chieveboy: This is owing to human nature and anything material. If it is not constantly renewed, supervised, monitored and all, it gets old (corrupt).
Also, some cannot accept or access truth until presented by an authority, figure or institution. Truth in itself requires not all of that.
It's a problem of the material universe.
I don't think giving agency to what is essentially a lie is a problem of the material universe. Sounds more like a problem people invented to shortchange themselves.
Right, don't let someone else tell you your worth unless the someone else is the god I believe in then it is ok to let someone else tell you your worth. LoLz.
Dtruthspeaker: When you travel to your village are the evidence of your travel still on the highway?
I have never spent 40 years traveling to my village so there is no chance I would leave the kind of evidence people who have lived in the same place for 40 years would have.
chieveboy: Man by default loves life (is good) but has capacity to play out the converse of good. We have it in us.
How the above means is in the case where a kid cries for the Christmas chicken when it's being slaughtered. Even some adults cannot use the knife to take the chickens life.
Is that really so that man is good (and bad) by default? :
Yes.
Why "yes"?
Well, we look into the big laboratory of facts and life around us:
Sweden is noted to be one of the most atheist countries, such countries happen to be the most peaceful and compliant with the '10 commandments'.
Lesson: Love is actually the main business, not religion or believe in any deity. We have it by default.
This is actually the "God" you've been hearing of in the practical and real sense. Religions merely had it mixed up and replaced with ETs.
Ok so it's basically dressing what is very much human capacity in religious garb.
The perfect setup for if you fail, the failure is yours but if you succeed, the success is from the god. LoLz.
Why not just own the entire process and take responsibility? Why do you need to attribute your successes to something else? Or for those who blame the devil, blame someone else for your failures?
Totally your job. You said my assessment of David Icke as a mishmash artist is wrong yet failed to provide substantive evidence to the contrary. Your assertion that I need to read the 3 books to 'get it' further proves my assessment as correct, David Icke is a master of mishmashing fictional tropes.
Funny how you've responded more than 3 times now and no chapter recommendations till now. Wouldn't it have been easier to give that to shut me up or even prove i don't have the books? Bwahahahahaha!
If you’re interested in his work, read his books like everyone else, and make the same connections millions of his readers have made.
It is your job since you tried to say he made accurate predictions in his writings. I am not going to read 3 books full of a mishmash of fictional tropes just to confirm what YOU said.
You have the books so why is it so hard to say which chapter at least.
Good. This is me declaring the objectivity of whatever purtanism is. Cheers![/quote]Yeah whatever purtanism is, if it exists then its existence is objective. We can say this about anything we are yet to discover. It's not the gotcha you think it is.
chieveboy: "How do I know it is objectively existing" is what you should ask lol. You can't throw me away out of the 'agreement' and still ask me if it exists. What we don't know is not objective na. Objectivity is actually arrived at by a (substantial) Collective.
OK. I don't argue with solipsists or enter solipsistic traps so have a good one.
chieveboy: Exactly. Depending on my mental state, I could come back and tell you "sorry I thought your wrote...." instead.
I also could have visual issues and not be able to read them entirely. So I am reading what you wrote by depending heavily on the quality of my visual 'perceptors' and the capacity of my mind to interpret and make meaning of what you wrote.
What you wrote hence is not universal as you will have it, and the idea of objectivity is becoming a mere agreement to accept...
I am not asking about your perception of the words, I mean the words themselves. Are they objectively existing outside of your perception?
chieveboy: Exactly, it's why I said all we've been branding as reality or objectivity all the while is merely us agreeing to label our limited views (of larger and broader object, perspective or experience) as being objective and real in the sense of the word while it is not.
So these words that I wrote and you are reading are not objectively the same?
budaatum: To illustrate. I thought I knew how my opponent's mind worked until he shocked me with [url=m.gameknot.com/analyze-board.pl?bd=33987370&fb=1&rnd=0.8511828548482838]the reality of my ignorance[/url].
Rostikol: Icke has made certain specific predictions that came true - this list is from 2014, nearly ten years ago. Remember he's been writing since the early 1990s...
But Icke's real force as a modern 'prophet' is not so much in his prediction of specific events, but rather, TRENDS - the direction the world is heading in terms of the activities of the secret cult controlling it, and humanity's place in it.
For instance, as early as 1993 he was predicting the cult would introduce a SURVEILLANCE SOCIETY where everyone's movement would be tracked 24/7. This was a over a decade and half before the rise of mass CCTV in western nations. Today in any western city, there is CCTV EVERYWHERE. Offices, supermarkets, houses, street corners, traffic junctions, train stations, bus terminals.... Everywhere.
He predicted the rise of microchips. He says it is planned for humanity to be microchipped. That's not happened yet, BUT it is now being used commonly on animals, pets etc. There is movement towards it, and he said it would happen step by step, a 'totalitarian tiptoe' whereby they would first start by requiring everyone to have a National ID card.
Then it would become a DIGITAL ID card.
FACE RECOGNITION, IRIS READING ETC ETC.
Then, finally it will become an insertion in your skin ID, whereby you will just flash your wrist at a sensor and it reads your data etc.
THAT'S NOW HAPPENING TODAY.
It is not widespread YET.
But the cult will orchestrate events that would 'necessitate' its widespread use eventually.
That could be via induced 'pandemics', world wars etc...
Events that would lead to the people themselves demanding it for better 'security', 'safety' etc etc.
He calls this cult tactic 'Problem, Reaction, Solution'.
They have an agenda to introduce something they know the public would reject outright, 'like a dodgy DNA altering 'vaccine''.
So they create a problem (eg 'covid pandemic').
Many people 'perish from the pandemic'. And there is a public outcry (reaction) for 'something to be done'.
Then they introduce the solution, the 'covid vaccine'.
Another example of this tactic is the current Israeli-Palestinian war.
The cult - who control BOTH sides of the conflict as always - want to create a middle-east conflict in which Israel invades Gaza, massacres Palestinians, and performs ethnic cleansing of Gaza, in order to spark off a regional war.
They create a problem (Hamas deliberately allowed to enter Israel with 2000 terrorists, killing 1000+ Israelis, reportedly for 6 hours on the streets, strangely unchallenged by the mighty Israeli army).
The Israeli public are outraged (reaction) and demand 'something must be done'.
Then the cult introduce the solution - Israel's monstrous attack and decimation of Gaza, and mass bombing of thousands of innocent civilians etc etc...
At the very top level, the leaders of Hamas, Israel, Iran, USA, Russia, China etc are all members of the same cult. Each one playing their designated role to bring about their agenda of a centralised, Luciferian 'new world order', through enacting in their respective ways, the CHAOS that would lead to the dismantling of the present order, permitting the rise of the next...
Suggested Books by David Icke for you:
- The Biggest Secret
- And The Truth Shall Set You Free
- Human Race Get Off Your Knees
And of course....
- The Dream
I went through the website you link and the writer barely quotes anything David Icke actually wrote, the person just states it. This is not helpful. And it seems neither are you quoting his actual writings. Can you state which book each specific prediction came from?
EDIT: BTW I have gotten the 3 books but i am not going to read all 3 just to see the predictions. If you state the specific pages or chapters that would be more helpful.
chieveboy: Yea I thought we should have done this earlier:
Subjective: Experience as perceived by a subject relative to the state of their sensoria (nose, eyes, skin, state of mind...).
Objective (Based on conventional definitions): Perception not influenced by subjective influences.
Great so neither of these definitions match up to your conclusion. Reality exists or persists outside of our ability to perceive it so our act of perceiving it does nothing to it.
chieveboy: If anything I have been direct to the point.
Our ability to recognize apportion objectivity to things stems from our object for perception (eyes, nose, skin, mind). So it has everything to do with objectivity. Without those, we can forget about objectivity or subjectivity.
All I am saying from the onset is that any so-called objectivity is merely a highly compartmentalized and consequently untrue version of what is being perceived, hence is actually subjective ultimately. This is not just dreams, visions and extra-sensory perceptions (esp) people have, anything at all.
We merely condition our mind (or agree) that what we label as "objective" are global constants. This is relative, hence not totally objective.
Define the word subjective because you seem to be using it in a different way from me.
David Icke wrote about everything happening in the world today, 20 to 30 years ago. Many of us here have read his books since way back. The man is a genius of research, and knows A LOT.
People like him in the ancient world were called Prophets. You better check what he is saying.
Name 5 things he wrote about 20 to 30 years ago that are happening today and what book are you referring to.
chieveboy: We're saying everything is an 'illusion' to the degree that they are not being perceived in whatever original state they might have been, and that the observer being unique is incapable of observing ANYTHING exactly the same way as the next person.
Secondly when perceiving, The mind 'makes up things' and 'completes' the parts to create meaning relative to it's acceptances or agreements of what it feels is real. This phenomena introduces an 'eraticity factor' to the very tool humans depend on for perception.
Given the above, the word 'real' is relative and this is not the first time it's being hinted at. Yea?
The attached is a popular image on the internet. Notice how the human mind makes up parts of the components to create meaning. Will another mammal or another biokind see a human face? I don't think so.
You seem to be conflating several concepts. Our ability to recognise patterns has nothing to do with reality being objective nor does our intuitive capacities. It would be like saying animals do not perceive objective reality because they can neither recognise patterns like we can nor do they have intuitive thoughts like we have.
Ken4Christ: Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.
Christianity Etc › Re: Experiencing God by LordReed(m): 12:18pm On Oct 23, 2023
