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Obi1kenobi: What does my moniker have to do with maturity? It also has nothing to do with Star Wars (which I never even liked or followed) and any allusions to it are purely coincidental. You post like an excitable child, hopping around here picking pointless "debates". And several of your comments follow a syllogic pattern that suggests an [b]illusion of superiority [/b]due to your beliefs.

Hehehe.....so it has resulted to big grammar now! See me see trouble!


There is only on Obi wan Kenobi and he is in star wars. It is only ignorance that would make you claim that your username has nothing to do with Star Wars.


Dont you feel like a hypocrite? You claim that I act like I am superior, then you keep telling me that I am childish (twice)?

Avicenna: Hmmmmm
Looks good but there is nothing like a liberal interpretation of the Quran. You either ignore practising a surah that says something you don't agree with(kill infidels) or practise it. Simple. Unlike the bible, interpretations of the quran is constant.
So, if a professed alfa quotes a ayah, you possibly cannot dispute it. Unless you can prove it is not from the Quran or hadith. Even more, you cannot know everything, it is arabic. The english version is all mangled up. They will teach you some arabic but it won't be enough for proper translation.
Once the driver says some rubbish arabic you don't know, he's assumed to be well grounded in islamic theology. Debating him will expose your limited knowledge in arabic( not islam or quran) which makes you look like fool. The passengers were ill-educated or not educated at all, so logical proofs is not enough because they simply cannot follow the logic.
Trust me, man, there is no common sense you can apply that they are not supposed to know already. They just willfully ignore it.
I want something. I want a effective method of injecting doubts in those people without any backlash for me.

Then you have to ask questions. That is how I broke my atheism to my uncle who is a borderline extremist for christianity. You ask questions that make them to negate themselves or the bible/koran

Atheist; Do you believe that God knows everything and controls it all?
Christian/Muslim; Yes
Atheist; Is it God's will that you are alive and well?
Christian/muslim; Yes
Atheist; Is it not then God's will that others are suffering from AIDs and Cancer or starvation? Or God's will that people died in Dana c
Christian/Muslim; .....EH....No.....Never!!!
Atheist; But God wills everything or is it the devil/Djinn?

The conversation can go to 3 ways;

1) Yes, the devil---- You will counter by saying that they are calling sick and suffering people "hosts of the devil"
2) Erm.....err......I'm not sure- You have put some doubt here.
3) God gives man the freewill---You will counter here by saying "how is it freewill if God knows that a man is going to die by aids before he even gets aids?"



What do you think?

Obi1kenobi: What a childish article. Why are you always so concerned with who is "winning" like you're in some playground competition? I'm not even religious but I find it rather irksome, the way you go about your business on this forum. And you somehow live in the delusion that your status as an atheist confers some exclusive genius tag on you which puts you above any religious person. Act with a little regard and dignity.

Everytime I come on here, you're having some juvenile back-and-forth with someone talking about. " Destroying" or "smacking down" someone's argument. You can express your contrary views without being obnoxious.

Wow, you are so mature, arent you?

Is that your big boy user name? "Obi1kenobi"? No sir, you dont sound like a star wars freak.



Saracsm aside, arguing is fun for me. That is why I joke around. Destroying" and "smackdown" are just two terms I use for comedic effects. I have never said or implied that I am smarter than religious people. Never.


Save your self-righteous BS for someone who gives a S***

Logic Mind: I can confirm that he meant Lord Luggard.

Aye, Lord Frederick Lugard

Niflheim: @logic boy,do not mind her because she obviously has nothing to say,the atheists will always rule over the christians just like during the black death in europe,the pastors said that the world had come to an end but it was atheist scientists who saved the day!!!

That is a good question.

During the black death; preachers were claiming demons and evil for diseases. Why did they not claim the same when it was swine flu? See people rushing for vaccinations and flu drugs. Was it not science that changed their disease preaching?

Idehn: That definition is fine by me, though I am not sure if that is what Mr. Anony meant. He seemed be using virtual as a by word for not physical which makes no sense. He seemed to imply that "information" was something entirely separate from the state of the hardware(electrons in the transistors).

You are right; it depends on how you define virtual. A videogame character is virtual. The character is in virtual world. The world itself is not real but it is a physical represntation of codes and programming. It is physical.


What Anony was trying to ndo was decietfully say that it is virtual in the sense that there is real life and virtual reality is not real just like a spirit world

tiarabubu: you believe in God now, atheist?


Creflo lost it no doubt sha. BUt he was right to be mad at his daughter. She was definitely goin to be a danger to herself. if she is old enough to do as she pleases then she can leave her parents house. For her to call 911, i believe she was angry and there are underlying issues involved than she believing her father really wants to hurt her. In other words, daughter and father need to face the root cause of this. And importantly, people should give them space to sort themselves out

American kids, despite all the good stuff at their disposal, face tremendous pressure from a decadent system that thrives on freedom with too little control. A society must have a sense of morality defined by its culture and roots. America has no cultural roots - its a nation of immigrants; everyone doing their thing.

"Lord knows" is just an expression.


If you are from Nigeria, you have no right or moral ground to call the American society "decadent". How many 15 year old girls get buggered by old men in Nigeria without ever reaching the police? How many young girls get "Oyedepo-slapped"? What about the corruption? What about child labour in Nigeria?


I live in the West (UK). There are families that dont beat their children and yet the children turn out good. Many upperclass children are rigidly taught manners both at private schools and at home. I am not saying the UK is perfect (as there are many juvenile delinquents), what I am saying is that, it is the family that fully affects the child.

At 16, I was moving with friends that smoked weed. I never one day smoked because of my upbringing!

Idehn: What in the world are you talking about with "virtual reality"? It is not "virtually" stored. It is physically stored. What does it even mean to virtually store information? If information was not physical, then you could never access it physically. You are not making any sense.

The information is virtual. You can not exactly hold it and what you see on a computer screen is just a representation.

However, the information is PHYSICAL because
1) You can see it

2) Even if it is virtual, all that means is that it is all codes and programming which is physical

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Or perhaps we can't walk on stones because we've been wearing shoes so much that we don't need to adapt to a rough earth



Ok then if that is the case, then there would still be indigenous negroes in Europe even more so because according to the analogy a harmless mutation doesn't die it stays all the same.[/quote]I dont know. At this point, I am only guessing.

Avicenna: Logic, trust me, old men WILL be humiliated over that kind of sincerely held position. But if you are powerful, another game entirely. In this country, political power is easy to come by. I intend to live my life and leave something great behind. If I can acquire such greatness, I will make sure to shatter that useless religious ideologies. Wole Soyinka tried but I don't think there's much effect.
By the way, have you ever been in that kind of situation?

Not really. In my own situation, I lied that I was a christian so that I could bash christianity. I was arguing in a friends house at a gathering in Nigeria. I was already on the losing side because I was bashing the idea of God and the fake pastors.

It wasnt long before I was called a fake christian and a devil. However, I was saved by my lie. If I had said that I was an atheist at the beginning, it would have been the end.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Ok fine thanks for explaining to me, the point I was making however is that randomness and order a like light and dark. One there is a little light, the place can no longer be called dark but this doesn't bear so much on our discussion.

Now back to talking about evolution, the analogy of cards fails because every stage is a random number i.e. mutations are totally random and every mutation that doesn't help the species to survive results in the end of that species and hence the surviving species continue (survival of the fittest). If this is true, it would explain why people in a warm climate like Africa have dark skin since it helps guard against sun-burn so the theory could be that at one point people in Africa randomly evolved white and others black but black survived because it could adapt while white disappeared. But then on the flip side this should also be the same for Europe people should randomly evolve black and white since both can survive anyway, none of the two should be predominant. Hence we should have indigenous Negros in Europe as well. However this is not the case.(this was the point I made earlier that you didn't understand)

What we observe are species that adapt to their environment. This would suggest that mutations aren't mindlessly random but are specifically and consciously guided so that the organism fits in the environment. I.e. The gene wants to survive and evolves in such a way as to ensure that it does survive. Do you agree?[/quote]Consciously guided? Where did that idea come from? Most of our body parts are badly adapted to the environment even after millions of years of evolution. Most people can not walk on stones. I could because I grew up with a stony compound. Most of the earth isnt smooth. Try living barefoot in the forest.

Your black and white story is just babble. It is more plausible that the first humans in africa were dark and as they migrated to colder Europe or North America, they became lighter skinned.

Kay 17: Force used was too excessive. But every father will concerned about his child clubbing at 1 am!

What would even give me the balls to go clubbing at 15 years old? Lord knows that I wont eat or sleep in my father's house if I tried it, talkless of telling my dad and I'm a guy.

Creflo's daughter as a pastor's daughter should not have even entertained the thoughtof clubbing! The daughter was already spoilt. Creflo fails as a parent

Zi: See, you fight on default. You didn't even cool down to find out that I am a female. Did I use abusive words on you? Why can't you engage in a simple dialogue without going abusive? 'You like to argue' and therefore anbody who chooses not to is loosing?
I see how your logic works!

What abusive word did I use? "self-righteous"??

You called me an e-warrior as well.

Being female doesnt excuse you from a smackdown.


If you wanted a simple dialogue you should have started with questions or simple statements and not wild accusations of "e-warrior contests"

Beautymc: If u are not poor, u shuld mind ur own prosperity. Even God's wish is for us to prosper and be in health. U are just envious b'cos u are not in the shoe of the rich, if not u can't be here to say against people's prosperity. I advice u to pray to God for ur own time.

Ode, you have no idea how much I am worth and so, stop assuming.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Accepted



Actually I haven't you are telling me. However if you say something is pseudo- hen it means that it is not really what it is i.e "pseudorandom" means "not truly random."
I would ask you at this point to tell me exactly what semi-random sampling is (and please "google it" is a very lazy answer)[/quote]Semi-random sampling;

This is sampling by selecting sample members from a random starting point with a fixed interval.

If I pick every 50th person from a poulation of 6,000. Itis both random and calculated.

Zi: I now understand why you always come out here on NL to spew trash. The reason is that you have seen those religious threads and responses as a contest; who wins and who loses. So u could feel like an e-warrior! Yet, people like you are so scared of death not even to discuss it! Yes, my last NL thread.

My dear, life is not always about who wins or who does not. Besides, some of us see no reason why we should argue with people who have decided to believe what suits them. Argument does not make wrong right and vice versa. So we leave eternity to tell!

Mr Self Righteous!

Why dont you shut up and use your brain before acting all holy up in here! I do not see it as a contest. The internet always destroys religion. Always.

I dont know how you can read my mind. I wonder how you can conclude that I feel like an e-warrior. Nairaland religion section for me is just argument. I like to argue. Nothing more.

frosbel: Simply by time and location. Link below

http://abcnews.go.com/US/megachurch-pastor-creflo-dollar-arrested/comments?type=story&id=16526149#.T9JFxbBYvPo

Nonsense. Anyone can register and comment. The time only shows the time of the comment. Fact remains that this guy broke the law. This is good.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]How does a general card game affect our discussion? I am critciczing a very faulty analogy and then you decide to pull out a general card game from God knows where. Is this logical and reasonable to you?[/quote]This is the disadvantage of pock-nosing and busy body! Sorry, didnt get the original content or gist! My apologies!


[quote author=Mr_Anony]Once you introduce some form of order into anything no matter how small it seems to be, It can no longer be described as a random phenomenon..........One more thing, please argue against the points I am making. Branding people into a sect so that you can criticize the sect is poor reasoning. Learn to debate properly.[/quote]Bullsh1t. Havent you heard of;

-semi-random sampling
-pseudorandom number generators?

frosbel: Some random comments from American Parents :


elimil2402
No 15 year old needs to be trying to attend a party period, let alone at 1am! I'm glad he put his foot down and did not allow her to go. Sounds like it was a typical child/parent fight and does not seem like abuse at all, will keep him and his family in prayer.
elimil2402


weddings7647
If my 15 year old daughter didn't behave they would have "superficial injuries" too. I don't believe in beating a child, but I will not spare the rod. If my kid disgarees they can hit the road. In my house my children will follow my rules or go somewhere else.

Plex755
A party, 1 o'clock in the moring, 15 year old female and a Father who said and meant NO! I'm not a " Dollar" follower nor fan. I am a parent who believes you raise your own children or allow them to get caught up in the system and end up in the grave. It's call Corporal punishment or child abuse these days, but my parents called it saving you from your self cause you're getting your butt whipped.

KzTer
I agree with Plex755...I'm not a fan of his, but as a parent, I understand the emotions that come along with parenting teenagers and when I say "NO, you are NOT going", that's the end of it. There's no more conversation and at 1 am, that thought shouldn't never even crossed your mind. I don't condone "getting physical" with your kid, but I understand that they can drive you too it, especially when they are 15 years old and obviously knows more than anyone else on the planet...esp their parents (dripping with sarcasm).

How do you know that they are Americans?

Why should we listen to some random comments?

The fact is that he got arrested for beating his child. There were other ways he could have resolved the matter.

phenom666: I can see some guys are all ready going to hell just need fellower; don't be one of them. READ U R BIBLE and don't listen to f.o.o.l of the first order.

Sharaap! We are not children that you threaten with the boogeyman you call Satan.

Heaven and hell dont exist

The Arbiter: One little victory for the godless.

Now can we have a cure for all (or even some) the world's ills since atheists have identified the problem with humanity.

Any solution particular to Nigeria devoid of emotions and rooted in logic would be highly welcome.

Are you being sarcastic?

Pukkah: Which language is this please?

Weere- nese

Avicenna: I was travelling in a commercial vehicle recently. As usual with people, they started arguing and debating all sorts of issues. Marital,girl-child education, female rights,corruption,same sex relationships , politics, just anything.
I was completely disgusted with the ignorance, sheer stupidity being spewed. There was no sentence without the word 'God' in it. All sort of ignorant comments,' we are being punished because girls wear mini-skirts'. God was claimed to be punishing us and yet they praise him every two seconds.
The driver kept implying that if we are going to crash, God will crash us! Most passengers sort of agreed. Some of them seemed to be poorly educated or did not school at all. All their views were incredibly myopic and disgraceful infact.
The problem is I could not even engage them as most of them were way older than me. Now, I kept thinking about a way in which I could educate them . The only effective manner I could think of could be used by an intuitive person among them to identify me as an atheist. This will surely lead to complete refusal to hear me out. And may even lead to violence with the driver. I see him as a muslim fanatic. My appearance like an islamic alfa won't help matters.
Now, I want to know about other atheist experiences in this type of situation. I specifically also want to hear the method you may use to handle situations like the one I found myself. YOUR OPINIONS/METHODs are appreciated.

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In the UK;

Many people know what atheists are and so, they might not be that aggressive towards you and will engage in civil but heated arguments. There are intolerant bigots that will either ignore you or threaten you after you debunk/answer their questions on God/religion. 20% of people in the UK are atheists


In Nigeria;

You will get insulted if you are young or look young. You will also be threatened and become an outcast in an argument. The only way you can argue or debate with religious people in Nigeria is if you are very old. Nigerians respect power and age. They would be careful in insulting you

frosbel: In ISLAM they kill them,

Or chop off their noses;

https://undhimmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/example-of-muslim-woman-with-nose-cut-off.jpg

frosbel: rocket scientist you mean, lol, I hope you are not a product of the western education system

Why are you employing Grammar Nazi tactics? Are you really focusing on a simple typographical error?

https://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/98885/80646663.png

Why not focus on the point of my argument?

frosbel: logicboy , be quiet for a moment and make some sense.

He has a point.

I have not seen any articles on the front page for years that challenge the belief system of ISLAM, but Christianity is maligned here 24/7 and to rub salt into the wounds, the articles are put on front page.

Just because one group is peaceful and the other volatile does not mean that the ridicule should be directed at the peaceful, though I could care less on an individual basis.

Both of you have no point. Islam doesnt get challenged because you can get killed. The owner of the site was threatened by the muslims and so we can see the direct reason for the "non-disturbance" of islam on Nairaland. The reason is simple and clear.


Guess what? When your pastors stop defrauding people and beating children, we will stop criticizing them

frosbel: actually it is not good news, I will tell you why.

I am not a supporter of Crefflo but I do hate him. Also when a man is down and out we should not kick him into the dust.

This has nothing to do with this church, but a wayward daughter he tried to put in line and she called the police for her father who cared for her all his life. What a brat she is.

This has everything to do with the church. He is a hypocrite and a child abuser but he runs a multi-million dollar chruch.

We should kick his balls for destroying the lives of many black folk

Children in the West are better than your corrupt Nigeria. Better educated, better healthcare and better opprotunites when they grow up.


How many of your Nigerian children grow up to be Neurosurgeons, roacket scientists or CEO's of multinational companies?

frosbel: This is why children in the west are rotten to the core, tell me , where are Pastor's parental rights to discipline his wayward daughter ??

Ungrateful wicked daughter, after all her DAD has done for her in this life

LMAO.


Frosbel, why are you complaining. Doesnt the bible teach you christians to obey the law?

This is good news.

Niflheim: @LOGICBOY,EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE,THEY SAY THAT ALL THE ANIMALS ENTERED THE ARK AND YET IF YOU CHECK THE DIMENSIONS,IT IS TOO SMALL!!!

Nice!

You are a fraud. Tithing is fraud. You cant deceive people on the internet so easily.


1. To Honor the Creator.

God does not exist. Even if God exists, he would not need you money. That money will be better used feeding your family or feeding the poor.

2. To Acknowledge My Heritage.

What heritage? Are Nigerians descendants of Isrealites? Even so, are we to pay tax to our heritage now?


3. To Fulfill the Covenant.

According to your christianity, Jesus removed the need for such convenants.


4. To Show My Love.

The good samaritan showed love to a stranger. It is better to feed a poor stranger than tithing with the same money. The only love you show with tithing is to the pastor not God or your fellow human beings

5. To Fulfill an Obligation.

Ditto number 3. No obligation or covenant

6. To Escape Condemnation.

Does God punish for not paying tithes? You must be joking

7. To Spread the Gospel.

No, tithe is not needed to preach. John the baptist lived in the wilderness. Donations can help towards the upkeep of the church but we should not conflate that with the Gospel. Why must donations be money? There are other things; paying bills, donating food, providing services etc

8. To Avoid a Curse.

God now curses people for not tithing? Are you sane at all?

9. To Enjoy God's Blessing.

There are millions of people who dont tithe and are successful.

10. To Be Consistent.

Consistent in making pastors rich?

I onestly think that atheists have the upper hand here on Nairaland religion section.

Let's review the evidence

-A Nairaland poll was asking if the bible degrades women and 73% said yes https://www.nairaland.com/929422/stand-women-bible/5
-At any time, the top 5 threads on Nairaland religion section will have at least on thread question God's existence or authority
-Churches are getting lambasted and criticized for their evils from left and right
-Threads on the recent Dana aeroplane crash contain many comments on God not stopping the crash, criticizing christians for only praying for dead chrisian passengers and critizing pastors claiming that they prophesied the crash.



Some of these points are not totally directly from atheism but they sure are in the atheists favour. Dont you love it when the internet destroys religion?

Oh, wait? You want me to talk about the muslims? Isnt it proof enough that they were debunked that they ran to their cowardly section?