SIRTee15: Indeed! More than 24 hrs and multiple presence here yet no response to my last night rebuttal. Anyway, not necessary to respond. B4 u make further gaffes and complicate everything.
I just hope u won't brandish gospel of Peter as written by st peter anymore. and U now know the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels.
We learn everyday, unfortunately I learnt nothing from u. Bye.
Oga when you start paying me you can demand I respond in less than 1 sec. LoLz.
Show where I said Gospel of Peter was written by Peter.
I don't know that church fathers confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels. That is still up for debate.
Well I guess as a teaching tool for developing minds it might be helpful to use anthropomorphism. However I think it should be made clear that's what it is, people seem to easily conflate these things.
SIRTee15: Which is which my friend, be consistent. Why didn't ajayi crowther give a different name to the God of the Jews when writing the yoruba bible.
What part of this
LordReed: And trust you to miss the point of my statement. It doesn't matter what the myths are called, they are simply replacing one myth with another they have not shown that any of it is real.
sonmvayina: In stories, it is usually personified...
Hence the name, just for that purpose....
Well good for them, I don't see the need though. Anthropomorpising things doesn't make them any more profound than they already are. Why not just enjoy it that way, why put on the disguise.
SIRTee15: Really...lolz now it makes no difference when u realised the Supreme God is the same everywhere. Earlier u insisted Jewish God deity is different from that of other cultures and I'm following the former.
As u guys can see this is the big problem with atheist argument. It's filled with inconsistency. They work from answer to question, from conclusion to inference. If they get stuck along the way, the simply twist the inference to arrive at the same conclusion. Thereby making inconsistent claim along the way.
Right from onset of this debate, I've made it clear that the theological interpretation of the old testament is different from it's history. I'm not accountable to the history because I'm not a Jew, but accountable to the God in the old testament because he's a UNIVERSAL GOD not just the God of the Jews. He's God of the yorubas as well as any African culture. LordReed disagreed and insisted the myth and God are the same and are of Jewish origin.
Now that's he's been slapped with hard facts, he is now twisting his mouth and saying it doesn't matter if the God worshipped everywhere is the same.
Again for benefit of doubt I wil ask LordReed, is the God of the Jews different from the supreme universal God in all other cultures?
This is a silly argument. There is a god of thunder in Yoruba mythology and there is a god of thunder in Norse mythology therefore the god of thunder is real. It is just patently silly since that is not how any of it works, having in similarities in mythology is no proof of the reality of those myths.
And trust you to miss the point of my statement. It doesn't matter what the myths are called, they are simply replacing one myth with another they have not shown that any of it is real.
Who cares what theological interpretation you give your favourite Jewish myth, theological interpretations are a dime a dozen. The fact is, your theological interpretation is based on the Jewish myth.
Dude I did not agree that your Jewish god myth and other culture god myths are the same. I said they are all myths, don't put words in my mouth. Twisting what mouth abi it is you trying too hard to twist my words and failing woefully.
Of course the god of the Jews is different, they are different myths!
SIRTee15: LordReed that's yet to respond to my rebuttal last night. Once he meets superior arguments he gas out. He appears to be intelligent but he's not. He's just another wannabe. The problem with nairaland atheist is that they think because they are educated and read some books, then they are intelligent. Well the report card is coming out and doesn't look so good.
As for chemosh, did he ever say he was a universal supreme deity. Was he ever worshipped in such manner anywhere including in Moabites. God called himself a universal God. He rejected being a regional God. That was why he sent Jonah to nenevih.
LoLz. You are so full of yourself it's leaking out your ears. When will you learn I don't live on Nairaland.
FreeSpirited: . We all know Nigeria is bad and limiting but regardless, people are still making it, getting married and raising kids. . Personally however, I see it as a big risk. A huge stress as this country is filled with uncertainties in terms of economy, security and politics. . And when raising a kid, I believe the prevailing culture can influence the thinking and potential of the kid. And aside, exposing kids to this dirty and wicked system I feel it's dangerous, especially when you talk of traveling on our roads, our broken health care that can kill you anytime, poor public facilities, and poor avenue to explore talents. . And sometimes I'm like what if I'm stuck here with my family, unable to take them to a better land of sanity and opportunity. Or if I travel over there and still meet obstacles preventing me from moving them easily. . All of this and many more factors makes me envy and praise young guys who are marrying and still taking care of their family in their own way. Dem dey try. The question is, is it really not that bad for young families and their plans to give their family the best in this country? Am I just delusional or too idealistic? . It's affecting my decision or seriousness about marriage.
You are too idealistic. Yes the country get as e bi but unless you have no strong values and ethics to impart to your children, you are buying trouble that you shouldn't and overthinking this matter.
Dtruthspeaker: Go into bush and see if you would find your poo and thrash after 2 weeks not to talk of thousands of years. That's my point!
It's not only the poop though. They buried hundreds of thousands of people, they discarded a lot of animal bones, 40 years of all these activities and no sign? It is simply implausible.
SIRTee15: since u dont know, then I will leave your origin of creation aside. No need debating guess work.
Now lets go back to your claim that my creation believe is hinged on Jewish history and not on other cultures.
let me ask u a question, Why did Samuel Ajayi Crowther adopted traditional Yoruba deity names, such as "Olodumare/Olorun" for "God" when translating the Bible into Yoruba. Yorubas were already worshipping Eledumare/Olorun b4 Crowther brought forth the Yoruba bible. Why use such names. same for chukwu in ibo. Why were those names retained in native bible.
Why didnt the writers of native bible who are theology scholars use a different name for the jewish God since according to u they are not the same deity.
They are all myths so interchanging one name for another makes no difference.
SIRTee15: Who is Eledumare in Yoruba religious mythology. who is Olorun in Yoruba Pantheon.
So where did life and humans come from? big bang?
They are myths.
Humans came from the evolution of hominids. I don't know where life came from. I would speculate that it was some kind of progressive accumulation of complexity in carbon and nitrogen based molecules but that's my speculation not any kind of certainty. It could have been from something else I don't know.
SIRTee15: So your problem is u believe life came out of nothing.
Why then are u fixated on genesis story when even African culture u came out from has similar creation story.
Your logic that nothing brings forth life is based on what logic. What example can u give to support your evidence that nothing can beget something.
As I told u, I dont need Jewish history to tell me a supreme deity created heaven and earth. It's a well known fact agreed by all cultures. Just like no one told any race or culture how to reproduce and make babies.
Show where I said I believe life came out of nothing.
The fact is you don't believe that the other gods from other cultures created humans except the one from the Jewish culture shows that what you are saying is just a red herring.
SIRTee15: Guy give it a rest. Your understanding of Christian theology and biblical exegesis is extremely poor. Your claim that Christians accepts the genesis creation story as literal expose u as ignorant.
FYI creation science based on literal interpretation of genesis story has been rejected by mainstream Christianity as nonsense.
LoLz. Why not answer the question? Are you afraid it will prove me right? Bwahahahahaha!
Abujaexpress: If he is working within the ministry in a capacity reserved for retirees, what do you call that? A Senior man and foundational member like Bishop Abioye should not be relegated to working underground.
What capacity is that? I thought he was made president of an aspect of the ministry.
SIRTee15: Did I ever tell u I believe in the literal Jewish creation story. Your understanding of the old testament is wack. Do more reading my friend.
Do you believe your god created human beings and is that belief based on the Genesis story?
Janosky: When you approach the the traffic light showing you the red (Stop) sign,Oga please accelerate and speed past it like a jet plane taking off.
You know that dissent is very good!
LoLz. You can't deflect from the fact that I am correct. I dunno why you are trying even. Just say, yes I always follow what the GB teach. It's that simple.
As a lady your boyfriend took u to his family house for the first time and u met her mother cooking, are you suppose to join her in the kitchen or u seat as a visitor and allow her to finish the cooking and serve u ? Remember it's the first time meeting the family
Ask if she would like some help. Not everyone wants strangers in their kitchen.
You are trying to twist and changeseverything seeing that I have explained that Paul did not say that we are not under Law but that he meant a person who does no wrong would not be arrested by Law and you see that there is no reasonable way for you to go.
So you are now trying to twist and bend the argument.
You have nothing reasonable for you to say. Case Closed!
LoLz. You very first response shows you are the one trying to twist it. Look at what you said:
Dtruthspeaker: Because his focus was in the area where he was an expert, which is Law (The Commandments) and his knowledge of Law which was the same reason why he hated Christ's movement in the first place and made him think that they were evil anti-God like you.
Until God opened his eyes to see that Christ was still talking about The Law, the very thing which he supported and upheld.
Thst is why we see him making the connections of Law to us and to Christ as he applauded and uppraised Christs works.
Thus his writings focused on re-raising up The Law and giving us The Law opinion (if i say legal opinion now you people will get it but legal means man made while Law is God Made) for us to see and know the workings and implications of The Law (The Commandments).
Which is why God chose him so that the world would have a glimpse from The Eye of The Law how God, The Law would judge them!
It's as simple as that. The lay men like the fishermen can say and repeat what Christ had Said and taught them but God raised Paul, to be the lawyer who gives The Judgments of The Law!
You categorically stated that Paul was teaching people the law. Bwahahahahaha!
But its true na. Traumatised by her parents and by the people she tried having relationships with. It's sad but if she is satisfied with living with the trauma wetin consign me.
Dtruthspeaker: Then, that's why you do not understand that people poo and pee and throw their travel thrash in the bush even before/after they reach and pass Lokoja.
So if we go into the bush we'll see the poo and trash. Thanks for proving my point. LoLz.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Did They Do The BIBLE? (BIBLIOGY) by LordReed(m): 6:27am On Oct 29, 2023
