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MaxInDHouse:
When talking about "FAITH" atheists who calls it "ABSURDITY" need not join in such discussion in the first place. For instance if i see a bus carrying a bunch of psychopaths and i'm sure of their mental state. Whatever makes me join the bus simply means i'm also one of them otherwise i have no reason to join a bus carrying psychopaths!
So the only reason why i can join their bus and participate in their discussion is to reason along with them, then it's stupidity saying what they're saying is absurdity when i already know their mental state.
I told you that whenever you see my comment just stay clear because i will always prove to you that true Christians are too much for atheists like you to challenge in LOGICAL REASONING!

Just don't call me into your discussion or open it to atheists then start freaking out because your illogic is called out. Simple. LoLz.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny atheists!
Everyone knows that FAITH in itself sounds absurdity before atheists {1Corinthians 2:14} so whatever moves an atheist into coming to join in a discussion having to do with FAITH he is here to use his so called LOGICAL reasoning to contend with FAITH.
But when someone who wasn't forced to come and comment on what he doesn't believe now run away saying "it's absurd" what exactly brought him in here in the first place?

LMAO! You literally called me here and now you are complaining. I have told you if you don't want atheists to join your discussion indicate no atheists allowed or something or at least don't reference me then be complaining that I showed up.

Arkadrob:
I just watched some of her shorts videos on YouTube. I'm impressed, she is a great teacher.

PastorMIsBack see what I said being confirmed. LoL.

TenQ:
We were discussing the relationship between mind and body!

TenQ:
Can you please check if I've discussed absolute morality with you?

I've discussed with you Objective Morality which is from a constituted authority (God or Government) and is not debatable!

Rest.

TenQ:
And there had been several more discussions between us before you conveniently forgot my stance.

Then you should have reiterated your stance. Meanwhile here you are debating about morality so how am supposed to have taken you seriously that you aren't here for a debate?

TenQ:
And such laws can only be changed by the constituted authority that made the Original law!

The constituted authority also changes so no sir, there is nothing like absolute morality.

BTW glad you agree the law can and does change so again you've checkmated yourself.

jaelz:
So a lady was actually fired in my office on Valentine's day after she did a public display of affection for her boyfriend who is also her colleague in the office, they are both younger staff and less than 12 months in the office.

According to her direct line manager her KPI's were low and she hadn't met any one of them since her resuming in the office asides the fact that she had a very lackadaisical behavior towards work and in general.

Was the boyfriend fired?

MaxInDHouse:
Absurdities are meant to be silenced with logical reasoning my friend {Isaiah 54:17} so your inability to do so is a sign of incompetence in you!

Logical reasoning only works when all parties involved are willing hold to logic. Once one party starts sprout fairytales then there is no more logic to be had. You have gone the way of fairytales so I can no longer have a logical discussion with you. LoLz.

MaxInDHouse:
No further questions?
Come on, your kiddie stuffs is sure sign of fear it doesn't cover for you, otherwise you could have continue using your intriguing questions to see if there is logical reasoning behind FAITH, now you can see for yourself!

Your absurdity has reached epic levels and I can only collapse in laughter. Bwahahahahahaha!

budaatum:
I do not think philosophers call themselves scientists, but correct me if I am wrong.

Might wanna read this: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/naturalism/#MetNat

MaxInDHouse:
The problem with you is this your atheistic mindset.
For your information, as a soldier do you think i need to be in the army of any country before i can figure out certain things that can't be missing in their setting?
Well that's part of the advantages of FAITH.
We know that since the head of all spiritistic movements is a mighty spirit whose intention is to rule. All we need is listen to the spirit that's in charge of our central unit of control to know how the other spirit and his agents operates:

Finally, go on acquiring power in the Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil; because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God, so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm. Stand firm, therefore, with the belt of truth fastened around your waist, wearing the breastplate of righteousness, and having your feet shod in readiness to declare the good news of peace. Besides all of this, take up the large shield of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the wicked one’s burning arrows. Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, Ephesians 6:10-17

So my friend it's misinformed Churchgoers like you who thinks witches should die, in our own gathering we fight to make them surrender their amulets (charms) with the message of the good news of God's Kingdom many of them have surrendered willingly and join the forces of light with the hope of living forever when all evidoers and Satan their King are gone for good! Act 19:18-20

Your "Bwahahahahaha" shows how scared you are right now due to how much a true Christian knows about the rulers of the darkness {Ephesians 6:12} but don't worry you have no business with them since you're not contending with them over what they cherish. It's like a pauper with no silver or gold, armed robbers can't be his problem because he that's down need fear no fall!

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Image123:
The irony is that many unbelievers are quick to fervently condemn Him, forgetting that they feel that He doesn't exist.

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TenQ:
I said: that wasn't my point of argument. I did not even raise the issue of God being the source of ALL objective morality.

I have defined objective morality as having sources from a constituted authority.




You can find a closer synonym to the word OBJECTIVE.

It just simply means ABSOLUTE standard of right and wrong as used in the examples of 18years adult age and speed limit on a road.

And again there is nothing like that as long as there isn't a singular source for morality. What part of that don't you understand?

Also the fact that any of those laws can be revised and changed means they are not absolute.

TenQ:
My objective is not to debate that right from the onset and I told you very clearly.

That was about your fifth response. You should have made it the first and saved me the trouble.

Image123:
Lol, i don't ask you to be a preacher, i ask you to be as wealthy as you claim that he is since it's not supernatural to you. The speed and ease with which CU and Canaanland was accomplished when the vision came should not be a strange news to you. The efficiency is also second to none. Amazon can't even do proper business in Nigeria, not to talk of trying spiritual business. Stop comparing apples and onions.

And I already answered why I am not and showed why it is not a supernatural feat. Speed and ease of building when money is available is not a supernatural feat.

Image123:
All unbelievers bring this viewpoint all the time concerning God, they try to make Him guilty and unqualified to judge them.

LoLz! We need to establish he exists before we get to whether he can do anything.

cherishmichael:
Yes he do deserve it, but ask yourself, amongst all of those people giving the punishment to him, which one amongst them have not done something bad greater to his own or even the same as he did? But some are hidden.

How does this matter? So because some other person is flawed we should excuse terrible behaviour?

TenQ:
I said:
It seems you do not understand the subject of objective molarity. Objective morality is ABSOLUTE as it is not debatable.

You can find a suitable alternative to "absolute" as I have defined it both here and with several other examples such as legal age and speed limit.

Why do most government choose 18 years as the legal age and not 21 years? We only can guess!
However the law has been set (for many countries) 18 years as the legal adult age.

If a child is 17 years 11 months old, he/she is still treated as a minor. If you are not comfortable with the term absolute, kindly help me with a more suitable word!

I have not even argued once for "God as the source of all morality"! I wonder where you got that from in our discussions

If god is not the source of all morality then there is no such thing as the objective morality you are going on about. You just checkmated yourself.

TenQ:
Back to square one!?

You should have just said you believe by faith instead of the rigmarole and waste of time.

TenQ:
A computer program is first a series of Instructions acting on data:
This program can be put on different media in forms suitable for the target recipient: thus
1. A program can be written in Human understandable form as TEXTS but it is still the program
The texts can be an Algorithm, Or High level Language Dialect Specific Form (C++, Pascal, BASIC, FORTRAN etc)
2. The same program can be written in a human understandable form but closer to the Machine form in terms of Assembly Language.
This is still a program but hardware ready
3. The same program can be Compiled or Interpreted into Machine Actionable Forms. At this point it is just simply sequences of ZEROs and ONEs.
4. The machine Actionable form (zeros and ones) are now stored in form of electric potentials, magnetic poles, charge differences etc

The question is can a program exist OUTSIDE the computer?
Of course!
Until the program becomes compiled into Zeros and Ones it isn't machine readable.

In a simple term:
A computer program can be translated into ANY suitable Language Dialect e.g. TEXTs, ALGORITHMs, High level language Specific Dialect, Assembly Language, Low Level Language Specific Form depending on the receptor of such sequence of instructions.

Can a computer program exist outside the Computer?
The answer is YES: but it must be written somewhere else.
This is the reason why we can clone a computer by MOVING ALL the DATA and PROGRAM into an external Storage device such that when the main computer crashes, it can be fully restored

With respect to the Soul existing without the body I said

Now provide evidence that this is the case for humans, that their minds are transferred somewhere else.

TenQ:
It seems you do not understand the subject of objective molarity. Objective morality is ABSOLUTE as it is not debatable. Objective morality can be set both by God or a governing authority. Subjective morality can vary from one person to another as it is NOT absolute.
Objective morality does not stem from the fact that it can be logically justified. No! It simply means that it is a take it or leave it kind of law: absolute in nature.

Actually it is you who doesn't understand. There is no such thing as absolute morality nor is there objective morality after fashion you are talking about. If there was such a thing all governments would have the same basis for for their laws and all laws would be uniform but that is not what we see at all. There are different basis for different national laws for the same crimes. This is because morality is derivative and has no singular source.

When God says fornication is wrong, to those who believe in God's law, it is objective and there is no argument of justification.

This is called divine command which of course has no effect on how I view morality. You are welcome to follow your "divine" command but it is not the basis for all morality.

Same as per when the government sets a legal age for sex, alcohol or even speed limit.

The problem atheists have is when Christians for instance speak about the source of an objective law of morality as God but take for granted that objective law of morality can also be set by Governments.

Like is it moral for me as a store owner to sell cigarettes and alcohol to a primary school pupil?

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you think we stick to our Bible?

God revealed all the secret regarding AUTHORITY on this planet to us.
So without being in the midst of Satan's agents we know all their secrets.
Because the reason why they're joining Satan's organization is:
(1) To revenge when anyone offends them as they can't deal with the person physically.
(2) To become part of the movers and shakers in the society.
(3) To know those in the helms of affairs in the society so their right will not be denied.

So they were deceived to believe that God's kingdom which Jesus promised us is a waste of time and delay of justice therefore they want to make the best use of the chances they have in this system of things.

It's atheists like you that only work on what your eyes could see, we walk by faith and not just by sight!

LoL. So you don't know the name of the cult, have never been in their meeting or been invited to the meeting but somehow you know of all their activities. Bwahahahahaha!

meobizy:
Smells like bullshit. Another Nairaland update. DailyMail would have carried it long before bloggers here thought of the concept. Fake news until I’m shown otherwise.

Posted this same news 2 days ago different source.

TenQ:
I never suggested that.

The question was:
Can a computer program/algorithm exist outside the computer?

The equivalent is: can the soul exist outside the body?

Then why are you using the analogy? You are suggesting that the written code for software is the same as the actual program running in a machine. What is the point of the analogy really?

You said the soul is detachable so what does it mean to be detachable if not that it can survive outside the body?

TenQ:
This means that there isn't much difference in our understanding except that you'll prefer to use "the mind" as an inseparable fusion of the hardware and software, whereas, I prefer to use "the soul" as a detachable software from the hardware of the body. I hope I'm correct with this view.

And you are correct that the soul/mind cannot survive without its hardware.

For Christians then, all animals have their souls and when they die, they cease to exist. Humans on the other hand have in addition their spirit body: such that when they die, their soul even though disconnected from their body is not disconnected from their spirit body. I am not saying this that you might agree with it: I am just stating how Christians relate to the concept of body, soul and spirit. God Himself is a Spirit! Angels, Demons too are spirits who all have their unique souls/personalities.

TenQ:
And we have shown the equivalence between the soul and the computer program that acts on the hardware!

The question was:
Can a computer program/algorithm exist outside the computer?

Good grief man!

LordReed:
You keep asking the same question that has been answered and does not provide any answer to question asked. No it can't, now can you stop asking this question and answer the one I asked you.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, the highest form of CULT on this planet are the witches who communicate directly with Satan the spirit ruling this planet.

The one and only reason why we are much more united in thought than them is because their leader Satan is a LIAR who always deceives all those under his dominion. He tricked all of them into believing that they will have absolute freedom and rule over none- members. So each member of the CULT is subjected to their district rulers to whom they bow whenever that one says anything whether according to their laid down rules or not. It's only none-members they can treat anyhow but their are district heads who can do and undo while Satan is their overall leader with the power to exterminate any of them at will.

But under God's Kingdom arrangement all of us see just one King Jesus Christ who in turn looks unto his father and God JEHOVAH.
So we know there is nothing like absolute freedom, but each person is free to set his personal goals as long as it doesn't interfere adversely with the lives of our fellowman.
Satan's own organization is forcing itself on people whether they like it or not that's why we have POLITICS, you may continue deceiving yourself but know today that Satan's agents will decide what should or shouldn't be wherever you go on this planet. Therefore what happens to your so called freedom?

My friend, there are lots and lots of secrets you don't know but since you often say i'm a story teller that's why i left you to continue deceiving yourself with false reasoning thinking you have absolute freedom!

Have you been to this witchcraft meeting before?

TenQ:
Almost ALL laws are in place to establish ORDER!
Is embezzlement of government resources not also moral?

Laws are meant to GUIDE our behaviours.

However, it doesn't make a difference to the point. Is it logical to argue or dispute why the road speed limit is set at 100km/h and not 102km/h. Or why adult age is 18years old and not 15 years?

Why do you think that sex with a 17year old girl (in Nigeria) by an adult is immoral (rape)?

Your last argument/post is flawed sir!

Do even read and understand what you respond to or are just responding for responding sake. Did I say law wasn't for order or what are you implying?

It matters because there is no single objective source for what age limits are set. So when you tell me there is an objective source for morality the very facts on ground deny that.

PastorMIsBack:
God will not be mocked

Duration: 57 seconds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3XowaveKAo

God the genie that provides husband or wife on request. LoLz.

neo25:
Hi all a friend of mine tells me he sees his wife always in dreams with another strange Man like she is married to him and he as the husband would stand by and watch them both like a stranger in that dream.

They both have been married for 10 years now but these dreams have been occurring at least every week since last years November 2021.
Can anyone please advise, both the Spiritual and Physical implications.

Thanks.

Your friend is getting paranoid and obsessed with his wife cheating. Ask him to tell you why he is suspecting her.

TenQ:
Sorry, I have updated the response.


You were the one who says that the mind cannot be independent of the body



I have given you a parallel between the mind and the programmings of a computer and thus I asked the question

Can a program/algorithm exist outside a computer (HDD, CPU, GPU, RAM, ROM)?

The answer is YES!

You said NO it can't but you are wrong.
A Computer Program is a Sequence of Instructions, Directives and Information which of course first exist in the MIND of the programmer, then it gets put on PAPER before it is TYPED in a Text Editor. From the Text Editor it is Compiled into machine language after which it is loaded into a computer.

The sequence of instruction is the real computer programs: several different mediums can be used to record it. It just happens that the last media is the HDD, CPU, RAM of the computer.

So, how different is a paper and a HDD in the storage of the computer program?

So if I write down my thoughts the paper has become my mind?

MaxInDHouse:
Ask me again!

Ok so you don't know the name you just know there is a witchcraft cult? How did you know that? Did they come knocking on your door like JW proselyters? LoLz.

TenQ:
You were the one who says that the mind cannot be independent of the body

I have given you a parallel between the mind and the programmings of a computer and thus I asked the question

Can a program/algorithm exist outside a computer (HDD, CPU, GPU, RAM, ROM)?

LoL see why I said you misunderstand. It is you who is claiming the mind can be independent of the body not me. You are the ones who believe in concepts such as soul and an afterlife.