₦airaland Forum

donphilopus:
Can anyone be more irresponsible than the man under whose watch Boko Haram kidnapped more than 250 girls? I'm surprised he was so quick to congratulate Trump but hasn't spoken on the release of some of the Chibok girls. Who's more irresponsible between Jonathan and Buhari?

Says someone who is supporting a child killer who oversaw army men shooting young girls in the vagina and protesters in the back and an army that murdered more than 300 people and hastily buried them in shallow graves.

Or a president that said his children are privileged to go to school abroad, and Nigerians who can't afford it should stay back. Yes, a man that could not afford presidential form can now train kids in Surrey University, UK.

A man that cannot produce his own senior school certificate.

More than 2000 people died in America in 9/11 under Bush. Hundreds died in France under Hollande. We should be talking about the Bast.ard who said aggressiveness against Boko Haram is a war against the North. Than the person who was in charge, when the Northerners orchestrated the kidnap, and the Governor of Borno state had to wait 2 weeks before formally reporting the case to the President.

And by the way, is it 250 girls, or 193 or 200, or 213? Because I can't seem to remember the right number again.

Your folly will be full soon. Murderer!

-Lord

NorthernParrot:
Mugabe my man

to hell with US and their f***ing hypocritical democracy

Oga choose a destination--North Korea, Zimbabwe, or Burundi?

Don't stay under democracy with freedom of speech and continue yarning dust.

Migrate to a place where you'll feel at home.

-Lord

donphilopus:
Jonah's election loss really pained you o..That shock is still there. So sorry for the loss though. We just had to vote the better candidate, Muhammadu Buhari.

Oga, we can see how the better candidate has turned out to be a senile, vindictive, irresponsible, uncouth, and unpresidential jihadist.

His time is coming.

-Lord

Rubbish!

Typical Afonja.

When the US denied Nigeria arms, stopped Israel from selling us arms, coerced Saudi Arabia to deny us access to fly our arms across their airspace, all under GEJ, was that the support the US gave to us?

How about the US stalling, and waiting for Oritsejafor to address Congress before designating BH as a terror group?

Always like changing history.

Or is it the paltry millions they gave to MNUTF or the scrap mine sweepers they donated to us that we should be happy about!

The US can shove it's support where the Sun does not shine.

We were doing fine with the T72 tanks from Russia, the South African mercenaries, and our gallant men, until they foisted a seni.le terrorist on us who released boko haram commanders in exchange for phantom Chibok girls. Today, we've lost gallant men like Col. Ali that expelled terrorists from Baga and the days of steady killing of our soldiers are back.

We know the silly game 'em Obamas and Clintons were playing. Trump may not be perfect, but we know he is no Obama or a Clinton. And that's a plus in our book.

We'd send these terrorists to the great beyond with or without their help. We've done it before. We'll do it again.

Their plan to demonize Trump over here has failed already. Obama foisted Buhari the failure. Both himself and Clinton are dead to us. As he leaves the White House, let him not use the Negro race to score cheap points. Because he failed Africa (from Nigeria to Libya to Egypt). He should align with his Muslim heritage. His name is Hussein, ain't that right?!

-Lord

It's politics. He is a politician. A brilliant one too.

He's not going to keep 100% of the promises he made.

But after he's done with his presidency and the few promises he keeps, America will vote another person like him to make sure most if not all the promises are kept.

People underestimate the support this guy has. Not just in America, but across the Western World.

And this thing the democrats and liberals are doing with the petitions and protests. It's a bad precedence.

Because the republicans are better at this. So, when next a democrat comes in prolly in 8, 12, or 16 years from now, the standoff between Congress and Obama will be child's play compared to what's coming.

America is fractured. The healing process will not be an easy one, but I'm rooting for them.

In other news, it's their business. Whether it's Trump or Clinton, it's American interests before any other person. Trump made that certain in his victory speech.

Nigerian-Americans are the most educated bloc in America. So, even if Trump send their asses packing, they certainly wouldn't be heading to Nigeria. UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, and many other countries will be lining up for their skills.

For the muslims, well they can go to Saudi Arabia and the Middle-East. UAE is looking good. No income taxes and shit...

Let the American people (at least the majority) make their choice. They have every right to protect their jobs and safety in any way they deem fit. And maybe we should start fixing our shi**y country, rather than putting our nose in someone else's business.

-Lord

ikennaf1:
Like the snake that they are, They already sneaked in a bill in the Senate to get that evil law across the country.

They also don't like democracy. According to them voting is haram.

It's the same thing they're attempting to do in the UK.

Thank heavens for BREXIT.

-Lord

Blue3k:
The's guys pass many Muslim nations to die on raft to get to Europe. Why don't they live among there ideological brothers in middle east. Move to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Oman, UAE or some other places like that.

Because it is all a plan succinctly supported by the same Islamic countries.

Let the Arab League care for the Islamic refugees or migrants. Dubai and Qatar can single-handedly provide the economic opportunities for these people. Saudi Arabia can sponsor them (after all, they gain every year from the Hajj). Other muslim nations can pool in together to absorb them.

While Greece and many other countries are closing their doors, some people who think they've seen enough want the opposite.

It's why BREXIT and Trump victory is just the beginning. These nonchalant and often condescending liberals can either go stay in Saudi Arabia and the war-torn Middle East or succumb to the will of the majority people in the free world.

The free world has pitched its tent. And it's against the MORTAL ENEMY of the western way of life.

-Lord

Don't mind these people.

Someone said the Muslims work as a team. I'm a firm believer of that statement.

You have the moderate Muslims playing victim and crying foul. Then you have the extremists doing the real damage.

In the end, these extremists hide in the same Muslim communities, are sponsored by the same Muslim countries, and go to the same mosques as the same so-called moderate Muslims.

And the biggest oafs are the so-called enlightened people who can't see beyond their nose. Playing into the whims and caprices of the Muslims.

It is statistically impossible for the West to vet every single Muslim immigrant thoroughly to 100% pinpoint terrorists and potential terrorists. Yet, some people just want to open the flood gates in the name of freedom of religion. It took less than 10 people to carry out the 9/11 attacks successfully. 3000+ people died. Estimates say less than 1% of the world's Muslim population are extremists, well look at what they've done.

If these extremists get away with their wish to destroy the West and invoke Sharia on the free world. Is it not the same 99% Muslims that'd live happily ever after? Do we really want to wait till then, to find out if so-called moderate Muslims would protest about how it f*cking happened?

Well, the Muslims can pray in their countries. If they're at war, other Muslim countries should take the refugees in.

A police man and his wife were killed in front of their son in France with a knife in their own home during the day time, and was recorded on Facebook live. A pregnant woman was hacked to death because of a disagreement in Germany in daylight. You can guess who the offenders were.

In Germany, sexual assaults and violence are through the roof since they opened their gates to supposed Islamic refugees. You can read about the coordinated sexual assaults by thousands of immigrant Muslims on Westerners on New Year's Eve in Germany on this Wikipedia page -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany.

And some idiota would dare call Trump a bigot because he doesn't want new Muslim immigrants in America. Let the extremists use him as an ever-green propaganda tool to get more recruits, who effing cares. After 9/11, Paris, Munich, they aren't friends. The battle line has been drawn.

The Muslims can either tackle extremism head on, or they can take their wimping asses to Jupiter, the world won't miss them. Norway, Russia, Canada, the US, South American states and African states can provide all the oil we need.

I'm not saying I don't empathize with the Muslims. It sucks to be them now. But I really can't think of the thousands of kids and women killed by the spineless roaches (even in Nigeria), and in good conscience support any policy that endangers more people of the liberal world.

Because when they get their way in the West. They become emboldened to advance to places like the South in Nigeria, other regions in India, China, Russia and other countries that are dealing with these bast.ards.

I already won't visit any deadbeat majorly conservative Islamic country, even with a gun to my head. I want to feel safe walking the streets of London, Paris, or New York without looking over my back, thinking that someone somewhere is trying to cut off my head with a knife (it happened to soldiers in London), or ram a truck into a crowd (it happened in France).

This can become a chicken and egg story of who started what first (The West killing civilians as collateral damage when searching for terrorists, or the terrorists targeting Westerners because they hate Western way of life). But let's just keep it simple. The average Muslim detests the way of life of Westerners and would prefer to live under Sharia. That's exactly what the terrorists desire too. Only that the terrorists are willing to kill for it.

There is an apt African proverb to describe this. "He who fetches firewood infected with ants invites lizards to his house."

-Lord

PS: Don't quote me to type trash. I will not dignify you with a response.

I don't get this.

So, your preferred candidate lost an election, the losing candidate congratulated the winner, and you're protesting. What's the point?

Who are the uneducated people now? Clinton supporters or Trump supporters?

-Lord

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-Lord

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SirShymexx:
LordAdam

I don't think you have an understanding of the subject matter. Honestly, a lot of you don't, hence I don't bother most times. I'll post this last comment and leave it there.

Nelson Mandela like most black leaders/people, he was a simp – hence he sold out his people, for hero-worship in the west. Nelson Mandela isn’t a good example to cite cos he’s the reason why his people are the way they’re. Black South Africans (if coloured population is added to their population) make up almost 90% of the population, yet almost 90% of the South African economy/wealth is owned by the whites. Evidently, the Nelson Mandela example is a terrible one.

I don't even think you know the history of Haiti, Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean countries you cited and how they're governed. Haiti's history is deep. And all the Caribbean countries you cited are till indirectly under British rule - with the Queen as the head of those countries.

American independence has no correlation whatsoever with black folks. A bunch of renegade ethnic Brits, Irish, and a few other European with the support of the French in Canada and African slaves – fighting again their homeland for the total control of their new abode – has no correlation whatsoever with the struggle of black folks.

Lagos isn’t a success story and a terrible example. Any overpopulated shytehole with the concentration of almost all the resources in a country that has some natural resources. I bet you don’t know that cities like Cairo, Algiers, Cape Town, and J’burg have higher GDP than Lagos. And apart from Cairo, which as overpopulated as Lagos – the rest are decent cities and they represent what thriving cities ought to look like. If you understand economics, you’d know that Lagos on the other hand is a shytehole and a human disaster and what a city shouldn’t be.

What did Fulanis do to Yorubas in Ilorin that’s comparable to 400 years of killing, raping, maiming, and dehumanisation of a people – while using them for free labour? What happened in Ilorin is similar to how the US took California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona etc. from Mexico – or how the UK has Northern Ireland under it – no correlation whatsoever with what we’re discussing. I honestly doubt you understand the history of Ilorin, and/or the subject matter.

And no, South Americans don’t practise pure Catholicism – they practise a hybrid form of it, with African religions. They created their own based on the convergence of the different cultures they’ve there.

Anyway, I’ll stop here cos I don’t think you have a proper grasp of the complexities of the problems plaguing Africans and black folks in general. It’s deeper than the simplistic way you’re looking at it. And even if you were to wake up tomorrow and kill all the corrupt folks and kow-tow to while folks – the problems are still going to be there. When you look at the foundation – you’ll see how effed up most African countries are – compared to, say, European countries. Evidently, things are never going to change – unless you appoint a brutal totalitarian with one-track mind, albeit with a good vision, to put everything in order. And he has to rule for at least 40 years lool.

But regardless, personally, I neither give a shyte about white folks nor rate them for anything. History is just there never to be forgotten and to solve ya problems, you always have to be cognizant about ya and how it affects ya existence.

Well, you do have a right to view past events how you deem fit. Or fail to see a connection, when it is glaring.

I have my objections to your statements, but I'm not getting on another tail-chasing run. (For example, are Cairo and Algiers black cities? Were J'Burg and Cape Town not developed by the whites and are being run aground by the blacks who only started holding sway in the 1990s? Let me just stop here...)

Especially, when your solution to African's problem is the statement in bold.

That just makes me want to throw up! And probably question your intelligence (no offense), because we have at least 15 totalitarian regimes at anytime in sub-Saharan Africa, and the countries they preside over are even worse shit.holes than other sub-Saharan African countries.

Apparently, you've resigned to the fact that Africa can't become developed, you can't think of a doable way to change the tide, so you take up the convenient task of taking aim at the Europeans just to feel good about yourself.

Good Lord! Is there a better definition of FAILURE.

Happy Sunday all the same.

-Lord

OPCNAIRALAND:
^^^
There are some embellishments in your response which, beside mentioning awareness, Im not going to dig into since they are not principal to the theme under discussion.

Social order is a first and fundamental principle of society. It is the framework that nation building, and ultimately, development and progress rest on.

At one point in their history the Asian examples you stated spoke the language of their colonial lords. Their social heirarchy was modeled after their colonial master's. Their academies were Eurocentric. Today these countries have subordinated the colonial civilization to home grown philosophies. Language, art, knowledge, worship, dress mode, cinema...have all found outlet in indigenous tongues and customs. This simply is the first step in rebirth. The second stage of their transformation is borrowed, again out of their indigenous principles, that humanity is one and diversity yields evolution.

So whatever gains is attributed to the new age in Asia is founded in their revolutionary change for recognition and elevation of indigeneous ancestry.

Ahmadinejad is fluent in English language and French, yet during his term as President speaks Farsi when on international engagement.

India began to exercise policies aimed at rebirthing itself, Pakistan and Bangladesh found it incompatible and went separate ways.

You might contend that Brazil is at par with India and still speaking colonial language. This is so because India was before England colonized it, whereas there was nothing known as Brazil before its colonization by Portuguese. Again, indigenization...in other words ancestry, ....is the framework around which any society can hope to reinvent and emerge as a respectable member of human society.

Yoruba has a philosophy that is reinventable. We must first indigenize ourselves. This is the mission the new Ooni has started. He is not condemning others, but he talks everyday about Yoruba language and unification of the Sixteen principles of ancestry. He knows what he is doing. Within the Sixteen principles are the Sovereign Crowns (Nationhood), Ifa Theology (Philosophy), deity worship (Divinity), urbanism (Diversity), art (Scholarship), and so on and so forth....

Each ethnic people waking up to its own reinvention accumulates to a new consciousness and awakening that self-evolve and gradually sheds the undesirable aspects stereotypical to Black lives and societies.

And you conveniently ignored my reference to South American countries that necessarily didn't tow the path of Asia, but are also edging closer to full-blown industrialization.

Asia and Africa has many parallels that'd make whatever you're proposing difficult to implement. India has perhaps the most diverse number of ethnicities, but they've got a unifying factor in Hinduism (the Mughals and the British weren't able to erode their religion). Hindi, the language stayed, and it's one of the reason for the cultural re-awakening and identification with their brilliant past.

China had to outlaw religions as one of their core reasons to get their act right. They maintained the Chinese language. And when you have 1 billion speakers of one language, it is hard not to develop your common heritage.

Should I talk about the Japanese, the Koreans, the Malaysians (with malay), or Pakistanis (Muslims of Indian descent)?

Way before the Europeans came to Asia, these people already had their identity. There was already a China, a Japan, a Korea. The Indian sub-continent halted the onslaught of Alexander the great way before Christianity was a thing.

There is nothing in all of sub-Saharan Africa to compare with those. Nigeria started existing in 1914. We don't speak Nigerian. We have more than 200 ethnicities and the big 3 justling for attention. We don't even have a unifying religion of old like Shintoism in Japan, Confucianism in China, or Hindu in India. We don't even have a Nigerian style of dressing.

Most countries over here are fabrications with zero unifying factor. So don't look at Asia and think we can just replicate what is happening over there by batting your eyelid. Maybe if Nigeria divides into regions, we can attempt to be like Asian and Europe in this respect.

But I don't see that happening, so we've got to look at the people who are a lot like us, but are doing great for themselves--South America. Either that, or we craft a unique African response to the myriad of problems we have. Don't say we can't, because we have all we need.

-Lord

ISpiksDaTroof:
Excuse you?

It's an error.

You probably got that.

But thanks for pointing that out, I'll edit my post.

Happy Sunday!

-Lord

OPCNAIRALAND:
LordAdam and Sir Shymmex,
The African situation is a big and complex issue. To solve complex issue the evident problem must first be identified, the root of the problem should be located. This is diagnosis. Next is to see if a solution is possible and realistic. This is done by studying the chronology of the system...its past. If it worked efficiently at one time, it can work efficiently again after resuscitation. Then a solution path is drafted to begin the recovery. Next a pilot program, or model, is built to demonstrate the possibility and document process. A communication goes out to get buy in from those it will affect. At last the implementation begins. Finally the problem solves.

In Africa we are yet to even identify on the surface why our development is retarded and what are its roots.

Using Yorubaland as a simple model, since this is what Im familiar with, our problem lies in mis-identification. In other words, we are living with the wrong identificatiin for ancestry.

Ancestry is used here as the over-arching tenet for spiritualism, customs, worship, language, state, and sovereingty.

Yorubaland has shifted away from Adamuism to Eurocentrism, but we are not of European anestry, so why live like oyibo? At one point Adamuism worked for us effectively, out of one we produced many sovereingty and established a social order and civilization that ruled lands far and beyond. Is it recoverable? Today we live underneath a social order central to lands far away from us. Pathetic!

Lets discuss and use Yorubaland as a model for recovery. There should not be a English speaking Yoruba in Nigeria and Ghana and a French speaking Yoruba in Benin and Togo....we should just have Yoruba speaking sovereingties, period!

What is the template to adopt and realize this as a a mini objective and building block into the much larger challenge of resuscitating Black consciousness across the globe? Share thoughts.

We've not even being able to fully capture what the problem is. Nelson Mandela knew, and he was right that it wasn't all about demonizing the Whites, bad as they may be!

Africa needs to let go. Not forget. Let go.

We can't progress if we don't confront our past, forgive our former adversaries, and see them as partners in our new journey to Elysia. Asia and South America did not get to where they are now without the West. Yes, the same people that fuc*ed them up so badly.

And it's a terrible trait we possess. Even in Nigeria, we don't teach history about the civil war. No one wants to talk about the Asaba massacre. No one wants to confront the past. No one wants to talk about the fact that sixty years ago, our fathers and grand fathers shut down our humanity as we let millions of fellow Africans starve to death. The new generation are so eager to even put more blood on their hands.

Yes, we have many justifications for our actions. But am sure we can look them in the eye and say it was worth it six decades later? When it clearly is not. And we can't even bridge the gap, get behind it, and court their help in moving the country forward. This is just Nigeria. In SA, after Nelson went off the scene, it's back to angling the whites. What have the SA blacks gained? Your guess is as good as mine.

The US and the UK have a special relationship today. It wasn't so rosy when America was fighting for its independence. After WW2, the Germans got a Marshall Plan that was well managed. Without it, Germany may not have become the cornerstone of the European economy today. Ditto for Japan. Former foes became allies, and former write-offs became the shining stars.

And over here, we're still talking about speaking Yoruba. What is the lingua franca in most South American countries? But look at Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru... Doing better than most of sub-Saharan Africa.

Whenever the fools at AU come together, it's always about the we against them mentality. And then they sell their skewed version of pan-Africanism to the gullible populace to hide their complacency, stupidity, crassness, and total inability to act as functional human beings.


Look at the leaders of the two biggest sub-Saharan economies? Complete mofos. And you say African situation is complex. If it is so complex, why are countries like Ghana, Kenya, and Botswana acting like they are close to the solution while others are acting like they are so comfortable with where they are.

Look at Lagos, why is it fast-becoming a success story, without Yoruba being the dominant language, and it receiving investments from every corner of the globe, including the West that your ilk say are out worst enemies.

That we don't realize that everyone's got an interest is bewildering. China is not giving us those loans for free. EU wants to maintain dominance. So if we want to take a seat at the table, we've got to fight for it. It wouldn't be handed to us on a platter.

If you say wrong identification with ancestry is our problem, why are we yet to fix that? We do have the power to make our own laws right? Why don't we have a Yoruba day or Hausa day or Igbo day. Or state-funded research institutes into our ancestry and ancient civilizations in Nigeria (it's not just the job of history professors in our tertiary institutions). I'm sure it's the Whites too holding us back right?

We are just a bunch of clueless people who like running in different directions, because we are so scared to come together, look each other in the eye and tell ourselves the blunt truth--that the African problem needs an African solution. And that this solution requires the commitment of other global entities (because no one is an Island), which we can't get by sling shotting, but by carefully making, following and actualizing a plan for this purpose. Which is the exact opposite of what we doing. In fact, that's not really accurate. We're not doing anything really.

Pan-Africanism got to a fiery start. Now it's going in so many directions, it looks like a divergent beam from a torchlight.

Even if the whole Africa can't and won't get together for a sit-down, what's stopping the largest black country on the planet from seizing the initiative. And then let others join the train or perish.

Anyway, I've gone long enough. Let's keep looking for phantom problems, like language, religion, culture, or what have you as the perfect scape goat to pin our massive failure on. And let's just forget that other people under similar circumstances have and are doing great.

Most of South America speak Spanish, practice Catholicism, and only trace heritage to long forgotten civilizations like the Aztecs, the Mayans et cetera. Yet it didn't stop them from seeking and actualizing massive development.

A people that want to succeed will succeed, regardless of the odds they face. Let's stop making excuses and start finding solutions. Scratch that, workable solutions, not irrational solutions like eroding a standing lingua franca, or being an economic island (yea, some people propose that we don't do business with the West because they're so evil).

-Lord

SirShymexx:
I think the mistake folks who have your outlook make is that: they look at things from the simplistic side of things, without taking time out to analyse things and look beyond the cover. Yes, individually, just like everyone else - you can make personal adjustment against it, albeit you can't escape some elements of it. However, collectively, things haven't really changed but the chains and over dehumanisation are gone.

Let's start with the biggest reason why Africa is so underdeveloped and backward. You'd see that the colonial maps, neo-colonialism/imperialism, and mis-education are the biggest problems in Africa - not corruption and bad leadership. Corruption and bad leadership are the bastard offspring of the three-headed dragon that I listed. See with corruption, there's no country that isn't corrupt. Heck, most enlightened folks would argue that the US is most corrupt country in world (most of the folks running the show in the US are utterly corrupt including folks like Bill Gates who's using his foundation as a front to "charitable" causes to enrich himself and we all know what the Clintons use their foundation for). But that hasn't stopped it from being the best country in the world. And bad leadership is due to neo-colonial imposition cause of neo-colonialism, structure of the colonial maps, and mis-education of the people. So, you can't solve these problems without the legacies of the dark past. That's what a lot of folks don't understand. Evidently, collectively there's still a BIG problem, but individually, you can always do better - albeit it won't change anything.

Now, let me discuss the west cos that's my experience. You can come to the west as African and do whatever it takes to make it, including slaving it up and trying to fit in. However, that doesn't negate the fact that collectively, the black population has been systematically effed up and boxed in - and that has been going on for generations. Yes, the chains and overt forms of it are long gone. But that doesn't negate what is going on.

I was checking the list of the murder capitals in the US recently and it wasn't shocking that all the top-20 cities are cities with huge black population. You might look at it from a simplistic view that these black folks just love killing one another. However, someone who understands what's going on know what's going on cos they're not the one making the guns. You've to look back and start with what happened when slavery ended and how all slaves were let go without giving them anything or rehabilitation. They all ended up in the slums. Surprisingly after that, they created the police to arresting homeless and unemployed folks. So, in effect, they criminalised them after slavery. Now, fast forward to the 60s when they started fighting for civil rights and how the black folks started moving to bigger cities for employment. This triggered black folks forming groups in the new cities they moved to defend themselves against white gangs. Later, white flight, which comes with having too many black folks in an area started happening. And the civil right groups they formed were reined in. The 70s came, the Reagan era, and crack cocaine and guns were flooded into black neighbourhoods to fund illegal US wars oversea. Then the killings started. And they decided to further criminalise them with drug laws that targeted the dealers, not the user. The trend continued since then and has moved from the US to other black diaspora communities in the West cos they all have a lot in common.

^^^Up there, I just gave you three layers of systematic destruction against black folks. Individually, you can escape it - but collectively, it's deeper than what you think it's. Regardless, we as a people have to do better. However, when you talk about the elephant in the room - it isn't about trying to play victim, it's about saying it as it's. Other folks don't have it bad and that's the honest truth. So, you can't compare the black struggle to those of the Japanese, Jews, Koreans, etc.

Oh dear, you just like passing the blame on to someone else right! Like others should be perfect. Or the whites should be benevolent gods from Asgard to the blacks?

Listen to yourself!

What are the Fulanis doing in Nigeria? Yes, to fellow black people.

I don't think the black man has the moral right to ask for any correctionism, when we've been so eff*ng shameful at doing the basic thing of respecting each other.

And I don't need lengthy write-ups to prove that.

The Jews have endured more than any black ethnicity on the planet, so your example is in poor taste. It started around 3000 BC (Egypt) and extended all the way to 1945 (Western Europe), and you dare compare them to a three century old slave trade with undeniable influence from blacks.

What about Haiti, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados and the likes? Are they great model of governance? After all, the blacks built the structures in the countries and have been managing it since.

Asia and South America experienced the three-headed dragon. The Europeans were just as ruthless in Asia as they were in Africa. So what exactly is your excuse for Asia moving on, and Africa remaining in the back-burner.

This 'they're at fault' rhetoric is getting nauseating. We've been playing it since 1960. Of all the major names that championed Pan-Africanism after being educated by the whites to be independent and strive for self-actualization, how many built model societies. I can only look at Robert Kaunda. Perhaps the most famous, Nkrumah started a dictatorship. Let's not talk about Azikiwe.

So, what is the excuse? Really what is it?

What the Whites did in America to the blacks is what the Fulanis did to the Yorubas in Illorin. Prolly worse even. I'm not saying the Whites get a pass because they can do no wrong. But we need to stop this hypocrisy.

It's always their fault. It's the devils fault. It's our leaders fault. When are we ever at fault? Never.

And you call what you just wrote "saying it as it is"? That's not what this is. This is giving an excuse for failure.

Yes, we've failed. We will keep failing. And there's no hope at the end of the tunnel, because knowledgeable and enlightened minds by yourself keep giving in to the old blackmail tactic of blaming the whites for all our predicaments.

Keep it up! It has been working for the past six decades right? Keep 'saying it as it is.' Maybe, you're going to get the UN to ask the West to rebuild Africa for free, while you're at it. And probably get the entire world to set up a trust fund for Africans, because we are so inept at taking charge of our future.

With the second largest populated continent, being the most gifted continent with natural resources, and having a rich diversity to draw from; we are still the joke of the world. It's a shame that we let ourselves remain shackled with all we've got. And you need me to give you a standing ovation?

Well, get it from your fellow pity-party comrades. I'm going to amputate myself before I jam my hands together for that irresponsible plot.

Seriously, this is just irritating. I can't ask you to change your views. You can keep creating monsters and targets for your deadbeat hoi polloi to throw darts at, while you guys remain a liability to the planet. That's your call to make.

Africa has a long way to go, and I'm afraid your ideology is another reason why! When you guys are ready to stop the irresponsible blame games, you can call my attention. Until then, happy sling-shotting.

So long, mate.

Have a great weekend.

-Lord

ayokellany:
Your father should mark today's date. It is from this day henceforth your entire household will perish.

You poor bitter soul.

It's a pity you think your words hold weight.

Karma is real. And it'd come for you if you don't change your ways.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Murtala Mohammed and his cohorts suffered horrible fates. It'd be a shame if you think you'd escape it, when you're doing exactly as they did.

-Lord

SirShymexx:
This isn't about pity-party, it's about not forgetting what they have done and are still doing. And the fact that folks don't care about the experience and what the generational dehumanisation has done to us, is the reason why they're still fvcking us up.

Look at the Jews and how they'll never forget the holocaust. Even in China: they teach all their kids about the opium wars and how white folks effed them up. Never forget.

You have a point about not forgetting history. I don't forget about history. I don't expect any true sub-Saharan African to ever forget. But it should not be yoke over us that stymies us from pressing forward.

Israel and the US (with the largest population of Jews outside Israel) still do business with Germany. China may have their differences with Japan and the West, but they trade with them, and even invest there. China is the largest oversea creditor of the US.

Politics and development shouldn't be Siamese twins. Every type of political system (whether democracy, monarchy, or communism) on the planet has at least one model country that is developed. So, we can't use our apathy of the slave trade and brutal colonial past as a reason not to shake hands and move our region forward.

Personally, I've placed that behind me. Maybe, it's easier for me because it's been generations since slave trade ended. But I look around the world, and I see everyone has moved on. Everyone is moving to greater heights, while sub-Saharan Africa is holding the tabs for only God knows what. And passing the buck isn't going to change anything.

You know why?

Because passing the buck hasn't changed anything yet. I'm not certain, doing it for another half a century will change anything.

If you are waiting for a Marshall Plan from the West for Africa. I hate to break it to you, it's not coming. It's why I call this a pity-party.

If it isn't a pity party, then we should be as developed as Asia and then keep the rhetoric going. It'd be more tolerable then.

Do you know that there is a strong apathy between the people of Hong Kong and those of Mainland China? Want to experience it first hand? Speak Mandarin in a store in Hong Kong...

Yet, these places are far developed than anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa (including South Africa).

Or should we talk about the apathy between India and Pakistan. China and many of its neighbors (Japan, Malaysia). These guys have the memory of an elephant. But in spite of all these, these countries are in a better position than 99% of countries in sub-Saharan Africa.

This is exactly why I call what we've been doing for the past 60 years a pity-party. And why we need a wake up call.

The world is tired of feeling sorry for a people who can yell aloud about how their resources (both human and natural) were pillaged for centuries, while let our own leaders launder at least $45b every year from the continent. And live in crisis-, disease-, hunger-infested, and underdeveloped climes.

-Lord

SirShymexx:
No, you can't absolve Europeans from the crimes they committed against black folks cos it's still on-going, albeit covert these days. That was the dehumanisation and pillaging of over 20 generations of black folks and generations of free labour and utter destruction. And we built everything they own today. The worst treatment in the history of humanity. However, unlike other folks, they never paid us reparations. So, they will never get a pass for what they did and white guilt will haunt them till they all perish.

The useless aids they send is for neo-colonialism and more of a Greek gift, than anything anyone should laud. For every $1million they give out in aid - they take $1billion back. That's the reality.

Regardless, the West African kings who ruled from the 17th century to the 20th century will never get a pass from me.They were all cowardly despots like the terrible leaders running around Africa today. And the folks were just as effed up as the white-washed black African folks we've running around today. Those from that era willingly joined the white man in destroying their problems cos most of the foot soldiers they used back then were Africans - just as the coons we've running around today.

Here's the news flash mate, they don't need anyone's pass.

We can either rise from the ashes like a Phoenix and give this world a resounding success story to talk about akin to the Asian and South American countries, or we can just sit our ass down and keep waiting for an apology!

Our choice. Your choice. I've made my choice long ago. I'm not going to throw a pity party for myself, or anyone for that matter.

I'm leaving my mark whether Sub-Saharan Africa chooses to tow the same part or not.

-Lord

sweetgala:
China would sweat them into favourable trade deals , America would never be able to close it's doors to China made products or did the transfer of manufacturing to China like so many idiots who believe trump.

We're saying the same thing.

America will make deals with China at their expense and the loan will be thrown off.

You should also keep it in mind that China also has its own debts, reported to be around $4.3 trillion. I'm curious to know how big it'd be when they've held their current ranking for ten more years.

And by the way, China's share of America's $19.2 trillion dollar debt is only 7% ($1.3 trillion). U.S. citizens and entities own 67.5% of the debt. [Source]

So you need to take a chill pill. Everyone borrows heavily!

-Lord

SirShymexx:
Lol, why are you always emotional every time I cite Egba in my posts, like I'm not 1/4 Egba?

You can whinge all you want, but you can't wipe out the 1/4 Egba blood flowing in my veins and arteries. And you definitely won't stop me from telling the truth.

People don't like being told the truth about themselves. They get unnecessarily agitated, emotional, and defensive.

It's not a fun trait. It's like how we in the South like telling ourselves that we are more educated than the North, but yet the North keeps beating us in the game of politics.

What's the use of the education, if the supposed uneducated folks still use us as mops?

Peeps should learn to be objective. It pays. Its why many countries are able to do the reforms they do.

-Lord

SirShymexx:
Personally, in as much as I believe that majority of black folks who were enslaved in the new world were captured and a lot of them were already in the Americas, coupled with the ones they took from Europe, after black rule in Iberia collapsed - I think if we're going to call out white for folks for the crimes they committed during slavery, the kings complicit in the act, shouldn't get a pass. They're the reason why we're effed up today as black folks cos if they had shown the type of faux-bravery/power they used in ruling their people to take the war to white folks when they came back for colonisation - we'd be better off today.

They all sold folks for stupid shyte, but when the real war came to defend their kingdoms against colonisation - they couldn't fight. Only Ethiopia was able to fight them off. Ditto those in Kongo, albeit they took heavy losses and later caved in.

Only Akitoye might get a pass from me cos he tried to stop slavery. However, the vested interests denied him.

Personally, I don't fault the Europeans. There is nothing the Europeans did that we have not done to ourselves over and over again.

In the height of the Bini empire, a dead Oba was buried with the heads of 2,000 slaves. These slaves were people after sacking a community or after war.

More powerful empires colonized less powerful empires. It has always been the ways of old. Japan colonized China and Korea at some point.

Although the animosity is still there, everyone has moved past that and are getting ahead with their economies (that are now trillion dollar economies by the way) and leaving the terrible events that characterize colonial rule for the history books.

Over here in Africa, we don't want to let it fly, because somehow we believe the rules for us should be different. That India, China that were colonized as late as 70 years ago and are now bigger than the economies of the countries that colonized them are not countries like us.

In fact, our Black chiefs and rulers share equal blame for whatever the colonialists did. And I don't believe black folks are enamored because of the massive slave trade. We are enamored because we're fuc*ed up naturally. It's been 60+ years after the end of the colonial era, why are we still so screwed up as a people.

Why can't we see that as something to spruce us to surprise them. Jews died in their millions during WW2. Today, they have the highest per human capita of any ethnicity on the planet.

Or is it the Japanese and Germans that were humiliated (both in reality and in kind) in WW2 (Germans twice in WW1 and WW2). Until recently, Japan was the dominant economy in Asian, while Germany is still the dominant economy in Europe. It took both countries less than 35 years to get back on their feet.

Maybe we can keep passing the buck about, or we can just seize the bull by the horn. Even Ethiopia and Afghanistan that both have the enviable record of never losing any prolonged battle against outside invaders are far worse than Indians that were pillaged by the Alexander, then the Mughal muslims, then the British.

The Europeans have done more than enough to pay back for their atrocities in Africa. They still send us aid, while our leaders stack our common wealth and same aid in their banks. They gave us bloodless independence. There's limited discrimination (that is decreasing by the day) on the World stage. What the Bleep have we used these privileges for?

-Lord

OPCNAIRALAND:
Very well said!

In fact, Kosoko purchased back slaves from Bahia, a feat never done by any other King involved in slavery. He purchased back slaves who had learnt artisan trades and commissioned beautification of Lagos. Much of their works were destroyed in the bombardment.

Let's just say, his brash nature was just a kink in his personality.

Personally, I don't hold brutality against kings of old. Brutality (killing family members, carrying out genocides, quashing dissent ruthlessly) was one of the most effective ways to command respect and allegiance.

It's more about what they did for their state economy-wise. Queen Victoria, the Sun King, even Napoleon were all ruthless rulers. But no one can fault their contributions to the greatness of their respective empires and dynasties.

Even the Persian King that outlawed slavery across his empire was not kind to his adversaries.

-Lord

SirShymexx:
Not debating if what he did was special or not. When you you wipe out ya own extended family, including women and kids, especially 2,000 folks out of less than 50,000 people (I doubt the population of Eko back then was up to 50,000) - you can't get a pass from me. Also, all those kings back then who gladly sold their own people to white men, in return for nonsense, can't get any pass from me. All of them were cowards cos when the white man brought war to them - they all crumbled under pressure and were either captured, killed, or exiled. I don't rate these folks.

Truth!

They are no different than the so-called leaders we have today. Fu*k up your fellow country men, but sit like a puppy against the white man (whether it is the West or Arabians).

-Lord

SirShymexx:
I honestly don't see anything special about Kosoko and all the Yoruba kings of that era who were involved in selling their own folks to the white men. Didn't you see how he wiped out his own extended family (over 2000 souls) cos of the crown? What type of wicked animal is that especially when you put in consideration the total population of the people back then.

I honestly don't think white folks feared him - they just knew he was a power-drunk blood thirsty psycho who would kill anyone for the sake of it. He was also a coward, hence his arse took off to Epe, on his knees, before he was given asylum there under the protection of the Awujale. Why did he run when they came for that arse?

Anyway, the only telling thing in his story is that: the Egbas were very instrumental in his defeat. The Egbas during that era had the best relationship with the brits cos they were supplying them munitions and war strategy - in return for their loyalty. Hence they were the first Yorubas to fully accept Christianity. And they also helped in spreading Christianity all over Yorubaland.

It was the times.

From the banks of Eko to the banks of the River Nile to Europe, the rest of the New World and Asia. New kings often killed off the competition, else they'd have their head on a plate someday.

So Kosoko's case is not something special. I think the King of Nembe who sacked a colonial outpost, kidnapped the whites, and ate them (when his demands were not meant) was more forward. But he too felt the full wrath of the Great British Empire.

It is very important to read history with a considerate lens.

-Lord

OlujobaSamuel:
you brought Africa into the subject, I never did, I can't tow your school of thought by giving me what suits your opinion.
Anyway, argument is in most cases useless, the participants often have equal momentum at the opposite ends.
Shalom Bro.

We already have monarchies and autocracies in sub-Saharan Africa.

If you are saying that those forms of government would be better than democracy for Nigerians, then you should show that other countries in the same region (sub-Saharan Africa) are doing fine with either form of government.

If you can't show that, then your hypothesis is flawed.

-Lord

thedarksider:
i tut you called it a zoo...now,its a democracy??... ....

It's the wrong form of democracy, that's why it is a zoo.

But we can't throw the baby away with the baby water. That we're even talking about changing our form of democracy is commendable. We can make it better.

You want a complete system overhaul. And that is simply not possible.

-Lord

thedarksider:
migrate to europe

-the darkside

We are already in a democracy. N I'm one of the vocal proponents for restructuring and adopting full-on federal democracy.

It's you that want monarchy or dictatorship that needs to emigrate. Because those forms of governments are gone for good.

OBJ tried it and failed. Buhari is trying it and it WILL fail.

-Lord

OlujobaSamuel:
China and Sing. was turned around through autocratic means, what do you have to say about that?
you are making it sound as though those systems are other names for the devil. The last i checked, all are with pro & cons, yet our democracy is even sharing the disadvantages of those systems.

I said countries in sub-Saharan Africa.

Because you made it sound like democracy cannot work in Africa.

Communism is working in China but it is not working in North Korea (same Asia).

Dictatorship worked for Singapore, but democracy worked for Hong Kong and South Korea (same Asia).

So democracy can work in Nigeria if it is working in Kenya, Botswana, Ghana.

We just have to tweak the system to work for us.

Everyone here will agree that the first republic when we had three regions headed by three sages (Ahmadu Bello, Awolowo, and Azikiwe) was the best period of Nigerian history followed by the 16 years of democratic rule in 1999 till date. If the military had not bleeped things up, Nigeria would have been a model state by now.

-Lord

OlujobaSamuel:
how many can boast of our population and resources? also, how many of them put tribe or religion ahead of the nation in ranking?

Don't answer my question with a question.

Give an answer, then state your question.

-Lord

thedarksider:
na you dey mind am..he want true bla bla,but likes the black-market.....they are double-faced mofos........

democracy is a joke!.....

Take a flight to Zimbabwe or North Korea!

-Lord