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My God is a faithful God!...amen! God bless us all according to his will!

neksummi: We tasted a little bit of it in Adamawa. It wasn't easy. Thank God ours was restored. If na my deputy governor, i for cut him throat!

.... this is a boko haram member talking

oiseworld: Now I know the source of your hypocrisy, youve got some education. So you always put your education to use when ever you're interpreting the Bible. Guy, it doesn't work like that.

The Bible is black and white so take your stand and stop greasing the word to suit your selfish interest. God judges from the heart. Lusting after a woman is sin as far as the kingdom is concerned.

so why give the whole issue a tot? why give those with tendencies to become gay an opportunity to serve in the church when they are still romancing with sin.

I advice you read your Bible with keen interest next time so u know how to interpret it.

Good luck on your shallow defense.

social media proliferation: now anybody can "talk"... even some who still visit a psychiatrist...what a "free" world we living in indeed!... Mr man u better go complete ur half protestant(rebel) bible b4 u gush out rubbish! Bloody protestant!... catholics r talkin, u sef wan talk! who give u license?

oiseworld: Now I know the source of your hypocrisy, youve got some education. So you always put your education to use when ever you're interpreting the Bible. Guy, it doesn't work like that.

The Bible is black and white so take your stand and stop greasing the word to suit your selfish interest. God judges from the heart. Lusting after a woman is sin as far as the kingdom is concerned.

so why give the whole issue a tot? why give those with tendencies to become gay an opportunity to serve in the church when they are still romancing with sin.

I advice you read your Bible with keen interest next time so u know how to interpret it.
Good luck on your shallow defense.

social media proliferation: now anybody can "talk"... even some who still visit a psychiatrist...what a "free" world we living in indeed!... Mr man u better go complete ur half protestant(rebel) bible b4 u gush out rubbish! Bloody protestant!

edwardwin: To all you pro-gays and anti-gays, and all those sitting
on the fence in the matter, I have news for you: Pope
Francis yesterday did not - tacitly or otherwise -
approve of homosexuality.
His words, as quoted by BBC News, goeth thus: 'If a
person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who
am I to judge them?' Mind you, he was speaking of the
person, not of the act, and he was also declaring that in
the spirit of Matthew 7:1 - 'Judge not so that ye will not
be judged' - and John 8:7 - 'If any of you is without sin,
let him cast the first stone'.
Now, Il Papa's position is no different from what the
Catholic Church had declared earlier in its Cathecism -
released in the 90s - to be the Church's official position:
homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, but the person
who has a homosexual inclination is not evil, but rather
a child of God. The act should be condemned but the
person should be treated with love and respect.
So, what is the implication of the Pope's comment?
Simply this: Papa Francesco has not said anything new.
Homosexuality is no more accepted in the Catholic
Church post-comment than it was before he spoke. The
Church is still as vehemently against homosexuality as
it was before Francesco.
If some pro-gays were smart, they would see that
nothing has really changed and that their task is still as
uphill as before. By distinguishing between the person
and the act, and condemning the latter as sinful, the
Church ensures that those people with homosexual
inclinations cannot express the fulness of their sexuality
by indulging in the said acts. It means that the best way
for homosexuals to remain sinless is to be celibate all
their lives.
If some gay bashers were smart too, they would see
that Papa Francesco has done them a great service
which they sometimes fail to do to themselves. By
making a subtle distinction between the person and the
act, he preserves the attractiveness - if any - of their
position. Many more will listen to them now if they
preach this mantra - hate the act, but love the person -
than if they just condemn everything, throwing away the
baby with the bath water.
Buon pomeriggio a tutti

thank God the reasonable people like u made the sacrifice to be here.

home girl: i am a catholic and i must tell you the pope has brought shame on majority of us catholics. even in my church on sunday our preached told us to refrain from sin. so how can pope of all people encourage gay. this is so so bad.

ur either an impostor or an 'illiterate catholic'- .....not sayin u didnt graduate from Havard wit a 1st classs..NOpe! am sayin ur illiterate in xtainity and the system it operates... U knw nothing bout Catholicism. U r at best an impersonator of Catholic identity or at worst a "nominal" Catholic...which eva u are, Pls retrace ur steps cos ur too daft to comment on intricate matters of this magnitude!

abouzaid: It's interesting on how the western media never reports gay supporting churches in bad light but always exaggerates anything negative that can be linked to catholic ministers. The truth is that the west supports gays and abortion and the more some ppl tries to drag the catholic church into this mud, the more the agenda of the western media is succeeding. It's only a question of time before western governments start making acceptance of gay rights as a condition for receiving economic aid, then we will not only see what we did to ourselves out of blind hatred but we will also know which churches will accept gay rights. I have no doubt that it's the same churches that accepted it in the west that will accept it here.Time will tell.

just spoke my mind

Pipsland78: ...that he does not have the guts to stand for the truth.

if ur above statement holds, then i guess Jesus didnt have the guts to condemn Mary magdalene who was a prostitute, when he didnt Judge her...imagine. n Mary was even a hot ash*wo o. ...i guess Jesus had no guts to stand against the brothels when he saved her from mob action... Una nor jus dey reason like say una get brain at all... are u guys dat heartless to hate a human simply cos he's psychologically sick(gayism)?...hate the sin, not the sinner and help the sinner to attain salvation... THE church is the only church which has condemned GAY MARRIAGE N ABORTION...i see gay marriages in pentecostal churches n evangelical churches in South Africa, France, america...etc. But there has neva bn n will neva b a gay catholic marriage or accreditation of the act.

oiseworld: Your father the head of the catholic church is a gay, and you are here calling you mom and hallowed brain.
If the church can not stand for the truth then who will. The would looks up to the church for leadership and see what the pope had to offer. Haven't former popes condemed the act, yet it grew the more, what is wrong for this one to do same.

YOUR FAMILY...!!!

pls tell me the interview questions n the popes response...i can swear u wer too lazy to read on the internet. Thats how u ppl read one section of the bible n take it out of context. I wont waste words on u. i will rather u open ur faculty of reason to argue more objectively, n speak like u got a useful education bro!

elampiro: [b]My brother you are correct.

The Pope's statement is like saying ''don't preach against sin'', and to consider the seriousness of the topic ''homosexuality' makes his comment too bad. If you read the way people are reacting here, you will notice that there is a shift in paradigm already. People are already more tolerant of the homosexualism or gayism. I won't be surprised if the senators takes a U turn now and say people should learn to tolerate homosexuality and also learn to integrate gays and lesbians into the society. The western world are legalizing gay marriages under the excuse that they are being discriminated. Christianity is suppose to be God's voice in the world, we are meant to be the light of the world, hence there should not be compromising of our Christian/Catholic beliefs.

In 2005 Pope Benedict signed a document stating clearly that people with homosexual tendencies should not be admitted into the priesthood. Pope John Paul II closed a seminary school because of reports of inappropriate behavior and pornography materials find. Now Pope Francis is tainting these beautiful hard work of his predecessors by indirectly condoning homosexuality.

This is not the first time Pope Francis has made controversial statements. In 25 years reign of Pope John Paul II we never for once have to come out to defend our Pope. Why does Pope Francis give room for his comments to be re-interpreted or misinterpreted as some people claim? Is he incompetent? This is about the forth time, the others were thrashed in some Catholic forum. I wonder what his aims are. Hope we won't see a time of division in the church where only a tiny remnant will remain true Catholic? It looks like some Catholic prophecies are about to be fulfilled. [/b]

...this one no jus understand english(sorry to say) the pope didnt say dnt preach against homosexuality as u analogized
'preaching against sin' to. the Pope has only said... Gays(those who have tendency of same sex attraction SSA) who seek God(seeking God means ur not living in sin of homosexuality- in this context). Note i think when we say "homosexuals" by usage we mean both doz who practice the act n doz who have tendencies(som guys r not attracted to females- its a psychological disorder). How would u judge(discriminate) a sick person who has a condition but doz not practice it. like u said in 2005 Benedict signed a document preventin ppl with gay tendencies(note; not gay adulterers). Now the Pope has not removed that rule. Rather he condemns the sin but not the sinner or the person with a condition to lov a man(but who decides to forsake his base desires to serve God). Ok tell me where he has gon wrong? NO OTHER CHURCH OPPOSES HOMOSEXUALITY LEGALISATION...OR ABORTION LEGALISATION like the Catholic church. WHEN AMERICAN PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES AND EVANGELICAL CHURCHES FELL for the gay debate, ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS REMAINED STANDING AGAINST IT FOR OVER 13yrs now....Y Must u people always make mountains out of anthills...Francis is a humble pope who doesnt like media attention, yet u ppl always give him a tag n front page him...Y?

abouzaid: please, what is the official teaching of the catholic church concerning gay activities? Is there any church in the world that oppose gay rights as much as the catholic church? The churches that officially accept gay rights, are they not protestants? The pope said and i quote "to have the tendency is not the problem... If you have the tendency but have goodwill and seek the face of God, who am i to condemn them? The church and society should accept and help them.but the problem is the lobby, when u have the tendency and lobby it (as a right), that is where the problem is" those were his exact words so how is that against the teachings of christ? Did christ condemn any sinner during his time on earth? Did he not eat and drank with them while the holier than thou jews condemn them? I have used myself as an example and yet no one have been able to give the answers i seek showing that within us, we know the truths but prefer to be blinded by our hatred.

y waste ur intellect on dat dunce... doz r d kind of catholics who fall prey to protestant apologetics.. he is defficient of knowledge . his statement with regards to the current media misinterpretation speaks it all...he's a hollowed brain!

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datChelseaBoy: [b]I love this Pope so much because of the way he thinks, though I'm not a Catholic. He has this humility and wisdom that makes him stand out among other world leaders and former Popes. That was why he was able to attract a world record crowd of over three million in Brazil last Sunday. I support what he said. Though he clearly disapproves of homosexuality in its entirety, he believes that homosexuals who are truly repentant and remorseful should be allowed to seek the face of God in the Church. Even Jesus himself forgave an adultress and a condemned robber during his lifetime. The Church (and the society at large) should not reject or condemn such people instead it should welcome them with open arms and show them love and kindness. Afterall they were not the ones that chose to be gay, they were born into it.


Once again let me repeat, for the sake of those who find it difficult to understand even the simplest of things and those who like to make mountains out of anthills, the POPE DOES NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE OR HOMOSEXUALITY. ALL HE IS SAYING IS THAT THE SOCIETY SHOULD NOT REJECT THEM. HE IS SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE SOCIETY AND OFFERED HELP [/b]

ur the only evangelical/protestant/pentecostal who is with a brain on nairaland,....others r just fire branded dummies...cajoled and programmed to financially help a pastor earn a living. (God bless ur mind 4bn open)

[quote author=p'scott]I don't blame the pope because truly he can't judge them due to the fact the he ain't God bt where i quote him wrong was when he said''once they seek the face of God almighty and do his good will''[/quote]pls read:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays

as if i knew...nairaland would have made dis front page...pls people open this link. the pope didnt say gayism is ok...he meant those sufferin from SSA(same sex attraction) shudnt b condemned dat doesnt mean the act is thumbed up by the church.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays

'gibberish' is too fine tuned... 'jargons' is more like it...

JUST SAW THIS ON FB n THOUGHT I SHOULD SHARE.


Should Catholics Go to Non-Denominational Bible Studies?

Every day, Catholics are invited by coworkers, neighbors, and even family members to "ecumenical" Bible studies. Should they go? Certainly all of us would benefit from more study of Scripture, but as someone who has been a part of a number of Protestant Bible studies—I’ve even taught them—I discourage Catholics from attending them because of the foundational premises and principles in operation at these studies.

Protestants are delighted to have Catholics attend their Bible studies, but it is often not because they want to hear and discuss the Catholic perspective on Scritpure. Instead, they see it as an opportunity to bring them to the "true Gospel"—to evangelize them, to get them saved. In many cases, though certainly not all, the non-denominational Bible study is the Trojan Horse that infiltrates the Catholic’s mind and succeeds in drawing him away from the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church—to join a Protestant group. Most of us have a family member or friend who has been affected in this way.

An unwary Catholic who steps into the Protestant Bible study usually does so with no intention of leaving the Catholic Church. They just want to study the Bible. The Catholic usually has a hard time finding a good and welcoming Bible study in Catholic circles—but this is changing.

First, while the Bible study may call itself "non-denominational," Catholics and Orthodox are not usually included under this umbrella. While they may be invited, you’ll rarely find them in leadership.

Protestants think of themselves as people of the Book, not hampered by human tradition. They think of Catholics as, at best, followers of traditions for whom the Bible is secondary. That is a huge misconception: Protestants are also people of tradition. No one reads the Bible objectively. People who claim to "just read the Bible" really read it through the eyes of a tradition they’ve already accepted, whether that be Fundamentalist, Calvinist, Pentecostal, Baptist or one of many others. Everyone depends upon tradition, but not everyone recognizes it.

"Bible Christians," based on their tradition, study the Bible with these premises:

There is no binding authority but the Bible alone.
There is no official binding interpretation or interpreter.
The Bible is perspicuous (i.e., easy to understand) and can be interpreted and understood by anyone.
An individual can and should read the Bible and interpret it for himself.

Catholics, based on their Tradition, study the Bible with different premises:

The authority of the apostles and the Church preceded the Bible, and the Tradition of the Church is an equally infallible authority (2 Thess. 2:15; CCC 80–83). The Bible is part of the apostolic Tradition.
The authoritative interpretation of the Bible is the prerogative of the Catholic Church (1 Tim. 3:15; Matt. 18:17; CCC 85-88).
The Bible is not always easy to understand (2 Pet. 3:15-16) and needs to be understood within its historical and contextual framework and interpreted within the community to which it belongs.
Individuals can and should read the Bible and interpret it for themselves—but within the framework of the Church’s authoritative teaching and not based on their own private interpretation (2 Pet 1:20-21).

These basic differences place the Catholic and Protestant worlds apart even though they are opening the pages of the same book and accepting it as an authoritative revelation from God. The Catholic position is biblical and has been espoused from the first days of the Church. The Protestant position is unbiblical and is of recent origin. The Catholic is in full continuity with historical Christianity; Protestants are in discontinuity.

Catholics attending a non-denominational Bible study need to be aware of these differences and be ready not only to filter out false conclusions but also to guard themselves against the false underlying assumptions (e.g., that everything has to be found and proven explicitly in the Bible).

Catholics who are unaware often begin to adopt a Protestant mentality without knowing they are doing so, gradually learning to suspect the Catholic Church and trying to prove everything from the Bible.

Let’s Take Just One Example: Baptism

But what difference do these premises make? Let’s take the example of 1 Peter 3:18-21:

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Notice the words in italics. What does it say? To Catholics it makes perfect sense because Christians have always taught (until the Reformation) that baptism is essential for salvation. As Catholics, we can draw from a wealth of other biblical and patristic passages that consistently and continuously teach a seamless garment of doctrine—the constant teaching of the Church, of all Christians.

A few examples:

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

This has always been understood to mean water baptism, until descendants of the Reformation denied it and came up with new interpretations, such as that the water refers to the water in the womb, the word of God, or even a synonym for the Spirit (as in "water, even the Spirit". There is no consensus among Protestants.

Other examples are Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16. The first says, "And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’"

The second one says, "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name."

These verses agree with the words of Jesus, Titus 3:5, and the rest of the New Testament about the necessity and importance of baptism. But many Evangelicals will offer in reply a list of verses that say salvation is by faith (e.g., John 3:16) and argue that since he can find twenty-five verses that say salvation is by faith, it can’t be by baptism.

Can we cut two verses out of the Bible because we find ten others that seem to contradict? Heavens, no! We have to find a way to explain and accept both and harmonize them into a cogent theology. That is what Catholics have been doing well for two millenia.

One of the great reliefs for me as a Catholic was to read the Bible without having to set aside verses that didn’t agree with my preconceived assumptions. Catholics do not have this problem.

A Figure of a Figure? Go Figure.

Now, back to 1 Peter 3:18-21. Protestant commentaries on Scripture admit it is one of the most difficult passages of the Bible to interpret. Here is a quote from my book Crossing the Tiber:

In his recent anti-Catholic book The Gospel according to Rome, James McCarthy says that "when Peter says that ‘baptism now saves you,’ he is speaking of the typological, or symbolic, significance of baptism. . . . It [the word figure] tells us that what follows, ‘baptism now saves you,’ is a figurative illustration that complements the symbolism of a preceding figure" (331-332). It seems he is saying that baptism is a figure of a figure instead of the fulfillment of a figure. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature offers a different and more straightforward interpretation: "Baptism, which is a fulfillment (of the type), now saves you, i.e., the saving of Noah from the flood is a . . . ‘foreshadowing’ and baptism corresponds to it [fulfills it]" (75). McCarthy does go on to say: "This verse is part of one of the most difficult passages in the New Testament to interpret. Nevertheless, this much is clear: it does not support the Roman Catholic doctrine" (331-332). (Crossing the Tiber, p. 130, note 56)

The Catholic interpretation explains the passage quite comfortably without twisting the text from its clear meaning, accepting the literal meaning of the text, and complementing the rest of New Testament teaching. It is difficult for McCarthy to interpret because he comes to the passage with a handicap: his Fundamentalist preconceptions.

Catholics: Seen but Not Heard

Baptism is just one example, and we have only scratched the surface. Other examples of passages that are difficult for Evangelicals—and where unwary Catholics attending a non-denominational Bible study can be misled—are John 20:23, Colossians 1:24, James 2:24, Matthew 16:18-19, and John 5:28-29.

Catholics often find non-denominational Bible studies appealing because of the warm, serious, loving, and family-like environment. Being used to reverence and quiet devotion, Catholics find the welcoming and chatty nature of these gatherings refreshing and new. But there is such a thing as an ecumenical Bible study that doesn’t allow knowledgeable Catholics to participate in leadership or where the Catholic perspective is not equally presented and discussed with respect. In a truly ecumenical Bible study, the Catholic interpretation and teaching is not treated as substandard or heretical.

Also, the Catholic Church is not a "denomination" (which means "to take a new name"; it is the Church. Those who are in schism, who break away or subsist apart from it are denominations or sects. The Church is not. It is the Church.

There’s still a long way to go to get Catholics to the point of scriptural study that Protestants have achieved. But it is happening, and you can help. For more information, see my article "Starting a Parish Bible Study" at www.catholicconvert.com.

-Catholic Answers-

Obiagelli pls how can i start a thread on Nairaland...i have so many things i wanna share wif d world, but This NL isnt jus userfriendly @ all...i hav bn here sine Feb yet i dun even still knw how to post a topic n anytime i try to find out here, no 1 reponds...too bad.

princesammmy: don't quote out of context. it was refering to fault one to another not sin against God.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

define a fault 1st, then go check other versions or translations. NARROW MINDED PRINCESAMMY

[quote author=Tolexander]clap for yourself!

Afam4eva: Is the Catholic faith independent of what is in the bible?

no the bible is a product of the church n the church is a product of Jesus. NOt vice versa!

chudidonas: The Roman Catholic Church gradually Master-minding the 'take over' of earth by Anti christ..Dear Lord, May I be among the rapturable ones. Amen

n Dear Lord Replies; "sorry Mr ur name wasnt found on my list, because wen i was thirsty u gave all ur money to a financial corporation called church n its CEO called G.O. U neva helped that bike man by d side of ur house.(d@ was me!)" 2.U condemned my church i instituted on the 23rd of July 2013 on nairaland. 3.U neva believed me when i said "dis is my body...do it in memory of me, rather u consume agege bread n bacchus wine in merriment n 4 pleasure....
An endless list of ur sins my son...depart 4rm me! I knw thou not.

naijaboyof4life: Christians was a derogatory word used for people who were preaching the gospel. The right word is believers in Christ and they were not Catholics.

this is a dull ass. Deficient in history. The church is 2000yrs old. Check ur history n c the list of popes 4rm Peter to Francis. Dullinus!...# i knw ur next statement will b "show me were Francis is in d bible". This pentecostals can b so narrow-minded! Pls u too show me where Nigeria is in d bible or where America is in d bible.

perfectsoft: John 20:23 was not written for the pope. If you want to take it literarily, then every christian has the power to forgive sins, not just the pope. And the pope is not a high priest. There is no high priest in the new testament apart from Jesus. In the new testatment, every christian is a priest. Church leaders are not addressed as priests but as pastors or shepherds. The whole concept of the pope is wrong from its foundation and only seeks to establish a religion where one man controls the lives of people with the false doctrine that he represents God on earth. God does not need anyone to represent him on earth. Even some pentecostal church preachers are now following this wrong trend and false christianity. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. No one can replace him

1 man controls huh?.... @ least its better dan ur financial captivity undeR Pastors; Kumuyi,Oritsejafoe, Chris, TB n odas...go n pay ur private Jet/Pv8 cruise dues jare.

Afam4eva: You're permitted.

@topic
Why can't people pray to God direct.

y dont u pay ur tithe for Pastor's pv8 Jet direct to God?

oyb: [note that robots are not for bomb detection, but detonation/disposal - channels falling hand]

http://home.roadrunner.com/~etcetera/emergency/agencies/police/lasd_bomb_squad_robot.html


[img]http://home.roadrunner.com/~etcetera/emergency/agencies/police/images/lasd_bomb_robot.jpg[/img]

dnt mind CHANNELS if na to fall "oga @ d top hand" now, them go take 1st

OK maybe true, but that pic isnt the nigerian robot....so where is our own pic abeg

may God,s will be done on our employment search so that his son Jesus may be glorified.may the conquering power of his Resurrection invigorate our faith by granting us this job/// we ask this through our lord Jesus Christ in union with all Angels and saints in Paradise. St Pio and St. Anthony of Padua esp. Amen

1.Adams Oshiomole( The fearer of no mortal being. The only man who can take a stand and follow it through to success. A passionate Nigerian with great and charismatic followership-the Mandela and Ghandi of modern day 9jeria.)

2.Dora Akunyili(though she messed up in her senatorial elections-buh her Nafdac achievement will ever be unequaled, she served Nigeria wif her life)

3.My self in advance , cos of my great love for Nigeria...

4. My Child (yet to be born) who is going to be the only president Nigeria ever had. He/she is to be trained on Patriotism, Nation building and Nation advancement, through pervasive industrialization driven by local content and self-sustainability. He/she'll begin the long awaited emancipation of Black Africa. N will put Nigeria on the global map.

5. _ _ _ vacant space.

Temptee101: Our pastor's wifey wz eyein mi so i left. Now in a new church, d pastor himself dey eye mi

omg! 9jerians! Choi u guys wanna ki me wit laff

eastman11: I was born Catholic but due to change of location I started attending a nearby pentico but had to run back to Catholic when they could not give me a breathing space, coming to my house and office and expecting me to hand over all my monthly salary to them became unbearable and l had to apply Ben Johnson.

dis guy ur a clown. Which 1 b penitico again. So we now na "cathico?"...lwkmd

eastman11: I was born Catholic but due to change of location I started attending a nearby pentico but had to run back to Catholic when they could not give me a breathing space, coming to my house and office and expecting me to hand over all my monthly salary to them became unbearable and l had to apply Ben Johnson.

dis guy ur a clown. Which 1 b penitico again. So we now na "cathico?"...lwkmd

Well, 1 reason i left winners n came back to the church is d@ i got fed up of my pastor tellin me financial prosperity n all that capitalist laddened sermons. I was tired of acquiring finance for mysef n d pastor alone while my neighbors next door cudnt afford a meal. I mean i wasnt bn told how to love, how to be moral, how to serve God by fighting sin, all i heard evry sunday was how i was gon reciev an envelope of maney or a car in profesies...lol. Well, i jus cudnt keep living in a lie. So i parked my things after 10yrs and went back to confession. N i felt d weight lifted. I am now living good again as catholic with all attendant blessings accruable 4rm the spirit of God. God bless u all