Maestro21: Don't be cute. Prove that the screenshot stating "no time interval" was for COVID-19 vaccine. Your screenshot just states "vaccine". Ofcourse, the CDC never tabulated vaccine deaths with any time interval until COVID-19 jabs.
I showed you what the CDC stated concerning vaccinations for COVID19 and how it is tabulated. If you even checked VAERS you will see that the column under pericarditis has thousands of reports.
As for the nonsense figures you stated there, I don't how slow you want to be today but I quoted the CDC deputy director and I told you how they do the count. You are bandying nonsensical figures that even contradict the CDC deputy director. lol
And don't be disingenuous, it is clearly written there ANY NEW VACCINE. You are merely conjecturing your so called less than 14 days is not vaccine death, you have nowhere quoted where the CDC says deaths less than 14 days after the vaccine jabs are not to be reported as related to the vaccine. Imagine you asking me to prove that my screenshot is from the CDC, have you proved that any of your screenshots are from CDC or whereever you got them from?
Screenshot the VAERS report for pericarditis.
Your brain must be on the fritz that's why you can't deal with the figures I quoted. Put up or shut up, it's quite simple.
Maestro21: I asked you like he did, if you knew algebra. You clearly don't so let me simplify it for you.
CO2 = P * S * E * C
what this means algebraically is CO2 is created by a product of P, S, E and C. Where P stands for Population or People (unit in People), Services per Person (unit in Work/People), E is Energy (unit in Energy/Work) and C for CO2 (unit in CO2/Energy).
If you check for dimensional consistency you will see that (People)*(Work/People)*(Energy/Work)*(CO2/Energy) = CO2 because people will cancel out, work will cancel out and energy will cancel out. So Bill Gates formula is sound.
Then he says he wants the CO2 to be come = 0 (unrealistic but you get the point)
How will he achieve it? one or all of the variables at the other side of his equation (one of P, S, E or C) has to become 0 (which is why people laugh - he has intelligent people in his audience). That is basic algebra.
Then he isolates Population from the formula. He explains to you that with "new" vaccinations, healthcare and reproductive health services we can lower population from increasing to 9 billion to only staying around ~7.7 billion (15% reduction of 9 billion is 9-1.35 = 7.65 billion). That is why he said 1.3, it came from 15% of 9b which is ~1.35 b.
So how will new vaccinations, healthcare and reproductive health services prevent population from getting to 9 billion (by staying at 7.65 billion)?
Is that not population reduction?
If reproductive health services help prevent population growth does it not mean those health services will prevent men and women from having children? Is that not sterilization? Find out if side effects of these jabs include still births, miscarriages and infertility in women.
Find out if we are having unprecedented vaccine deaths compared to any other vaccine in history.
Then find out if Bill Gates is involved with the vaccine companies.
I rest my case.
LMFAO! C in his equation was where the solution was focused on not P. How can P make the desired effect to his formula when it is still expected to increase? Is this slowing of the population growth that you are accusing Bill Gates of? Really? So how many deaths via vaccination do you estimate have occurred from the Covid-19 vaccines?
Maestro21: First, I told you the CDC is no longer denying the link. They are just pretending it is "rare" even when they admit the number is higher than normal.
Next, I told you why they claim it is rare. Their criteria for determining being vaccinated is your answer. If they can claim you are not vaccinated, then they can claim that the pericarditis is not tied to the vaccination.
Then I showed you from the CDC website that the CDC considers you vaccinated only when you have received a second jab of some of the jabs or 1 from J&J and it is 14 days or greater.
What does that imply? It implies that if you took a second jab and developed pericarditis or died less than 14 days after, that pericarditis case or death cannot be reported as vaccine-related. Even when the majority of those cases happen less than 14 days after.
Despite this juju data reporting, the deputy director of the CDC still admits that they are seeing higher number of such cases reported after taking the jabs.
You can pretend all you like. I am quoting the CDC.
As for Odaibo, I did not tell you his death was misreported as a COVID-19 death. I said the link between his jabs and his heart attack is being obfuscated and some even suggested to his family that it may be COVID-19 related which is why his brother had to assert that he was fully-jabbed.
The CDC says report any death after vaccination without giving any time limit so I don't know how I need to make the conjecture from a different rule. I screenshot both of the relevant guidelines on the reporting of death after vaccination and they clearly do not give any time limits on the reporting of deaths..
Who is obfuscating Odaibo's death cause?
Normal incidence rate for pericarditis is 0.0277% while the reported cases of pericarditis and myocarditis after vaccination is 0.0004% of the total vaccinations done so the incidence is massively lower than that of other non-vaccination causes.
The report you even screenshot does not say any of them died so how exactly does this tie into your argument?
They tried to delete it from everywhere and even got fake fact-checkers to give spins but listen to it yourself and see if you know enough algebra to do the maths.
Watched it up to the point he talks about population, even went and found the transcript on the Tedtalk site:
03:45 This equation has four factors, a little bit of multiplication. So you've got a thing on the left, CO2, that you want to get to zero, and that's going to be based on the number of people, the services each person is using on average, the energy, on average, for each service, and the CO2 being put out per unit of energy. So let's look at each one of these, and see how we can get this down to zero. Probably, one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty near to zero.
04:16 (Laughter)
04:17 That's back from high school algebra. But let's take a look.
04:21 First, we've got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent. But there, we see an increase of about 1.3.
He was talking about the factors that influence CO2 emissions and pointed out that the total population was headed up to 9 billion and with new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we can slow the growth by 10 to 15% resulting to an increase of 1.3. Whether he means billion or percent I have no way of knowing but I would hazard a guess and say he meant billion. Where this translates to Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to reduce the population is what I fail to see. He is talking about reducing CO2 and this is what he said the solution being:
08:19 Now, there's all sorts of gimmicky solutions like that one, but they don't really add up to much. We need solutions, either one or several, that have unbelievable scale and unbelievable reliability. And although there's many directions that people are seeking, I really only see five that can achieve the big numbers. I've left out tide, geothermal, fusion, biofuels. Those may make some contribution, and if they can do better than I expect, so much the better. But my key point here is that we're going to have to work on each of these five, and we can't give up any of them because they look daunting, because they all have significant challenges.
09:05 Let's look first at burning fossil fuels, either burning coal or burning natural gas. What you need to do there seems like it might be simple, but it's not. And that's to take all the CO2, after you've burned it, going out the flue, pressurize it, create a liquid, put it somewhere, and hope it stays there. Now, we have some pilot things that do this at the 60 to 80 percent level. But getting up to that full percentage -- that will be very tricky. And agreeing on where these CO2 quantities should be put will be hard, but the toughest one here is this long-term issue: Who's going to be sure? Who's going to guarantee something that is literally billions of times larger than any type of waste you think of in terms of nuclear or other things? This is a lot of volume. So that's a tough one.
09:57 Next would be nuclear. It also has three big problems: cost, particularly in highly regulated countries, is high; the issue of safety, really feeling good about nothing could go wrong, that, even though you have these human operators, the fuel doesn't get used for weapons. And then what do you do with the waste? Although it's not very large, there are a lot of concerns about that. People need to feel good about it. So three very tough problems that might be solvable, and so, should be worked on.
10:30 The last three of the five, I've grouped together. These are what people often refer to as the renewable sources. And they actually -- although it's great they don't require fuel -- they have some disadvantages. One is that the density of energy gathered in these technologies is dramatically less than a power plant. This is energy farming, so you're talking about many square miles, thousands of times more area than you think of as a normal energy plant. Also, these are intermittent sources. The sun doesn't shine all day, it doesn't shine every day, and likewise, the wind doesn't blow all the time. And so, if you depend on these sources, you have to have some way of getting the energy during those time periods that it's not available. So we've got big cost challenges here. We have transmission challenges; for example, say this energy source is outside your country, you not only need the technology, but you have to deal with the risk of the energy coming from elsewhere.
11:32 And, finally, this storage problem. To dimensionalize this, I went through and looked at all the types of batteries made -- for cars, for computers, for phones, for flashlights, for everything -- and compared that to the amount of electrical energy the world uses. What I found is that all the batteries we make now could store less than 10 minutes of all the energy. And so, in fact, we need a big breakthrough here, something that's going to be a factor of 100 better than the approaches we have now. It's not impossible, but it's not a very easy thing. Now, this shows up when you try to get the intermittent source to be above, say, 20 to 30 percent of what you're using. If you're counting on it for 100 percent, you need an incredible miracle battery.
No mention of vaccination or population reduction in the proposed solution. So in 28mins 51secs he only mentions vaccines thrice and population once yet for you Bill Gates is plotting to kill people by vaccines. How do you make this leap?
Maestro21: You are trying to be clever by a whiff but I have your time.
I told you already that most of the deaths happen within the 14 days, so by excluding the count until after 14 days, they are uncorrelating the vaccine deaths from the jabs.
Second, the screenshot was a report following vaccination and the UK reporting that there have been increases in pericarditis cases FOLLOWING vaccinations.
Peep the screenshot below to see if that is the CDC or another..lol
Odaibo's death was ruled as sudden death...lol..A.K.A pericarditis. His family said he was double jabbed. What killed him?
His brother had to insist that he did not die of COVID-19 "because he was double jabbed" why do you think his brother needed to stress it? That is why I said make of that what you will.
Like I said before, the CDC already subtly admit that there have been reports of myocarditis and pericarditis following the jabs. In other words, they are linked according to the CDC. Which is why it came to us as no surprise when the FDA presenter accidentally turned his powerpoint to his adverse effects slide and we saw the pericarditis there listed.
They themselves claim it has been reported "several days after" the 2nd dose but I told you that is false reporting since you have prevented anyone who died from or developed pericarditis within the first 14 days from inclusion by claiming the jab does not take effect until after 14 days. That is voodoo reportage.
You said CDC does not do that. Well, the CDC is saying you don't know what you are talking about.
PS: last screenshot is a bonus (not from CDC though but you can see them cite the CDC). 40 cycles PCR for unjabbed people but 28 cycles for jabbed people (who show symptoms).
Nowhere in CDC adverse reporting guidelines does it say CDC will not consider it a vaccine death if it occurs less than 14 days after taking the full dose so I don't know what exactly your argument is. Nor have you shown how exactly deaths by pericarditis caused by the jab is on the increase.
Here is the report on David Odaibo's death I can find and it doesn't mention anything about his death been misattributed. If you have a different report lemme see it.
Maestro21: I told you before and I don't like doing back and forths with you because you are not interested in truth.
The CDC, UK health gov, NHS etc have a unilateral rule concerning the jabs.
1. One is only regarded as jabbed after 14 days of taking jab 2. 2. Consequently, if someone takes the jab today and dies of pericarditis less than 14 days after, it will be ruled as an unjabbed death and will therefore not be correlated with the jab. 3. If same person takes jab 1 (which could be a placebo) and months after takes jab 2 and dies less than 14 days after, it will be ruled out as an unjabbed death and not correlated to the jab. 4. Since no autopsies are done for many deaths, many healthcare workers including funeral home workers ( https://truthcomestolight.com/uk-funeral-director-courageously-exposes-ongoing-covid-crimes-against-all-of-humanity-delta-variant-is-vaccine-damage/ ) have reported that doctors just attribute COVID-19 delta variant as the cause of death on the death certificates.
Of course, they do so because they tell families such conditions like pericarditis etc are caused by "viral infections" and that the "predominant" viral infection in the world today is one precipitated by Sars-Cov2. Like I said before, a Nigerian man in the USA, Odaibo (42) died of pericarditis but his family admitted that he was double jabbed. Make of that what you will.
For CDC this is incorrect, don't know about the others. The reporting guidelines for adverse effects from vaccine has no time limit for reporting death as a result of vaccine.
My question remains how do you know there were increased deaths from pericarditis caused by the vaccines. The screenshot you put up says there were 98 reports of pericarditis with no indication of any leading to death so how did you come to the conclusion that the condition is leading to increased fatalities.
BTW was Odaibo's death written as Covid-19 on his death certificate?
MaxInDHouse: Hurtful speeches can't hide your hopelessness this time around, so continue crying for all i care. I never chat you so find a way to console your worthless atheistic heart!
MaxInDHouse: No let am pain you too much my friend!
The OP is obviously talking to believers not unbelievers so my point is clear that the reasons he gave have nothing to do with faith in God because there's something we are achieving with faith so if ATHEISM can't prefer a better solution to that then ATHEISM is hopeless, worthless and useless! So don't think your faculty can escape thorough reproof by hiding under the disguise of no promises because nobody expects anything from you guys before the OP came with what seems like the GREATEST reasons from his own IQ. I just presented one single reason that will make 99.99999% of religionists on this planet abandon their faith but since it's out of the reach of ATHEISM you're crying like a baby. Pẹ̀lẹ̀ má ké mọ́!
LMFAO! Chai! how can someone be so stupid for Andromeda's sake?! Does anything about what the OP wrote indicate atheism is promising you something? You presented a reason for your cult and I told you to go and enjoy but instead you maintained your arsehole stance thinking you are ridiculing me not knowing you are making a huge joke of the so called peace you came to sell. Don't you see how stupìd you are.
Ọ̀DẸ̀! Have i ever told you that my God have any business with your utterances?
The point is clear! I'm trying to reason with the OP who said he's gotten 10 GREAT reasons why people should abandon their faith in God so if you don't have anything tangible to say about my question to the OP why leap into the discussion? My friend i told you that i'm not one of those misinformed churchgoers who are threatening you that their God will stop you from spewing whatever gibberish you have in your skull.
This is the promise of my own God:
No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17
Note that bolded in red: i came to reason along with the OP regarding the bullet he shot towards FAITH in God, you rose from nowhere trying to prove intelligent and by the end of the day you were disgraced as you yourself confirmed that ATHEISM (what you're carrying in your skull) has nothing to offer humanity other than criticism against RELIGION. Can you now see how misinformed and hopeless you've proved to be?
You're an imbecilic slowpoke who is still too stupid to get it into your air filled head that atheism doesn't promise anything. The OP listed 10 reasons and none of them promises you anything yet your noodlebrain keeps coming back with how atheism doesn't offer anything. Why are you so stupìd, did you have brain trauma that keeps you from learning something new?
Keep dreaming of silencing me, it seems to give you some purpose in life.
Maestro21: He said in a Tedtalk that the world needed vaccination programs to reduce world population. Did he or did he not say so? So I can bring links for you.
Maestro21: Pericarditis is usually a complication of viral infections, most commonly echovirus or cocksackie viruses. Less frequently, it can be caused by influenza and similar.
Then all of a sudden, rising cases in both USA and UK following jabs. Even with the grand censorship and extremely poor data reporting. The CDC and UK health gov reported this.
But somehow, if a jabbed man dies of the very same symptoms, we will ignore all that and rule it as a COVID-19 death. lol
Ok so there have been reports of pericarditis after taking the vaccine so how does it translate to deaths by pericarditis being reported as Covid-19 deaths?
MaxInDHouse: OLÓDO! Now you want to hide your face when you've been outwitted intelligently. No wahala just know that anytime you see me chatting with someone you have nothing tangible to say against what i'm saying so keep quiet. Because you jumped into this thread as if you have something worthwhile only to turn out to be hopeless, worthless and useless with your atheistic mindset!
LMAO! Look at the dumbass quack peace merchant, this for you is a brand of peace, insulting people upandan, LMFAO! I will comment on your posts whenever you post up misinformation. If it pains you tell your superman to stop me, it's that simple. Bwahahahahaha!
MaxInDHouse: I told you that you'll become empty whenever you come face to face with a true Christian. Note how frustrated and haughty misinformed Churchgoers often becomes when you chat with them. But when you come in contact with true Christians you will be humbled and silenced! Isaiah 54:11
When you get boring the only response you get is a yawn. LoL
MaxInDHouse: Knowledge is the accumulation of information, even a dog has a measure of knowledge. But Wisdom is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of accumulated information resulting in lasting BENEFITS. So we can say ATHEISM is all about the head knowledge that's of no PRACTICAL BENEFIT to anyone including the ATHEISTS themselves.
While FAITH is about Wisdom working out BENEFITS for everyone! So if what you know doesn't bring any useful benefit other than to counter false religions then you've lost your bearing as an intelligent creature because all you'll ever carry in your brains is how to counter religion, your concept will forever remain useless, worthless and hopeless to everyone including you yourself!
oluwafreshkid: Every now and then, we wake up to news of shrines been burnt, Men and women caught with charms and fetish items. My question is, is it a crime to practice idolatry? These items are religious items. Execpt a crime was committed eg human ritual, I don't think a crime has been committed. Kindly state your opinion
They are not but fetish practices with intent to cause harm to another are.
MaxInDHouse: Well foolishness is when you jumped into a matter but end up having nothing to do about it other than talking trash.
OP talked about reasons why people should consider ATHEISM, i asked if atheism can solve the problem of PEACE, you jumped out of nowhere only to end up saying atheism can't make peace reign even in the midst of atheists so why jumping into the discussion in the first place?
So tell me sincerely who is the fool here?
Foolishness is continually asking an orange tree to produce palm wine. Atheists never promised peace or anything for that matter so how do you get to ask us to produce peace as a measure of the capacity of atheism. Are you not displaying your foolishness for all to see. i even illustrated it for you with sports, how we are playing by completely different rules and giving you a rancor free conclusion by telling you to go and enjoy your peace but no you just had to continue to be an arsehole. I guess being a foolish arsehole is your version of peace innit. You sir are a FOOL in big capital letters. LMFAO!
MaxInDHouse: "10 Great reasons why you should be an atheist now in 2019"
That's the topic of discussion and i presented the issue affecting the whole world which is absence of peace. So if ATHEISM can't figure out anything tangible about that then it's hopeless, worthless and useless.
Guy nobody expects you to fulfil any promises because you're all hopeless, what i am saying is that the only reason why right thinking person can abandon Faith in God for ATHEISM is when you people are able to organize yourselves peacefully!
So don't allow haughtiness to run you mad, i never said anything about promises from ATHEISTS!
You keep expecting us to make promises while using the other side of your mouth to say you aren't.
Sure we don't believe in hoping on imaginary supermen coming to create a paradise, we leave that for those who like thinking fairytales are real. We'll try our best while we are alive to see everyone has a good life while you keep waiting for your superman.
Between me and you who believes superman is coming to destroy your enemies, who is haughty if not you. You keep dreaming of the day all the world is for only you and you're calling someone else haughty, what a laugh. LoL
MaxInDHouse: Idioms guy, IDIOMS! FAITH is working but ATHEISM is not i wasn't talking to you before you jumped into the discussion to support ATHEISM. Now i presented the WORKS of FAITH and all you could say is ATHEISM is unproductive! So the case is closed!
You are really bad at idioms then.
Someone made you no promises yet you are accusing them of being a promise breaker, either you don't understand English or you are foolish.
MaxInDHouse: So with all your criticism against faith in God you people only open your mouth to spew gibberish when you don't have anything to give back to the society. Shame on ATHEISM!
MaxInDHouse: So your faculty is hopeless, worthless and useless because the only problem mankind has is how to cohabit peacefully, therefore if you can't found a solution to that then it means all your criticism against faith in God is futile because faith in God is yielding positive results!
As for those carrying weapons you are the same with them because they simply reject the only means to make peace work just as you do!
When an atheist comes to your frontdoor to preach to you how peaceful the world would be by atheism you can tell them all this jargon. Meanwhile go preach to IPOB and BH to become peace loving drones like you.
I have more than you not to be tempted by what I am not attracted to while giving those who are their space. It is someone without sense who complains of going to smell what he is not willing to eat.
MaxInDHouse: That's where you're getting it all wrong! We already have members who have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone in all the territories where these people come from. Because a stitch in time saves nine, before the madness enters into their brains we have played our part and within their territories we have JWs who will never raise weapons against anyone! We never asked you to win all the people in the world because each person will have to decide on how to react to things but since we already win over members of their community to embrace PEACE. That's a sign that we are working. So you PRESENT what atheists have achieved so far!
Are you hard of hearing? How many times will I tell you atheism has no promises so what are you expecting me to show you as result? You who promises peace, go preach to those carrying weapons.
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