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PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 10:04pm On Feb 21, 2016
Lalasticlala no vex o... Na joke

That feeling when Lalasticlala is viewing your thread

tongue shocked

PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 9:50pm On Feb 21, 2016
E be like say OP done disappear.

Tonyebarcanista, come and enlighten your followers by admitting you made a mistake in judgement.

It can happen to any of us.
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 9:47pm On Feb 21, 2016
DeLaRue:
Kazakhstan - the postal child of glutonous oil spending, the richest country in Central Asia is on its knees now.

According to Al Jazeera, "Many struggling to make ends meet in main city of Central Asian nation whose economy is heavily dependent on oil." http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/global-oil-glut-leaves-kazakhstan-reeling-160204150626887.html

Their currency has fallen sharply, and the government recently cut their budget by 40%!


If Buhari cuts Nigeria's budget by 40%, all hell will break loose with PDP and misinformed youths calling for arms to fight the 'dictator.'

Btw, 40% reduction in Nigeria's budget will cause near - mass starvation of a sizable portion of the Nigerian population.
Please if you have got the time, create a well researched and concise thread listing oil dependent national economies that are suffering from the current oil glut. It will enlighten a lot of us.

I didn't know about Kazakhstan's troubles. You see am?
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 9:26pm On Feb 21, 2016
The one that's gets at me the most is to see imported palm oil.

Even that popular packaged burger (ground) nuts is made in Ghana as at the last time I checked.

There is nothing wrong with foreigners doing business in Nigeria but the preponderance of import even with common products is a no no.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op):
eLcastro:
lol....badh guy.,juz so i displease u...we was a sick NOI doin wel dan a health Kemi...one start wonderin if she was well.,she 4 fyt dat committee chairman
I swear NOI started by looking weak and sick until the committee chairman who saw through it all, asked her to go home and come back later.
Immediately, the lion in her woke up. It is so funny.

But seriously, that is not how to comport ones self in especially when holding public office.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 9:12pm On Feb 21, 2016
agabaI23:
lol let me rephrase my question.

What indicators of performance do you want us to compare...
Again my Braille question stands.

The video is a simple comparison on how they performed while facing NASS finance committees. It was meant to be a relaxing and comedic post.

It had nothing to do with the economy until one NOI supporter brought up the economy in her support.

The rest, they say, is history
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 9:12pm On Feb 21, 2016
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m):
DeLaRue:
Op said, for a while, he restrained himself from commenting on the present economic situation.

Given the nonsense he wrote above, he should have listened to his inner counsel and keep mum.
Chei! You are wicked o.

I think we need to discuss this thread in depth. There are many lessons on it and why we need to understand economic fundamentals.


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PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 8:57pm On Feb 21, 2016
agabaI23:
What are we supposed to compare?
Someone help me please. How can I post a thread in Braille on Nairaland?
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 8:56pm On Feb 21, 2016
Elosky20:
he forgot to mention that in 2008 our foreign reserve was $64.8 bilion, bt in 2016 it is $28.8 bilion, the govt used it to defend the naira then.
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/2007-2012-movement-in-foreign-reserves-account/138991/
Lalasticlala, Mynd44 food is here o
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 8:53pm On Feb 21, 2016
eLcastro:
workin on a zero based budgeting..op u dey china.? Cuz here 4 9ja we neva evn get budget grin
But think about it. This is how we have been passing budget in previous years without scrutiny. What they do is submit copied, pasted and padded budget to NASS. Then bribe NASS members with either more padding or monetary payments to pass the budget as is.

What happened this time is good for Nigeria. The budget was padded by the Directors and Perm Secs of the various MDAs. So when NASS memebers did not get their own share, they started scrutinising the budget bit by bit. It is a wake up call for Buhari. Nobody in Nigeria's civil service can be trusted.

So it is good that we have no budget now. They're fixing it and that's what we need.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 8:46pm On Feb 21, 2016
kayfra:
Comparing someone defending the national budget for the first time versus someone that has done it several times since OBJ days is asinine.

The OP has some loose screws.
Those were the days of copy and paste budget. Kemi is working with zero based budgeting.
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 8:39pm On Feb 21, 2016
Elosky20:
he is good in politics, bt nt an economist
It is obvious.
BusinessRe: Nightmare On Naira Street!, By ‘tope Fasua by LRNZH(m): 8:23pm On Feb 21, 2016
Thank God he does not see Devaluation as the solution as some have being clamouring for.

Blame who you want but let's focus on the right issues.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 8:14pm On Feb 21, 2016
mnairaland:
Sorry.Just wanted to capture ur monica.

BTW
That was insightful analysis.
Thank you sir/ma. Lack of knowledge kills, so we are trying to spread the little we have.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 8:10pm On Feb 21, 2016
madridsta007:
I am not partisan, my friend. I find these comparisons quite inane and unnecessary. The ECA was funds put aside for 'rainy days'. You see it is all about wisdom. Are you a Christian? Do you know that putting away excess savings for later days, was the concept Joseph used in saving Egypt from famine? Norway has about $700bn in a sovereign fund. They had started saving decades ago, hence theirs is that much. Most oil producing countries have such funds; hence, out of 40 oil producing countries or so, you find Nigeria only wailing about the drop in oil prices. The ECA might have been unconstitutional, but it was common-sense. Your governors messed that common sense reasoning up, and to hang their mess on NOI is simply ridiculous.
You are correct but not quite.

The FG wanted to save the state govts' monies in ECA while they were squandering theirs.
The States fought for their 30 or so %. Why didn't the FG save it's 52% in the ECA if the states refused to cooperate?

That's the question that Ngozi has failed to answer till today.
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m):
TonyeBarcanista:
1. Shagari lost power through coup and even won re-election. It has nothing to do with oil slump.

2. IBB lost power through demand for democracy. In fact, after devaluating the Naira through SAP, he squandered whatever came of it. It has nothing to do with oil slump.

3. GEJ lost power because people were fed up with his handling of the economy. However, his government Deliberately devaluated Naira from 155 to 167 in 2014, and later to 199 in early 2015. However, the Open market rate didn't exceed 230/$. It has nothing to do with oil slump.

For the record, oil price crashed in 2008 December and 2009 February to $30pb without killing the Naira.


This astronomic fall has nothing to do with dollar...
Lol can you imagine?

What led to the dissatisfaction that caused the coups in 1983 and 1985?

Why were Nigerians so fed up in 1993 after supporting IBB's coup in 1985?

Why did GEJ lose the election in 2015?

It is always 'the economy stoopid'. You can never remove the economy from politics my friend. And as you know, the Nigerian economy is oil dependent.

By the way, the CBN Governor's last name is spelt Emefie l e and not Emefie ll e. Single L. Correct the title of this thread.

Sheish...see me reiterating easy stuff here
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 7:54pm On Feb 21, 2016
Yyeske:
Please try educate the OP better, so amazed at the nonsense he wrote up there. He never said anything about the increase in imports and reduction of our exports, not saying anything about our not having any buffers to cushion this melt down, increase in our population and reduction in income was not addressed by him. Educate him more.
OP, in your spare time peruse through this thread. It will help you: https://www.nairaland.com/2945238/naira-2016-devalue-not-devalue
PoliticsRe: CAN Election, Some Nigerians Do Not Know Their President - Femi Adesina by LRNZH(m): 7:52pm On Feb 21, 2016
Flexherbal:
Can we separate politics from religion?
That's what Adeshina is saying.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 7:49pm On Feb 21, 2016
santino09:
Scientific method? A economy? Ah brother change your lifestyle oooo.
So you don't know that Economics is a Social Science. It applies scientific methods to social welfare issues.
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 7:37pm On Feb 21, 2016
Elosky20:
why is the same oil slump affecting the economy of saudi-arabia and venezuela then or is buhari the president there.
Honestly, I am amazed by this OP exposing his lack of understanding in economics.
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m):
TonyeBarcanista:
I believe you can comprehend. Read the OP again and the post after it to get the message. This is NOT the first time there will be oil slump in case you don't know.
LOL .... Yes oil price slump happened in the 80s under Shagari.... Happened in the 90s under IBB. And in 2014 before GEJ left office.

All these 3 presidents lost power largely because of this. It is not new.

The blame lies at the doors of administrations who could not diversify the economy and save to build buffers during surpluses in their tenure.

Your post is exposing GEJ's failures but you don't know. If GEJ's government saved enough money, there would have been a buffer. Go check how the Saudis are using their massive foreign reserve now. That's why I recommend you understand economic fundamentals before laying blames at the wrong door.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 7:32pm On Feb 21, 2016
madridsta007:
If the share of the Government's ECA was taken or used by NOI, in any ILLEGAL way, the current Government would have SINCE made it public and asked for her arrest.

However, they can not as she acted within the ambit of the law and, thankfully, still has possession of documents and signed approvals of the ECA spend.

Ask yourself why the FG has used flimsy propaganda to chase her- propaganda which they have ceased to use, as she released facts to embarrass them?

She works for major international agencies- if there was any proof of theft against her, why has the government not issued an international arrest warrant via interpol on her?

The major problem with our present unitary system are the Governors, some of whom, have budgets larger than many African countries- according to a report by the BBC. Instead of Buhari using his assumed anti-corruption notoriety to pursue and investigate these ones, he however blessed them with a bail out.
LOL. Where do the monies being investigated and returned in Dasukigate, Nimasagate come from.
Foreign AffairsRe: Former Israeli Prime Minister Begins Serving Prison Sentence For Corruption. by LRNZH(m):
So will GEJ......

My lawyers intervene.
No comment
PoliticsRe: Astronomic Fall Of The Naira: President Buhari And Emefielle Should Be Blamed by LRNZH(m): 7:22pm On Feb 21, 2016
Eiya.... Econs-101 lecture is strongly advised.

The simple relationship between a commodity based mono-economy and the impact of low commodity prices is too difficult for the OP to comprehend.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 7:20pm On Feb 21, 2016
modath:
Just get ready for anonimi's forro assault for this ya kweshion.... cheesy cheesy

According to his pictoral ads......
Anonimi is a grassroots cartoon distributor at best grin cheesy tongue
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 5:59pm On Feb 21, 2016
MayorofLagos:
Who is this bad boy? 'm fallaw dis nyggah hian!
Boss, you killed it, YOU KILLED IT.MEHN!!

Dang! All yanmiris should.come and bow to this guy. This is the real gburugburu in case yall dont know! cheesy cheesy
Lol. Oga mi. Thanks for the compliments. Abeg leave tribalism out. Thanks one again.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op):
MayorofLagos:
Performance is measured on scorecard metrics over a service term, not on 10mins presentation.

If you want true comparison on image, then go and bring NOI video on her first term under Obasanjo and at the end of her first two months in office. That will give use true and fair comparison of the two at the spot in their service.

You agree?

You are spot on with your first comment.

The thread is a simple video comparison. If you have worked in a big firm before or managed a business, you should know that many times, a ten minutes presentation is all you have to sell your ideas.
Never undermine the power of that short time window. However, it was commenters that expanded the discussions to economic management.

That said, the metrics that we have looked at shows that Ngozi was finance minister under generous conditions of high oil price. Under OBJ she performed OK but was sacked in the end. Under GEJ, when oil prices were at their highest, she saved barely anything. She did not lead efforts to diversify the economy or fight corruption.

In the end, Kemi, I would rate higher than Ngozi. Kemi has held a smaller portfolio so far but performed in all. Ngozi with her larger experience failed Nigeria.

I hope we are clear now.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op): 5:09pm On Feb 21, 2016
oduastates:
In other words , they do not like the fact that Buhari is not allowing our money to fly out of our coffers
A hit job .
It might interest you that they said almost exactly the same thing in 1984.
However 1984 happened to be the only year in the 80s that Nigeria was able to pay for all her imports without borrowing from foreign banks
The painful thing about Buhari's austerity measures in 1984 is that it did not have enough time like SAP to either bear fruits or fail woefully. It was truncated in less than 2 years by IBB. We can never predict the outcome.

SAP, we can conclude that it failed because we had 8 full years of its implementation.

Look at countries that became self sufficient like Singapore and China. They took over 20 years to implement their home-grown economic policies.

So, when anyone points to 1984 as an example of a failed policy, I do not take them serious.
PoliticsRe: President Buhari To Visit Saudi Arabia, Qatar by LRNZH(m): 5:02pm On Feb 21, 2016
FriendChoice:
Don't be a lie. This is presidential villa Abuja President Muhammadu Buhari (L) Receiving Letters of Credence from the Ambassador-Designate of The King of Saudi Arabia To Nigeria, Mr Fahad Abdullah-Sefyan, at the Presidential Villa in Abuja.
Wailers can lie sha.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Economic Challenges, Jonathan/ngozi Would Have Done Better? by LRNZH(m): 4:59pm On Feb 21, 2016
Obiagelli:
Its unfortunate that 16yrs of Pdp rule could not diversify the economy, a consequence o SAP
SAP, 16 years of PDP. Nothing positive to show.
PoliticsRe: Kemi Adeosun Vs. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Video Comparison by LRNZH(op):
jamesibor:
This is what the Economist had to say about Kemi;

“However, the new finance minister, an accountant who cleaned up the books of one of Nigeria’s smaller states, is poorly qualified for the job."

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21678776-after-six-months-nigerias-president-no-longer-leads-alone-work-last
In fact, this is the link I was looking for. Thanks for making my point.

Look at the bolded. She "cleaned up Ogun State's books". Even The Economist (TE) admitted that.

Now ask yourself why TE thinks she's poorly qualified as finance minister? We are guessing it's because she has not worked in a Bretton-Woods institution like the World Bank of IMF. Meanwhile we can see how Ngozi who is one of their own failed at the same job.

That is just westerners believing that only themselves understand Economics. Did the Chinese rely on any of these Western country to grow itself?

Let us not allow inferiority complex direct our thinking.


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