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Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus' Teachings In The Quran by littleb(m): 11:38pm On Oct 18, 2009
@dexmond
I believe in the oneness of God. Both Allah not "allah" and Yahweh are one and the same. The God presented by Muhammed is not the true God. My reasons are the absurdity of muhammed's teachings. looks like he did not really know God. Here are some of them:

Where does the confussion came from? Can you differentiate between the Allah you accepted and the one you declined?

Mumammed received revelations to justify his marriage with his adopted son after he accidentally saw the wifes unclothedness.
He taught that angels do not enter a house that has a picture or a dog in it.
He ordered that dogs and house lizards should be killed.
He said when a rooster crows that muslims should ask allah for blessing because the rooster had seen an angel.
He said when a horse brays that mulims should seek refuge with allah because it saw satan.
He said when muslims perform the ablution that they should wash there nose three times because satan stays in the upper part of the nose.

Agreed, can you justify your claim with any proof against them according to what you belief?

According to vol. 2, no. 443, Muhammad said that people are tortured in hellfire because they soil themselves with urine.

If perhaps this is a lie, then where is the proof against it according to what you belief?

1. You must not face Mecca when urinating or defecating (vol. 1, nos. 146, 147, 150, 151).
This is a tradition of Islam, will you tell me the essence of putting cross in your neck, hands leg and so on.

There a more absurd teachings that muslims can not defend, many of them now know that muhammed was not a true prophet after all. I will prepare more of such teachings with references so you can look up the hadiths for yourself. Do not believe me until you see the hadiths pls.

There is no muslim who adopted Muhammad was not his prophet, otherwise regarded as kafir, unbeliefers like that of Christians. And i am expecting more of your hadeeths. I belief you will not quote from what you have no knowledge about.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Is It Islamic For A Muslim To Attend Church Services? by littleb(m): 11:10pm On Oct 18, 2009
At first, for the boss to complain through third part shows that he has hidden motive. Is he affecting for him to stay outside. Just advise your cousin to watch closely and be careful.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islamic practice of death Sentence for Apostates? by littleb(m): 11:12am On Oct 18, 2009
@aloy_emeka

Who said anything about manipulating the law?. The God of the bible is concise and clear on these issues and offers total forgiveness as long there is repentance. You Allah, on the other hand do not offer forgiveness, rather, he offers punishment as a form of absolution. Which do you think is better and more real?.
Oh brother, Sorry for not responding earlier, I am too busy these days. Almighty Allah encourages the believer to enter into his faith whole heartedly and follow the path which he recommended for them. In my last response, I suppose you got it right that I never says apostate can't be killed.

Undeniably, there is provision in the law of Islam that apostate is punishable by death. However, depends on the community, and the contemporary circumstance in such community. Moreso, I am not a judge or scholar to pronounce death warant on fatwah on someone who leave Islam. But if someone does in a particular community, such judgement can can be assessed whether it is in line with what Allah says and the way prophet Muhammad explained it or implemented it in his life. The essence of killing someone that leave Islam must be more that just ordinary conversion, which is permissible. However, killing everyone that leave Islam is not justified either in the Quran or Hadith. First, there is no single verse of the Quran that prescribe death punishment for apostate. The hadeeth that says the apostate should be killed has only a sinle isnad which is not enough for judgement, except with interpretation. There is evidence in the hadeeth described a bedouin who came to prophet to cancel his pledge, but prophet Muhammad never killed him ordered him to be killed. Summarily, killing apostate is subjected to many interpretations which actualy depends on the community and most of those killed are possibly trace to rebellion or treason.

Now, I need to highlight some of christians lies in your response:

The God of the bible is concise and clear on these issues and offers total forgiveness as long there is repentance.

I guess the gods of bible is different from one another, there is nothing like absolute forgiveness. The essence of having punishment is to deter others and the offender. The highest of all worldly punishment is death, which is actually the recommendation for apostate according to the bible. You can read the bold lines below:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people." Deut 13:6-9

"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, , and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die." Deut 17:3-5

"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman." 2 Chronic 15:13


Jesus never sanctioned killing of anybody anywhere in the bible. Mohammed was a murderer but Jesus is alive and a lover, not a murderer.

Math 15:4 "For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'" (by jesus)


See, I cannot present all what the bible says about punishment. However, if people are wrongly implementing the laws or not using it, I don't know which is better, I believe Alloy-emeka would never fit follow what the bible says!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islamic practice of death Sentence for Apostates? by littleb(m): 11:08am On Oct 18, 2009
@abuzola

Salam Alaykum,

The hadeeth has only a single Isnad, which can still be re-interpreted. First, there is no single verse of the Quran that command killing apopstate. And in the light of sharia as practiced by prophet Muhammad, we should be able to reference to at least example. Apsotacy could killed if trace to treason or rebellion and in war, he can be forgiven if he mean no harm. There is evidence of someone who came to cancel his pledge from being a muslim, prophet never ordered him to be killed. However, there were examples where apostate killed during the throne of Abubakri,uthman and others. There are apostacy laws in Islam as stated by all four imama, I will be surprise if anybody say there is no killing it. However, one should understand from the fore knowldge of the principals to extract the circumstances around each individual incident of apsotate before pronounce death judgement. In other words, what I am clearly emphasising is the wisdom and the best guidance Allah endowed us before judgment is prnonounced. According to sharia, apostate has levels and the highest level is the one which death warant could be pronounced. I wish if you have more reference I think we can discuss it. Maa salam.

@aloy~emeka

I am coming for your response.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islamic practice of death Sentence for Apostates? by littleb(m): 9:10am On Oct 17, 2009
Aloy~Emeka:

You really mean that you will choose the latter over the former if needs be?. Will you appreciate it if your son's hand is chopped off because he stole a  pencil?. What sense does that quranic law make to you in todays world. Incapacitating someone because he stole will not stop him or her from stealing. You can now judge for yourself which is a more loving and forgiving creator: my God or Allah?


That is the propblem people have. If you happen to be the president and your child is guilty of murder, will you turn the law down because of your child? Even prophet Muhammad in his own time swear if his child is the culprit, he should be punished which is an example of a good leader. If cutting one hand of a single person will not stop him from stealing, then others will learn from it. Now, a child hand has never been chop off for stealing a pencil and if you have a case, present it. What you people don't realise is the provisions that the laws has in order to prevent such occurrence, even you re not subservient to it in manner of punishment. Tell me, how many people are hand are being cut daily or monthly in wherever the law is being used and juxtapose it with the way numbers of criminals are being treated in Nigeria and with our outward religiousness which does not even limit this outlaws.

In your earlier response on killing apostate. Killing apostate is justified in the same way justified in the bible, however depends on the circumstance that warrant it. In other words, he could still be forgiven in correlating what Allah says that there is no compulsion in belief, and forever Allah does not love who transgress.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Hadeeth Of The Day by littleb(m): 12:25am On Oct 15, 2009
The Prophet(Peace be upon him) said: "Do not consider any act of kindness insignificant, even meeting your brother with a cheerful face."

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "The most perfect of the believers in faith is the best of them in moral excellence, and the best of you are the kindest of you to their wives.”

Aswad said, I asked A'isha, "What did the Prophet (peace be upon him) do when in his house? She said, he served his wife, meaning that he did work for his wife.(Bukhari)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "O my people! You have certain rights over your wives and so have your wives over you. They are the trust of Allah in your hands, So you must treat them with kindness." (Muslim)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "The noblest charity is that a Muslim acquires some knowledge (of the Deen) then imparts it to a brother Muslim."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Paradise lies under the feet of the mother."

The Prophet of Allah said that" if a person has three daughters whom he provides for and brings up, Allah will surely reward him with paradise."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Do not glorify me in the same manner as the Christians glorify Jesus, son of Mary, but say,'He is a slave of Allah and His Messenger.' "

The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: "People will not sit remembering Allah without the angels surrounding them, mercy covering them, peace descending on them."

The Prophet(Peace be upon him) said: "The search of knowledge is an obligation laid on every Muslim"

The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: "He who goes out in search of knowledge is in Allah's path till he returns."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "The major sins are associating other objects of worship with Allah, disobedience to parents, murder, and deliberate perjury."

The Prophet (peace be upon him): "He who is not trustworthy has no Faith, and he who does not keep his Covenant has no religion."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "None of you believes till I am dearer to him than his father, his child and all mankind."
Islam for Muslims / Re: Olabowale Explains Islamic Killings by littleb(m): 12:22am On Oct 15, 2009
focused123:

@Olabowale :

You still have not explain why your brothers are so blood thirsty or maybe they are following the footsteps of Muhammed grin grin grin grin grin

There is nothing like blood thirsty in islam. If anything is not clear to you, ask diligently. I think you say, you follow Jesus. Is that part of Jesus teaching?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Gani Buried In Golden Casket! by littleb(m): 12:19am On Oct 15, 2009
It against the sunnah of Islam.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims ‘mass Producing’ Babies To Take Over Africa by littleb(m): 12:16am On Oct 15, 2009
focused123:

I am not surprise they are giving birth to children like African mosquitoes and bed bugs with four wives or even more. Afterall Muhammed (Muslim men spiritual mirror) have so many wives, plus the ones taken as booties and 6 years old Aisha.

God have mercy but Muslims will never take over Africa. That will never happen lai lai   shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked.



The  best of people have gone and many, there are only few ones. So, why killing yourself in ignorance. You better join the bus. Islam!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Sultan Of Sokoto Deceived Us by littleb(m): 12:10am On Oct 15, 2009
Nezan?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam And Terrorist by littleb(m): 12:08am On Oct 15, 2009
@focussed123

Thank you for all your critiques on Islam and our beloved prophet. I still consider them as an ironic demonstration of overreaction as long as you can still trace some of what you read in those hadiths to what we here on news, read on internet by linking muslims to terrorists, fundamentalist and so on.

First, I would like you to know that Islam define every aspect of human life and has procedures in implementing it as stated in Quran and hadiths. There is no arguement that prophet Muhammmad fought wars in his lifetime. However, what predate those wars and how was the event carried out. It was very clear in the history of Islam that the muslims went through a lot of tribulations and troubled in the hand of kufar. Accepting Islam and worshiping in islam was like inviting troubled. Yet, many accepted Islam including slaves, faced severe tribulations thereby some lose thier life like that of Zumayah and tortored like that of Bilal. Yet, they didn't fight. Afterall, muslims relocated to Madinah, many had to travel in the night to avoid being killed by the kufar. This mark the first Hirah in Islam. The muslims return to makah, thier homeland thereafter with much population, still the hostility and persecution from the kufar did not ceazed untill allah revealed the first verse to fight. After the conquest of makkah, people find tranquilty and total peace which prophet brought to every tribe living in Makkah and environs. In the light of this, the ffg verse revealed to muslims to accommodate the unbelievers.

“If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” Qur’an 9:6

No one raise a sword on anybody who doesn't accept Islam and even during war, only the people who raises sword were fought, the children, the old, the women,animals and the vegetations were all spared. In one quotation I read about our beloved prophet; stated thus:

Exercising superb statecraft, he welded the five heterogenous and conflicting tribes of the city, three of which were Jewish, into an orderly confederation, His reputation spread and people began to flock from every part of Arabia to see the man who had wrought this 'miracle.' (Smith, 230).

Now, regards to hadeeths you stated:

When the prophet and the sahabah were victorious over thier enemy. Is there any wars fought in the bible similar to what prophet Muhammad or not?

What responsible for those wars and how were they caried out?

Was Jesus ordered his enemy to killed or not?

Was jesus orderred his followers to buy sword or not?

Was Jesus not stated he was not sent for peace or not?

I think you need to ask yourself and justify your critique on Islam. Mind you, belief is not about what people say and what people do. I think you need to read the divine books.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Forbids Aggression Against Innocent People by littleb(m): 11:08pm On Oct 13, 2009
When the prophet said there would be sects in Islam, he didn't mentioned name. If by any analysis we find anyone against one of the sunah of prophet is not enough to categorise them as a sect. There are one, two or more several things which individual in his own conception capacity not too understand to the latest, and from there, it is possible to mis-apply it. Prophet(PBH) said in his own word the best generation of Islam is his own time follow by next, next follow. So, if anyone falls into error by mis-applying sunah does not necessary means a sect. Allah knows best.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Are The Xtiansn (kafir) unbeliver............ muslim's only plz by littleb(m): 5:09pm On Oct 11, 2009
@neotic

I think your questions were answered. You can point out where I deviated or you understand not.

Muhammad wasn't a spirit, at least one can trace his grave, so other prophet were not spirit. There are ample evidence in your bible that holy spirit has been humans long before jesus. In order guide us, God has been sending human being as a prophet to guide us. First amongst them is Adam. I belief I can't make you understand unless you help yourself by reasoning about the holes in the bible, when it was read that the comforter will hear and speak. Which language does the spirit use to communicate and how do you communicate to hear your request? Some christians will respond it is still the same GOD and this is why they blend three entities together as one. Lo, you just only need to reflect more on what you read in the bible. It was also read in the bible that a book was given to who can't read, "Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."Isaiah 29 verse 12. We muslims say it is ref is no other than prophet Muhummad, christians due to thier mind-set,they rejected this truth, even they noticed the truth in his message. It is left to you, much have discussed here regarding confussion and misconception of christians, yet people like neotic will still rambling on the same corner. I pray Almighty God who owns your heart,sight and ear will open them for the truth to sink in your soul.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Child Bride, 12, Dies In Yemen After Struggling To Give Birth For Three Days by littleb(m): 10:16am On Oct 11, 2009
GODSON2009:

and is that the situation in yemen in 2009
is their life expectancy in the northern naija 40 years as welli am heaving a sight of relief,cause i was starting to be scared of you, however the fact that a girl has started her menses does not make her a woman, have you not seen children as in 6,7,8 years old with budding breasts?especially in the western world?
that does not mean they are ready for sex,giving birth e.t.c
It is a proven fact that child marriage is common at medieval times and there was no objection to it. It was a norm in the society, marrying age is not divine, it only when someone is mature. Even, there is evidence that jesus mother gave birth at the age of 12, some differ it was 14 and so many girls after her. Aisha was reported married off at 9 while some report differ in her age, and it was obvious that there was no societal objection to the marriage. I have witness girls married off at the age of 13-14 in nigeria not because of thier belief in one religious tradition. Many century ago occurrences we are criticising, even we were to be amongst them we would experience the same, when life then was just only survival of the fittest. I wish you read the history of yoruba belief on 'Abiku' and justapose their belief with the advent of western medical aid. I think you may understand more.

If medically reported that there should be age recommendation for girls due to unforeseen calamity, fine, I think we can apply wisdom in doing that. The girl reportedly died was not explicitly due to young age, I read it there was no adequate medical attention, it could have happen to 30yrs old woman. May almighty God guide us.

GODSON2009:


you can divorce a woman in the quran by saying it 3 times abi?
I wish you present what you understand by divorce three times. There are lot of traditions which people practice. Islam just came to put prescription and moderate it. Now tell me, how many times can you fight your friend before he seized to be your friend? as much as Allah hate divorce, which was affirmed that the His throne shaken whenever the issue of divorce came in between a couple, yet he permit it, and there is provision to unite together again, if later we recognise our mistakes and we can correct it. If this happened three times, there is no problem. then, why criticizing it, is it not prescription for us not be wayward and jeorpadise our wordly affairs.

GODSON2009:

btw go and read abulnaab's comment on his thread,he has admitted that a man has the right to cane a woman with koboko according to the quran

Read verse the verse as bolded below:

Quran 4:34
YUSUF ALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).


There many things we can't question God. He placed Man higher in rank over woman on matrimonial life and He defined several rules on them both regarding each one's responsibilities. Do we accuse God why should women feel pain during pregnancy and delivery time?Out of this, some women in western world prefer to be operated during delivery. A man can beat her wife as the last resort. Such beating never meant to hurt her physically. It is agreed upon how it should be. I am a Muslim and I never beat my wife once, though we have some differences attimes.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Ask Me About Islam by littleb(m): 9:26am On Oct 10, 2009
@GODSON2009
Wrong questions get No answers. Your questions motive shows no sincerity. Why do you want know more about someone's faith with huge arrogance. You want us to give you response to some misconceptions with simple YES or NO. No explanation, no reference from Quran or hadiths. I think you need to be ignored.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Report: Nearly 25 Percent Of All People Are Muslim by littleb(m): 12:05am On Oct 10, 2009
GODSON2009:

@topic
utter rubbish!!if i may ask,how did they come about the 50.4% figure in nigeria?
what census did they use??
the disputed sensus which was highly and unrealistically inflated to favour political interests in the north?
if not then when did they conduct their own religious census that we nigerians were unaware of??

did they factor in,or do a proper count of the pentecostal christian members springing up all over nigeria bearing in mind that many of the converts still bear islamic names?
some people are so gullible that anything a white man says has to be the truth,
the way i view statistics or any assertion is if i look through it and i find a falsity,then the totality of the report is unbelievable and good only for the thrash bin.

as for muslims,this is only good enough for a feel good report so enjoy grin

Why will you commit suicide over on population census? Report could have been 80% chrisitians either.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Forbids Aggression Against Innocent People by littleb(m): 11:58pm On Oct 09, 2009
@focussed123

Man, your response here is wothless. Who got you informed islam prohibit education? and why do you think democracy is the best way to govern? Is rigging election peculier to muslims? I guess your wrong logic just sprang from hatred. Why will you people always think of setting a sprat to catch mackerel. You rake lies alltogether for religious politicking and do think you will be favoured cos you judge against yourself.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam And Terrorist by littleb(m): 11:56pm On Oct 09, 2009
@focused123

I cant find your quotation, agreed, you listed some criticisms which I doubted you never read from the Quran and hadiths. Moreso, you never quoted the chapter or verse where you got your info. If you think you re up to something sensible and religious benefit, I think you can offer it wisdom. Muslims will tell you Allah says, they should called people to Islam with wisdom and patient. Did jesus mention anything like that according to what you belief, if yes, then you truly against him. Can we just say, you can be rightly judged who you are and people will ignore you forever.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam And Terrorist by littleb(m): 12:32am On Oct 07, 2009
focused123:

1 Muhammad ordered and incited his followers to break every decent and moral guidelines that they had under tha so called Jahiliyah and turned his new 'Muslim converts' into merciless, subservient and unthinking killing machines.

2 Muhammad and his followers invariably attacked their unwary victims by ambushing them.


3 Muhammad and his followers almost always attacked their victims during the PROHIBITED MONTHS.


4 All these so called 'battles' were actually PIRATICAL RAIDS upon mostly civilian and trading targets to gain BOOTY, PLUNDER, SLAVES and females to RAPE.


5 Muhammad and his Allah shared 20% of all the booty. Since Allah does not claim His share, all the plunder then belongs to Muhammad.

Why would any 'divinity', any creator of the universe, need to partake and share in the plunder of human beings, is beyond logic and beneath contempt.


6 Muhammad created a following whose total allegiance was to himself and his mission only and who were willing and able to slaughter their own fathers, brothers and kinsmen to satisfy Muhammad's 'vision' of 'Islam'.


7 Muhammad & his Allah show a depraved indifference for the suffering of their victims. They both, actually, gloated and were delighted at the torment and degradation of their prey.


8 Muhammad's Allah supports Muhammad and his followers in EVERY battle against the UNBELIEVERS - Pagans, Jews and Christians - by sending them Angels of Death to help in the slaughter.


9 Allah causes the slaughter of his own PRE DESTINED creatures for being UNBELIEVERS although it was Allah who had PRE DESTINED them to be so.


19 Not a single one of the UNBELIEVERS had the FREE WILL to chose RIGHT from WRONG and YET they were and are all consigned to Allah's Hell.


20 Muhammad's Allah, in verse after verse in the Quran, INCITES, EXHORTS and DIRECTS Muhammad and his followers to SLAUGHTER, PLUNDER, SUBJUGATE, ENSLAVE and DESTROY all those who do not believe in 'Allah and his messenger Muhammad'.


21 In all the verses above, the SICKENING theme is the same:
AMBUSH, DECEIVE, SLAUGHTER, BOOTY, PLUNDER, TERRORISE, SUBJUGATE, GLOAT.


22 Not a single verse shows MERCY or COMPASSION to anyone, by either Allah or Muhammad.

In summation and in reality, to explain all the INCONSISTENCIES, DEPRAVITIES, IMMORALITIES, HATEMONGERING, WARMONGERING, PLUNDERING, RAPE, SLAUGHTERING, ERRORS, ENSLAVEMENT and MENDACITIES in the Quran and Hadiths, one can come to the following ONLY LOGICAL conclusion:

That Allah was and is INNOCENT of all these CRIMES because in fact, all the Quranic verses and the Hadith stories were and are Muhammad's own CREATION, his own ALTER EGO ingeniously projected into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah, the Pagan Arabian supreme rock god of the Ka'ba, the Black Stone.

Your writeup is somehow filmsy. Can you back it up with some reference if you are not a liar?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Can I Marry Her? by littleb(m): 12:16am On Oct 07, 2009
ploduwa:

Mad arabs & morons. Brrrrrup!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Mohammad Really The Last Prophet From The Biblical God? by littleb(m): 12:13am On Oct 07, 2009
@focused123
The truth is Muhammed was NEVER a prophet in the first place and he will NEVER be !!!!!!!!! . Muhammed was a Saudi Arabian Warlord.

Then in your own thinking , who was Muhammad before his claimed prophethood? Moreso, according to what you read in your bible, can you relate to me the historical life of all the prophets in the bible? Was there any reference to war in the bible or not? What was Jesus intention in ordering his followers to buy amunitions? You can't be kidding!

If Muhammed was a prophet as the Muhammedan claim, why didn't he testify of Jesus Christ ? Why did their Quran contradict the bible ?

You need to get it right. There is nothing like Muhammedan. Do you read at all? Jesus was more respected in the Quran than what you have in the bible. Also, Quran doesn't contradict bible, it is bible that contradict itself. That is why all the generations of bible believers are confused people. Quran is one which unit billions of world muslims in unitary worship and belief.


According to the following hadith, Aisha confirms that Muhammad was not able to predict the future, hence he could not have been a prophet.

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 6.378        Narrated by Masruq
I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" 'Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse:
"No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things."   (6.103) "It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil."  (42.51)


'Aisha further said,


"And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited:


"No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow."  (31.34)
She added: "And whoever tells you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: "O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord, " (5.67) 'Aisha added, "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice."


I believe you must have copied the write up somewhere. The hadith you quoted read as follows:

[b]Narrated Masruq: I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but his grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31.34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord, ' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice."  [/b]



There are several hadiths reported the israi wa miraaj and what prophet Muhammad saw regarding his Lord. No where was indicated  the physical form of God he saw, rather in line with the above hadith that what he saw was vieled by light. Now, it was recorded in your bible that Moses hear his Lord's voice which he made an attempt to reveal to himself the unseen. What did he saw?

Now, let me ask you which eyes has ever seen God? That is a question for you and never forget to mention what they saw and the circumstances leading to it.


Tabari 1:181 " The Prophet said 'I was sent immediately before the coming of the
Day of Doom. I preceded it like this one preceding that one' -referring to his index and middle finger"


182 "he said 'Allah will not make this nation [of Islam] incapable of lasting half a day -a day being a thousand years- …Consequently, based upon the Prophet's authority,, what remained of time was half a day that had elapsed to the Prophet's statement corresponds to 6500 years"
*** Based upon Muhammad's prophecy, Dooms Day should have occurred 500 years after this 'revelation' which occured about 610 AD.

Well, as we all know, the year 1110 had passed and we are in the year 2007 AD without the prophecy of the infallible 'Prophet' having come true.

Muhammad's alleged prophesies could be counted on one hand none of which ever came true.
Oh boy, I think you need to research more. I believe you copy and pasted the info. We are not in 2007 AD.


The bible never said anything about Muhammed. The bible talks about the comforter and Muhammed is not the comforter.

Quran 61:6 says "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: `Oh Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God to you, giving glad tidings of an apostle to come after me, whose name shall be AHMAD. But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, `This is clearly sorcery!'"
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muhammad Confirmed Unknowingly By Rabbis by littleb(m): 12:24am On Oct 06, 2009
SOLA ADETUNJI:

In all sincerity Islam seems to me to be the fraudulent religion.Okay,what about these:
#According to Sura 4:74, 9:5 and 9:29 Muslims are to slay (kill) non-Muslims
#Those who fight and die for Allah in Sura 52:17-20; 55:56-58; 55:70-74 and 56:37-38, will be rewarded with best fruits, rivers of vine, and 72 voluptuous fair virgin ladies in Heaven. Surely when the Muslims get to their own heaven there will still be polygamy and enjoyment of ladies!

There are many other facts.I will post them later

I believ people would like to read more of your facts, but before that. Read through the forum, coz many of what you might think in mind might have been discussed.
YOu 're Welcome on board
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muhammad Confirmed Unknowingly By Rabbis by littleb(m): 12:20am On Oct 06, 2009
SOLA ADETUNJI:

One thing is very plain:Xtians and Muslims are not worshiping the same God (or do I call it god?) How Can One God say Thou Shall not Kill and that same God support Killing in the name of Jihad.Surely One of these 2 religion is fake and fraudulent.Or what do you think?

Sola Adetunji,

I recognise you by your name. A whole omo Adetunji. Which one is greater between Jesus and GOD? That is question for you, but before that, do you ever read Jesus started Jihad by ordered his enemies to be killed?
Islam for Muslims / Re: If Jesus Is Just A Prophet Then Why? by littleb(m): 12:11am On Oct 06, 2009
Nezan:

Despite the fact that the forged document, the gospel of mary was never written by Mary Magdalene, which was why it was not included in the Bible, never in that document was it claimed that Jesus was secretly married to mary, my boy.

BTW, are we not comparing Jesus to Adam? abi you wan shift goal post cheesy cheesy

Was there any gospel written by prophets of the bible?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Are The Xtiansn (kafir) unbeliver............ muslim's only plz by littleb(m): 12:04am On Oct 06, 2009
noetic15:

1. how is allah my lord? was he the same lord of the OT? why did he stop using annointing oil and priestly sacrifices?
Allah is your God and Lord Who created you and your forefather, Adam(AS). However, despite you're informed, you didn't accept it only because of your mindset. When you read through the history, the story of supreme God never change. Even the idolators recognise Him. Their paganism is only in the sense of intermediary. Look through african history, with their belief in God almighty. I think you need to reflect on this. Belief me, you 've been on this forum for a while and I belief you should have grasp some things from the Quran, how Allah describe himself. And when He instructed the people of the books that your lord is ALLAH and one, but Jesus is nothing but a messenger from HIM. Do not say GOD is three or Jesus mother part of GOD and so on.

Now what is anointing oil according to you, I don't see the usefulness of oil to my God. Rather for we human being either for medicinal purpose or to produce light. Even as I am writing this, a few minutes ago, I just drink from olive oil mixed with honey as medicinal purpose as prescribed by prophet Muhammad(SAW), so was it used in the history by prophets before him.



noetic15:

2. why is mohammed's message different from that of the other prophets? why was the coming of mohammed not prophesied?

Tell me what was the message of Jesus according to the bible, I mean the original jesus statement message to the children of isreal. Then, what was Moses message to his people as well. What was abraham message. Do you think of common message or different ones? What Quran says is that all came with the same major message that your LORD is ALLAH and only one, it HIM that they should worship. I think you get it?
Islam for Muslims / Re: History Proves The Accuracy Of The Qur'an by littleb(m): 11:37pm On Oct 05, 2009
Nezan:

@muhsin; You see why I say you guys are deluded? the Bible recorded that Pharoah drowned, what are the signs of a drowned body? everybody could tell. mohammed plagiarised the Bible and you want us to give him credit? Bullshit!!

Was there anything regarding the body of pharao in the bible? NO! Quran has the destiny of his body to be preserved as a sign stated 1400 years ago, which was later discovered. At least, The pharao preserved body is obvious, now in your argument, what make the difference between a drowned body and preserved body. I think you need to reflect on this. Is plagiarisng bible justified ? Morover, Muhammad was never lettered, neither read nor write. Do you think if prophet Muhammad could not be called a proffessor for the great work in producing Quran, then more questions need to be asked about him.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muhammad Confirmed Unknowingly By Rabbis by littleb(m): 11:36pm On Oct 05, 2009
Nezan:

. . . the simple argument is for muslims to provide that copy of the Bible that is not corrupted. When you accuse somebody, the burden of proof lies on you!

So tomorrow somebody will come and proclaim rubbish and we take him serious? No way!

When you read Quran from fatiha to Nazz, there is no reference to what is called bible. What Allah revealed is Torah reveal to Moses(AS) or injeel, the gospel of Jesus(AS. Tell me, in your bible, which book is Jesus Gospel and which book is Moses Torah. The relevant one which was first five books you acclaimed to be by Moses was never even by Moses coz it was third level info. When you read Quran, just reflect on the wording, it is direct from almighty through angel jibril to prophet Muhammad and that was all revelation before it, not a conjoined incoherent stories, contradictions and the likes. There are so much ample evidence to disregard bible as Gods words, despite some goods moral teachings, related prophetic stories and the likes. There are story books who teaches morals lessons as well, but a book like bible becme wretched when you bring it under authorship of God Almighty.
Islam for Muslims / Re: If Jesus Is Just A Prophet Then Why? by littleb(m): 11:35pm On Oct 02, 2009
uchkochi:

If Jesus is just a prophet then why was He given birth to by virgin mary

Listen mus_lims,i dont mean to be rude but the hardest truth is the only truth,Jesus is the son of God.He is the way the truth and the life.There is no getting to God except through Jesus Christ that paid the ultimate price for the redemption of the world.you can deny it but it is still the truth,Jesus is the reason for your breath,He has the power to take it,but He wants you to be saved and leave religion alone,This non sense propagated by one man called m_ohammed has done so much harm than good.

There is no mus_lim in heaven,do not be deceived,stop fighting what u know nothing about.There is no life without Christ.we are in the End times and the only way to escape everlasting regret is to turn to Jesus Christ

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I percieve you as a great Jesus advertiser. A typical muslim already have the Gold and silver, the one christians are handling with dirty hands.
When Jesus was born Just only with no father, ever you think of Adam with no father or mother and Adams wife just created from part of a man, all these systematic and miraculous way are very easy for God. All these miracles never substitue created being equal to God or near it.

Do you ever reflect all the prophets before Jesus and thier people will be responsible and accountable for thier deeds. So do I and all other muslims while you loaded your sins and make it a burden for someone. Adam died and buried, Abraham died and buried, So Moses. Before messangership of prophet Muhammad, the whole of arab were in complete darkness. Idol worshippers, killing their female child and women were not better than slaves. He liberated them from ignorance, from opperesors, and gave light to the world with just a single book. What, if we called someone an illetrate, neither read nor write and brought a book, 1400 years ago has challenged the whole mankind, the book with no edition, no contradiction, has brought billons of people in harmonious way of worship. The book with a single author and not compilation of diffrent and incohehrent stories. More questions needs to ask if Muhammad was trully an illetrate.


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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Islam Hated From Ignorance? by littleb(m): 12:00am On Oct 02, 2009
@GODSON2009
I think you need to reflect much on your words and read it over loudly to yourself. Analyse your statement word for word rightly started from your ID.
Which God is your own father and which one did Jesus called upon, which one is in position during the three days of the one killed his authority siezed. When your god was on earth with his authority, why calling on another one for help. You need to wake up man and think straight.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Can I Marry Her? by littleb(m): 11:42pm On Oct 01, 2009
@olalekan

As it been explained to you. It is allow for muslims to marry people of the book, either christian or Jews. However, you will need to make her be a complete muslim in order not to affect your future. I mean your children. Morover, Marriages like this, although permitted but also not generalise. Umar ibn Katab forbades some companions during his time forbades some companions when there are lot of muslims girls available.

Also, there are many questions which arouse during marital life, which a man should asked himself before getting marry, such as which religious should the children practice, which festival should they celebrates and the likes. And in practice, how will you sort out the religious difference within the family. Such marriage in the light of spiritual commitment cost more than what a person prepared and with my experience with some family like that, the muslim husband regret in his old age when he realises the truth of hereafter and almost close to the end of his sourjon on earth.

Lastly, if you think you can proceed to marry her out of love nobody can stop you, however, first you need to ask yourself, did you love her for Allah's sake or otherwise and knowing it right that you are taking a big risk and you are responsible for any action you take on your life.
Islam for Muslims / Re: The Black Man And His Allah (s.w.t) Explained by littleb(m): 8:53am On Oct 01, 2009
noetic15:

how is abraham or ishmael the descendants of arabs? . . . . .another fraud from allah.

Cant you read in between lines? Is it the descendant of Abraham that are arabs or descendant of arab that is Abraham.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Islam Hated From Ignorance? by littleb(m): 8:39am On Oct 01, 2009
Nezan:



Jesus is the . . .way, no man cometh unto the Father, except through Him!



Nobody is disputing that. Every prophet at his time is the way to God. Believing in Jesus as the way in in his own time affirming the belief in the prophets before him. While belief in prophet Muhammad as the last prophet is affirming the belief in Jesus and all other prophets. God has never been in state of confussion or revealing ambiguity less we, created being did. All prophets came to testify to only one God and never share part or claim His attributes. Even, Jesus in his own message confirm that. When you sleep, do you ever think that Jesus also sleep like you, when you are hungry and looking up to find what you eat and you call on God to provide for you, do you ever think that Jesus did the same. And when you are in state of panicking, fear threat and so on, you call on God for help, do you ever think Jesus did the same. These are attributes of created being, less the ever living God need not. Never sleep, hungry nor need your assistance. And every requirment or reccommendations from God is to all our advatnage and a trial.
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