Only-Rebel:
^^
Evolutionists are ever known with propaganda. Finding every way to make cheap points. This has been your lot since last century. Evolutionism remains a fallacy, that is the truth of the matter. What cheap points are you making here? All I have written about have been my thought since the day I learnt that concepts of biology is built on this generational lie (Evolution).

Do you think for a moment that you're fooling anyone? Your lies have been exposed already

logicboy:

List of lies in this creationist babble

-Darwin was an atheist. False. (Darwin was an agnostic)
-Evolution has been proven to be False. False. (Creationism has been debunked, evolution has proof; fossils, current evolution and dna)
-Science has proven that God has created all things. False. (There has never been a physical proof of God)

Mr_Anony:
Are you talking about the analogy presented or are you talking about a generic game of cards somewhere else?

A general card game

Mr_Anony:
Wow, I marvel at how you reason. I have not yet fitted creationism anywhere, I was so far just pointing out how the analogy doesn't accurately describe evolution but your bias took the better of you.

You are using creationists talking points against evolution eg total randomness

Mr_Anony:
Understand me, The analogy implies that evolution can come about entirely by randomness. I disagree. If something is tied to survival according to you, How then can you call it random?

I agree

We are both saying the same thing, the analogy of cards presented here is a very weak analogy. Evolution is guided. Besides there is no such thing as "completely random or incompletely random" it is either it is ordered or it is random.

Too bad. Anyway we've moved past it now

A game of cards is both random and calculated. The shuffling of cards makes it random but you have to know how to add numbers to win the game.

Use your brain. Stop trying to fit creationism into common sense

buzugee: I used to. not till i found out it was a sin

hahaha, mad man.

Legalize the ganja!

buzugee: you dayum right we aint finna read all that epistle. what you think we is ? legal secretarys ? LOL

Buzugee, do you smoke weed?

Only-Rebel:
This false theory about evolution proposed about 150 years ago by a man named Charles Darwin believed that all living things came into being by chance. Throughout his life, Darwin wrote books to make people believe this; and evolutionists are still trying to deceive others even today. But today’s science has proven that God has created all living things. In spite of this, evolutionists still defend what has been shown to be a lie. All these started when Darwin was young, he went on a boat trip. On this voyage, he thought he would find the answers to some questions about living things. While wandering across the islands, Darwin came across some interesting-looking birds with very attractive colors. After a long trip, Darwin returned to England and continued thinking about the creatures he had seen and how they came into existence. In the years that followed, Darwin continued his work. But the scientific instruments of his day were too primitive to let him examine the inner workings of cells. So, he made several errors. With his primitive scientific instruments, Darwin couldn’t see that cells were composed of several structures, which he could perceive only as spots. But caught up in this wrong idea, Darwin still had many questions to answer. Even though Darwin’s idea was erroneous, he thought it was true and proposed the theory of evolution. According to his idea, living creatures developed by chance from inanimate matter. First of all, an imaginary first cell inexplicably came into being, and then all living creatures supposedly evolved from this one cell. Darwin’s being an atheist exerted a great influence on his thinking. With this theory, he would advance a series of ideas that would give strong support to atheism. Darwin explained his ideas in a book, The Origin of Species, published in 1859.

List of lies in this creationist babble

-Darwin was an atheist. False. (Darwin was an agnostic)
-Evolution has been proven to be False. False. (Creationism has been debunked, evolution has proof; fossils, current evolution and dna)
-Science has proven that God has created all things. False. (There has never been a physical proof of God)

Ileke-IdI:


This is one scary Jesus!! Looks like a Korean boxer or Chinese Samurai.

hahaha!

logicboy: White man's Jesus




Korean man's Jesus




Indian man's Jesus





Black African's Jesus




Can anyone see the problem?

Can anyone see the problem?

Mr_Anony:
I'll give you that. but notice that if evolution is not progressive, then it means that a species can also evolve into a less complex species i.e mammals can also evolve back into reptiles given enough time.

Adaptation, natural selection. Evolution is tied to survival no matter how random it is.What is complex? A mammal that lays eggs or not?

Mr_Anony:
Dawkins argues that the gene would try to propagate itself and it's kind, The analogy implies complete randomness

Not complete randomness. Survival of the fittest. The gene would propagate itself in the best host.

Mr_Anony:
You miss my point here. My point is If the analogy is true i.e. mutation is completely random, then evolved species shouldn't branch of so distinctly rather we should witness in the present day a much smoother blends across families.

You should try to understand the terms you are using. There are spontaneous and induced mutations. Evolution is not completely random. This is one of the basic misconception about evolution.

Mr_Anony:
Read it again

It makes sense not

Logic Mind:

Are the studios paying you to promote their movie?

Hollywood brainwashing is for the feeble minded. A friend of mine after seeing "The Book of Eli" told me that his fai

th has been renewed and he now understands what he didn't understand before.

There a many fictions and possibility conjectures about our origins. What I always say is that I don't know but I know bullshyte when I see bullshyte and the bible is full of it.

Nah, it's just a movie that touched me.

You talk as if hollywood hasnt touched almost everyone that has a tv. At least a quarter of what you know about America is from hollywood movies.

The movie is clearly fiction. It is the questions or philosphical undertones that inspired me. Just like the matrix. Were you not inspired by the matrix?




The movie has been out for over a week now. If I were paid to promote this movie, I would have started a week ago

Logic Mind: anybody that gives his hard earned money to pastors deserve all the poverty coming his way.

Yes and no.


How is an illiterate shoemaker going to know any better. Some people are only ignorant because of education and environment. These people deserve help and pity


Some like, many here on Nairaland are educated and willfully ignorant. These people deserve condemnation and to be poor

Mr_Anony: Good read I must say, nice analogy of the cards. It explains how evolution might be true as a result of randomness however this analogy has some flaws because it would be saying that
1. There should be backward evolution as well since the random cards can move in many different directions
2. Dawkins argument for a selfish gene would wouldn't work here since the gene has to have some kind of intelligence* to progressively evolve
3. There should be evidence of transitional species or 'missing links' especially living in the present day
4. If mutations are as random as they are claimed then organisms would have some needless mutations alongside those suited for their environment. For instance, Negroes live in warmer climate hence more melanin in their skin so we are black. A Caucasian on the other hand lives in a colder climate doesn't need as much melanin hence he is white. I the card analogy is true then, there should have been indigenous Negroes in Europe randomly evolving dark skin since it is not harmful to their survival anyway.

My point is this: Evolution is not unguided

1) Humans dont need their wisdom teeth and are stopping to grow them. A bit backwards dont you think?

2) Sorry, I dont know the context

3) "Missing link" is a colloquial term. The fact that you use it shows that you are lacking basic knowledge in evolution.
There are numerous transitional fossils that have been discovered. There arent any "transitional" animals alive for the same reason your human ancestors are not alive. They are our ancestors who where steadily changing into us.

"Missing link" is still a popular term, well recognized by the public and often used in the popular media. It is, however, avoided in the scientific press, as it relates to the concept of the great chain of being and to the notion of simple organisms being primitive versions of complex ones, both of which have been discarded in biology.[59] In any case, the term itself is misleading, as any known transitional fossil, like Java Man, is no longer missing. While each find will give rise to new gaps in the evolutionary story on each side, the discovery of more and more transitional fossils continues to add to our knowledge of evolutionary transitions.[4][60]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil#Missing_links

4) Huh?

ijawkid:

Which smack down

Leave that england come 9ja come stay so that we go know who rili be slave........lol

I will come to Naija.

Mr_Anony:

Don't worry, just seek

Watch the movie

Mr_Anony: Hmm logicboy, it took a movie to convince you of the possibility of God........ Seek and you shall find.........God's grace

Go and watch the movie. God is always a possibility just like the boogeyman. 0.00000001%

musKeeto: If it shifts atheists towards agnosticism, can it shift atheists to believers? :-)

Ill check it out... nice summary btw...

Nah, it wont move atheists to believe in God. I'm still an atheist.


Every atheist is an agnostic in a sense that you cant disprove God's existence in the same way you cant disprove the boogeyman 100%

Martian:

Wow!! I haven't seen hollywood get anybody this excited since Deepsight got some spiritual enlightenment from Avatar. Now, dear LogicBoy sees another hollywood epic and is now leaning towards the agnostic side. Calm down, it's just great CGI, the bible, erich von daniken and some hollywood screenwriters.

If you grew up in the 1970s, you may have a dim memory of “Chariots of the Gods,” an international best seller by Erich von Däniken full of dubious speculation about extraterrestrial influences on ancient earthling civilizations. The book, a kind of space age “Da Vinci Code,” inspired a goofy German documentary and, if memory serves, some earnest, anxious debates among sixth-grade protogeeks who shall remain nameless.
http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/06/08/movies/prometheus-by-ridley-scott-with-noomi-rapace.html

Mr Von Daniken was one of the subjects of an interesting discussion a few months ago. Don't get too excited.

Ah, Martian the critic.

Have you seen the movie?

buzugee: nice pugilist bout Ijawkid and Locoboy

scripture says 1 CORINTHIANS 1 VS 22 Jews ask for miraculous signs, and Greeks look for wisdom,

pugilist bout? This was a smackdown! Ijawkid got destroyed.

ijawkid:

I just told u what I knw JesÙs skÍn color shuld look like...
And why it doÉsnt matter to me....

I aint no slave.......

Come back to 9ja and be a nigerian and stop staying abroad worshipping d whites........

Ur d slave...lol

And what if I am both British and Nigerian? Ode

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If you haven't seen the movie "Prometheus", you better see it! It has deep philosophical and religious undertones. Go to your local cinema right now

This movie has shifted me towards the agnostic side (sorry, Logic Mind). I'm still an atheist but agnostic in the sense that unicellular organisms or other life forms that made our evolution possible could be our "gods". They might not be omnipotent (why are many extinct?) but they have a part in our evolution or creation.

The movie is about man's search into space with a belief that one could meet his/her creator to find the answers to unanswerable questions about man's origin. The setting of the movie is in space and on an earth-like planet in another galaxy. The scenery alone in the movie is magnificent with waterfalls, monolithic spaceships and blizzards.

I will not go further into specifics of the movie not to ruin it for people who haven seen it but I will give 4 perspectives of the movie.


The Christian perspective;

"How many are your works, O Lord! In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures. There is the sea, vast and spacious, teeming with creatures beyond number-living things both large and small." (Psalm 104:24-25)

God is the creator. While experiencing the beauty of the new planet and its weather in the movie, one has to stop and think about the sheer power, time and wisdom that would have been necessary to create it all. If there is an entity behind it, it has to be God;

the warm glow of the sun,
the calm flow of the clouds,
the serenity of the blue sky,
the diversity in living things,
who shall doubt your omnipotence, king of kings?

[img]http://3.bp..com/-FlWA9kk44sY/Th9pnhKw0EI/AAAAAAAAAA0/EvtM3i_UCmo/s1600/creator.png[/img]


The Muslim perspective;






"God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth." (39:62, 63)

In the movie, we see man searching for knowledge. Allah advises us to search for knowledge and through Him does all knowledge come forth. The end of the movie led to more questions. Only Allah can answer all questions for He is the all knowing; العليم (Al-ʿAlīm) the all knowing, the omniscient.

Furthermore, there are 99 names for Allah. Some of them are
- الخالق Al-Khāliq The Creator
- البارئ Al-Bāriʾ The Evolver, The Fashioner, The Designer
- المصور Al-Muṣawwir The Fashioner of Forms





The atheistic/agnostic perspective;

One does not have to appeal to God to set the initial conditions for the creation of the universe, but if one does He would have to act through the laws of physics. [Stephen Hawking]


In the movie, man searches for his origins. Man maketh his destiny and man is his own God. Who wrote the religious books? Man. Who studies science? Man. Who makes discoveries? Man. Who enforces laws on earth? Man. Who preaches these laws? Man.



Furthermore, in the movie, they used spaceships and computers to travel. This is science made and used by man to find his origin. Furthermore, the movie suggests that other living life-forms made human beings. This is not exactly contrary to evolution, scientists know that life comes from life. Human beings evolved from other life forms.

"Geology shows that fossils are of different ages. Paleontology shows a fossil sequence, the list of species represented changes through time. Taxonomy shows biological relationships among species. Evolution is the explanation that threads it all together. Creationism is the practice of squeeezing one's eyes shut and wailing "does not!."

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Greek Pagan perspective;

The movie was aptly titled "Prometheus". Prometheus in Greek mythology represents man's curiousity and quest for knowledge.

Prometheus (Greek: Προμηθεύς) is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who in Greek mythology is credited with the creation of man from clay and the theft of fire for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus

Ptolomeus: I would like yes! ...
I would tell Jesus all the crap that Christians and Islamic people speak it.
The profit that pastors do with tithing thieves ...
Yes, I would ...
And see how the poor man cries, lowering his head, and decides to commit suicide ...

jajaja


Agreed!

cyrexx: I will prefer use the time machine to fast forward into that future in human history where everybody's eyes will be opened to have seen religion for what it truly is - a deceptive tool of tyranny and control to provide a false hope for the deluded. That is the world i want to live in.

That future doesnt exist without totally debunking religion in the first place.

drzed:

Come on, my brother, what stops you from creating a thread for ...whatever religion you subscribe to?
Dont blame people because they are different from you or they are doing their own thing. If you were prevented from practising (and/or opening a thread for) your faith... then you have good grounds to complain.

Otherwise, please dont call people 'mean' or 'stvpid' simply because they are practising what they believe. Unless that is what your faith/religion teaches you to call others, which I doubt.

Do your own thing. Please.

Cheers.

Tell me, do you promote christianity with this selfish and isolationist attitude? Was the good Samaritan a Jew? Did he not help a person from a different religion? Why can you not put up a thread consoling people from every religion.

Shoukldnt you pray for everyone that died in the crash? This isolationism is just silly

olasesi:


2:49

And [recall] when We saved your forefathers from the people of Pharaoh, who afflicted you with the worst torment, slaughtering your [newborn] sons and keeping your females alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord.
2:50

And [recall] when We parted the sea for you and saved you and drowned the people of Pharaoh while you were looking on.

The Koran now remixes stories? Wasnt it God that killed the first born of Egyptians according to the Old Testament? Also remember when Muhammad conquered other people, he left the females alive too. "what your right hand posseses" ma malakat aymanukum

Furthermore, why did you ignore the other verse;

[/quote]
Quran loves murder

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) t[b]hen take them and kill them wherever ye find them,[/b] and choose no friend nor helper from among them,[/quote]

olasesi:

islam is a religion of justice and we are not shy to say this.....
pharaoh was a tyrant who inflicted torment on the people as u can read from the verses above.......so do u think annihilating him an his host is "murder"?

if he and his generations had continued with their acts of slaughter till this moment would u av been born?

When did I become a descendant of Isreal? Are you a slave or something? What do you men that I wouldnt have been born if Pharoah was given freewill?

olasesi:

islam is not a religion who sees the enemy of the people and goes on to pat them on their back..........however judgement will only be passed on those who committed the crime and not on their innocent wives or children ............

.......ones again it bothers me whether it is islam that people have problems with or its rule..........
MR LOGICMIND, in ur country, when someone kills and he is executed by the law because of his crime, do u say the law committed murder.....
of course not, the law DID JUSTICE.........

Islam is a religion of jungle justice. Surah 4;89 puts unbelievers as enemies. Is that not wrong? You will claim that Islam is only against enemies of Islam but when you realise that America can do and does the same and say that they only torture "terrorist enemies of America" when they just torture muslims.

America- who is a terrorist? Bigoted American answer- a muslim

Quran- who is an enemy? Bigoted muslim answer- a non-muslim

You are as corrupt as the infidel west you dislike.


Tell me, if Islam is a religion of justice, why is slavery not Haraam in islam or the Quran? Why were all the major muslim/sharia countries behind the West in abolishing slavery? The west abolished slavery in 19th century. Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc did it in the 20th century

olasesi:

SO the killing of the enemies of the people and his prophets who had earlier went on a mass murder of new born sons should not be considered MURDEROUS.......

.............one the few beauties of ISLAM............PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS.........YOU KILL AND YOU ARE KILLED.........

Why would a slave master murder the sons of his slaves when the sons could work for him?

The orginal story puts God as the executioner of Egyptian first borns as one of the plagues.


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Rubbish.

What is with modern christians and numerical conspiracy?

ijawkid:

I'm nt a slave but a free man.....

U are d slave that is always worried about peoples skin color......

all d blacks who frown @ Jesus been depicted as not black are all racist......

Because that shuldnt be a problem in d 1st place........

That's my point.......

If Jesus's lineage was not made up of black persons how and why shuld he end up with ur skin color(black)..

Was mary and joseph black........


Was david,d line age thru which Jesus came a black or white race?

Are d Jews today blacks?

If ur brain is not filled with bias why worry that Jesus shuld be black??


I don't give a damn if the reverse won't happen in europe...........

U and d europeans are all bloody racist obsessed about d color of a man rather than who he really was and his teachings...
.....

If Jesus was/is portrayed as black as charcoal would u still believe in Him or wuld it change who Jesus is? ??

You are d racist!!!!!!!!!

To me Jesus was caucasian.......

Mixed......

Not purely black not purely white..........

None of us here can be sure of d color of Jesus.......we never saw him.......

So it'll be foolish to so much deliberate on that issue or worry about it.....

You insisting he's black and shuld be painted black ,your not sure of it....

The whites painting him white aint sure too if he was white........

U both are racists..................

I am in d middle.....

Jesus is mixed......

1)Where did I say that Jesus is black? I am stating that Jesus should be fairly represented. If Koreans paint Jesus as Korean and Indians paint Jesus as Indian, why do blacks paint Jesus as white? Is there not an inherent problem

2) You claim that Jesus is caucasian. That is a lie because nobody knows what Jesus looked like, he could have looked Arab, Black or Jewish. Nobody knows. I only say he should be painted in every race


This is how I know that you're a slave;

all d blacks who frown @ Jesus been depicted as not black are all racist......

So when a Korean man frowns at a white Jesus and paints Jesus as Korean, it is not racist? It is only racist when your fellow blacks do it? Because, the white man frowns at Jesus looking Arab and paints him white.

It is only racist when your fellow blacks do it? Ijawkid, you're a slave.

hypocrite. As if the Koran is not sexist.


When non-muslims go to your islamic section to post similar things we get banned. Shut up

ijawkid:

Oboy this post isn't for you...

As u can see this question is for those who claim they wanna go to heaven.....

If you are crazy about heaven, go and fly Dana airways. Leave normal people alone

Tinyemeka:

Go and read up the process of cloning. Perhaps what you unwittingly have in mind is In Vitro fertilization.

As for the OP's question, I believe the answer is yes. A clone is an "offspring" of a living human cell. Much the same way as the embryo (and by extension the baby or human) being a product of a s.perm cell and ovum. So clones also have souls.

Fool. Did you not see where I corrected myslef? Are you interested in cheap points?

Also for your information there is more than one way to clone human beings, one needing sperm

logicboy:


Kai, I stand corrected! As usual, you're always epic!

I knew only on process of cloning and not the one you mentioned.

Dolly the sheep was cloned from a cell of her meother and an embro of another. Your method is called Somatic cell nuclear transfer!

ijawkid:

Why shuld u feel inferior because Jesus was not painted black by africans or nigerians or becos he is painted white or as an arabian in an african nation?

It don't bother me which color Jesus was....

I don't care if he was green.....

Its only a racist like u who will worry about his color...

That's my point........


Now ur d 1 feeling inferior because jesus was painted white,not me or many other christians................

Ur the racist here...........

So if we paint Jesus as black as a charcoal how does that change anything?

Would that make u love him??

I know! Your ignorance is bliss!

The following things dont bother you;

-Christianity supported the slavery of your forefathers
-The catholics compiled the bible you use and you sound foolish when you claim that they are fake christians
-Jesus was racist towards the Canaanite woman. If a doctor did exactly the same to you, you wouldnt find it funny.



Only a slave like you wouldnt see the problem of Jesus being painted white in a country that is predominatly black.

-you're too ignorant to realise that if Jesus existed, there was little chance that he was white
-you're too ignorant to realise that the reverse would never happen in Europe
-you're too ignorant to realise that I am not the first black person to raise the issue of Jesus skin colour.
-you're too ignorant to realise that even whites complain about Jesus's representation as white

Logic Mind:

did she now?

Anyway maclatunji is a vile useless individual that defends his powerless god with a ban button. How pathetic.

She sha said that you were abusive, although she hid the thread.

Anyway, whoever banned me has problems. The person lacks courtesy. Fake azz muslim