₦airaland Forum

OlujobaSamuel:
all this true federal system, true democracy, etc, i dont believe in them, which one is false? so many different form of democracy, so i dont believe in the concept of true this or that, Also you mentioned people not allowing democracy to work, that is the major point, saboteurs in autocracy and monarchy is very insignificant unlike democracy, a nonoffice holder is ready to do and undo, eg tompolo, late adedibu.
The major disadvantage of autocracy and monarchy is abuse and not letting voice of the people be heard, which are merits of democracy, alas, here in our clime, they are not just disadvantages, but bigger disadvantages compared to that of the military era.
i have a very strong conviction that either of those two system can be modify to check abuse and also create a way to dethrone or remove the occupant if he is deemed to be on dooms path.
There is no evil done by the military that the civilians we have now are not doing worse.

Of the 20+ autocracies and monarchies in sub-Saharan Africa, how many are doing better than Nigeria?

-Lord

OneangleFarms:
I wasn't kuku referring to you.. Whether you buy from me or not.. My money no fix mix with your money... Who your endorsement EPP? please go sleep... your handle sef ... Lord- Are you a cultist?

Na only Lord you see for my post?

Anyway, I no get much words for you. People wen don c d disclaimer don c am. Those wen go still see am, go still see am.

You have just 15 posts (as at the time of this writing). You registered in Feb but started posting in Sep. Not a single completed transaction with proof here on NL.

Let's just assume you're new (although you said you aren't in our conversation).

Then do escrow. You say no.

Yet you expect anyone who's not ready to gamble to send money to you first.

I'm just laying this out here, because na red flag full your body like tattoo.

Good night.

-Lord

sweetgala:
Like china would just wake up one day and give their number 1 competition free 11 trillion.

It wouldn't be free. The US will have to make some deals that'd make Lincoln roll in his grave, but they'd get a pass nonetheless.

If you don't think so, then pray tell, what do you think will happen?

-Lord

sweetgala:
They'll never be able to pay it back, but they would never get a debt forgiveness off china, NEVER !

You talk as if you are the Chinese Premier!

-Lord

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Whatsapp contact in my signature.

-Lord

sweetgala:
You've been watching too much Trump rallies; how else can you have come to the conclusion that USA would default on it's debt to China and the notion that somehow the USA is too big to fail. That economy has already failed once and that may still repeat itself.

Where did I give the impression that the USA is too big to fail?

And how do you think that the US would be able to pay back over 11 trillion dollars in debt?

-Lord

zeestunner:
Don't get me wrong am not saying democracy is bad buh at this point its has not done much for us. With regards to the EU prospering bros re-evaluate ur reasoning. The EU is seriously in debt wit the exception of germany. Is that wat u call prosperity? Do u know the debt profile of america? Of france? Greece is practically in surgery and u talking bout prosperity. Show me ur so called democratic african nations doing as well as dubai or kuwait. South africa u talked about how far wit zuma? Like I said no system is perfect so let stop making it look like I said dictatorship is better. I stand by my word it failed nigerians yea it may hav worked in some countries buh here there's a long long way to go

Oga, the Chinese and Japanese cannot ask for their money back, because the world economy will collapse.

What will happen at most is that the Western world will default on their debt, most of it will be written off and the borrowing will start again as feverishly as before.

The most important thing however is that the West has used the money to develop their economy, military, and build their influence to a point where they creditors can't say sh**.

It's the cycle of the world, it has never changed. Empires borrow too much, they default (in the past this often accompanied the fall of the empire but right now that is not feasible without taking down most of the world's economy with them), and creditors borrow again to another rising empire who borrows too much again.

You give democracy 17 years, and you do know we are NOT practicing the optimal form of democracy for a country like Nigeria and you've already given up on democracy...

In the 16 years of democracy in the fourth republic, the Nigerian economy has grown faster than during any period in our short history. Check all the indices.


So, speak for yourself!

Democracy has not failed Nigeria. It is Nigeria that has failed to take full advantage of democracy. Democracy in the first republic was the best thing to have happened to Nigeria, but it was cut short by the military. Imagine what Nigeria would be with each region managing their own resources and there's healthy competition?

Just imagine!

-Lord

zeestunner:
Are china and UK democracies bros? Do u know that in the event of a hung parliarment the queen decides who becomes the PM so is that democracy? China is a communist country. All of russia's military advancement was achieved under what? Is russia a democracy in the real sense of the word? What about U.A.E ? Dubai we are all going to today became what it is under what? How bout libya, how is it doing now wit all the democracy noise NATO and allies came with. How bout iraq ? Is it better now ? .infact the almighty USA is the biggest debtor in the world. EU as a whole with the exception of germany all the rest are f-uckin debtors so u see there's no PERFECT system and african like arabs need strong hands not petty systems that work for caucasians. We hav our history and they have theirs. Democracy has failed us completely

If Democracy has failed you, you can leave the country (I'm quoting Buhari here) to any of the other 17 countries in Africa where dictatorship is rife.

Nonsense!

You talk about China, Russia, UAE (three nations) when the entire Europe, North America, most of South Africa, most of Asia are under democracy and prospering. Africa's top 5 economies are all democracies.

So you can port to North Korea if you like, leave Nigeria's democracy for us.

-Lord

obailala:
I will just take a jump to Singapore; this is one of the countries which became developed pretty recently under the rule of Lee Kuan Yew. I suppose in your imagination you think LKY was a democrat?.....

I see several countries on your list which practiced purely monarchical systems until recently and you suppose those systems were democratic when then got civilised?

See countries like Germany dancing in your list, I'm sure autocratic iron fisted leaders like Adolph Hitler and his saintly NAZI party were benevolent democrats right?

You probably ought to go back and read what I wrote properly. I didnt say the countries are undemocratic today, I said they were undemocratic when they got developed.

You don start again.

When we talk about modern civilization, we're actually talking about the Second Industrial Revolution that started in late 1800s and entered into the early 1900s. Before then, we had the first wave (First Industrial Revolution), but it couldn't compare to the Second as it wasn't exactly widespread.

It was during the Second Industrial Revolution that most of Europe dumped absolute monarchy to adopt constitutional monarchy with parliamentary democracy.

In fact, in the 1840s, Norway (#1), Denmark (#4), and Netherlands (#5) made the switch from absolute monarchy to constitutional monarchy with parliamentary democracy.

Australia (#2) and New Zealand (#9) practice a similar system of constitutional monarchy with parliamentary democracy which they assumed after the British left.

Switzerland (#3) looked up to American values to draft a federal constitution to become a federal state in the mid 1800s. They revised the constitution again in the 1890s to make it a direct democracy (practically the best form of democracy on the planet). Thus they were well positioned to benefit from the Second Industrial Revolution.

Germany (#6) was an antithesis to most of Western Europe. Because when the rest of Europe was taking in democracy, they were still trying to find unity. Unity came late in the late 1800s when the Second Industrial Revolution was underway. But they didn't cool off immediately. It took a sound beating in the First World War and the German revolution in the late years of the first decade of the 1900s for Germany to dish their monarchy for the Weismic Republic. The Nazi party hijacked the system and failed couple of years later to win the WW2. After that, Germany was a mess with the Allied Forces occupying their land and them having plenty of debts to pay (like Japan). With the cold war starting to brew, Germany was a proxy state for the rising animosity between two former friends becoming foes (the US and the Soviet Union). The Berlin Wall came up, and while West Germany (the Federal Republic of Germany) became a democracy and flourished (in part thanks to excellent leadership of the first two chancellors and the well-administrated Marshall Plan), the same could not be said about East Germany choked by Communism. Therefore, one of the vital reasons for Germany rising from a pariah state with resounding humiliation in the 1940s to the largest economy in Europe (and de facto leader of EU) beyond the industrious nature of the Germans is DEMOCRACY.

Ireland (#6--tie with Germany) is a full-on parliamentary democracy actually called Republic of Ireland. It should not be confused with Northern Ireland, which is a part of the UK.

The United States (# had the civil war in the mid 1800s. But ended in just in time to take good advantage of the Second Industrial Revolution to boost their economy and cement their place as a global power. Every of American high-end industrialists we can't seem to get enough of owed their success to the Second Industrial Revolution. Cornelius Vanderbilt, John D. Rockefeller, and Andrew Carnegie led progess in railroad, petroleum, and steel industries. J.P. Morgan played a notable role in Banking. Edison and Tesla undertook the widespread distribution of electricity to industry, homes, and for street lightiing. Henry Ford revolutionized the automotive industry. All of these happened in the late 1800s and early 1900s. That's when real development happened in America and across the world.

Canada (#9) attained self-governance for most of their affairs from the UK thanks in major part to the Constitution Act in 1867. They quickly adopted the parliamentary system and although, they still had to wait for the Statute of Westminster in 1931 for full autonomy and the Constitution Act of 1982 to end all ties with the UK, they had already used Democracy to take full advantage of the Second Industrial Revolution and the rapid development of their neighbor the US to become a civilized and industrialized country.

Now that I've shown you that all of the first 10 were actually under democracy when they got civilized, can you kindly stick your failed, myopic assertion where the sun does not shine.

Any country can modify their type of democracy. Scandinavian Europe do not want to do away with their monarchy completely, so they modified it to become constitutional and added parliamentary democracy where the parliament is the head of Government. Switzerland made theirs a direct democracy where individual citizens can directly affect the law and vote on issues directly.

There are different forms of democracy and every country is using that which fits them most. Nigeria's current form does not fit us at all. Switzerland calls their administrative divisions Cantons. Canada call theirs Provinces. America call theirs states. In Switzerland, each canton has its own constitution, its own government, and courts.

True Federal Democracy in Nigeria is what will work. We can modify ours to be anywhere from four to six regions (call it whatever we want) with sub-regions (we can call them states or whatever) with a decentralized government at the center that only coordinates things, maintain security of our sovereignty, and maintains foreign policy for the polity. While the regions get full resource control and contribute to the FG.

The problem is that people like you and your political affiliation has called all form of restructuring treasonable and do not want dialog so that we can actually chart a course that'd suit Nigeria. Instead, you guys actually want Nigeria to be like Chad, Cameroon, Zimbabwe and elsewhere where there is dictatorship.

It is crass, stupid, and shameful.

So the next time you guys speak with glee about Military rule, you guys should know that nothing on this planet can make us go back to our vomit. It is gone for good, and anyone who gets elected on a democratic platform and tries to rear that ugly dictator-ish tendency will meet his doom sooner than later.

It's either we make democracy work in Nigeria or we go our separate ways.

Even communism is better than dictatorship.

-Lord

Truth234:
Even dangote newly commissioned Tomato Processing Factory suspended operation, while monitoring economic improvement. The country is in recession and capital importation is low. These companies needs to be reasonable and considerate.

If Chinese businesses/investors are trooping in and you are rushing out. Then, I doubt the viability of Erisco long-term plans.

The problem is not that Chinese businesses/investors are trooping in? It is that in the tomato paste sector, they're not coming in to setup factories and employ workers. They're only coming to dump tomato paste already manufactured in China.

Even Dangote is suspending operations. And he can afford to wait and run losses because he has a large business empire.

This Erisco guy only runs tomato processing as the major and only business, you cannot expect him to sit, close his factory and wait, while his loans are still counting.

You sef reason am.

The stupid fact is that the man gave the FG 30 days ultimatum to change things, yet nothing happened. What does that say about the government?

-Lord

Miles300:
There should be a front page , "Dangote considering joining the wailers association " .. Wailers his he allowed to de camp?

Methinks he is allowed after paying a hefty fee to build our new HQ.

Then employing at least 10% of all active wailers.

Fellow wailers, make your submissions.

-Lord

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STFUareyouG0d:
stop quoting me Pvssy N****

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It's a public forum, if you can't handle the heat, don't get close to the fire.

-Lord

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STFUareyouG0d:
just keep running your thumbs. But please make sure we don't catch you. Please. Cuz if we do ehn, you'll know who the real loser is


Bye GayLord

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-Lord

[quote author=Presh900 post=50648336][/quote]Coward! Probable Sociopath!

Too weak to insult now? You cowering behind a lady?

Haha.

Looks like the cat got your tongue.

Hey pvssy (STFUareyouG0d), give Presh900 back his tongue.

All of you opinion marshals, you met someone better than you now.

I have a right to my opinion, and you LOSERS can suck it!

-Lord

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STFUareyouG0d:
I hope you know you will suffer same fate with gays if you keep encouraging people to break the law? We will catch you all

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Keep trying, LOSER!

You've lost here, you've lost offline. Hitler killed 6 million jews during WW2. Yet the Jews got back up and said "in your face nigga."

You can't be worse than Hitler. You can't do worse than that.

So, pending whenever you summon the courage to become an anti-gay vigilante, like the jobless mofo you are--IN YOUR FACE B*TCH!

-Lord

STFUareyouG0d:
dude, no place in Nigeria for you and your likes (gays). Don't you get it? It's not part of us. If you can't cope with the laws of the country go where the law suits you. Is that too hard to understand? You want us to bend our laws for you? Impossible mehnnnnnn

If you've been practicing it, make sure you don't get caught. Cuz if we catch you ehn....... our kerosene, tyre and lighter always ready


Don't say we didn't warn you
Konkobility!

Yea, kill 'em coz they're not like you.

You must feel good about yourself!

Well, I ain't gay, so I got nothing to worry about. But it doesn't stop me from voicing out my opposition to your opinion.

If you can't take that too, then well that's not my problem.

Have a nice day!

-Lord

[quote author=musicwriter post=50641242][/quote]Maybe one day on a related topic or over some cold drinks we'd discuss it at length.

But here's the thing, cutting off from the West totally and still making in on the planet is impossible. Even China trades with US. Russia sells oil to Western Europe. These are the two arch-enemies of the West.

But whatever you say mate. It's cool you know a lot about African history, which is more than can be said for most Nigerians. But when you put it in perspective in world history. Sub-Saharan Africa is at the bottom. Always has been!

We now have the have the chance to project ourselves on a world map, but we keep flunking!

Anyway, I hope we get there. Because that's what it just is hope. We aren't doing anything other than hope!

-Lord

Presh900:
leave thah guy.. Using his alt to praise himself

The only person who used an alt here was you.

And we know how that ended up.

By the way, I thought you weren't coming back? Too weak to stand by your words too.

Just pitiable?

Coward!

-Lord

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STFUareyouG0d:
where are they staying? iz like your head iz paining you

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It's like your eye is paining you. You think you can just wish homosexuality again because you're too weak to stomach something you don't like.

The society may think ladies are weak, but they're not. And it's immature fellas like you that make the usurpers keep the tag on.

Use your eyes and your brain.

If you can't do that. STFU or talk to your fellow wounded niggaz.

But in the meantime, get that fu*k off my face?

-Lord

Presh900:
Normal bruv,, you guyz really battered thah GayLordAdam y'day

Are you here to take your beating today?

Coward!

You lost your account, thinking you something spectacular.

Nigga your cred is destroyed!

Come on share insults like an unintelligent person interpreting like kids to mean like having sex with kids.

SalomonKane started the insults and went on a Sabbatical. You just cowed out. Why not you keep it up?

Why are you scared?

-Lord

Lsofdk:
[color=teal]We all had our fair share plunging our swords into your weak body, the war is over and we're winding off in the tavern.

but where were you?

lying in the battlefield with the last grain of life waiting for that good Samaritan to come save you or waiting for an enemy to come take the last plunge and save you the torture of watching your e-death.

farewell[/color]

BitchSlayer101:
You just nailed them one by one. Using all their alternate accounts thinking to pin you down. All these pvssy niggaz are so pained right now. Hats off to the Lord.

@Lsofdk, BitchSlayer101 said it all.

Bunch of pvssy niggaz!

Why not you share insults? Coward!

-Lord

Lsofdk:
[color=teal]checkmate! you're so fvcking predictable

lol@bolded… you've had enough.
attend to your wounds[/color]

Wounds?

You've been decimated. It's a merciless fatality.

Are you too weak to insult now?

You and the rest of you guys have been put in your place. From ravenous uncontrolled rabid splurting of expletives, all you guys now are like dogs that have lost your teeth.

Post expletives thinking you're scoring points, I'll still be here why you'll be like SalomonKane having a long, well-deserved holiday!

-Lord

Lsofdk:
[color=teal]lol hilarious, they really got to him [/color]

Look for the artistic depiction of your corpse in the image?

All I typed and that's what you got out of it?

Can't say I'm disappointed in you.

Really, I'm not. I saw it coming and for the several others who will say something along those lines. Yea well, too bad we already know you were going to say that.

Hey anyone can freely post about what they feel about the girls and what not. Everyone's got an opinion and NL is a public forum. Share it if you think you deserve to be heard.

I'm never completely out of this thread, so if you think you've got more expletives coming for me. Keep it coming. The outcome won't be different than it is now.

Share your thoughts but stay civil. It's in the rules.

-Lord

Oh and the image is for the failed and juvenile attempt of some unfortunate minds to intimidate those who have a contrary opinion.

It's 12 AM of a new day, and I've redefined what resilience is all about. What conviction in seeking to be a voice against injustice and repression of minority groups is all about.

Let this be a lesson to those who think uncivility is the answer to every argument out there. Whether it is homosexuality, religion, abortion, evolution, and what not. Uncouth demeanor will only get you served.

Stay civil.

Over and out.

-Lord

Now, for whoever who cares to listen.

I understand Nigeria is a homophobic country. At least 90% of Nigerians detest homosexuality.

And while that irks me, I understand that it's who we are for now. Maybe it'd change in the future. May it wouldn't.

But even if you detest homosexuality, you shouldn't feel hate for the individuals who have a different sexuality. You shouldn't seek to take away their liberty. In addition to the stigma, accusations, and what have you. Because they're humans too, contrary to what your religious leaders may have you believe.

They have fundamental human rights and their sexuality doesn't hurt you.

Unfortunately, homosexuality is a crime in Nigeria. And that makes the actions of the two girls in this OP brave, reckless, or an affront depending on the camp you're on.

But these aren't going away, they're here to stay. And as much as that turns your stomach. It's the present reality and denial wouldn't change it.

Now I understand most of us would have a different opinion. Most of you feel ravenous that this is even happening because of a deep-rooted conviction. As misplaced as that hate, I know we all can't think the same way, so yea you are just being human.

But no matter what you think, act civil. Mocking or doling out lots of expletives doesn't make you right. Nigerians are experts at this, but it's improper. You can make your point without all those. So please do.

On this thread I've been called unprintable names. Someone even wished I die a painful, excruciating death. Mind you I'm not even gay. Just because I am an heterosexual with a contrary opinion.

That's how low we've come as a country.

Things would have certainly gone physical if we had this discussion face-to-face. Of course, it'd go unreported. Even in SA where homosexuality is condoned, homosexuals are hunted and killed, raped (it's called correctional sex by the depraved entities who engage in this). I can't begin to imagine how many have been at the receiving end in Nigeria.

But with a nascent democracy and having a constitution that ideally should have ultimate respect of human right, we may have crossed the divide of race, religion, ethnicity, gender, but we are yet to come to terms with the many divides in sexuality.

You can detest homosexuality and still respect their rights to have their liberty. Some of us detest other religions, denominations, or sects, but we still respect the rights of the believers to have liberty.

No one is forcing you to like homosexuality. No one is forcing you to accept it.

It's all about four words.

LIVE and LET LIVE.

Hate me or anyone who doesn't share your view about homosexuality being evil all you want. Everyone's got a hater. But be decent to pass your message across without expletives, vituperations, insults and the likes. That is just uncivil.

All the best.

And do have a fruitful week ahead!

-Lord

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nubian999:
Mate it was ok at first but now what you're doing is crinch worthy. Know when it's enough. You've slept on top this thread to argue with everyone that comments.

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And you can either waka pass or talk to yourself.

Cos I don't have value for your opinion.

-Lord

lezznjr:
Not at all, bro.

He's Sunday amusement.

Says someone who is too scared to even leave an insult like he thinks is his birthright to.

How about you keep the insults coming as if it makes you right?

-Lord

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YungChorus:
mr.lezz don't let that useless fvcktard get under skin

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Don't remind him of his woes.

Live and let live.

-Lord

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QueenthDee:
okay rat, gat to go now before you press the report button....


Cry baby!!

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-Lord