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MuttleyLaff:
You know this, I know this, and most of others too, as well know that
tithing was approved by Christ during and/or for a different dispensation that was under a different arrangement

Christ did encourage forming of church,
especially with sending out disciples to go round the world to preach
about the good news of the Kingdom and demonstrate the power of the Kingdom

This Christ did, inanticipation of the church He promised He is going to build

How do you mean by this remark?
Please rephrase as it is coming out incomprehensible

Luke 9:1-5

Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.

5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

How does the above correlate with the church of today?

In all honesty, the wisest man in the Bible is Joseph. I'm not impress by others. He was the only one that I felt never abuses the name of God. He never use God's name to force people to do his will.

bknight:
Fair enough. Except, of course, one thing makes this peculiar..

I'm listening please.

MuttleyLaff:
No there wasn't church
but then if one wants to debate it, there was congregation in the wilderness before the era of Christ.
Why do you ask?
What's this question about?
What are you driving at with this intriguing question?

Thank you for asking.

Since there was no church, it simply means there was no room for offering and there was no room for tithe. So how could Christ have approved or dissaproved?

During the era of Christ, he never encouraged the forming of church. Rather he sent out men to go round the world to preach about the coming Kingdom.

How sure are we the building of Church is not anti-christ?

Originakalokalo:
...Don't worry about how I know...

The secret things belong to God....there is nothing secret from him

He reveals it to his prophets...

Elisha was in his room far away and was getting information about the military strategy of the king of Syria.

Hehehe!!!!! I sha like you. So God told you he was lying? It's well. Do you see how I kept quiet because you claimed God said. Please have it at the back of your mind because I'll bring it to your remembrance.

sexiestharam:
I don't know which section best suits this topic but i feel it is spiritual so i decided to post it here. I had a dream this afternoon that my father gave me two shoes but not of the same pair to wear. I wore them. Then I woke up. Please what could this mean because I don't feel it is an ordinary dream.

First of all your dream is spiritual meaning it connotes and carries other meaning.

Let me break it down before telling you what it means.

Your father gave you two shoes simply means you are about to begin a journey.

But not of the same pair simply means it's a journey that has a lot of oppositions.

But you wore it simply means it's a journey you have began.

Personal note: There's no journey a man will embark on that one won't face great opposition but for your dream to warn you ahead of it, it simply means it's a journey that you have not experience before or ever think you will experience.

strenghtt:
oshua 9:5, And old shoes and clouted upon their feet, and old garments upon them; and all the bread of their provision was dry [and] mouldy.
Song-of-Solomon 7:1, How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince’s daughter! the joints of thy thighs [are] like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
Luke 10:4, Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

WHAT IS SHOE?


Webster English dictionary defines shoes to cover for protection, strength, or ornament. It also describes shoes as another person’s situation or position.
The Bible however gives us a completely different picture of shoe.
As far as the word of God is concerned, shoes goes beyond just the physical needs such as direction and focus. You are considered poor and disgrace in every area of your life where you keep dreaming about lost of shoes.
Therefore, an incomplete shoe in the dream is the opposite of a complete two sets of shoes. Shoe represent the symbol of direction. It was clear in the above passage that shoe can also stand against marital blessing.

You can be delayed in destiny when your shoes are not complete in the dream. Your marriage can be delayed when your shoes are not in good condition. Your relationship can be hindered when you wear different sizes of shoe in the dream.

The devil understands this fact that shoe brings a beauty to a woman and a prestige to a man. The devil may not steal your clothes, he may not even exchange your hands, but the devil can steal your shoes and exchange it as the case maybe.


If we look at this dream very carefully, we will discover that many people are not satisfied with the outcome of this dream, ranging from loss of shoes to different sizes of shoes.
What adds to the beauty of a woman, it is her shoe. In fact, the shoes of a woman attracts her to men. You can also be operating in marital curse when another person used your shoes.


There is a problem when you could not find your shoes in the dream. That means that you stand risk of a great loss and destruction.
Shoes in the spiritual realm are mostly used by the enemy to send a signal to a believer that they are after his or her marital destiny. Many people have encountered this dream and they don’t know what to do to overcome it.
READ THIS: Loss of shoe in the dream is a clear sign of marital manipulation. There are powers that uses strange shoes to trouble the marital destiny of people. Once these entities are destroyed, your shoes of destiny would appear.
Most of these demonic shoes are kept in place by unbroken evil covenants and curses. This is dream that indicate the spirit of poverty and marital delay is seriously at work in a person’s life.
You may not have idea of the person that used your shoe. But you will definitely know that you have lost a precious thing or blessing in your life.


WHAT DOES SHOES IN THE DREAM MEAN?


Shoe in the dream could be good or bad. For example, if you see a man bought a new set of shoes for you in the dream. That is a good dream. It means a special and a golden gift that serves as a gateway to your marriage is coming.
If this dream is regularly, ask God to intervene concerning your marital plans. God may use this dream to pass a message across to you that you should hold on that your marriage is around the corner.

The key one: if you dream of a bad shoe, I mean a shoe that is so bad in shape, you should rebuke that dream. Why? It means there is a problem between you and your partner.
Pray that God should settle the differences between two of you. To steal means to lose. When a person stole your sets of shoes, it means the devil has stolen the time and season of the manifestation of your marriage.

If it happens that it was one shoe that was stolen, pray hard that God should restore whatever the enemy has killed in your marriage. It is a serious matter.
To wear shoe that doesnt fit your legs in the dream symbolize lack of comfort, peace and joy in your mariage/relationship or in whatever you are doing. This is a dream that causes negative symptoms in your life and destiny.

When you forget to wear your shoe is as bad as forgetting to remember the instrument of your glory. So when you forget to wear your shoes, it means mental disturbance and curses. It may cause abandoned project. This is a dream that shows that the devil wants you to fluorish in ignorance and stupidity.



If you dream where someone is given you a different size of shoe to wear, whoever the person is, such a person is used by the enemy to trouble your marital destiny.




What makes the wicked spirit to give you those sizes of shoes in the dream is to disappoint you in your search of a good life partner.
Shoe in the dream is the opposite of marital blessing. Looking at a particular pair of shoes to wear in a dream connects to a direction you have not yet embarked upon but may be considered.
Wearing someone else’s shoes in the dream might puts you in disadvantaged in life. It could strengthening the operation of bad luck. Pray very well

FACT ABOUT SHOES IN THE DREAM

1. Shoe in the dream is a satanic bondage
2. Shoe can be used to trap a person marital destiny in the dream
3. Shoe can divert the destiny of a person to another
4. Shoe can stand against holiness (Acts 7:33)
5. Shoe can transfer the wealth or glory of a person to another
6. Stolen shoes can bring tribulation instead of peace (Eph 6:15)

WHAT IS MARITAL BLESSING?

Marital blessing is a marriage ordained by God. It is blessing that originates from God and establishes a covenant relationship with Him. Let us now look further into what marital blessing is.
1. Marital blessing is a blessing that comes upon a home
2. Marital blessing is a blessing that bears fruits
3. Marital blessing is a blessing that yield to success
4. Marital blessing is a blessing that always overcome challenges
5. Marital blessing is a blessing that influences a man or woman into marriage
6. Marital blessing is a marriage that cannot be done with a stranger
7. Marital blessing is a marriage that cannot invite the activities of strange woman
8. Marital blessing is a blessing that re positions the man to take his rightful place.
9. Marital blessing is a blessing from above that does not give room to profitless hard-work in the marriage
10. Marital blessing receives divine favour
WHAT ARE THE SIX PURPOSES OF MARRIAGE?
God designed marriage to fulfill six important and vital functions. When we understand them, we will be better able to honor marriage.
1. Companionship
True companionship grows out of a oneness of spirit. This occurs in marriage when both the husband and wife can say, “My spouse is my best friend.” “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” (Amos 3:3).
2. Enjoyment
The principle behind enjoyment is self-control. “Marriage is honorable [precious] in all, and the bed [should be kept] undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge” (Hebrews 13:4).
3. Completeness
God designed Eve to complete that which was lacking in Adam’s life. “And Adam said, … She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man” (Genesis 2:23).
4. Fruitfulness
God’s first command in Scripture is this: “… Be fruitful [bear fruit], and multiply [increase], and replenish [fill] the earth …” (Genesis 1:28).
The very nature and character of God is to multiply life, whereas the nature and character of Satan is to multiply death.
5. Protection
A husband is to protect his wife by laying down his life for her. (See Ephesians 5:25.) A wife is to protect the interests of her home. (See Titus 2:4–5.) Parents are to protect their children to raise up a Godly seed.
6. Typify Christ and the Church
Marriage is to be a human object lesson of the divine relationship between Christ and believers. (See Ephesians 5:31–33.)
The six purposes for marriage are adapted from The Wedding Covenant booklet..

CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED A PERSON TO EXPERIENCE THIS STRANGE DREAM

1. Unresolved foundational problems
2. Evil covenant and curses
3. Satanic yokes
4. Pollution/Ignorance
5. Having confrontation with someone
6. Visiting shrines, herbalist
7. Living in a wrong environment
8.Wearing a cursed shoe in the reality
9. Having someone in mind
10. Connection with the evil pattern in your family
11. Giving out shoes for people to wear any how
12. Unholy relationship/marriage
13. When there is misunderstanding between the man and the woman
14. Sign of strange woman in the home


COMMON SYMPTOMS THAT A PERSON MAY EXPERIENCE


The following are the symptoms of a life that is under the attack of shoes
1. Backwardness
2. Failure
3. Stagnancy
4. Hatred and lack of favor
5. Miscarriage
6. Impossibility
7. Setbacks
8. Lateness in goodness for example in getting married
9. Failure at the edge of success
10. Disappointment
11. Non achievement
12. Rejection
13. Sickness
14. Barrenness and unfruitfulness
15. Sorrow and pain
16. They all to make all would be helpers to abandon you
17. They cause frustration.
18. They bring desolation.

CAUSES OF WEARING DIFFERENT SIZES OF SHOES IN THE DREAM

1. When there is so much frustration in marriage
2. When you marry the wrong partner
3. When you are always attracted to married men
4. When you are the cause or responsible for the problem of your marriage
5.When you are taking advise from evil counse l
6. When your husband struggles to feed or take care of you
7. When you are unfaithful to your partner
8. When poverty and hardship is more pronounced
9. When you don’t know the direction of your destiny
10. When a relationship or marriage is about to be terminated
11. Joblessness.


WAY OUT OF DEMONIC SHOES



1. Get to know God. Get saves and make God your friend as he is the One that ultimately can promote you. 1 Samuel 2.
2. Break all curses and renounce your sins. Do restitution where necessary. Abimelech did and he was very blessed as a result. Genesis 20:6, 17.
3. Diligently search the word of God and pull out evil shoes in your possession. Appropriate these scriptures for your life and situations to bring about prosperity. Joshua 1:8, Joel 2:23.
4. Pray destiny changing and targeted prayers.
5. Barricade your life against spiritual thieves and robbers.
6. Go through regular deliverance and sanitation to keep away spoilers, devourers, emptiers, wasters, and other anti-prosperity powers.
6. Avoid Pollution. Pray over your shoes and anoint them before using. Be careful of any person’s shoes you wear. Be careful who you allow to use your shoes for an occasion
INSTRUCTION: Embark on 3 days midnight prayers. Bring out your favourite shoes and begin to pray on it using the anointing oil. (Isa 10:27, ,Matthew 11:30)


PRAYER POINTS


1. I thank God for restoring my marriage, in Jesus name
2. O God arise and destroy any powers that is taking my shoe to the coven for manipulation, in Jesus name
3. The anointing to wear the real size of my shoes, fall upon me now, in Jesus name
4. Powers using witchcraft shoes, to blow poverty into my life, backfire, in Jesus name
5. My shoe of destiny, arise and locate my feet, in Jesus name
6. I withdraw my shoe of destiny from the altar of witchcraft, by the blood of Jesus.
7. Lord Jesus, let the strange and unholy love affair between my husband and the strange woman die.
8. I withdraw the favor of my husband from the strange woman, in the name of Jesus.
9. I stand against every power of late marriage fighting me, in Jesus name
10. All spiritual evil arrows fired into my legs in order to cage my legs, you are a liar, go back to your sender, in the name of Jesus.
11. Any curse issued against me to make people ask me where is my God, return to your sender, in Jesus name
12. O Lord, show me the shoe of my destiny, in Jesus name
13. Angel of God, disconnect every relationship that is not ordained by you, in Jesus name.
14. O Lord, expose the doors through which they are entering into my life, in Jesus name
15. Every stubborn stronghold, be broken, be cast out of my life, in Jesus name
16. Every destructive shoe, working against my purpose,be destroyed now in Jesus name
17. O Lord purify my marriage, in Jesus name


FOR LIFE PARTNER PRAYERS

James 1:17 – Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Genesis 2:18 – And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 – Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (Read More…)
Proverbs 18:22 – [Whoso] findeth a wife findeth a good [thing], and obtaineth favour of the LORD.
Colossians 3:2 – Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Genesis 2:24 – Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Hebrews 13:5 – [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
1. I thank You God because You alone are the perfect matchmaker
2. Lord, release to me the man/woman you have pre-ordained as my spouse in Jesus’ name.
3. Lord, cause it to happen that the divine match will come forth soon in the name of Jesus.
4. Lord, let my spouse be a person who loves You wholeheartedly in the name of Jesus.
5. Lord, establish our home according to the scriptures in Jesus name (read Ephesians 5:20-28).
6. Father, let all satanic barriers keeping us from meeting be dissolved in Jesus’ name.
7. Lord, send forth your warring angels to battle and release my spouse wherever s/he is held captive in the name of Jesus.
8. Lord, I believe You have created me for a special person; bring it to pass in the name of Jesus.
9. I now call him/her out of obscurity into my life in Jesus’ name.
10. I reject the provision of counterfeit spouse for me by the enemy in the name of Jesus.
11. I cut off the flow of any inherited marital problems into my life in the mighty name of Jesus (pray this one 7 times… aggressively)
12. O Lord, let the spirit of patience reign in my life until the right person comes in the name of Jesus.
13. (Please pray this one with all your strength for at least 5 minutes)Father, in the name of Jesus, just as Abraham sent his servant to find his son Isaac a wife, send the Holy Spirit to bring my future partner to me.
14. Household powers stoping me from meeting my life partner die in Jesus name .
15. You evil veil blocking my God-ordained partner and I from noticing and attracting each other,catch fire and burn to ashes.
16. Evil magnet magnetisng me and my God-ordained partner away from each other,be shattered in Jesus´ name.
17. Evil program for my marital destiny,be deprogrammed in the name of Jesus!
18. Satanic match-makers,my marital destiny is not your candidate,scatter and die in Jesus´ name!
19. Witchcraft decree into my marital future,I nullify you by fire in the name of Jesus!
20. I withdraw my future marriage from the hands of evil enchanters, in the name of Jesus.
21. Let all household wickedness release my future home, in the name of Jesus.
22. I receive deliverance from every plantation designed to bring me and my divine partner under the bondage of the devil, in the name of Jesus.
23. I deliver my future home from the hands of home-wreckers, in the name of Jesus.
24. I pursue, overtake and recover my marriage from the hands of marriage blockers, in the name of Jesus.
25. Every power preventing me from accepting the counsel of God over my marital life, become paralyzed, in the name of Jesus.

Haba!!!! On top wetin? You wrote an epistle on a dream that's just 3 lines.

Originakalokalo:
Someone posted that he masturbates.....

How did I lie against him?

Get your facts right.

This was the comment you made yesterday

Originakalokalo:
It is all planned.

Comments and counter comments.

How did you know it was planned and not real?

It's a lie if you don't have evident.

Was there Church in the era of Christ?

MrPresident1:
The Holy Ghost will not contradict itself, Holy men who were moved by the Holy Spirit wrote as they were prompted. This fellow cannot have the holy spirit simply because the spirit will not contradict itself.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Was Peter there when the Holy men receives their Prophecy?

MrPresident1:
Holy men of old were moved by the Holy Ghost and they wrote at his prompting. The word of God is inerrant.

Beware of wolves in sheep clothing

Bullshit. Were you there? What makes you think that the person that is now questioning Paul is not led by the Holy spirit?

MrPresident1:
That mistake number 4 is the thunder that will fire you.

No Christian should give any regard to this fellow anymore, he is a wolf in sheep clothing.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Anathema.

It's you thunder will fire. So God gave you a brain not to question what you are being fed by man? Is Paul God? Is he not a man like you?

Jesusjnr opens a thread to question the teachings of Paul. Chai!

The first day I met this guy online, I knew this guy is special despite all the religious bullshit he's spewing out.

Originakalokalo:
I believe firmly in the scriptures and In use it to support my argument..

I get answers from there...

The devil is a lair and the father of it.

Whoever lies is of the devil...

That's the scriptures.

So you have never lied? But you accused someone yesterday without any shred of evidence. Is that not lying against them?

Originakalokalo:
I quote the scriptures to all...and derive my argument from it.

You have two choices. Listen or leave.


While they use logic to answer questions ignorantly,

They become logical in sin...

I quote the scriptures in God's righteousness.

You cannot separate my bible from me...

It is the word of the Almighty God.

It won't work.

You're quoting scriptures to those who are logical, how do want to win them over or you are not interested in their soul?

Originakalokalo:
I have answered you.

Can other religionist contribute to my post. I want us to be honest with each other. If you disagree, let me know. There's no need to quote scriptures.

I'll briefly talk about lying. There are times I lie because I don't trust that person enough with the truth. I have told people my truth and it was used against me. So when I don't trust someone I lie to them. It's not everyone who's worthy of the truth.

Originakalokalo:
I don't have any evidence to prove his conviction wrong.

It is his conviction, not mine.

The way you shut down someone who's logical is to be logical with them.

You quote scripture to those who believes in the scripture.

Originakalokalo:
I have answered the question.

Are you talking about killers of infants, babies and the aged?

Fornicators and adulterers?

Immoral people and porn addict?

Sexual perverts, thieves and idolaters?

If all the 7 billion of people on this planet fall in these categories,

We all become chaff in his presence.

His nature of holiness will not condole this.

But, thanks to Jesus,..

Many of us are not scared of his INEVITABLE judgement...

We have peace of mind.




I have been in the presence of God all day.

I have not committed any of those.

Be careful of what you read on nairaland.

Please, I beg you.

You are abusing God's name. You are using his name to stop me from my question.

I'll will re-iterate my question, after today which one out of those five sins will you not commit?

Originakalokalo:
It is all planned.

Comments and counter comments.

Whether it's planned or not is irrelevant. You have no evidence to prove him wrong. If you do, provide it.

Originakalokalo:
It is a misconception about God that is worrying you.

God is Almighty, great and sovereign.

His holiness is perfect, he is merciful and very very plenty in mercy...

His nature cannot condole sin and he punishes sin in his judgement while still very merciful.

He destroyed the world of Noah.

7 billion sinners are no exception. They are just chaff before him....

Those he created have violated his laws. They kill infants and a day old for money...

They rape 6 months old children and kill a husband just to have his wife...

Atrocities and immoralities abound.

Yet, he waits.. He hopes that they will repent.

Still, he provides the rain, sun, air food from the ground for usage by this miserable world.

I am not bothered that his judgement is coming. Somehow, I have rest of mind.

Why are you really troubled?

Do you belong to him, truly?



David misbehaved. He was not cast away from his presence but was punished.

Moses misbehaved too...

Let me tell you a fact about God....As His spokesman, I know him very well.

If a child of God fell into sin, God declares his judgement...

If the child of God runs back to God in true remorse and brokeness of heart,..

God forgives and cut his punishment short...and he forgets.

A man of God who was very popular committed adultery.

God told him to go before his congregation and confess openly and ask for forgiveness.

Many people left his church after the open confession... He still have a ministry...

..but not as popular as before. ..

He is still God's child so far he doesn't go back again and again...

But he will be punished for it.

God decided not to punish Nineveh again since they repented and fasted.

Jonah was angry and said...

" I didn't want to go and deliver this message of doom because I know you that once they repent, you will forgive them"

God said....

" And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot

discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?"
(Jonah 4: 11)

This is God.

Remove the knowledge the devil fed you with about God and search the scriptures...

You didn't answer his question. Is God so wicked that he will condemn those he create and Love?

And I have a question for you, have you ever wondered that men were not created to be perfect. That we are naturally born with flaws That there are sins you are born to commit.

I'll list 5 sins no matter who you are, you will sha commit through your journey on earth.

1. You will lie.

2. You will love yourself more than others.

3. You will not welcome a tout or a thug to live in your house.

4. You will favor your children more than those that are not your children.

5. You will doubt the existence of God.


This is my question.... Out of those 5,which of those sins above have you not committed and will still not be commited by you after today?

Seun:
If atheism is madness, why are so many highly intelligent and successful people atheists? Why are people turning away from religion in most first world countries, which are far better than ours?

Bullshit. As though there ain't many people who believes in God and are successful. As though we have not heard of people turning back to God in those first world countries.

You guys love giving yourselves classy touch.

NPComplete:
Lol how is that religious. This is the most disappointing thing I have read from u all day. Come on!! You are smarter than this.

I drink water and eat too. I can also roll my tongue and wiggle my ears. I guess that is evidence of your religion.

I give up.

Abeg Frank317 and Budaatum make una continue with her. Me don sign out.

I came prepared for all bullshits. And this is just round 1. I'll be back for round 2. See you all later.

budaatum:
But I am learning! I'm learning how your head works. I'm tempted to ask if you are 12 years old, by the way but it would be rude of me to ask!

Just look how many teachers you have on here, and you want to claim you know better!

What teachers? Teachers who lack the power of perspective. Please spare me the bullshit.

NPComplete:
Unfortunately for u, people have made a career out of predicting tomorrow. So u don't know what u are talking about. The 2008 financial crisis is an example. So please tell me how u are able to defy logic.

Nope. Science doesn't stand on the same footing as religion. It never has. It never will. It is far superior to religion. It stands scrutiny. And it is willing to discard old notions based on new knowledge. So spare me.

Yes I am waiting for a scientific explanation because religious ones have failed time and again. If u dispute this then bring your proof. There is a thread open promising a pecuniary reward if u are able to prove the verifiability of your claims. Please take the challenge.

You are the evidence. You were able to see what will happen tomorrow via your dream. I learnt that from religion. Did you learn yours from science?

NPComplete:
Nope. U were not able to defy logic to do it. No logic states that u shouldn't be able to dream and they happen. None that I know of. So if u are aware of such logic, show me.

Yeah. You can stick to religious reason for anything because science has not found an explanation for it yet. But that doesn't mean that the religious reason is right. That's what u have just admitted. "I am believing in religious bullshit because science doesn't have alternative answers". Good for u. But don't come here and argue that ur religious answers are fact. Especially when u cannot prove it.

Thanks for admitting that your religion is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance as Neil deGrasse Tyson put it. I couldn't have put it as nice as u did.

Once again bullshit. The inability to predict the future is logic. Haven't you heard that no one can predict tomorrow. Just because it's not scientific doesn't mean it's not logic. The sun will set tomorrow is logic. It's not science.

And I'm not admitting to rubbish. As long as science doesn't have evidence, it stand on the same footing as religion.

You waiting for science explanation seems crazy to me. The same way me resorting to religion is crazy to you.

frank317:
What's spiritual solution? Is this the explanation to things u so talk about? A lot of people have come from the so called to spiritual quest back to hospitals. A lot of people have died waiting spiritual solution. How does that shows that spiritual actually explains anything?

Besides most doctors ask patients to seek traditional healing not spiritual healing. Any doctor that asks u to seek spiritual healing is quack

So you believe the aspect of the doctor telling the patient to seek for traditional help. Can you relate the title of this thread to the above?

NPComplete:
No u haven't dreamt a lot of dreams that came to pass in the real world. U have dreamt a few dreams that came to pass in real world. And so have I. So have a lot of other people who keep a mental record of their dreams. So there is nothing special in what u experienced.
If there is any correlation between dreams and real world events, the only way we will actually find that correlation is through science and not some Tinkerbell dust your religion sprinkles around.

Finally we are getting to a middle ground. I have dreamt a lot and you have dreamt few. The most important thing is that we are able to defy logic to do it.

Because science have not find explanation for it, I'm sticking to the religion reason for it. Does that make me crazy? Does that make me mental? The same also goes for other things that science can't logically explain.

People are finding the reasons in religion.

NPComplete:
U see what I said. Religion is not good for your health. Everybody dreams. But most times we do not remember what we dreamt about or whether we dreamt. Even the one we do remember is usually a minuscule percentage of what we actually dreamt about. That is the normal way dreams work. So once again those MFM guys have monkeyed up normal science.

Not an atheist by the way. But nobody is underestimating what makes religions tick. Not any atheist or irreligious person I know of does that. We know all exactly what makes religions tick. It is a result of the toxic combination of massive ignorance, superstitions, illiteracy, desperation, dogmatism and resistance to scrutiny.

Bullshit. Do you know since then I've dreamt a lot of dreams that had come to pass in the real world. But because you are arrogant and ITK(I too know) you will wave it away.

budaatum:
I do know why people are religious. Religion is how we used to educate you once a week before we decided to turn it into school and educate you five days a week instead.

Five days, luvmi! But you want to claim what you learn on Sunday is superior!

You know nothing and you're not ready to learn.

NPComplete:
Word of mouth doesn't mean things work. Can u explain to me why MFM members keep killing demons every year and they seem not to be any different? Yet they still invite u to their church.
The only reason they invite u is because they will like to think their method works. It is an expression of faith in their own methods. If not they will be admitting they have been fools all along. No religious person will admit that. Not even to themselves.

Also the law of large numbers play into the hands of this people. Imagine that someone is chronically ill. And he has been taking a lot of treatments. But his body is yet to begin to show signs of improvement. Then he starts visiting different babalawos. As he is visiting the 4th babalawo, his body begins to show improvement. He is going to start believing that babalawo 4 is powerful. But the truth is that 20 other people have visited babalawo 4 that year. And none of them got healed. The patient is lucky that his body has begun to respond to the real treatment. But because he is a slowpoke and a Nigerian, he probably starts believing babalawo 4 is the best thing since suya and telling everyone about it. Unfortunately the next 3 guys that visit the babalawo based on his recommendations died from their illness. But no one will announce that. We only announce success not failures. So babalawo still keeps getting visitors while maintain his 1:20 sucess-to-failure ratio. Mind u, the success itself is a fluke.

Fortunately I've once attended mfm and I will tell you one thing that I got from it. I learnt not dreaming is not normal. I've always thought it's normal not to dream. NPComplete you are talking to someone who has seen the good and bad side of religion. I'm telling you some of this are real.

If you are going against something, you need to understand the strength and weakness of it. You Atheists are underestimating what makes religion thick. And how our environment is a perfect recipes for it.

budaatum:
It's hard to when you obviously don't know much about what you speak of, luvmi, though I'm trying, trust me.

I read through some of your posts going back some, and notice you're not as religious as you used to be. Seems you've only recently had your mind opened a tiny bit and we would have to wait for it to open some more. I advise you to go learn about the scientific method. It will help.

You should also learn why people are religious. It wouldn't kill you to come down from that high horse of yours.

budaatum:
Luvmi, please respect us, if just a little! Have you ever gone to a spiritual centre for an issue hospitals can't find solution to? Did your issue get solved?

I've definitely be a witness to some. So you respect me when I'm speaking. Respect is reciprocal.