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budaatum:
Paul's country was part of the Roman Empire when he was born so he would have been a Jew and a Roman, just like those of us born pre-1960 were Nigerians with British passports.

Noted. Thank you.

Kobojunkie:
Paul was born to Jewish parents(making in a Jew of course), in the country of Damascus, which at the time was under Roman occupation i.e. a part of the known Roman Empire back then.

So thank you for quoting the passage you quoted, let's go back to the same chapter you quoted and let's go downward Phil 3:5

. “The high priest and the whole council of older Jewish leaders can tell you that this is true. One time these leaders gave me some letters. The letters were to the Jewish brothers in the city of Damascus. I was going there to arrest the followers of Jesus and bring them back to Jerusalem for punishment.

Please follow my thought.

1. Paul is a Roman name. Saul is a Jewish name

2. When Paul was arrested he told them he was born a Roman. And when he was writing to the church of Philippians he said he was born a jew

According to what I quoted up there, the followers of Christ were being arrested because they were going against the establish teachings of that time.

My question to you, what's the different between the Jewish leaders and the Christian leaders of today?

Kobojunkie:
Correct
No, Paul was a Jew. In fact he was in training as a Pharisee
Correct!
Correct!
You are right. Every person who makes the decision to follow Jesus Christ is commanded by Jesus Christ to follow Him, and not men.We are all called to accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ who is the New Covenant that God promised His people through the Prophets

But in Act 22 : 27 : 28, Paul in own words

27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

Please explain the above.

MightySparrow:
1. Paul wasn't living in Israel during the three and half years ministry of Jesus. Read Act of Apostles. He was taking letters from the Leaders in Jerusalem to arrest people that followed Jesus teachings and ways. He said he was from Tarsus, modern day Turkey. They may have. never have met in person. However, His choice as an Apostle was absolutely Jesus'

2. When Jesus talked to him in an encounter among many travellers, Jesus had to introduce himself to Paul.
He , Jesus, even sent him to Anna's to tell him more about his assignment.

3. Well I do have, but not as Paul whose ministry was to introduce the true God to a people with no knowledge of Him. And, the saving grace in Jesus. As a Christian, all I do is according to what is written, not to stand in isolation or have a special revelation of God like Mohammad.

4. He was a pioneer of s new other, I am not.

5. In spite of calling to specific ministry, he has a choice as I. He chose not to marry not by commandment. Jeremiah also didn't marry by choice. Jesus chose Peter a married man. Paul decided not to take anything from members not because it was the rule but choice.
If not because of the spread of Christianity, all the books of Moses, David etc would not be known. They were circulating among Israelites alone. Paul analyses of them gives the understanding that what was once thought to be for Israel alone has global application, some of them.

1. You are missing my point. You and Paul didn't get to meet Jesus when he was on earth. You learnt about him through others who met him. You and Paul are in the same category.

2. Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus by seeing a light. He didn't see Jesus eye to eye. Haven't you encountered Christ before? What makes Paul's case spectacular?

3. Exactly my point. You all choose a mediocre life. You all choose go through life by doing copy copy. You are living Paul's life. You are living a life that's not yours. You have all choose to put God in a box. I believe God's dynamic and we shouldn't see God the same way.

4. You choose to be a follow follow. You choose live your life according to the dictates of others.

5. That's another way where the teachings of Christ is different from Paul. Christ detest the church structure but Paul believed in it. What do I mean?

Mark 13 : 1-2

And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Kobojunkie:
Now it all makes a lot of sense!

Not saying that you are wrong in any way... just that I finally get you.

Thank you for getting me but I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Kobojunkie:
As long as their teachings don't lead to death?

I am curious now...do you believe in Jesus Christ or is this just a hobby for you?

I'll be honest with you. I don't believe Christ was born by virgin Mary. I don't believe he died on that cross for our sin. I believe the Bible have been doctored by men in order to control men.

MightySparrow:
1. Paul met Jesus, who commissioned him, and gave him the template to follow. Acts 9 :3 - 6; 15 - 17
2. Paul was a Jew, from the tribe of Benjamin, he was a student of Gamaliel, an expert of Hebrew's Law, he was living in Damascus, he obtained Roman citizenship.
3. He was a man like me, and unlike me because God gave him an assignment to me - a gentile. Not the other way round.
4. Our journey through life are not and cannot be the same because we are on different assignments.
5. Since God reached me through him, I must live by the wisdom communicated via him by God. Wisdom of God not of Paul.
It is like you don't have a Bible or you don't read it.

1. But did he meet him when he was alive?
2. Let me have a scriptural reference
3. So you don't have a ministry? Emphasis on ministry. Not church.
4. If you are on different assignment then why did you say he was unlike you in your 3rd point?
5. In what way did God reach you through him? Remember you have read other books written by those who said they are inspired by God such as David, Solomon, Moses. God gave David wisdom to marry many wives while he gave Paul wisdom to marry no wife. My question again, if your journey in life are not the same why apply the wisdom God gave to Paul to your life?

Kobojunkie:
You receive a lot of negative emotions?

You were feeling like the devil depriving people of their means of livelihood? Do you care more for the livelihood of those Jesus Christ called false teachers and false prophets than you do about professing the Truth of Jesus Christ?

So when is the day that speaking the Truth of God over the lies that are the doctrines and traditions of men will again come back in "fashion" for you?

When will it come back in fashion?

I honestly don't know. As long as their teachings don't to lead to death, I have learnt to make my peace with it. Live and people live. If the teachings work for them, who am I to disagree.

MightySparrow:
I just burst into this thread. I once had kobojunkie's views interesting on Paul's writings. However, I beg to differ. Jesus and Paul do not differ in their teachings at all.

1. Jesus Himself after ascension looked for Paul who had under had understanding in the Law of Moses to pass across His mind. Mind you, during Jesus earthly ministry, Paul was in Syria. He didn't know Jesus. This is made clear in his encounter on the way to Damascus.

2. Paul taught mostly what was revealed to him, which the earlier Apostles could comprehend being unlettered. Peter attested to this 2 Peter 3:15-16

3. The whole of New Testament arrangements and worship patterns and ministerial offices are different from those of Old Testament in context and content.
This was made known to Paul to relate to the church. The early apostles didn't even know what to believe. They saw manifestation of the Holy Spirit. They had to hold the first synod to agree on what to start with different from the Mosaic arrangements.

4. The Ministerial offices rather than hierarchy is exclusive given by the giftings of the Spirit rather than what we have today.
5. On the whole, there are two syllabuses for the same course presented to two different dispensations. In the New World, the foundation would be laid with the names of the Apostles or their teachings

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 2: 19 - 20


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The gate marked with the names of the children of Israel as I think, the whole of the world are only twelve races to God
( When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deuteronomy 32: 8 )

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Revelation 12 12 - 16

6. I don't think Paul did anything differently, although, Paul gave some opinions in some cases and he remarked that especially on marital issues and women in ministry. And in some cases, his suggestion was for the time being.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. ICor. 7: 26.

In relation to the second point you raised, let me highlight part of the scripture you quoted.... 2nd Peter 3:15

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him

Emphasis on Wisdom God gave to him. This is my question to you. Was Paul's wisdom higher than the wisdom God gave to you? Please have this at the back of your mind before giving me an answer.

1. Paul never got to meet Christ neither do you
2. Paul was not a jew neither are you
3. Paul was a man, so are you
4. Paul journey through life is not the same as yours
5. So why must you apply the same wisdom God gave to him to your journey in life?

I believe her. One don't have to be close to FFK before one know that he is not mentally okay. His lack of self awareness and his ability to change his belief in accordance to who pays him shows he's not okay.

See the way he treats that beautiful woman like a slave and that's the mentality of most Nigerian men. They see women as their footmat. The day one get married to them is the day you lose your dignity, voice, self Esteem and lose opportunities. Marriage is synonymous to slavery.

The annoying thing is that women that are already trap in this slavery institution will be praying for their daughters to be trap in it instead of praying for a non-chauvinist man for them.

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, indeed, His followers are commanded against installing themselves into such hierarchies(positions of authority or leadership) over their bretheren as is found among the gentiles, as you rightly pointed out.

I too disbelief Paul's supposed statement there which you point out as it stands in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ whom we are called to accept(trust) and obey.

God bless you. You asked why I stopped @ no 4 and I'm going to answer you honestly. It's simply because I realise people are not ready for the truth.

When working on these threads, I received alot of negative emotions. I was feeling like the devil depriving people of their means of livelihood. That's never my objective. Maybe one day I'll be inspire to finish what I started.

Emeraldgreene:
[ITS WOMEN WHO ARE NOT FEMINIST THAT SUFFER THIS. THANK GOD IM FEMINIST AND ALHA LAST YEAR I BOUGHT MY MUM A HOUSE IN THE STATES. I PAID IN CASH WITH MONEY FROM MY OWN COMPANY,I STARTED WEN I WAS A YOUNG GIRL.quote author=luvmijeje post=99482951]

Go girl!

Saidfx:
All in the name of foolish marriage, you won't have ambition, you won't have a dream and most importantly you won't have a plan. You will rely your purpose on earth on a 'man'.

How or what do you mean by foolish marriage, luvmijeje So make person know marry again because of some celeb, unsubstantial news. Your comments here shows how hurtful your past relationships have been with the opposite sex. I pity people that follow your own kind of mind set. Don't marry o!

This is not the issue of celeb. This is an issue of women who crush their ambitions, their dreams, their gifts, opportunities and purpose in life all in the name of marriage.

They were brainwashed by religion and by culture that it is the only way they can hold on to a man.

It's a lie from the pit of hell. A man will always be a man. A woman must be true to herself.

Lobatan o!

It's a lesson for women! All in the name of foolish marriage, you won't have ambition, you won't have a dream and most importantly you won't have a plan. You will rely your purpose on earth on a 'man'.

They will cage your destiny all in the name of religion and marriage. The beginning and the end of your life is a man. A man that that can be control by sex.

For now, they should hide themselves till the stubborn one among them have sense.

How dare them think they can do and undo! This relationship must be reset.

The only solution to this issue is for public grazing to be outlawed and for the arrest and public prosecution of those who go against this law.

They should all Sharrrap!

To hell with their Presidency!

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Nigeria and Yorubas people are illiterate because they want Nigeria they are selling their children's future. It is the same thing in South Africa the head of Nigerian community is Yorubas are all the positions in South Africa he went to give to fulanis. Europe and America Yorubas the worst set of people you can meet, they just sall one another out

Thank you. Oloshi!

This is the kind of news that I want to be reading. I don't want to hear Fulani kidnapped or killed a Yoruba person. I don't want that kind of cowardly news.

After one year of this kind of news maybe the foolish leaders we elected at the National and State level will be know the right thing to do. And probably after one year the Yorubas will also demand for amnesty.

dignity33:
which Kings the one that sold your land to Fulani ?

They sell lands to all tribes. I personally don't mind the Kings selling lands to them for ranching. At that point the relationship is beneficial. Most butchers in the Southwest are Yorubas. A lot of people relies on these cows as a source of livelihood.

But when you have herders who believe they are above the laws and they can do and undo then that relationship has become parasitic. It needs to be reset.

dignity33:
Go to the Forests to attack criminal herdsmen not legitimate citizen like you.

Stop giving us foolish advice. Where were you when the Kings and Citizens were crying out for the protection of the security personnel?

You have not seen anything yet. It will get to a stage, it will be Northerners identifying the criminals among themselves.

What utter rubbish! The herders needs their mind to be quickly disabuse that they are above the laws.

Yes, Nigeria is one but there are people who are indigenous to every part of this country and their rules and laws needs to be respected.

When they finish acquiring it, they should limit the usage to the North. They should not bring their madness to the Southwest.

You all should tell Kanu to mind his business. He should stop advising Southwest. He should limit his words of wisdom to the Southeast.

This is the consequence of cuddling criminals that are from the same tribe with you. So these are the people you want to give amnesty to. The people who are suppose to know better wants to incentivise criminality.

Before they turn Southwest to North, the Southwest should the needful and stop reporting herdsmen who are criminals to the Police.

johnkey:
show me the link to any prosecuted fulani criminal then i can agree with your point, until then coup\war is the only answer to nigeria problems

But have the North ever come out as one against the interest of the Herders? Progress.

But have the North ever come together to form solutions to the problem of the Herders? Progress

Most importantly have the North ever come out publicly against a sitting President from their side? Most people missed the implication of what they did. After the President failed to lead, the Northern Governors lead.

All these happened without a coup.

johnkey:
in a saner climate when leaders give orders that destroys peaceful massses there should be a coup against those leaders by the security agencies but it's a different case here hence my hatred for them. their loyalty should lie with the country not the useless thiefs politicians, i'm sure they are still owing those idiots salary from last year. awon slaves oshi

You want to create chaos. They have done it several times in this country and where has it lead us? Rather the leaders that have emerge from it have been more bloody and corrupt.

A coup is a lazy way out. We need to weaken the center.

johnkey:
but politicians and their slaves puppets(police and army) should be free for oppresing peaceful innocent masses abi, no worry herdsmen will teach you sense soon, na small remain.

The police and the the Armies are not our enemies. The are receiving orders from the top. Your anger should be directed to those who have the power to direct them.

Kingstanding:
. Well you're right because you are not bothered If Lagos State burn to ashes and with your statement I'm very sure that you have agreed and concluded that Lagos belongs to Yoruba. With the way some Igbos and Yorubas hate one another I'm damn sure that southern region will be at lost. Why did we find it difficult to forgive one another? Pls and pls let love lead.

Once again, when it comes to politics there is no Southern Region.

And it annoys me like hell when I see our youths not understanding the politics of this country.

johnkey:
catch me if you can hahahaha thank god for nairaland, govt and their slave supporters(you and other zombies) that hate free speech would have arrested anyone opposing them. ela ojukan

You have said it already but you shouldn't be free from the consequences of your hate speech. In a sane country you would have been arrested.

johnkey:
you are a bloody fool and worse a slave.

You are so evil. Infact, your name should call evil. How dare you say that kind of thing in a public space. You should be trace by the security agencies.