PurestBoy:

Are these people denying the fact that thousands of muslims are being converted to Christian everyday. I have several close friends of mine who were formally muslims but now go to Church and are doing well. So if these people post on a website why they converted you say the site is anti-islamic website, You guys are really coward

It is either way! People converted from both religions. Nevertheless, Islam is not a religious of quantity rather quality. It is expressed in the Quran that many have gone amongst the inheritance of paradise, only few are remain. Moreso, any named muslim man/woman converted is out of ignorance(of Islam) and probably in dying need of miracles.

uplawal:

i really do support ISLAM in everyway, why don't you people look deep into Nigeria herself that civilization in Africa itself started with the MUSLIM of the NOK culture,no doubt about that, also the first university in the world "UNIVERSITY OF TIMBUKTU" even in NIGERIA most northerners or most most muslim student from any tribe i should say then, are good in mathematics, law and sceinces, its cos there life revolves round it, they have perfect knowledge of how to handle things bestowed upon them by ALMIGHTY ALLAH.was once a CHRISTIAN but now a MUSLIM, and am loving it, thanks to ALMIGHTY GOD and to MUSLIM NAIRALANDERS for revealing truth, pls my MUSLIM BRO& SIS in all always maintain your truth as MUSLIMS, don't be hurt by any of their insults rather continue telling the truth and clarifying it.

Thanks sister. They will never appreciate the good works.

noetic:

where ever ignorance is celebrated, delusion is rampant.

We celebrated it together when your ignoramuses forefathers used to be sold for slavery.

@neotic,

noetic:

what rubbish is all this u wrote?

All could not be rubbished. Just point out the rubbish part and correct me since we are all learners.

uplawal:

@Babs
Amen o, one day they will be delivered of lies, and could you imagine if am not judging myself,atleast i was a born again christian o but still was confused about it,some pastors claim to have the holy spirit in them but still STAGE MIRACLES AND TESTIMONIES,u see the extent at which Gods spirit is soiled, they don't even call on GOD again since GOD is divided into three,but then as a christian do we have to leave aside BABA GOD and just concentrate worship on the sonGOD,and worship his spirit too since he's divideded,  some churches don't even worship the songod but his mother and call her MOTHER OF GOD.

Then we will all be singing jesu seun fun mi,jesu o jesu oooo and so on, hardly will you hear us say GOD did it, what i heard is that we should pray through him to GOD but what i see and hear  is pure worship and just leaving GOD aside.

That is exactly what they are!Liars! My sister, there will be no deliverance until Jesus is back. The antagonists of Islam have started long ago, right from the prophethood of Muhammad(SAW). Christianity have become a religion of transformation from what was existed to non existing. Thereby, they will never be one in their doctrines. In my younger age in early 80's, what I used to hear about Jesus was only son of God, now it has been promoted to God. However, some amongst them against it, while some are hypocritical, neither to the right nor left. We asked pastors, if Jesus is God, then  who was controlling the world when he was killed for three days? Then, you see them performing mathematical logic. Three in one, which Jesus himself never knew.



As for miracles. If not because people have been brainwashed, one of the major criteria of FAKE PASTORS is miracle. This is in line with Jesus statement according to thier book. But now you see late world pastors claiming and distributing miracles and wonders like sweets. You see, my sister, as a statement from our Imam shafii, I quote, "All humans are dead except those who have knowledge ,  And all those who have knowledge are asleep, except those who do good deeds ,  And those who do good are deceived, except those who are sincere ,  And those who are sincere are always in a state of worry”. That is the state of world religions. People would continue to be deceived till world ends, and this would capture majority.

Islamically, muslims should not have hatred for Christians but engaged in peaceful dialogue with them on worshiping one GOD and not associating partners with Him. Ironically, they will not accept your injunction from Quran and Hadith, because most of their questions lack sincerity. They even hate us more than we love them coz thier minds have polluted about Islam. They even simulate the Quran, named "THE TRUE FURQAN" in order to decieve people.

Islam is the only religion that has everything both spiritual and mundane, never mind thier weak and limpid propaganda. Islam is peaceful, being peaceful doesn't mean submissive to oppressors which most misunderstood. Islam is not christianity and can never be. Islam has laws and order guiding every aspect of human endeavors, there is no such laws in christianity. By which I mean that there is no Christian structure of society, no Christian legal system, and no Christian rules as to how a society is to be formed. For example the sharia laws guiding marraige,politics,war etc.
And as a Muslim, for one to be properly guided, you need two things; the Quran and Hadith, you don't need much from any alfa/Malam, either in miracle or the likes. And in state of confusion, just exercise patience untill you get the clearity. May almighty Allah increase our knowledge and count us amongst those He will be admitted to paradise.

ok.gerald:

What baffles me about christaianity is that a god dies, was tortured,dragged on the floor, nailed to the wall and u call that God? Haba,

Yes, according to the bible

davidylan:

What baffles me about islam is that one of 360 idols with 2 daughters could be extracted from a kaaba, dressed up as a new "god", re-installed in his former shrine and worshipped by billions?

according to www.answering-islam.org

which one is authentic?

babs787:

@Uplawal


I have been spreading the message of Islam since the day I moved from christianity to Islam and raised some threads on my former religion on NL using both books as my support but just like Allah said in the Quran, if the angels come down and show they proof, they would still not hear, so you tell them the truth and Allah would be your judge on that as He told us that we should call people to His way with wisdom knowledge and understanding and that truth has come and that no religion aside Islam would be accepted.

On the issue of wife of Allah, I asked Noetic to give where he got his fact from but told me to surf the net. I did that but couldnt see any. I told him and gave him verses where Allah mentioned allat as one of the idol ignorantly ascribed to Him as one of is daughters but the guy still told me that its a lie but he has never been able to furnish me where he got his own allat being the wife of Allah from. I even raised some threads for four of them, Noetic, No2atheism, Todak, Davidylan against myself but they messed up threads simply because they have limited knowledge.

This is the verse again where allat is mentioned.

Thanks babs for the job well done. I pray I have much time as you are.

@noetic,

though u failed to give satisfactory answers to my questions, by acting very typically illiterate. Answering a question with a question.
I will however answer u cos blabs adopted ur questions.

All your questions were answered. You could not be satisfied because you have a mind set. The questions posted to you were just to straightened your reasoning. However, you woefully failed because your response seem incoherence with the questions and full of baseless reference. However, I will point out your errors in order for you to be more objective rather than being biased.

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1. what is the cognates relation between olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord and God semantically.
oluwa means LORD.
god refers to an idol, like the one mohammed's father abd-allah was worshipping. who had a wife called allat and three daughters.
LORD, there are many lords who preside over territories or households. But I know of the LORD of lords called JESUS.
GOD is JEHOVAH, HE is not the same person as "allah".

Logically incoherence, grammatically inbalance and scripturally incorrect. god does refers to idol only in limited concept. There are many ways in which god had been used and still being used presently. Semantically, olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord have the same meaning. Only GOD is differ in which if you translate to Arabic it would mean nothing other than ALLAH. Grammatically if somebody is either claimed or imposted to be LORD of lords, never mean anything special other than repetition of the word lord. Scripturally, where Jesus called himself LORD of lords other than people calling him.
You failed!lo

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2. Anlyse the words "LAILAHI ILA ALAH"
there is no other "god" except "allah"
considering that there were 360 rivals of allah in mecca at the time of mohammed's birth, this phrase was neccesary to displace the sun and moon gods amongst others. Congrats, allah is now the only god in saudi arabia. but the only annoying thing is that he asked u to conquer the rest of the world with violence. that's very bad of mr allah.

"LAILAHI ILA ALAH". Means there is no other gods except ALLAH. ILAHI is a plurality of "lah" 'gods/idols'. From arabic, something physical which you bow down/prostrate, ALLAH from arabic context, one unique and unseen supernatural being. The idolators in pre islamic period refers thiers idols as gods(illahi), just like yoruba(oluwa/olu) and or lord.

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3. how would you differentiate god from God if not written down in english.
Simply by reference. I know "sango" "obatala" "oya" "budha" "allah" are not the GOD  I serve.
Jehovah GOD is not the same as "allah" Arabs might use the idolic name of allah to refer to Jehovah, but by reference, they are referring to someone else.

Simply incoherence. I never asked for obatala/sango, you should have ref that in no1 response. god and God are the same if not written down.

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4. why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now
because ELOHIM best captures the plurality of GOD,  God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
why refer to the bible? u said t'was corrupt.

Another shot in the leg. Eloi is Aramaic, just "my God" and not my Gods and another form is "Eli" as it was said by Jesus, which has the root word ALLAH in Arabic. The question is why could jesus used such word if ALLAH is not GOD?
ELOHIM is an hebrew word for God and mostly the biblical english writers used it as plurality "gods" in bible and not GODS. If I could be so stupid like you, based on your claim trinity and your first answer god=idol. Logically means you worshiped three idols/gods. Absolutely a failure!

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5. why this word ALLAH in Arabic bible?[/size]
check answer 3

There is no correlation in your response. The biblical writers have no other word to call God in Arabic other than ALLAH.

He wasn't the author of the passage. I think the author's views was basically a reflection from history. There are various authors perceptions regarding the history and muslims lived in cordoba,spain,indonesia,india,philipines,sudan e.t.c. In all, we know how muslims had fell when they started pursuing pleasurable things, however abandoned knowledge and Islamic propagation.

noetic:

the day u start answering my questions, rain will start falling in the desert.

All your questions are answerred.

what makes a true muslim? a wahabbi? a sufi?

Niether Wahabbi nor sufi never ever make a true muslim. A true muslim is defined as someone who is totally subsmissive to Allah almighty as commanded in the Quran and,

babs787:

A true Muslim can never be deceived by the 'world'

davidylan:

See . . . they practically HAVE to BEG muslims to go on "pilgrimage" to Jerusalem "to show" it is a muslim city.

Now you know why no one believes these sniveling frauds and demons who claim Jerusalem as the "third holiest" city in islam.

Egypt minister urges Muslims to visit Jerusalem
2 days ago

[size=15pt]CAIRO (AFP) — The world's billion-plus Muslims should go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem to show that it is a Muslim city and the future capital of a Palestinian state, an Egyptian minister was quoted on Thursday as saying.
Minister of Religious Endowments Mohammed Hamdi Zaqzuq made the appeal despite the Arab world's refusal of normalisation with Israel, which wants to make Jerusalem its "eternal and undivided capital."
"Just as Muslims go on pilgrimage, to Mecca, they should also go to Jerusalem and to the Al-Aqsa mosque by the hundreds of thousand every year," the Al-Masry Al-Yom daily quoted Zaqzuq as saying.
This way "we can show the whole world that Jerusalem is something that concerns all Muslims," Zaqzuq said.
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So he is saying that jerusalem means NOTHING to muslims UNTIL jews decided to make it their undivided capital? No wonder for the 19yrs it was Jordanian territory even the Jordanians chose Amman rather than Jerusalem as its capital.

This is just nothing new. Muslims have ever been visiting Masjid Aqsa in Jerusalem long time ago as an advice from prophet Muhammad. Islam recognize the significance of three great mosques:the Sacred Mosque in Makkah; the prophet's Mosque in Madinah; and Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

bawomolo:

[center]Stanley Lane-Poole in ‘The Moors in Spain’: Introduction. [/center]

For nearly eight centuries, under the Mohamedan rule, Spain set all Europe a shining example of a civilized and enlightened state. Her fertile provinces rendered doubly prolific, by the industrious engineering skill of the conquerors bore fruit a hundredfold, cities innumerable sprang up in the rich valleys in the Guadalquivir and the Guadiana whose names, and names only commemorate the vanished glories of their past.

", To Cordoba belong all the beauty and ornaments that delight the eye or dazzle the sight. Her long line of Sultans form her crown of glory; her necklace is strung with the pearls which her poets have gathered from the ocean of language; her dress is of the banners of learning, well-knit together by her men of science; and the masters of every art and industry are the hem of her garments.

"Art, literature and science prospered as they then prospered nowhere else in Europe,

"Mathematics, astronomy, botany, history, philosophy and jurisprudence were to be mastered in Spain, and Spain alone. Whatever makes a kingdom great and prosperous, whatever tends to refinement and civilization, was found in Muslim Spain,

"With Granada fell all Spain's greatness. For a brief while, indeed, the reflection of the Moorish splendour cast a borrowed light upon the history of the land which it had once warmed with its sunny radiance. The great epoch of Isabella, Charles V and Philip II, of Columbus, Cortes and Pizarro, shed a last halo about the dying monuments of a mighty state. When followed the abomination of dissolution, the rule of inquisition and the blackness of darkness in which Spain has been plunged ever since.

"In the land where science was once supreme, the Spanish doctors became noted for nothing but their ignorance and incapacity. The arts of Toledo and Almeria faded into insignificance.

"The land deprived of skillful irrigation of the Moors, grew improvished and neglected, the richest and most fertile valleys languished and were deserted, and most of the populous cities which had filled every district in Andalusia, fell into ruinous decay; and beggars, friars, and bandits took the place of scholars, merchants and knights. So low fell Spain when she had driven away the Moors. Such is the melancholy contrast offered by her history."



dawodu - you might want to read this.

[url=http://www.xmission.com/~dderhak/index/moors.htm[/i]]http://www.xmission.com/~dderhak/index/moors.htm[/url]

Thanks for unbiased contribution.

I will presumed that davidylan has started learning Qur'an. However, I will correct you on the following perception:

davidylan:

1. the word "Khamr" appears 6 times in the quran . . . Surah 47:15 is unfortunately one of them so that blows your lies out of the water.

The brother has not said anything wrong. What he said is the type of drink people of paradise will drink is not 'khamr' as it is used in the Qur'an.
An in refrence to that, Allah says:
Qr. 56:18:'Bi akwahabin, Wa baarikin, wa kaasin [/b]min maeen' (english:With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains)
       19: 'La yusadhuna ania wa la yusikun' (english:No after-ache will they receive therefrom, nor will they suffer intoxication)

In some translation, wine was used instead of fountain. However, the arabic words you will commonly find in mostly all the verses refering the the drink of the dwellers of paradise is kaasan/kaasin(meaning a cup filled with pleasures)

In another verse:
Qr52:23
'Yatanasuna fiha [b]kaasan la laghw fiha wala taasima'

english

There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw, and free from sin (Laghw refer to forbidden items, e.g intoxiacant in english)

In another translation:
They shall there exchange, one with another, a (loving) cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of ill.

2. NO WHERE did those verses "state it will not intoxicate" . . . that again is a lie by muslims struggling to paper over apparent contradictions in the quran.

You are right. However, I believe you understand it better now.

Allah instructed muslims to eat and drink out all things he provided for us, however not to drink anything intoxicants. However, if you are forced to do that, probably under inescapable compulsion, there are various explanation regarding this. Some scholars related to ailment in which there is no alternative and or on a journey where there is no other drinks. However, for every reaction to such, knowledge and sincerity are very essential.

what facts do u need? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin just google "allat" and "origin of allah" and "daughters of allah".

It is you who need to be corrected, you can't know history and or Islam more than the arabs.

That is because of the mohammed islamic deception. until i researched the true origin of allah, I also thought that he/it was the bible GOD.
but on further analyses I realised it was a fraud and an elevation of one of the 360 gods of arabia.

who was the allah that mohammed`s father worshipped?
who is allah`s wife called "allat"?
who are their three children?
how does all this connect to mohammeds allah?

Which book/article did you read? Who is the author of the book? Where did he get the source information? Did you want to teach the arabs thier own history? Do you want to know Abu more than his mother? I have clearly explain the the differrence between 'Lah/Al-ilah and 'Allah' relating to Arab language and I gave example from english language, the realtion between 'god(s)' and God. I gave five diff assignment from this which you, neotic systematically dodged. Authoritatively, any website that you may sight regarding Allah was one of the 360 gods of Arabia are mostly christians webs. Most of this authors are totally ignorance of the word ALLAH, arab cultures and Islam in general. There are merely propangandist.

Now, I will still refer you to my earlier questions;


1. what is the cognates relation between olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord and God semantically.

2. Anlyse the words "LAILAHI ILA ALAH"

3. how would you differentiate god from God if not written down in english.

4. why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now

5. why this word ALLAH in Arabic bible?

probaby you check usual sites: www.answering-islam.org, muslim_hope , e.t.c

noetic:

sentiments aside, how do my comments equate to hatred?

cant u be simply objective? I have asked numerous questions and all I get are insults, banning and re-banning, how then does my reaction equate to hatred?
Hate is a very strong word, I dont hate muslims or anyone, I only hate the evil propagated in the name of allah.

There is no sentiment here. There is room for debating, not by abussive words and attacking personality. I too don't support anybody perpetrating evil in the name of anytthing.

noetic:

hey. . . .

please hear urself, I should show u proofs that the RUBBISH he said are NOT facts? LOL

WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF ANY OF THE RUBBISH HE SAID IN THOSE THREADS?

Then, where are your own facts?

@uplawal

uplawal:

i believe in ISLAM now but need someone to put me through

my dear sister, if one want to be a good believer and have better understanding of this religion. First, purification of intention is very important, that is, an undiluted sincerity. Next is working in the path of shaadah, that is testification that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, alone, with no partner. Hold to reading Quran and Hadeeth and seek for clearity wherever you are confused. However, beware of many Isalmic teachers coz they too can be misleading. Prophet says, one of the calamities I fear after my demise are misleading scholars(Al-hulamaaul Mudholun). Thereby, he warn us of innovation in religion, always seek clearity on anything outside hadeeth and Quran and I believe you shall be guided.

@Horus

Horus:

Do you allow a tatoo of Osama Ben Laden?. Is its against the religion of Islam?
(I hope that I will not get beheaded before receiving and answer to this question)

There is one perception needed to be corrected about Osama. He is just a human being like all other muslims and not a prophet, and as we muslim believe, prophet Muhammad was the last of all prophets.
Now, actually, I am not aware of Osama's tattoos, however osama used to be flirtatious before he started practicing Islam properly. Moreso, I have several friends like that too with tattoos before practicing Islam properly.

Islam is not a religious of magicians where each individual would think he has been authorized to do and undo thereby modifying physical destiny accorded by God Almighty. In one of the prophet Muhammad message to his followers, that towards the end of last hour, people would be selling religion(like bread). If someone could understand this, then, how could you market bread? Understandably, I dont say there is no mircacle, however, 99% of such present miracles performed by humans are pure magics by imploring the JINS. The main messsage of God to human being is just basically obidient, and there is judgement for disobidiency (for example, probably AID), it has nothing attached to performing miracles thereby raising the deads, healing the blinds etc. Now that the presents pastors turn to miracle advertisers which actually have make many to lose thier focus on the part of religion today. For example, in Nigeria today, 90% of the people attends religious congregation with the miracle perception to the to concept of understanding that religious better. In Islam  today, people who are not well grounded Islamically easily lose thier focus too, thierby looking for solution to thier propblems in churches. The miracles (like raising the deads) as representes in Islam are those accorded to the prophets mentioned in the Quran for people to believe them, they were sent by God alimghty. The present testimonies are just the main advert tools used by present days churches.

@todak, I will tackle you on one point, if raising the dead has been ordained by God almighty to be performed by the present day churches, why cant they place thier meeting point in mortuary? At least, there are many unknown deaths everyday?

In Islam, their is recognition for miracles as a sign from Almighty God. Thereby, you see many Islamic mircales performed not by humans but just occurred naturally which nobody has ever been able to disput up till now.
Also, there are precsribed prayers in Islam as well for solving one problem or the other. One of this is famous Rukyah(mostly for people possessed by demons) which I personally have witnessed severally. Meanwhile, there is no need for just testimony/advertisement in mosque saying demons has been casted out  of someone by a particular Ustaz, Islam in totality against such popularity and announcements.

@tadak

todak:

Well, I mean tetimonies like rasing the dead, making the blind see, making the lame work, like a AIDS patience after the jumat service, going back to hospital and later told it is negative, and so many more like we do have in Christiandom. plz lets be discrete here, i am just a curious person who want to know.

You are just very funny! I will respond in details, just a bit busy. If I were to give this thread another name. Miracle and Testimony In Isalm.

Horus:

Can A True Muslim Leave Islam?
No!!, a true Muslim cannot leave Islam,or he will be beheaded.

If he had beheaded someone after he converted.

Salam everyone,

Due to the emphasis on avoiding Riba, I have always stayed away from interests on my savings account giving it out to Charity when i feel it is getting close to 500 naira. Of late i have been thinking of growing my money and some people say FIXED DEPOSITS are allowed while some say no. Pls can anyone with a good Islamic Finance Background enlighten me on this. Thanks

Regards,
Ma Salam

The intention of keeping money in bank has to be purified first as to the fact that people do that because of many reasons. Islam against interest and one should try and stay away from as much as one can. Prophet muhammad stated it as one of the sign of last hour that the usury/interest will be so much common that hardly that even muslims could not escape it. This is evidence by many circumstances we find ourself today, for example loan facilities from bank and financial organizations.
Now, keeping a fixed deposit is like normal account if the intention is purified from enjoying the interest accumulation. This could probably, for future use or any other genuine reasons. Wallah Alaam.

gombo_s:

Last two centuries, the Western ideas have started spreading through out the world, while the Islamic civilization have shrunk slowly. But today, it seems the old civilization (Islam) is comming back while the westerners start to doubt about it. do you think these two great civilizations can coexist side by side ? if yes, what kind of measures should the peace lovers take?

First, there has been Islamic civilization right from first century of Islamic era which actually has impact on the developed world today. However, to my believe, civilaization is not just a thing you can own forever. It merely could be acquired/steal by someone else and developed upon. Islamic civilization has almost die completely today in many present Islamic nations coz the muslims have left the scope and modality it requires. The bases was actually nothing but knowledge, which not only limited to the religious rituals but also a structure that encompasses every aspect of human life including  law, politics, arts, science etc. For once they left the legend of educating the youngs and seeking for knowledge given the chance for enemy to overcome them and put them in pandemonium, so started the dying civilization. Now, the life of the present muslims leaving under the present western ideololgies have been so mortgaged to the extent that most could not even retraced what belong to them and not.

The ingredients of the so called western ideologies and or civilzation has nothing new other than the acquired civilization from the old ones. The  intrinsic analysis of the western thinkers has no religious concern otherwise only focuses on materialism and improving thier economy through killing of any religious and non religious barrier. Believe me, Islamic ideologies and western one could not be unitarised coz the two are equal and opposite, taking banking sector has an example. Islam has its own banking rules rightly defined from Quran and Hadith which is formalized under Sharia Law and in opposite to that of western thinkers.

Quote from: dominique on April 21, 2009, 05:22 PM
@horus
this is nothing but pure garbage Tongue, you need to take islamic defamation lessons from noetic and davidylan before you can post here Tongue Wink.
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin he was only expressing himself. its called freedom of speech.

Thanks @dominique for your advice. That is being taken care of.
@n_o_e_t_ic
freedom of speech indeed.

Grin Grin Grin Grin what is new about islam? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Nothing!

n_o_e_t_ic:

@ todak

y did u bother? just leave the slave to his misery.
all he had to do was objectively read the disputed verses.
y not go to ur own koran . . . . .deluded slave of allah. 

He is a fool and an idiot for expressing himself and saying the obvious.

Now the retarded mukina will not come crying that a thread is being derailed, as long as it is fellow slaves that are chatting shit and refusing to let the poor poster express himself peacefully.

islam is evil. . . . . . and all u have to say is "you are a fool" and "bloody idiot". . . . it tells a lot about the tolerance in islam.

I will continue to tell you, even if you fail to listen. Believe me, even, Jesus will never be your good friend in this forum coz your attitude is disheartening. You need a cure for your heart disease!Hatred!

@todak,

@bilms
This is a religion discussion that need understanding, we cant make people understand by force, i am tired of trying to expalin lies.

some1 will for political reason do something but some other people will blame it on his religion. not because they dont no, but because they always look for way to attack the other religion.

Hmmmmm, you are really tired, cos you have not been active in religious forum, do need to answer my question before we proceed, then we would know what is political in destroying millions of people.

@bilms, thank for your good rsponse.
There is no new to activeness in any thread. The destruction of millions in the present age is majorly political, probably fighting for supremacy, if we are to start arguement on the reasons for this we would never reach a unitary point. There will be many questions to ask and to aeach one, there are many answers. One of your opinion is religious, claiming Osama killings. Phylosophically, why should two people fight?

was osama jeolous of the bouyant economy, or their supremacy or what was he jeolous of, you need to tell me what is politicking in that. but first answer my questions.

That is one view which needs detail. Probably we need to ask osama. Why should America place a check on every country economy and war weapons?

AS for littleb

its good to make oneself outspoken, but it bad to be outspoken on the wrong subject/side.

I am very sorry, kindly highlight my perverted words propbably I might be corrected.

@babs
this question is for you, do not hide now, or noncahlant about it.

At least I provided a response, this is just an open discussion for us to share and debate.

A true muslim will never leave Islam. Those convertee are majorly through one problems or the other, be financial, spiritual, physical deformation and the likes and since there is no proper understanding of their religion, they seek for solution anywhere.

n_o_e_t_ic:

do u want him to get killed?

for what?

@neotic,

I believe that the pertinent imperfections of the koran necessitated the hadith.

There is no genuineness in your utterances. How will be? The books you don't have faith in, needless to say is basically you don't read it. Your accusations are basically on proxy.

The imperfection of the haddith and subsequently the koran,
(as represented by the inhuman and antediluvian beheading and amputation encouraged by sharia coupled with bin laden`s terrorism inclined jihad)
cannot survive modern 21st century realities where democracy, women rights, human rights, civil liberties, freedom of speech and association, peace and non violent relations amongst others are the conversant issues.

Bin laden is quite right a muslim and ordinary man like you and me. If he has committed crimes as the govt claims, let the law deal with him. On the other hand, religious has ever been one of the major tools for human liberation right a long time. Redeeming the people from slavery, allowed them to practice their religion and emancipating them from opperessors through war.

Jihad(commonly term Holy War) not only pertinent to Islam. The Jews believed they were given a divine order to kill every human being who became an obstacle in their way while the christians could not understand the concept of "sword" mention by Jesus untill 1000 years ago transformed to a monolithic and dangerous bloody crusades. However, the wars of the present age has huge political coloration than being religious. Its deeply root cause is majorly known to the fighters.

Sharia is an Islamic way of life, not for christians neither for jewish, so, why will someone kill himself because of that?

The koran is imperfect from all ramifications including morality and healthy peaceful human relations point of view. A radical but intellectual rebranding of allah, mohammed and all islamic tenets and their followers is necessary.

It will never be perfect to you even with no evidence! However, you could not provide a single verse similar to the content. 1400 years ago, still remain unique, lo!

Bismillah-ir- Rahman Nir Rahim


The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him & his progeny) Said:


1) Four things that make your body sick:
a) Excessive talking
b) Excessive sleeping
c) Excessive eating
d) Excessive meeting other people

2) Four things that destroys the body:
a) Worrying
b) Sorrow (Sadness/Grief)
c) Hunger
d) Sleeping late in the night

3) Four things that dry the face & take away its happiness:
a) Lying
b) Being disrespectful / impudent (insisting on something wrong knowingly)
c) Arguing without adequate knowledge & Information
d) Excessive immorality (doing something wrong without fear)

4) Four things that increases the wetness of face & its happiness:
a) Piety
b) Loyalty
c) Generosity (being kind)
d) To be helpful to others without he / she asking for that

5) Four things that stop the Rizq (Sustenance) :
a) Sleeping in the morning (from Fajr to sunrise)
b) Not Performing Namaz or Irregular in Prayers
c) Laziness / Idleness
d) Treachery / Dishonesty

6) Four things that bring / increase the Rizq:
a) Staying up in the night for prayers
b) Excessive Repentance
c) Regular Charity
d) Zikr (Remembrance of Allah / God)

The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him & his progeny), also said to communicate
to others even if you listen One Verse (Ayah) & this one verse will stand on
the Day of Judgment for intercession.
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The Holy Prophet (SAW) said, stop doing everything during the Azaan, even
reading the Quran, the person who talks during the Azaan will not be able to
say the Kalima A Shahadat on his/her death bed.

READ THIS DUAA FOR BETTER LIFE

Allahumma- inni- ala- Zikr-ika -wa Shuk-rika wa husni-ib ad -atika

@badriyah,

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/catch-up#2871275

I couldn't watch clip. However I saw an Image with inscription; ", medical injuries that viewers may find upsetting"

I said it earlier that people needs wisdom to understand and interpret the technologies. The problem here is nothing but lack of knowledge in the present age.

For example, we have ref of biblical prophets marry up to 100 wives, why cant we challenge God for making His prophets to pass through such since He knows it will not suit our present generation.

Marrying young girls was a cultural thing, not only a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus is one of examples, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus.

Mary had already been "BETROTHED" to Joseph at her much younger age before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. Therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old.

We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer".

According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus.

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

So if I want to be as silly and ridiculous as many of the christians e.g neotic, I would respond to them by saying that Mary was psychologically and emotionally devastated for getting pregnant at a very young age. And speaking of "child molesting", since most Christians believe that Jesus is the Creator of this universe, then why did GOD allow himself to enter life through a 12-year old young girl's vagina?


@noetic
Please note that we Muslims love and respect Allah Almighty, Mary, Jesus and Allah's Messengers and prophets to the People of the Book (The Jews and Christians).
In other words, we Muslims would never make fun of Christianity through such childish accusation like this as many ridiculous Christians do make fun of Islam through Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has been barbaric.

noetic:

damn it!!!

first we dont know which allah mohammed`s father was worshipping.
Now we also know that it wasnt an angel jubril that gave the koran, but a group of dubious men and women.
And then the koran and islam were defined in Baghdad and not saudi arabia. I wonder what else we are gonna find out?

My father used to tell me. "Limit your argument with fools, coz they will make you lose your temper". Your accusation has been cleared regarding Muhammad's father in the ffg link:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-152378.32.html#msg3746767

The Qur’an was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was orally. It was compiled in the time of Abu Bakr, the first caliph, and was standardized in the time of Uthman, the third caliph. The Qur’an in its actual form is generally considered by academic scholars to record the words spoken by Muhammad because the search for variants in Western academia has not yielded any differences of great significance and that historically controversy over the content of the Qur’an has never become a main point.Therefore all Muslims, use the same Qur’an.

buke1987:

My brother i am a muslim to and i wanted to state that in the Qur'an it states that if you are a christian or a jew even a sabian if you believe that there is one god and one god only and that you live the right way one the right path than you shall have nothing to fear. I do not look at christian as my enemies because they were not born into that so you must help and lend out your hand to them in peace so that they may understand if they do not then let it be for you have tried. I urge any muslim that hate is not accepted or advised even though most of them hate us. Hate will kill a person from inside out so may peace be on them. Keep the faith strong my friend for i will pray for you

saalam

You've said the truth. Yet, most of them hate us coz they've been brainwashed. Also, Allah encouraged to dialogue with them in the best manner, and if they turn back in falsehood, there judgment should be left for their creator. Believe me out of this hatred is now their propagandist against Islam. Even, to the young ones, telling them lies and likes in so many children bible congregation, birthdays and several others. Let me relate a scenario to you. There was a children congregation, you know, the children were mad to close their eyes, before they open it, they hide the children foods and tell them Muhammad has taken away their food. they were orderred to open it again and they tell them Jesus has return their food. Now tell me, who are they deceiving?