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deols: Why are you angry nahhhh. Did my post make you feel emasculated? Hahaha

My ninja costume? Lol..

Marry someone who would control me? I will marry the one deserving of my finesse. Control won't be an issue. Don't dare think that you know me or what I'd do

Who cares about the person you dated? How many times do I have to tell you that I don't care??

All I can do with you is shred you. You better back off..make my handling no cripple you














Did you just believe that?

Lol....i didnt know u were like this. haha

deols: There is no one I can't handle literally.

But I wont give an atheist a second look.

.......The same way u didnt give muslim maclatunji a second look? Lol

What makes u think that an atheist will look twice at u in ur ninja costume?

Abegi....handle wetin? Who can u handle? At trhe end of the day, u will still marry a version of mac that will control u. Thats what u get when u look for men that r strong in the deen.....

I have dated muslims before. My first gF was happier than her hypocrite friends. Love is beyond religion.

babylolaroy: no, it is Allah's command. And thus it is not choice buh obligatory


whether you like it or not, hijab is expected to make the wearer chaste and pure. Every hijabian shud be cautioned to know she is wearing 'a flag' representing the ummah. And i know your female ascendants and descendants are not hijabians so let ds matter stop pepering you please

If you read the English translations concerning female coverings in the Quran, one can not help concluding 2 things

-Islam is a religion for ARABS not the whole world
-Islam is a religion where women have less rights than men
you lie! islam is a religion of the world. Do you wanna turn it to your bible matter where paul delivered letter to some race and dey wrote bible out of it..were you and your family given the letters b4 you start following the bible's tenets?
jesus wasnt sent to the world and you know it..He was sent to his tribe like all other prophets. some were even sent only to their families. Muhammad Was the only prophet sent to the world

The first point is very clear. First off, the English translations still use the Arabic words for cloaks/head coverings because they have no direct words in English. A "head covering" or "cloak" is not specific in English- a head covering could be a head tie or scarf or a helmet. A cloak is any cloth that could be used to cover the body from cold or as apart of a uniform- some cloaks are like capes or hoodies.
if Allah wanted us to go by English meaning, he wudav revealed the book to an English man and written it in English. If you must read the English, do so buh dnt start saying because cloak is vague, hijab isnt defined..na yu no know wetin it means, we wey d matter concern, we do!

Furthermore, even as Nigerians, our tribal clothes are not fully covering especially the Fulani, Benin and Isa tribal attires. Probably due to the heat? Is the Quran telling us that our ancestors were deceived by Shaytan while Allah was teaching the Arab women how to dress?
That is why its time for change. if native clothes arent covering enuf, Allah has prescribed something beta. why is that a bitter pill to swallow

This is not mentioning the fact that
-The Quran tells us that an Arab man is the example for all mankind
-Qibla- muslims should face Arab lands while praying
-Pilgrimage to Arab lands is a pillar of the faith.
Arabic was chosen by Allah for reasons known to him. We dont have a problem with that. Muhammad didnt choose it for himself and he loved the arabic language himself because...its d language of the quran, because hez an arab and because its the language of the people of jannat...now eat that!!
As for the second point- where are the hijab/burkha for men? Why are men allowed to wear shorts an sleeveless but not advisable for women?
you fall my hand finally. kuku say men are allowes to wear bum short to say salat. mtcheew. Men's bodies was not described as awra(n.ake.dness) in the quran. And even sef a man must be covered from navel to his knee. That wont attract any undue attention as wud a woman dressed so.
What even grinds my gears is that the Quran speaks of how women dress but never attends to important female issues- underage marriage with VVF, abortion and care for pregnant ladies (ante-natal care)
you are not even learned one bit. i thot you also knew a bit of islam before coming on here to attack. Is there any matter islam doesnt address?. no sir!! there is none mashaaAllah. As such islam outrightly forbids abortion. i shud quote the verses buh av typed enuf...dem al baqir go come give you later. talking of ante natal..mtcheew...islam suppose say pls mr illogicbwoi, if yu eva have a preggy wife, take her to clinic oooo...haha. humans sha. To burst your bubbles, islam did provide for care. its even sed that a woman in labour shud chant...thumma sebiila yassarahu...what did christianity give you to chant?..the blood of jesus?
lastly, underage marriage isnt the cause of vvf..its underage sexual commitment..And islam didnt preach underage sex. Go online and read the best fertile years of a woman, yu'd discover dat it is in her teens

ha! usermane sef better pass all this kyn tin. atleast he knows wat he argues on and wth verses sef..yu jus dey talk blindly...things dah r very obvious

1) I aint a christian...atheist here. I dont believe in both bible and quran

2) The quran is silent on abortion. Even ur scholars agree with me.

3) Men are allowed to wear shorts. I nver said bum shorts. Why are men allowed but women not?


4) VVF and underage sex go together. The quran puts maturity of a woman at puberty.....sigh.....i pity 11, 12 and 13 year old girls.


5) All in all, you havent really argued against the arab bias in islam. Think about it when u face mecca

deols: You have an atheist in mind for me?


What does 'hot' mean.

You can jamtalk sha

I'm just joking. You couldnt handle an atheist husband.




Hot means h0rny

Fulaman198: Lusting is wrong in Islam, I for one as a Muslim man will not marry more than 1 woman. I have listened to songs by Oumou Sangare in Fulfulde (Fulani language) of Mali and she grew up having to deal with it her mother did not receive the same attention as the other wife.

It is impossible for a man to love 2 or more women equally the same. One will always be your favourite.

Well said

Why not marry an atheist, Deols?

That way, you will be sure that your husband wont marry a second wife

lol....even some few sects of christianity advocate polygamy!


On a serious note, this thread is making me laugh......the "hot" men are afraid of challenge...they feel that some sisters will not bow down to their lust for multiple women...

ummsulaym: Well, I haven't read or heard of any Islamic ruling for a case like hers... My comment is what I think should be since there are lawyers who are also against it(more like her face mustn't be uncovered after all)... Even if there are fatwas that say she can, it's not that easy for the nocobi to just take it off like that... You wont understand this but the feeling is like you being asked to appear unclad, head to feet before crowd...
Well, Allah knows best

This is what happens when people live in isolation from others. When you live with non-muslims in the West, you will see the difference in applying secular laws to religion.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWbd3rFgey0

It is a woman's choice to wear the hijab or not.

However, anyone that thinks that wearing the hijab gives anyone a religious advantage is dreaming. Wearing the hijab does not make you more chaste or more decent. This is the beginning of hypocrisy.

If you read the English translations concerning female coverings in the Quran, one can not help concluding 2 things

-Islam is a religion for ARABS not the whole world
-Islam is a religion where women have less rights than men


The first point is very clear. First off, the English translations still use the Arabic words for cloaks/head coverings because they have no direct words in English. A "head covering" or "cloak" is not specific in English- a head covering could be a head tie or scarf or a helmet. A cloak is any cloth that could be used to cover the body from cold or as apart of a uniform- some cloaks are like capes or hoodies. In short, the Quran is prescribing Arabic dressing.

Furthermore, even as Nigerians, our tribal clothes are not fully covering especially the Fulani, Benin and Isa tribal attires. Probably due to the heat? Is the Quran telling us that our ancestors were deceived by Shaytan while Allah was teaching the Arab women how to dress?

This is not mentioning the fact that
-The Quran tells us that an Arab man is the example for all mankind
-Qibla- muslims should face Arab lands while praying
-Pilgrimage to Arab lands is a pillar of the faith.



As for the second point- where are the hijab/burkha for men? Why are men allowed to wear shorts an sleeveless but not advisable for women?



What even grinds my gears is that the Quran speaks of how women dress but never attends to important female issues- underage marriage with VVF, abortion and care for pregnant ladies (ante-natal care)

ummsulaym: you must not be a non-muslim to be against nicob.... Worse is some 'muslims' are against hijab, what will those sects(not like an islamic sect o) of muslims now say of nicob Well, one of the answers to your question lies in ur post and that is ''asking her to remove it is a breach of her human rights''... Chikena!

Wow......in the case of a court case, all muslims I have seen agree on it. The veil should be removed when justice is needed to be served in court. Even your muslim speakers agree on this.

Your Quran has nothing to say on this and so, it is left for a fatwa.

And seriously, please think before you type.

It is a worse human right for justice not to be served than to tell a woman to remove her veil

ameenahz: Chei, na wa o! You asked for verses, i brought them. Now you are bringing out another 'problem' from it.

Anyways, again sir, you are wrong. In my case, no cleric shoved anything down my throat. I read my Qur'an, the tafsir and did what was right.
You obviously read the verses with a biased, un-open mind. Now re-read...

......'extend their head covering (khimar) over their bossoms'......

.......'Draw your outer-garment or cloak 'jilbaab' all over your body....



2) The second verse i quoted didnt say 'women' who are not interested in marriage. It said 'women past childbearing age', in other words, women who can no longer have children or who do not expect wedlock or menopausal women
And it is not 'some Qur'aans'. It is some Qur'an translators.

Nice try....the verses do not say what you want to force it to say;

-the hijab/burkha is compulsory.


It just doesnt say that




2) The verse clearly says "not interested in marriage"

And women of post-menstrual age who have no desire for marriage - there is no blame upon them for putting aside their outer garments [but] not displaying adornment. But to modestly refrain [from that] is better for them. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.




3) ......'extend their head covering (khimar) over their bossoms'......

(Point here is to cover your bosoms)

.......'Draw your outer-garment or cloak 'jilbaab' all over your body....

(cut n paste- the full verse is for travelling and also contradictory- cover yourself to be recognized)

Mooxy: Please revisit my comment again. I used the word 'STRAY' not 'STAY'. That's english for you, a single word can render a whole sentence an entirely different meaning.

In fact, it's a slap on my face to say "they stay from the right path". What I wrote was " STRAY from the right path". Perhaps, you need some sleep, huh?

I clearly meant to write "stray".

Unfortunately for you, "stray from" and "stay from" would connote the same thing- they are not on the right path.

Smh....it still doesnt change the point. I understand that you are desperate

babylolaroy: dissolve jor

Evaporate ko?

LagosShia: good boy.

"boy" is what the white slave master called the black slave.

Mooxy: Hijab is not by force, but it's a duty of every muslim to admonish people whenever they stray from the right path. And if there's a way we can draw their (the princesses) attention for not hijabbing their bodies we'll not hesitate to do so!

Hijab is not by force but you want to admonish non-hijabi women because they stay from the right path?

Do you know the meaning of contradiction?

babylolaroy: ha! logicboy yii sha...yu no fit keep quiet ni...make yu jus pretend say yu no dey online...pretend like say yu no.know wetin dey...ha!!! nawao

yu must sha comment shaaa...who do yu think will follow dat link?

No one is forcing you to follow the link. Knowledge is only acquired with a resolve to learn.

LagosShia: please can you point out where I said the "hanif" path was a religion in the sense of Christianity,islam and Judaism? it is a path/ideology/model/idea/belief/faith (call it as you may,but not established man-made religion) people lived by in the footsteps of their ancestors by not worshipping idols.that is all.in fact I took the stress to detail for you that it is only in the Quran as an holy book where God is stated to have said "this (Islam) is my religion".no other religion in any holy book is proclaimed or stated.likewise I explained that the prophets before Prophet Muhammad (sa) never declare any religion or state its name.they only proclaimed the messages of God and taught people how to obey God and live spiritual lives and what to avoid. the hanifs can be likened to the Israelites before Judaism. it is not a religion because the Prophet (sa) could not have followed any religion other than Islam.however it is a model of monotheism for those who insisted not to worship idols as their contemporaries did before the completion and proclamation of God's religion on earth (Islam).

your confusion is borne out of fusing words where they don't belong and then using your own ideas to assume.

The Isrealites (or better yet, the people that lived in their lands) had pagan (polytheists) religions before Judaism. To compare them with hanif is quite silly

You seem to forget that in this area, I would be 10 times more knowledgeable than you. As someone who was an educated christian, I would easily grasp some Jewish history.



I repeat; Hanif is a lie. A fabrication made to cover up the widespread paganism before islam.

ameenahz: Sorry sir, you are wrong. Here:


An-Nur(24) vs 31


...And say to the faithful women to
lower their gazes, and to guard their
private parts, and not to display their
beauty except what is apparent of it,
and to extend their headcoverings
(khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their
beauty except to their husbands, or
their fathers, or their husband's
fathers, or their sons, or their
husband's sons, or their brothers, or
their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what
their right hands rule (slaves), or the
followers from the men who do not
feel sexual desire, or the small
children to whom the unclothedness of
women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so
as to make known what they hide of
their adornments. And turn in
repentance to Allah together, O you
the faithful, in order that you are
successful


An-Nur(24) vs 60


And as for women past childbearing who
do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on
them if they discard their (outer) clothing
in such a way as not to show their
adornment. But to refrain (i.e. not to
discard their outer clothing) is better for them. And Allaah is All‑Hearer,
All‑Knower”


Al-Ahzab(33) vs 59


O Prophet! Say to your wives and
your daughters and the women of
the faithful to draw their
outergarments (jilbabs) all over
themselves; that is better that they
will be recognized and not assaulted. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.




I hope you believe it isnt just Arab cultur now.

Apparently, some dubious cleric explains the Quran to you and you accept without reading it for yourself.

1) First verse you put up says
-lower your gaze
-cover your bosoms and private parts
-show only your beauty to your husbands and close male relatives.

This verse does not mention hijab or burkha and neither does it tell one to cover her face. "Beauty" is not a part of the body......it could be any part of the body. It could be even metaphorical.

2) Second verse you put up says;
-it is okay for women who arent interested in marrying to remove their garment


3) Third verse says
-bring down your outer garment so that you will be recognized but not abused? This verse had so many funny translations that its meaning is not straightforward some Qurans (Yusuf Ali or Pickthall) claim it is when you're abroad that a woman should do it



Sorry, if Allah wanted the Burkah or Hijab or Niqaab compulsory, Allah would have said so clearly as in the case of alcohol where its non-consumption is compulsory

vedaxcool: u sound like a slave of African paganism, if u like African culture so much why write in english? Or r u also a slave of the white man? FYI, the Qur'an repeatedly condemn arab paganism, so how does a religion that opposed arab paganism in many respect simply became a reformation of it? I believe u should weep for yourself as only a fool would want to practice a religion that a few people actually understand its secrets etc, u also weep for those twins sacrificed for no sensible reasons, or the people who continue to fall victim of ritual killings, yes and also weep for the endless superstitious beliefs paganism. Entreched in African.

Allah does not guide the haughty!

Islam in fact, copied many things from other religions like Judaism which copied from pagan religions.

Moses was a Jew who used Jewish scriptures and lived with Jews. Yet, Moses is supposed to be a muslim prophet. How is this not copying?

LagosShia: nothing Shia and Sunni here.i am talking to you.

the hadith that states the Prophet (sa) did not inhabit the loins of a polytheist or an adulterer is accepted by both Sunnis and Shia.

the case of Abu Talib (as) has to do with Sunni and Shia for some reasons.



here is something from the internet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanif



does living among pagans make one a pagan? by that every indian is meant to be hindu and never muslim or anything else.


they worshipped according to their tradition believed to be in accordance with the faith of Abraham (as).


they never had any in particular I know of.in fact even the Israelite prophets to a large extent did not leave behind any religious book in written form that people could tangibly point to.people penned down what they heard of teachings and stories.


Allah (swt).



TRUE.

I went to the wikipedia page on Hanif before I made my previous comment. Even wikipedia admits that the page is riddled with assertions and unverifiable claims



There is nothing on that religion. No lets compare real Abrahamic religions

1) Samaritarianism
*Holy book- Samaritan Pentateuch
*God- Nergal

2) Essene faith
*Holy book- Dead Sea scrolls
*God- Yahweh


Where is the info on your Hanif religion?

Not even 3 lines on the practices of the hanif religion.

Okay, LagosShia, I give up.


Its because I am indifferent to alcohol.....I will only drink when friends are drinking. If I wa told to stop drinking by my doctor, I would easily stop

LagosShia: pre-Islamic arabs were pagans,no doubt.but quite a number of them were not and they insisted on not committing idolatry.



I think you should review the below once more:
https://www.nairaland.com/1501204/how-true-narrations-sahih-bukhari

the same issue relates to Abu Talib (as),who is also declared an "idolater",but in fact was not only hanif but he embraced Islam before his death.

the hadith of Abu Hureira bears no value to me:
http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-digital-islamic-library-project-team/abu-hurairah-or-paul

Your Shia and Sunni go kill person one day....I am a non muslim- how am I supposed to keep up with the true and false hadith?

Soon now, Wahabbi/Salafist will come with their own approved hadith. I give up



That being said....Hanif is nothing....no sensible description of the religion whatsoever on the internet....nothing.

The only verifiable fact regarding the Prophet's parents is that they lived among pagans......pre-islamic pagans. Your hanif has no description

-how do they worship?
-what is their religious book
-what was the name that they called their monotheistic God?


FALSE.

LagosShia: that is not the subject of our discussion.you are digressing. and you have not answered my question.what are the ills of alcohol consumption in practical terms that can make it to be classified as a "curse"?

countries that consume have their problems from alcohol consumption.not very long ago,in Russia you get paid for quitting alcohol.now whether the progress of an entire nation depends on drinking or not drinking is not my point, and also as stated it is not the subject of the discussion.i am talking on alcohol consumption as an individual and its negative effect on society at large.

you can say in a very narrow and simple manner that western countries have high rate of alcohol consumption and they are more advanced technologically than muslim countries.but is the alcohol what is driving their advancement? or is the lack of alcohol in muslim countries that is responsible for their backwardness? the matter is unrelated. however when it comes to problems caused by alcohol,you find them in western countries and their rate in muslim countries is low.you can consider accidents,suicides,depression,addiction,and health risks.

Drunken master- Jackie Chan **an actor's career blossomed into superstar due to the alcoholic film
Smirnoff (Diageo)- A company employing hundreds of people and worth 48.9 billion because it sells alcohol

The point is that alcohol contributes to the economy much more than it costs the economy. For every drunkard you have 9 other people that drink responsibly.

If those people were not drunkards, they would probably overdose on something else. Just like Nigerian rich muslim kids that have cocaine and codeine addictions.

Yes, I agree that this was not the original argument.....

LagosShia: and so? the arabs used to drink and Islam removed that curse from them.good? and please don't tell me the Prophet's (sa) father or grandfather used to drink because I will ask you for proof.

So, the Arabs were a cursed people? Your ancestors were cursed because they drink? You do know that Nigerians were pagans before the Arabs and Europeans came?

Do you now see the ramifications of the curse?

LagosShia: you are free to see it as you like.but don't question the right of others to say "silly stuff" if you consider it as such.you asked "why would he curse".its not your business.simple.

See how you contradict yourself? What about my freedom of speech? If someone has the right to say something, I have the right to question it.....we are both saying something....freedom of speech.

tunshe: Stop using the queen to represent Islam and it's obvious you nothing about Islam.

Nice try....unfortunately, it is clear that I'm right about the Quran...it doesnt make the hijab compulsory.

The queen doesnt represent islam. Yes, but for me, she is a very good visual aid to point out certain hypocrisies...

See lies.

Hanif? That is a muslim invention to circumvent the fact that the pre-islamic Arabs were pagans....mushrikun....

Why would Muhammad ask God to forgive his mother-

Book 004, Number 2129:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger, (may peace be upon him) as saying: I sought permission to beg forgiveness for my mother, but He did not grant it to me. I sought permission from Him to visit her grave, and He granted it (permission) to me.

tunshe: I smell breasttmilk, go back to mummy cos u are still hungry.

Simply because the queen and princess are not using Hijab, all Muslimah must follow?

That is the problem with non Muslims, using the action of few to judge Islam. It's Hypocrisy!

Since you are a young lad, let me inform you that life of a Muslim is governed by the Quran and Sunnah not what individuals do.

The use of Hijab is a function of level of Faith, those you quoted are still struggling between their self desire and Islamic injunction.

Logicbwoy, you can't teach us Islam. Learn your religion, understand the falsehood and revert to Islam.

What makes you think that the Queen hasnt read the quran? Or that I have not read it?

Where in the Quran is it said that the Hijab or Burkha is compulsory or that it will make you holier?


Abeg shift, and stop the breast milk talk.....that is just wrong....

What was he?

The prophet's father was a pagan. That much, I know......

I have problems with the same Hadith

Are you concluding that they are not true?

deols: Well, I wanted it clarified, anyway.

So much for clarification
https://www.nairaland.com/1494959/did-prophet-pbuh-curse-people#19250055

LagosShia: hello "boy", long time.

let us treat the aspect of "curse" in practical terms.in other words let us put the spiritual/hell fire dimension out of the way.

let us deal with the woes of drinking and smoking in society.state or list them.then ask yourself if those drinking and smoking are not cursed (in practical terms).

also,is there no freedom of speech? you allow and defend people to insult our Prophet (sa) under the excuse of "freedom".and you think he is not free to express the obvious about alcohol? where is your "freedom" Mr.Atheist?

Have you looked at the western countries that allow alcohol and compared it to the state of your islamic ones that dont?


Furthermore, dont you realise that Muhammad's ancestors drank alcohol? It is even mentioned that before the prophet, Arabs used to drink?


This is not about freedom of speech. People are free to say silly stuff. This is about pointing out the silly stuff

talk2me006: Mr man!
If the princess of morrocco or others does not wear hijab, then it means they are not obeying the teaches of islam. This does not hold the facts that the hijab is not compulsory..

Many muslims are not practising muslim. A true muslim will always abide to islam teaching.
Hope you get that?

Hijab is not compulsory.....you are not Arab or more muslim than the Queen of Jordan or the princess of Morroco. You'll find out that it is the poor ones and Africans that carry this hijab.burkha thing like it will carry them to heaven

The General: The queen of Jordan is a Christian

Some people can lie....she is a muslim

Joshthefirst:
Which kind of bad belle(butthurt) is this??

Take it easy lb before your head explodes.
I hope deepsight laughs as much as me this evening.
Smh.

Fools like you laugh at what you dont understand....Ishilove is here. Two of you can play. bye