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HellVictorinho:
Are we the only combinations of ageless indivisible objects that manifest consciousness by chance


If we are not,are we still special

As far as weknow no other combination of star dust will ever take the exact same form again, that is special to me.

Lagbaja Nothing For You!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-MeDtmIbA

I think we are special, unique combinations of star dust that will never be repeated. True we are not made by a god but that doesn't mean we aren't special. We don't need gods to be special, our brains alone have set us on a course that has seen us become the most potent life form on the planet.

Lagbaja Nothing For You!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-MeDtmIbA

Lagbaja Nothing For You!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-MeDtmIbA

Overzealous aprokos can't understand sarcasm. LoLz!

HappyPagan:
Glad you are reading those texts on logic and reason I recommended. Proud you can post without verses... Baby steps...I applaud you

Dtruthspeaker:
It is still The Law that is going to judge the "lawbreaker" so it's not a problem.

Yeah sure that so called judgement day that always seems to be in the future. LoLz

budaatum:
You see the above, my Lord? It can be said about any war you'd like to classify as religious. The fact is, people don't really care about their Gods or their religions as much as you are claiming, but just hide their intentions and deeds behind their Gods or they claim their own intentions and deeds belong to their Gods that they fight for, or would you like to argue that religious people are not hypocrites?

The Crusades, for instance, were about wealth and prestige, and the wars Mohammed fought were mostly about trade you'd find. Even the Egypt-Palestine squabbles are not religious, nor is that brewing between America and Iran, or the past one against Iraq. But I guess I should let you name some wars you think were religious so we can analyse and decide.

This is what I wrote my dear buda note the bolded:

I have looked through a compilation of the history of war and it is interesting to note that before the advent of Christianity and Islam there was no record of a war of religion or one where religion was the main cause.

The crusades where primarily about Religion there was no interest in Jerusalem except as a religious symbol. That was the main reason even if other reasons got tacked on later.

Please point me the source for the consideration that Mohammed was fighting more about trade than religion.

GreyLaw:
True life story. Lol...

Oga how far with Trump's reinstatement as president? Any more "adventures" we should look forward to? LMFAO!

See strategy. Hoping to cashing in on his notoriety if he decides to run in 2023.

HappyPagan:
Which man? In what year was he born? What year did he die? What do you know about the Titanic apart from some silly story that God sent the iceberg to take down a ship...

Don't forget it's a jealous god so petty revenge is not beyond him. LMFAO!

HappyPagan:
All this crying.. I have cousins in Kaduna I visited last year. Y'all just read NL frontpage and make will stories about places you have never been to..


No where in Nigeria is safe. Life means nothing across the country... Whether Muslim, Christian or whatever... Nigeria eats it's children.

Christians like to imagine enemies peeking at them in every shadowy corner. It's terrible to be in a mental prison of your own making. That's how a Christian I know would have missed out on a terrific opportunity because they told her the person to help her, was using blood money. His parents died relatively young and the guy started making money after travelling aboard. Meanwhile the same dolts telling her all these stories were secretly collecting money from this same alleged ritualist. LMAO! I still can't stop laughing at the absurdity. And also to add these are the same people who believe their god saved someone from roasting in a furnace. LMFAO!

Dtruthspeaker:
In other words you now know that you are a Guilty Criminal and A Law Breaker!

Your fairy tale says somebody took the laws your god wrote with his own finger, broke it in anger and nothing happened to the "lawbreaker". LMFAO!

Xiaomi1:
who is this head slammer? Abi you want to hear the story of how a stupid man had sex with Aisha at 6?

LMAO! Category 1.

Gisborne6:
Boss man prayers work

Only in fictionalised accounts. Prayers are the same thing with tossing a coin, you get a 50/50 chance that the result you want is what will happen. If prayers worked you'd have a 100% guarantee that every time you pray, you will get exactly what you prayed for.

Akposy:
Ewa agoyin

My ewa agoyin making skills are improving by each new trial. This tasted amazing . Ewa agoyin is bae.

What's your preference? Ewa agoyin or Beans porridge

Beans porridge for me, I haven't figured out the whole ewa agoyin hype.

budaatum:
So, my Lord, the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanomachy#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DIn_Greek_mythology%2C_the_Titanomachy%2Cgenerations%2C_who_would_come_to?wprov=sfla1]Titans fighting against the Olympians[/url] is not record enough for you of a religious war before the advent of Christianity and Islam?

Or is it the fact that the record that comes down to us is mythologised as if it were Gods fighting that makes you miss the actual event that has been mythologised?

We Yorubas have a mythology of a war between Obatala and Oduduwa, but most think its about gods too and don't realise its just bad journalism.

On record that you have come across, my Lord, is what you mean, and despite all your resistance, I am increasing your record so you can correct it since I am sure you know your record hardly includes all that has been recorded! So make sure you read past the title, my Lord.

Now we cooking with gas! This is what I expected not quibbles about creating subsets.

Let's dig into the meat!

Sure we can speculate on what mythological tales really mean, maybe Zeus was angry because his father kicked his dog or they were really fighting over a piece of meat during a famine. Still doesn't add up to a religious war.

Generally speaking, when two pagan sides fought, it was acknowledged that the losing side had weaker gods than the winners, but the weaker gods were still considered 'real'. Sadly, the biggest obstacle to writing about pre-Christian religious wars is simply the lack of writings describing the war and the reasons for it: as such, we rarely have more than a "our gods say it's ok to kill these guys". If you want some examples of that, though, there a fairly large number:

Every war waged by the Pharaoh of Egypt was practically a religious war, since the Pharaoh was the leader of Egypt's main religion.
The Jewish wars in the old testament (like the Battle of Jericho) were almost all religious wars, at least according to the Bible.
The Persians apparently burned Greek temples in the various Persian invasions of Greece, so Alexander burned down the Persian palace in response.
The Vikings literally had a religion centered around war.
In the America's, wars were fought to capture slaves for the purpose of sacrifice, at least while the Aztecs were still around.

So if Pharoah shits its a religious shit?

Post hoc rationalisation does not count. Saying god said we could kill them after the fact is not a ground to call it a religious war.

Enlighten me on how the Vikings religion centred around war.

Burning buildings was standard during wars so how is burning Greek temples indicative of a religious war?

The Aztecs sacrificed their own populations sometimes not only captives so the main purpose of their wars could arguably not have been about obtaining sacrifice material.

For forced conversion into a polytheistic religion, there's the example of Antiochus IV of the Seleucid kingdom, who tried to force the worship of Greek gods onto Jews, thereby sparking the Maccabaean revolt.

The Maccabean revolt was not primarily about religion but civic oppression. When civil liberties are suspended including your religious one does fighting to restore your civic liberties mean you are fighting a religious war? And no they were not forcibly converted, that is blatantly wrong.

The Aztecs waged war on their neighbours to take sacrifical captives and slaves, and deliberately left their enemies as rump states so they could declare war on them again and again, practically farming them for sacrifices to their god.

Where is this person getting this idea from I wonder.

Many Chinese civil wars had a significant religious element to them. One of the most famous was the Yellow Headscarf Rebellion (184–205 AD) which was led by adherents of a Taoist sect called the “Path of Supreme Peace”. They proclaimed the rebellion a struggle between the old “Azure sky” (Han dynasty, largely a Confucian entity, at least in words) and the new “Yellow sky”.

I am beginning to suspect this person is just massaging the facts to fit a narrative. The Yellow Turban Rebellion was caused by a combination of famine, high taxation and exploitation not religion.

The Roman invasion of Gaul, which saw pagans on both sides of wars that lasted several years. After the Romans had succeeded in their cause, they set about suppressing the Gauls’ Druid priests, constructing their own temples over Celtic sites, and turning “holy springs” into thermal spas . Worship of native gods might be allowed, but that was largely only the case if such practices did not preclude the conquered from observing the practices of the Roman cult.

Again this was cultural suppression after conquest, it does not mean the conquest was done in the name of religion.

The Germanic Saxons, Angles, and Jutes invaded Celtic Britain, and they brought with them their own pagan beliefs, which they would eventually abandon for Christianity. Subsequently, other Germanic peoples would invade and bring pagan beliefs back to then-Christian Britain. In each of these cases, preexisting beliefs may have been tolerated to a certain extent, but the conquering peoples’ religious beliefs virtually always came to replace those of the conquered.

Christians were persecuted by Romans authorities because they were “other,” because they refused to honor the local gods and so dishonored both the gods and their worshippers, they refused to worship the Emperor and were thus disloyal to the state. Persecution of Christians happened in a variety of ways including social ostracization, confiscation of property, loss of public office, anti-Christian riots, and spasmodically in capital punishment. Perhaps the most well-known account is that of Nero’s cruel pogrom against Christians in Rome in the mid-60s AD. Tacitus noted how Nero blamed Christians for the burning of Rome. He picked on the Christians because by they were hated by the masses and they were tortured for public amusement! Now I could go on and mention the martyrdoms of Bishop Ignatius (ca. 110 AD), Bishop Polycarp (ca. 150 AD), Justin Martyr (ca. 165 AD), and the Perpetua and Felicity (ca. 203 AD) to name a few. But the post is long enough and you get the point. Pagans killed Christians because they hated them!

This is after Christianity is established so I fail to see how it adds to the point.

Are these people clowns? Or are they just trolling us?

MightySparrow:
Nothing will change in the new countries. The same people, with same values in different countries. When APC was being voted in, many collected ₦5,000, ₦10,000
Satchel of salt, sugar to bring in bad leaders.(may be you were among). God is not to blame for bad governance.
Germany was once like Nigeria, Otto Von Bismarck, almagamated the different ethnic entities. Same for UK, China, India under good leaders like Oliver Cromwell, Chairman Mao Zedong, Mahatma Gandhi. The natural disaster of black people is bad leaders. You feel you can do something different if given opportunity, I doubt it. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves..... W. Shakespeare.

I concur. We have vision less and spineless leaders who do not have the fortitude to do what is right for our collective future. The people in other lands don't have 2 heads or auxiliary brains, it's the same 1 head 1 brain we all have but those guys put their brain into gear while we like to contemplate the colour of the hair on our arses.

budaatum:
You very well know, my Lord, that the reason I "bother writing coherent sentences" is in order to be understood! And there is nowhere I said hahzvgfjrbdbbdhfbfbdj are all letters my Lord, though they might be, but you know it is not coherent unlike my response which you've described as coherent but which I feel is rather far too complex for you at this moment. But if you went back to your initial statement you'd see how its complexity might befuddle even you who wrote it, because it is as complex as my response but incorrect once deciphered.

I too wrote very coherently about how no war of religion is on record before the advent of Christianity and Islam but you want me to loose coherence by just blurring the lines and lumping every war into a single category. I suggest you apply the same tactic with your letters, just blur everything into a pile of letters, maybe even simplify it by making a single stream of mmmmmmmmm's. Or we could also tell people who go to the doctor and are prescribed medicine for kidney or liver problems to just go take Panadol, after all they are all medicine.

Distinctions exist for a purpose, you shouldn't be telling me ignore distinctions or else you're imploring me to loose coherence. You don't want that my dear buda, no you don't.

budaatum:
But that is not true. Since religion is an ideology, all religious wars are wars of ideology.


No, my Lord, your analogy is upside down and the wrong way round. For it is you who is claiming there were no wars when there were no supercomputers.

I am saying "there have always been wars", and since there have always been wars there have always been reasons (ideologies including religion) for the wars, and theatres (cyber, on the battlefield or in the mind), which change with the time. And calling them theatres alone shows they are not a cause but just the field, while the god can just be a tool similar to a bow and arrow or a nuclear bomb in some instances, or the cause of the war, as in that fought by the Crusaders and the Islamic Jihadists (though I say cause with reservations because I believe the religion is just a cloak for the wars).

There were wars before Islam or Christianity, my Lord. Caesar was a warlord going about conquering everywhere, and neither Islam nor Christianity nor cyber had nothing to do with any of it. The Greek states fought numerous wars amongst themselves and religion was not the cause, but actually a tool that was used to fight the wars just as the God was a tool used to attack the walls of Jericho and not that which was fought over.


You know I'll therefore ask you not to wave your hands, don't you my Lord. lol.

All wars were ideological. And religion is just one ideology that wars were fought over, and the fact that you "looked through a compilation of the history of war" and found no record simply means it was either not recorded where you looked, or rather and more accurately, you have not yet considered that all wars are wars of ideologies of which religion is just one.

Consider the following. Mao fought a war of ideology as did Hitler and neither ideology fits the definition of religion. Caesar and the Greek States that I have mentioned above and Constantine the Great fought ideological wars too and used religion as a tool.

Its a case of which is a subset and which is the whole, and I am suggesting that religion fits into ideologies and not the other way around.

I dunno why you bother writing coherent sentences since typing hahzvgfjrbdbbdhfbfbdj would have worked as well, according to you they are all letters.

He is trying to blow his own horn. EPIC FAIL!

budaatum:
Sorry my Lord, but you are wrong.

First, what you call "war of religion" is really simply a war because of irreconcilable differences in ideologies.

Pre-religious ideological wars would have been fought between homosapiens and neanderthals, and the three Nahua altepetl city-states: Mexico-Tenochtitlan, Tetzcoco, and Tlacopan fought between themselves despite neither Christianity and Islam adventing amongst them, as did numerous warring factions in pre-Christian and pre-Islamic ancient China, and ancient Rome, and ancient Greece, and ancient my own pre-Christian and pre-Islamic Yoruba Land.

Point is, there is a lot of record of war that had absolutely nothing to do with religion, because we know we humans have gone to war over water, and land, both of which have absolutely nothing to do with religion. Even the first and second world wars were not religious wars since they were in fact mostly wars between those of one single religion.

I'm sorry buda but you are wrong. If we simply broaden definitions till everything fits in one big circle then there is no point in making distinctions. No war of idealogy was over religion, simple. What you are saying is like someone saying there has never been a cyber war until the advent of supercomputers then you say no the person is wrong because war must always have a theater so it doesn't matter that its a cyber war. There is a reason for definitions and distinctions, waving your hands will not wish them away.

What doesn't exist cannot do anything.

iSpirit1:
I mean, "God created evil" should be understood in the context that "God created Lucifer" not "God is evil". God is not evil. He is good, and created good things. But, the good that God created transformed itself to Evil because God gave it Freewill.

And yeah, Lucifer and Satan are not the same. Because it was Lucifer God created, and not Satan. Had Lucifer remained the way God created him, Satan wouldn't evil. But, Satan came to being because Lucifer chose evil.

Wait so something can create itself without your god's help? Wow this is interesting tell me more.

1Sharon:
Only abrahamic religions do that. Pagan religions are peaceful.

I have looked through a compilation of the history of war and it is interesting to note that before the advent of Christianity and Islam there was no record of a war of religion or one where religion was the main cause.

CharisEleos:
He is the I am that I am. He does as He pleases.

Can you have it if a pot you moulded tells you it doesn't like the way you moulded it? I'm sure your reaction would be worse.
I'm sure you'd just crush it with your feet.

Go and read the book of job and see where God made him understand who He is and his supremacy over everything he has created.

You better thank God for Jesus. Mind you, God, being a loving father still manifested himself in the person of Jesus to save you and I. So instead of sitting there judging your maker, I'll advise you embrace Him and the works he did for you on the cross of Calvary.

God loves his creation. HE IS A GOOD GOD.

If a pot I moulded spoke then I'd be very happy to remould it because it means I am a powerful god that can mould talking pots. LoLz

budaatum:
You are not allowed to tell anyone my Lord, or people might start to wonder why you'd love Bible obsessed buda!

Either they come join the love train or they can remain in their pitiful lil corner. LMFAO!

budaatum:
Despite what you are told Jesus never assumed to be a God neither, though the [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+2%3A5-9&version=KJV]wuruwuru in the text[/url] might make you think otherwise by a mean stretch of the imagination.

I know what Saint Happy does, and he will live very long to continue doing it. But after he finally passes away and we write his text we can wuruwuru it as we like and stretch imaginations so he programmed limbs for the amputated and he won't be able to deny it just as Jesus can't deny he's alive.

LMAO! I love you buda, oh how I love you.

cococandy:
Chicken breast and ham. Thanks

Even better. Delish!

1Sharon:
Jebus Crust

Thick or thin?

LoLz

Konkoja:
BREAKING: Trump permanently SHUTS DOWN his new website https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9644569/Trump-permanently-SHUTS-website-posted-statements-amid-social-media-ban.html?ito=native_share_channel-home-preview

What next No 45?

LoL! Now that he is no longer president, I very much doubt he will fork out the cash to use to travel and set up rallies around the country or else I would have said that's what he'll do. Bwahahahahaha!