy here.

        Look: muHammad-un, muHammad-an, muHammad-in --- these are the case endings of a normal Arabic masculine proper noun. Why, then, do we say Allah-u, Allah-a, Allah-i? If the name was neither masculine nor definite it would be mamnuu' min aS-Sarf and we would say Allah-u Allah-a Allah-a.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Allah

@nezan,sleek29

Your translation of ALLAH to mean "THE GOD" is very wrong in all phases of arabic analysis.
In the whole of quranic concept, a single modification of charater could change the meaning of the translation, that is why Islam is very cautious when it comes to pronounciation of words, especially when reciting quran. The similarity is found in yoruba language, for e.g the word 'OJO'; if not punctuated, it can means three different things. In the whole of Quranic text, there is no where you will find the word al-ilah. Wherever character 'l' is preceded or join to 'ALLAH' it is used as a tie and not as definite article. For example in 'lilahi-lamdu', meaning, to God be the adoration/thanks. The same thing in yoruba language, there is nothing like 'THE OLORUN'. NO definte article.

In pre-islamic period, ALLAH was ever used to desscribe GOD in arab land as the supreme diety, the same way yoruba called GOD, OLORUN. However, in the these two similar traditions, there existed their local idols which they worshipped but they belief all these idols are only intermidiary. There existed a yoruba reference to this. This is very obviuos when chanting IFA oratory that there exist unseen GOD, which is the supreme diety. The same applicable to pagans of arab in pre-islamic period, they belief all their idols were intermidiary. Moreso, Jews and christians had surfaced in arab-land before Islam, they used the same ALLAH to describe GOD.


When it comes to translation and formulation of word, there are times, differences, due to the speakers, different cultural and social structures, the results in each language differ in several respects. 'ilah', means god in english, 'illahi' means gods. There are 99 artributes of GOD according to Islam, there are some, when pronounced, e.g as-salam, a-rahman. In the word ALAH, when analyse from linguistic point of view. The first alif is not punctated(that is, no fat'a ), to preserve the root word LAH. IN the Quranic analysis, if alif is added with fat'a, it becomes singular, no plurality. Does why from all arabic linquistists, they describe GOD as it been used in the Quran as the best representation because of its uniqueness. It's is a weak analysis, to literarily translate ALLAH to mean THE GOD; if it is, then one need to translate 'THE GOD' to other languages to know that definite article, 'THE' does not serve any purpose. Additionally, the first alif, does not take kesrah except when it joins to another word from Quranic presentation, this makes Quran usage of the word to clear from all aspect of linguistic analysis to preserve the uniqueness and oneness of GOD.

Nezan:


You guyz are damn sick. From Adam to centuries after Christ returned to Heaven, no body heard the name muslim until mohammed came to upgrade his father's idol to a god.

Dont you know mo's father's name was abdallah?

Funny

From Adam to jesus, all were muslims who submitted themselves to God. Jesus never aware of the religion called christianity and he will never look at your side on the judgment day. If someone does submits to only one God not three in one, no blood for atonement, no son or children, then he is a muslim.

Narrated Safwan bin Muhriz Almazini:

While I was walking with Ibn 'Umar holding his hand, a man came in front of us and asked, "What have you heard from Allah's Apostle about An-Najwa?" Ibn 'Umar said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Allah will bring a believer near Him and shelter him with His Screen and ask him: Did you commit such-and-such sins? He will say: Yes, my Lord. Allah will keep on asking him till he will confess all his sins and will think that he is ruined. Allah will say: 'I did screen your sins in the world and I forgive them for you today', and then he will be given the book of his good deeds. Regarding infidels and hypocrites (their evil acts will be exposed publicly) and the witnesses will say: These are the people who lied against their Lord. Behold! The Curse of Allah is upon the wrongdoers." (Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 621)

goodguy100:
WAR WAR WAR!!! That what the so called lslam have done to Nigeria and the World. Men Zap lslam.

War, War against Christians. Is that not what osisi want to established! Why her post ever full of killing pastors and Christians. Did muslims never lose their brethren in violence too. As you may think right, the same muslims are terrorizing the niger delta, kidnapping and the rest?

PureLogic:
Islam means submission - by FORCE!

How was Islam propagated? By preaching? No way, otherwise no one would be attracted to it cos it has no benefits.

It was propagated by the sword (check out the Saudi Arabian flag).

You either accept it or you DIE!

That's why it's adherent are called SLAVES of allah. Cos they were captured by the sword.

Pity

You look like a very young person coz if you're mature you may see what you believe must change. I belief nobody has raise sword against you or your forefathers to be converted to Islam. And you would have hear it or read it yourself, at least on internet that a lot of people in the west are reverting to Islam and you full aware nobody raise sword before them to convert. You need to wake up!

Qr5:82:" Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant
@davidylan, I think you understand my response?Islam call you for submission, the way Abraham was totally submitted.