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LagosShia:
wake up brother!

you just did what you accuse others of doing.

research more about islam from learned muslims and reliable sites (not those of hate-mongers):

www.al-islam.org

My life will end in a few years and you want me to spend it researching islam?
Fact: your religion was founded by a pedofile.
Fact: Your Koran is a poor attemt at copying the bible.
Fact: Your religion teaches hate and intolerance.
Fact: Your religion has produced the most numbder of terrorist world over.
Fact: Your religion has always expanded through violence.
Fact: Your religion treats women like animals. (sometimes even worse: I have yet to someone cover their goats, cats or cattle from head to toe in black!)

It is not hate mongering. It is the reality.
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Thing with religious people is they twist and turn whenever you present them with evidence and truth. When they can't wriggle their way out, they resort to insults revealing the true nature of their beliefs.
The bible is laughable but the koran is outright pathetic.

and muslim scholars also disagreed.you lied when you said the Quran too promotes cannibalism.

I didn't say that. But don't take it as a vindication because the koran promotes worse which I won't go into so as not to derail the topic of this thread.

if a muslim scholar is giving his opinion that in extreme starvation,you could eat human flesh,i dont even see how that corresponds to the statements found in the bible where God himself would punish people with cannibalism,he would promise them that they will eat themselves and where too the "people of god" ate themselves out of hunger.

Once again, I'm not comparing the two useless books.

do you know who al-Shafee is? he is the head of the shafie sunni school of thought.he is just another scholar whose opinion can be taken or thrown into the garbage bin.al-shafie does not consitutte the "muslim bible" to us.he isn't our holy book or our prophet.aside from that,not even all sunnis follow him.from the article itself you copied,you read others disagreeing with his personal view that people could eat human flesh of an enemy corpse or "criminal" if compelled by starvation.as in common,i doubt even any scenario could exist where people cant eat grass,leaves and even $hit instead of human flesh which the Quran clearly portrays as something detestable.so it just does not make sense.it even does not make sense all the more when you present to me,a Shia,the opinion of a shafie sunni scholar.he is entitled to his opinion.

so please next time try not to lie by copying the opinion of men and ascribing it to the Quran,which to us muslims is the infallible word of God Almighty.

He is a muslim scholar and that's all that matters to me. Your internal divisions are your problem.

OLAADEGBU:
Why is Mary Crying?

Poor Mary's azz was broken. . .
By the very ones who love her.


Yes they mostly cry during an'al gangban'g

LagosShia:
obviously you are not also ready to learn and open your eyes that both books are not the same and islam is not christianity.

you make up your assumption and even go the extra mile to lie because it makes you feel good.that is dishonesty.i thought only the christians do that.but even atheists or godless people tagging themselves "Logic Mind" do that.

how can you present Quranic verses talking about dead animal meat and haram meat to include "human meat"?where did you read that in the Quran? 

I didn't. Muslim scholars did. Read it again. You have the link.

Al-Shafie said, “One may eat the flesh of a human body. It is not allowed to kill a Muslim nor a free non-Muslim under Muslim rule (because he is useful for the society), nor a prisoner because he belongs to other Muslims. But you may kill an enemy fighter or an adulterer and eat his body”.

LagosShia:
keep lying to yourself.

show us the Quranic verses where God is punishing people with cannibalism or promising them cannibalism in addition to the "people of God" eating one another due to hunger as we read from the bible.

If you think I'm here to defend the bible, you got me wrong. My point is that both your books are so laughable that you shouldn't be pointing fingers at the other because you have in my opinion even a bigger baggage.

After accusing the bible of cannibalism, here you are defending the koran tooth and nail against. . . CANNIBALISM!

LagosShia:
oh,your father!dont mind him.afterall he was illitrate.

he really messed around with your mum.

you are the evidence!

Didn't expect different from your kind.

Now on islam and cannibalism.

From the book of Al-Kortoby; THE COLLECTOR OF THE QURANIC RULES.
January 11, 2010
Cannibalism in the Quran

Posted in Quranic Explanations tagged Al-Shafie, Allah, Cannibalism, collector of the Quranic rules, commentaries, Dead, Eating, Human flesh, Ibn Al-Araby, Imam, Islam, Kortoby, Muslim, Nahed Metwaly, prophet Mohammad, Quran, scholars, swine at 8:54 am by Nahed Metwaly
An important and a serious question, “Does Allah of Islam, allow Muslims in the Quran, to eat human flesh?”

The answer is very clearly, “Yes”.

Read the following two verses in the Quran,

(1) Quran (2: 173):

    “He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful” (Surah The Cow 2:173).

(2) Quran (16: 115):

    “He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” (Surah The Bee 16:115).

The reference of the commentaries on these verses is: The book of “Al-Kortoby”, the collector of the Quranic rules.

This book is introduced in volume 1, of the 3rd edition by Imam Shams El-Din Abi Abdallah Mohamed Bin Ahmad Ben Abi Bakr Farag Al-Ansari Al-Kortoby who died in the Islamic year 671. It is published by Dar El-Ghad El-Araby, 3 Danesh Street, Abassia, Cairo, Egypt, Telephone (2-824-329).

He said in page 3,

    “In the name of Allah the merciful and compassionate, this book is published under the supervision of the scholars of Al-Azhar (the largest Islamic University in the world). All publishing rights are reserved to Dar El-Ghad El-Araby, Cairo”.

He continues,

    “This edition is corrected, edited and certified by the “Council of Islamic Research of Al-Azhar”, who published it in 9 November, 1988, 29 Rabie I of the Islamic year 1409.

In page 716 in volume 1, Al-Kortoby gives these comments,

    “If one is in dire need and found a dead body of an animal, a swine, or of human, he might eat the dead animal because it as “Halal” (lawful or permissible), but not the body of a swine or a human”. There is a light prevention and a strong prevention, and these are the rules, such as one hates to have sexual relation with his sister, but can have a sexual relation with a foreigner because it is lawful for him. This is the condition for theses rules. Eating the flesh of a human is not allowed.

    Yet the scholars Ahmad and Dawoud protested by saying that prophet Mohammad said, “Breaking the bones of a dead body is like breaking the bones of a live body. Al-Shafie said, “One may eat the flesh of a human body. It is not allowed to kill a Muslim nor a free non-Muslim under Muslim rule (because he is useful for the society), nor a prisoner because he belongs to other Muslims. But you may kill an enemy fighter or an adulterer and eat his body”.

    Dawoud slandered Al-Mozny by addressing Al-Mozny saying, “You allowed eating the flesh of the prophets”. Ibn Sharie responded also to Al-Mozny by saying, “You allowed killing the prophets and did not allow eating the flesh of the infidels”.

    Ibn Al-Araby said, “The proper thing for me is not to eat human flesh unless the person makes sure that this act saves him from starving to death and Allah knows best”.

Dear reader,

I reported to you what is written in the commentaries of Al-Kortoby. I wrote exactly what I found without changing a word. But let me put an extra light on these commentaries. Al-Kortoby mentioned two kinds of preventions, a light one and a strong one and he left the reader to chose between the two. He gave the example of having a sexual relation with a sister or with a foreigner. He prefers the light prevention and not the strong one and left the reader to chose between the two.

But Imam El-Shefie was more clear and he courageously said, “Human flesh may be eaten”. He added, “An enemy fighter or an adulterer may be killed and his flesh be eaten”. More seriously, Dawoud protested against Al-Muzni saying, “If you allowed the eating of the flesh of the prophets (sarcastically I say, “for fear that they would not be slaughtered in the Islamic way”),  you should also allow eating the flesh of the infidels”. The final verdict for him, “Human flesh should not be eaten unless that would safe the life of the eater from starving to death and Allah knows best”.

Here is a great danger to the whole world. Islam, the Quran, and the scholars of Islam allow the Muslim to eat the flesh of the non-Muslim if that saves the Muslim from starving to death. We all know about the economic crisis which haunts the whole world these days. As we said, Imam El-Shafie said it very clearly, “An enemy fighter or an adulterer may be killed and his flesh may be eaten”. And in the eyes of every Muslim, a non-Muslim is an enemy fighter and an adulterer.

I challenge any person who denies what I said, as by the grace of God, I have all the references which I got this information from.

This subject is to be continued.

Nahed

jacobscros:
my friend some of the things I have experienced have bin crazy so I will believe such. When u are spiritually awake u know what's up. I have had evil spirits attack me and try to kill me numerous times so that's enough evidence that a spiritual realm exists. I have also fealt my spirit leaving my body when I was suffering hypertension and my spirit was affecting people near me to the point where they started feeling heart attack also and an oyinbo woman who was suffering pain in her heart from my spirits pull confessed to me that she was a witchcraft practicer.

Do you relate with this song?

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LagosShia:
check the thread i presented.he mistook me for a "jehovah" worshipper.he meant the one that snatched a 12 years old from a 90 years old man.he ra.ped her and then entered her and pregnated her with himself.

No I meant the illiterate murderer that took a six year old bride and ra.ped her when she was 9.

smh

Lasinoh:
Why don't you give for a change.
Jesus was always the giver. . . what kind of Christianity do you Nigerians practice?

Wipe my eyes, wipe my eyes.

OLAADEGBU:
The first 4 of the Moral Law deals with our relationship with God while the last 6 deals with our neighbours.  Knowing that you don't have respect for God do you have respect for man?  If I steal your wallet would I still be morally right in your sight?

I don't need religion to know that it is wrong to steal. Think.
Moral Law? WTF?

OLAADEGBU:
Don't forget to include the immoral acts done by atheists in the name of Neo darwinism. Atheists have a religion and it is called evolutionism.

Not necessarily. I for one neither believe in god or evolution because there are holes in all those theories. I am honest with myself and say "i don't know". I don't know how come I'm here but all explanations so far have been proved inadequate.

Evolution is more believable than the silent powerless useless god creator.

Alfred200825:
Was your Mom Ra.pe.d by an higher entity before she gave birth to you?

I'm not jesus.
I can tell you that my mom enjoyed my conception.

It can be affirmed that throughout history there are more immoral acts from religious people than from atheists.

Jonathan should go and be replaced by a real igbo man.

Hey, pedo-worshipper, you missed some.

"And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them." -- Deuteronomy 28:57

"Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm." -- Isaiah 9:19-20

"And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine." -- Isaiah 49:26

"I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another." -- Zechariah 11:9

The Holy Ghost Ra.pe!

God also likes getting teenage virgins pregnant.

frosbel:
You make us laugh even harder !!

No. I irritate you. You know why? 'cos your god is powerless, inexistant.
I challenge you. Tell me one thing your god can do this week. Just 1. Don't go hiding behind everyday things like "he will make the sun shine". That won't convince anybody.
I mean it. I give you and your god a challenge. Convince me and I will change my ways and follow you.

ONLY 1 THING

Fight!, fight!, fight!, fight!.

Me and satan are enjoying the scene.

habiolah:
Rukayah doesn't like me because I didn't give her the answer she wants to hear, and it's understandable; but Logic Mind's own seems to be worse - he doesn't believe there's God! Probably evolved from a goat and may sometimes talk like one - it is well.
I can bet that you grew up in a church, and that your parents are probably ministers in church where you were taught from infancy about a loving God who will punish you anytime you make a mistake: such a contradiction shey?
I've met people like you, atheists; and on one hand, I respect you because you are not afraid to be different but on the other hand I loose that respect when I think on the fact that you live in denial. Your heart longs after the true God and I can show him to you.
If you'd like to gimme a call

Is your almighty, powerful god afraid of me to himself that he would ask you, YOU!, to represent him?
I don't need your respect. You can go and slap a witch.
I didn't grow up in a church but they tried to mess up my head anyway as they did yours and are doing to a lot of children right now.
One day I decided to actually read the bible and that is when I started laughing. Shaking my head. How can an intelligent thinking human believe such bullsh.it?
I have a bible now and when I run out of Igbo fairy tales to tell my children, I bring it out and tell them stories, especially those in the first five books. I make sure to tell them that they are ancient Isreali fairy tales.
God exists only in your head.
Do something better with your life or pray harder still.

frosbel:
In the beginning, so starts the bible God made them male and female , not male and male

So who made the homosexuals and necrophiles then?

I remember when okwadike was the governor of the state and those aboki traders used to refer to their he-goats as okwadike (cos of the beard).
They have been taking a lot of piss in the state and it's time they are moved out.

Offsprings

habiolah:
who is Logic Mind? Are you an atheist or a muslim? So I'll know the response that befits you.
So, how slow were your teachers when they didn't start by teaching you simultaneous equation in Pry 1? And I hope you are not planning to teach your kids the Almighty formular at JSS2 (maybe you'll do that in a bid not to be a slow father)
God's truth is a complex reality which he had to break down and express through different lives in different generations of man.

Can you hear yourself speak?
Your response depends on my belief. Haha. Man of faith.
Are you comparing your almighty infalible perfect jehovah to my worldly teachers? You need more prayers or your loving, kind, merciful and understanding god might get angry and send his wrath upon you. LOOOOOOOOL. You never know with bipolar gods. hehe.

The problem with the post is that it equates backwardness with race. This is not true as black africans that have gone elsewhere were (and are still) able to invent and contribute to the development of their communities.

Below are a few known examples. There are more unreported inventions by blacks all over the world. So it is not a question of race but that of culture. Put children, black or green, in an environment that culturally nutures innovation and they will fulfill their potential.

African American Scientists

Benjamin Banneker
(1731-1806) Born into a family of free blacks in Maryland, Banneker learned the rudiments of reading, writing, and arithmetic from his grandmother and a Quaker schoolmaster. Later he taught himself advanced mathematics and astronomy. He is best known for publishing an almanac based on his astronomical calculations.

Rebecca Cole
(1846-1922) Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Cole was the second black woman to graduate from medical school (1867). She joined Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, the first white woman physician, in New York and taught hygiene and childcare to families in poor neighborhoods.

Edward Alexander Bouchet
(1852-1918) Born in New Haven, Connecticut, Bouchet was the first African American to graduate (1874) from Yale College. In 1876, upon receiving his Ph.D. in physics from Yale, he became the first African American to earn a doctorate. Bouchet spent his career teaching college chemistry and physics.

Dr. Daniel Hale Williams
(1856-1931) Williams was born in Pennsylvania and attended medical school in Chicago, where he received his M.D. in 1883. He founded the Provident Hospital in Chicago in 1891, and he performed the first successful open heart surgery in 1893.

George Washington Carver
(1865?-1943) Born into slavery in Missouri, Carver later earned degrees from Iowa Agricultural College. The director of agricultural research at the Tuskegee Institute from 1896 until his death, Carver developed hundreds of applications for farm products important to the economy of the South, including the peanut, sweet potato, soybean, and pecan.

Charles Henry Turner
(1867-1923) A native of Cincinnati, Ohio, Turner received a B.S. (1891) and M.S. (1892) from the University of Cincinnati and a Ph.D. (1907) from the University of Chicago. A noted authority on the behavior of insects, he was the first researcher to prove that insects can hear.

Ernest Everett Just
(1883-1941) Originally from Charleston, South Carolina, Just attended Dartmouth College and the University of Chicago, where he earned a Ph.D. in zoology in 1916. Just's work on cell biology took him to marine laboratories in the U.S. and Europe and led him to publish more than 50 papers.

Archibald Alexander
(1888-1958) Iowa-born Alexander attended Iowa State University and earned a civil engineering degree in 1912. While working for an engineering firm, he designed the Tidal Basin Bridge in Washington, D.C. Later he formed his own company, designing Whitehurst Freeway in Washington, D.C. and an airfield in Tuskegee, Alabama, among other projects.

Roger Arliner Young
(1889-1964) Ms. Young was born in Virginia and attended Howard University, University of Chicago, and University of Pennsylvania, where she earned a Ph.D. in zoology in 1940. Working with her mentor, Ernest E. Just, she published a number of important studies.

Percy L. Julian
(1899-1975) Alabama-born Julian held a bachelor's degree from DePauw University, a master's degree from Harvard University, and a Ph.D. from the University of Vienna. His most famous achievement is his synthesis of cortisone, which is used to treat arthritis and other inflammatory diseases.

Dr. Charles Richard Drew
(1904-1950) Born in Washington, D.C., Drew earned advanced degrees in medicine and surgery from McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, in 1933 and from Columbia University in 1940. He is particularly noted for his research in blood plasma and for setting up the first blood bank.

Emmett Chappelle
(1925-) Born in Phoenix, Arizona, Chappelle earned a B.S. from the University of California and an M.S. from the University of Washington. He joined NASA in 1977 as a remote sensing scientist. Among Chappelle's discoveries is a method (developed with Grace Picciolo) of instantly detecting bacteria in water, which led to the improved diagnoses of urinary tract infections.

James West
(b. 1931) James West was born in 1931 in Prince Edward County, Virginia, and studied physics at Temple University. Specializing in microphones, West went on to author 200 patents and more than 60 technical and scientific publications. In 1962, with Gerhard Sessler, West developed the foil electret microphone, which became the industry standard. Approximately 90% of microphones in use today are based on this invention and almost all telephones utilize it, as well as tape recorders, camcorders, baby monitors and hearing aids.

Philip Emeagwali
(b. 1954) Born in Nigeria in 1954, Philip Emeagwali's determination to succeed grew out of a life of poverty and little formal education. An expert in mathematics, physics, and astronomy, Emeagwali won the Institute of Electronics and Electrical Engineers' Gordon Bell Prize in 1989 for an experiment that used 65,000 processors to perform the world's fastest computation of 3.1 billion calculations per second. Emeagwali's computers are currently being used to forecast the weather and predict future global warming.

Aprille Ericsson
(b. 1963) Born and raised in Brooklyn, N. Y., M.I.T graduate Aprille Ericsson was the first female (and the first African-American female) to receive a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from Howard University and the first African-American female to receive a Ph.D. in engineering at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Ericsson has won many awards, including the 1997 "Women in Science and Engineering" award for the best female engineer in the federal government, and she is currently the instrument manager for a proposed mission to bring dust from the Martian lower atmosphere back to Earth.


African American Inventors

Thomas L. Jennings
(1791-1859) A tailor in New York City, Jennings is credited with being the first African American to hold a U.S. patent. The patent, which was issued in 1821, was for a dry-cleaning process.

Norbert Rillieux
(1806-1894) Born the son of a French planter and a slave in New Orleans, Rillieux was educated in France. Returning to the U.S., he developed an evaporator for refining sugar, which he patented in 1846. Rillieux's evaporation technique is still used in the sugar industry and in the manufacture of soap and other products.

Benjamin Bradley
(1830?-?) A slave, Bradley was employed at a printing office and later at the Annapolis Naval Academy, where he helped set up scientific experiments. In the 1840s he developed a steam engine for a war ship. Unable to patent his work, he sold it and with the proceeds purchased his freedom.

Elijah McCoy
(1844-1929) The son of escaped slaves from Kentucky, McCoy was born in Canada and educated in Scotland. Settling in Detroit, Michigan, he invented a lubricator for steam engines (patented 1872) and established his own manufacturing company. During his lifetime he acquired 57 patents.

Lewis Howard Latimer
(1848-1929) Born in Chelsea, Mass., Latimer learned mechanical drawing while working for a Boston patent attorney. He later invented an electric lamp and a carbon filament for light bulbs (patented 1881, 1882). Latimer was the only African-American member of Thomas Edison's engineering laboratory.

Granville T. Woods
(1856-1910) Woods was born in Columbus, Ohio, and later settled in Cincinnati. Largely self-educated, he was awarded more than 60 patents. One of his most important inventions was a telegraph that allowed moving trains to communicate with other trains and train stations, thus improving railway efficiency and safety.

Madame C.J. Walker
(1867-1919) Widowed at 20, Louisiana-born Sarah Breedlove Walker supported herself and her daughter as a washerwoman. In the early 1900s she developed a hair care system and other beauty products. Her business, headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana, amassed a fortune, and she became a generous patron of many black charities.

Garrett Augustus Morgan
(1877-1963) Born in Kentucky, Morgan invented a gas mask (patented 1914) that was used to protect soldiers from chlorine fumes during World War I. Morgan also received a patent (1923) for a traffic signal that featured automated STOP and GO signs. Morgan's invention was later replaced by traffic lights.

Frederick McKinley Jones
(1892-1961) Jones was born in Cincinnati, Ohio. An experienced mechanic, he invented a self-starting gas engine and a series of devices for movie projectors. More importantly, he invented the first automatic refrigeration system for long-haul trucks (1935). Jones was awarded more than 40 patents in the field of refrigeration.

David Crosthwait, Jr.
(1898-1976) Born in Nashville, Tennessee, Crosthwait earned a B.S. (1913) and M.S. (1920) from Purdue University. An expert on heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, he designed the heating system for Radio City Music Hall in New York. During his lifetime he received some 40 U.S. patents relating to HVAC systems.

Patricia Bath
(1942-) Born in Harlem, New York, Bath holds a bachelor's degree from Hunter College and an M.D. from Howard University. She is a co-founder of the American Institute for the Prevention of Blindness. Bath is best known for her invention of the Laserphaco Probe for the treatment of cataracts.

Mark Dean
(1957-) Dean was born in Jefferson City, Tennessee, and holds a bachelor's degree from the University of Tennessee, a master's degree from Florida Atlantic University, and a Ph.D. from Stanford University. He led the team of IBM scientists that developed the ISA bus—a device that enabled computer components to communicate with each other rapidly, which made personal computers fast and efficient for the first time. Dean also led the design team responsible for creating the first one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 1997.

Read more: Famous African American Scientists & Inventors: History & Biographies — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmscientists1.html#ixzz1kYBUjWho


There are a whole lot more and this is only in the science and technology world. We have inventful blacks in other domains as well.

Nigeria must divide to go forward as I can't tolerate seeing my inventions benefit any aboki or Yoruba. I would rather not invent.

alj harem:
But you expect people like me to respect nyamaria ko ?

how does that work

The only thing we expect from you is to go your own way and leave biafra alone, though that seems too difficult for you. I wonder why.

alj harem:
I understand, me self do omo lu abi before but the more I study some of them the more I know why they behave like they do.

I just want us to do omo lu abi for now and watch them more. Already I have given them the benefit of the doubt that they can learn to respect others but they keep breaking it. I am still watching them for now and I am waiting for just one of them to tell Nchara off then maybe there can be peace on NL.

I am just trying to give peace a chance

Learn to respect you?! An aboki and an Yoruba?!
Tufiakwa!
I would rather eat worm.

Kobojunkie:
again . . . . .

Patience, the veiled one. Patience.

Army is scared and in denial.: "we didn't kill anybody o! And we have detained nobody. Please leave us alone." Pathetic.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-855213.0.html

Kobojunkie:
48 hours don tay pass . . . . wetin  happen?

I think the army is considering its position.