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jesusjnr:
I find it very ridiculous that some actually think that the church could get any worse than it already is.

Atheism is trending like never before, wickedness is at the highest level, materialism is now a norm, violence is now the in thing, the display of the works of God is at the lowest point ever, etc. etc. And all of this in the church and yet people are still thinking that it could get any worse than it already is and that there is something left to protect in the church.

I mean what's there to lose in this kind of church that we now have today?

Maybe it's the church buildings, the private jets and the crowds, and what not that make them think that something is actually going on in the church, really?

I think any other thing would be better than whatever it is that the church is today, therefore that the church needs to trash anything that is left of it and go back to the drawing board to see where it really went wrong.

So that it can start afresh, because the church need the Spirit of God, and when I say the Spirit of God, i'm not talking of the shadow of the Spirit of God or the spirit of the prophets, but the Spirit of God.

And the Spirit of God cannot confirm the words of the flesh, but only the Words of the Spirit, so the church needs to provide the Spirit of God with what it needs, otherwise it would find itself chasing shadows as it currently is.

What the church has now has failed it, therefore it's time to try something else, whatever it is for it would be better than what the church has now.

Honestly, we are soul mate. And let me quickly share what happened when I have not yet started my spiritual journey. Then I was a church goer.

Then I usually attend a redeem church close to my house. I was a regular member. My baptism was done in that church and I've finished workers training. I was fervent Sir till I gave up going to church for more than a year. Why did I stop?

I went to the camp(The monthly holy ghost programme). Then from the Pulpit, I heard Pastor Adeboye raising money for the church building. I can no longer remember the exact amount but what stood out was when he said those who can only see him are those who wants to donate billions of naira while those below should should go through the normal route.

Sir, I wasn't spiritually strong but I knew it was wrong. So I stopped going to redeem. The church has place money above spirituality. The abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel and Christ is already with us. It's already on the altar.

It wasn't just only Redeem. Every single churches worship the god of money.

Agrogbeide:
Quoting scriptures up and down doesn't mean you know God. All this Christians that loves quoting scriptures up and down but yet with little or no growth.
Apostle Paul reverence the Lord Jesus Christ in all his epistles and I have not seen any contradictions between his teachings and that of his Master the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is how the love of the Brethrens will wax cold and some start making shipwrecks of their faith all because of false revelations, doctrines of demons and empty philosophies.
The only group of Christians I pity are those that don't fellowship with God by the help and comfort of the Holy Spirit in daily prayers and meditation of the Bible.

Luvmijeje Na so heresy take dey start o. All those your revelations check am well.
Thanks.

I still have 9 more revelations to go. So get ready to collapse. Get ready to faint. Get ready to call me names.

I've already stated that I'm not a religious person. I've never hide that fact.

But despite not being religious again, my first step to where I am today was shaped by religion.

jesusjnr:
Luvmijeje your instance has proven itself to be an epitome of this saying of Jesus:

Matthew 13:31-32

"...The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof."

When I first came here early October I only had the Word of the Kingdom, with me and also the backing of the Spirit of God, for i was not yet known.

But I knew this parable of Jesus concerning the mustard seed, hence i knew that despite that there would be a lot of opposition and it was going to be very small and tiny in the beginning, that it was only a matter of time before it begins to bear fruit and the sheep of the Master begin to hear His Voice.

And now with your instance and some others, the sowing of the Words of the Master is beginning to be vindicated.

I just went through a post by hard mirror shared to me yesterday and I wasn't surprised, because how can a church that Jesus founded now begin to treat the words and teachings of one of His numerous disciples, as the standard of the church above that of the Master and you expect to get the same results?

Never, except the words of the disciple tallies with that of the Master for there to be a chance of that happening. And today you have a lot of people going to hell because they have been told that they don't need to obey the Words of the Master to have eternal life(grace), and the justification for their belief is almost always Paul's teachings.

Thank God for giving me the courage to go against the man-made traditions and doctrines that has impeded on the church's ability to serve its purpose on earth as it ought to, just like my Master did in His time.

The Words of Jesus is coming back to take it's rightful place at the helm in His church, and there's nothing that the gates of hell can do about it.

Luvmijeje God bless you!

Thank you so much Sir. Thank you for the encouragement.

I want to thank these two men for pushing me to get to this moment. Jesusjnr for being the first to challenge the teaching of Paul(That I've seen). And muttleylaff for challenging me for daring to question Paul. Believe it or not when I first told muttleylaff that the teaching of Paul differs from the teaching of Christ, I had no clue how. But in subsequent days I started receiving revelations. So it's time to share my revelations. For those who don't know what revelation is....... Revelation is seeing things in a new light. So let's proceed.

1st Corinthians 12 : 28(Paul's teaching)

And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

The introduction of spiritual hierarchy was never part of Christ's teachings rather he was against it.

In Matthew 12 : 46 - 50(Christ's teaching)

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

No one came first, second nor third.

jesusjnr:
Lumijeje where've you been?

Missed you bigly. Welcome back!

Missed you too. Anytime I'm offline, I'm working on other areas of my life but being online is still one of the best part of me.

You know I went to church yesterday for the first time this year and I was reminded why I stop. But I'm happy I went because I got to receive revelation on the 10 ways the teachings of Paul differ from the teachings of Christ.

I'm hoping to open 10 threads dealing with each in order to give room for rebuttal, dissension, or general argument if there's any.

I believe in the power of healing. Healing like sleep is a gift nature has bestowed on us.

And you all wonder why religion thrives in the face of logic and science. It simply because it understand and gives respect to things we as man couldn't understand.

The healing via faith works for me when I was religious and when I'm now irreligious.

MuttleyLaff:
The mask slipped here, revealing a glimpse
No matter how much a snake sheds the skin. It's still a snake

"Thanks though for having my back!" you say
Brood of vipers! Family of snakes!!
Too many snakes in the Religion forum, and not enough ladders!!!

Don't be misled, do not be deceived by luvmijeje
Evil communications and bad companionships corrupt good manners.
Dont be fooled by what she writes, for she is bad news "bad company corrupts good character."
Associating with a friend like her leads to evil intents.

Havent you been told, that, I don't do arguments jesusjnr?
Did you really think, standing up to you has anything to do with me or finding who is right?
jesusjnr no!. Far from it

It has nothing to do with arguments
How can I get into argument with you when I havent ignorances on Paul, to trade with and exchange for your ignorances?

One of the most sincere forms of respect is actually listening to what another has to say,
but then often times, the ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance jesusjnr

It's not about you versus me
It's about you and me versus the wrong/false accusations you level at Paul

It's about unmasking you, yeah, the masquerade, for that's what you are
and exposing your unfruitful works of darkness+iniquities, like for example, the slander of Paul
You are at sea. It's that simple

jesusjnr, it is not in the literal sense "atori" cat o' nine tails whip lashing
but you've run with, twisted my "atori" hyperbole and whipping up sentiments with it to distract the readership

My philosophy is non-violence jesusjnr,
but always appear keen to face up to & deal with a problem and be ready for battle.

jesusjnr please show from this thread or any other place on this forum
proof of me following you all over the place subtly trying to get responses from you

If you cant show where, if you are unable to produce anything,
then please jesusjnr, retract your false accusations and tender public apologies accordingly

I know all your false accusations are unfounded
Now, you being one, that does understands the meaning of honour and integrity jesusjnr
can be expected to know the needful that needs to be done here about this your blatant lie

I am lowering my standards, if to wrestle you.
Besides I never wrestle a pig.
Bad move, poor judgment and taste it'll be, as the pig and I will both get dirty,
but unlike me, the pig likes and enjoys the dirt.

Do sycophant, arse-lickers & arse-kissers bullshitters always need to stoop as low as you've written so?
Arse-lickers & arse-kissers bullshitters like you, are always the first post false bullshits & start drama

I'll whoop your bumbum, your brain will reset and your false bullshits & drama evaporate. Mtcheew.
No wonder you're the arse-licker & arse-kisser, and I am an arse-kicker.

Your insecurities are loud
Your boastings and gloating to luvmijeje confirms you shamelessly need regard & appreciation from her
Stop seeking recognition and validation from people! jesusjnr
All these your, sucking up to luvmijeje, especially, is unflattering
and your all of a sudden, lately attention-seeking, famzing Freeze, all over the forum, haba, is cringeworthy!

Repent brother because the day of reckoning for your slander and impudence, is round the corner, about to happen.

When you come for jesusjnr, know that you are coming for me. He's 100 times of a man that you're. That's why I've been stalking every single of his threads because his threads speaks to me like no threads does.

Despite not being on the same side on most things, I've never felt he's arrogant. His love is pure in comparison to those of who carry Jesus deh Waka.

jesusjnr:
Forgive me luvmijeje for my mistake of mentioning this ardent follower of Paul who possibly derives joy from beating up women or even his wife with his supposed koboko that does press ups.

He first came to my knowledge with respect to my thread concerning the mistakes in broda Paul's writings, where he displayed his egoist characteristics as such which exposed him as someone not worth being dignified with a response or any mentions.

Hence my not obliging him such, despite that he had been following all over the place subtly trying to get that from me.

But damn, despite that I was trying to make a point, I unwittingly dignified his ego with a mention, and the rest as they say is history.

So forgive me for giving his arrogance something to brag about.

There's no need to ask forgiveness. There are a lot of people worst than him here. Despite my corrosive words or his, I love him for one thing. He has the gut to come out to confront me.

I don't appreciate people who hides behind their keyboard and grudge secretly. He came out and tells me what he think about me. Those are people I love to roll with in real life. Because I know where I stand with them.

MuttleyLaff:
I don't decry you for this,
I dont decry you for ever doubting the existence of God

I am not judging you or any other atheists for their religion of not believing in the existence of God
but when they curse the darkness, I light candles
My work is to light up candle to illuminate a darkness

I thought I've seen it all but this one really takes the biscuit
I have never read nor come across a discombobulated post such as this before
I've always said that you are more confused than a chameleon that slipped into a bag of skittles

What the f word are you on? Huh?
Three simple and straightforward question but oh no, would she answer them.
No, she totally ignored the questions

luvmijeje, instead of ducking the questions, doing your usual strawman mining
and now this deflecting or going on a tangent, why not now attempt the 3 questions, now turned 4.
1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?
4/ Did any out of these your 3 favourite men doubt the existence of God?

I will tell you why David was dispirited, if you were in David's shoes, you will be too
will tell you why Jesus Christ never in Matthew 26 :46 doubted God
and also will tell you why Abraham, in Genesis 17:17,
doubted God about the reality of him and his wife Sarah to still have the promised child together

I will only tell after you answer the original three questions, that's now become four

Because I'm deadlier than a snake and because of I'm wiser than you, I slowly draw you into a trap.

1. If David, Christ and Abraham could doubt God then none of us in any position to question those who do or call them names.

2. Because we've all been in that position.

3. Psalm 22:2

2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]

What's that your question again about Atheist doubting God? The same David who has the gut to call someone a fool was the same person questioning why God was silence in his dark moment.

4. They all doubted it beautifully.

You are the only one who mentioned me like a mad man during my short break. It shows my plan to put a rope your neck is working.

jesusjnr:
Big up to you for the tone of your response because I have an idea what you could be like when someone proverbially steps on your toes, like yesterday when I was following the acrimonious conversation that ensued between you and muttleylaff, I was just laughing uncontrollably, as you were about to give him a worse treatment that the serpent did to Adam and eve in the beginning, while his own koboko was busy doing press ups waiting for you, so funny wow i'm still can't control my laughter up till now,

So I really didn't know what to expect from you, and if your response was harsh I would have understood, but it was as calm as a dove, so it tells me that you know my comment wasn't meant for evil.

I don't have a problem with you being different, for that I also am that some here see me as a sheep in wolves clothing as you'd already witnessed, so that's not my concern because I understand that people can interpret things wrongly.

But what I can never accept is that any sort of revelation that would make you lose your belief in Jesus as your Lord, that can never emanate from God and there's no way you can even insinuate that to me.

For I'm sure that you've had a lot about Mohammed, and how a lot of Christians are viewing him as a false prophet and so on, yet he Mohammed got the revelation of Jesus being a child of virgin.

Now imagine that, for that revelation given to Mohammed alone would have settled the issue for the people of Israel one and for all if they had it, because it absolutely tallied with the prophecy that was given concerning their messiah.

So there's no way I could dispute the fact that such a revelation given to Mohammed concerning Jesus came from God, because it more or less tallies with the account of the law and the prophets and also the gospels.

So I think you already get my point that the content of the revelation in that respect determines the source of it, but as l've said before you are entitled to your opinion.

Sorry that I was quite hard on you, I thought I had to be.

God be with you and keep you safe.

I have this ability to blend to my environment. You have already indirectly complained about me being too aggressive. So me taking a less aggressive tone with you is a way for me to apologize for being aggressive in our last argument.

But some people love being aggressive and I don't shy from it especially when I'm in the mood.

I don't expect anyone to understand where I am right now but hopefully during the course of my journey on this section, you will all get to understand why I am here.

I'm not here to force my belief on anyone. I'm only here to share my belief.

TruthHurts100:
Was Jesus born on the 25th of December?

Yes or No

I don't know. Do you know?

Live and let's live. That's how it should be. Must we see each other as enemies just because we didn't subscribe to each other's belief.

There is an adage in yoruba that says it's one who's alive that celebrate a festive season. Life is too short for you not to celebrate or begrudge people for celebrating.

There are 365 days in a year and you will agree with me that there are more than 365 festivals. So there will be days these festivals will clash.

Honestly, some of you have serious issues.

I deh tire for copy and paste.

jesusjnr:
Good just wanted to sure where you were coming from. Luvmijeje you are confusing me oh really.

I can't really reconcile some things you say with some other things.

I mean one moment you would say you think i'm special, and I would be like wow, i've not told you much about me and you're saying this, it could mean something good about you.

The next thing you would say something else that would make me wonder if you were the same person that said the other thing, like welcome to a place where I'd receive revelations that would challenge everything I believe.

It's like you think I'm just coming from no where and all of a sudden here I am and you are welcoming me to where you claim you've been for a long time that I've never been before.

See eh luvmijeje you've never been to where I currently am before, if you did then you would never at any point call Jesus your Lord, and then after a while start saying He's not your Lord, you hear what I said, never!

You may have been to somewhere but certainly not where I am presently, and for you to get to where I am, it would take you crossing many mountains and valleys, because when you finally get here it would be impossible for any such revelations to challenge any thing you believe as they would just melt like wax before the fire before they even finish, because what you now have is the source of light, every other thing becomes shadows before it.

And there's no where that you are that I'm coming to because I have long passed that level, just like the escape velocity in science that I've that it's absolutely impossible for the gravitational pull of your level to have an effect on me.

See luvmijeje let me tell you what i believe happened to you.

You went to the spiritual battlefront with so much zeal but little or no preparation or depth, and so you were so vulnerable that you were not able to withstand both the physical and spiritual onslaught of the enemy.

So such revelations from what you've explained are also part of them, and I know someone who should be above your spiritual level and closer to mine who has seen Jesus on several occasions, but just as satan had intended to do with Peter, he wanted to have her, and so was loading her with a lots of contrary visions and revelations as such which made her to turn into something else not knowing it was the devil, but I prayed for her like Jesus prayed for Peter and God delivered her.

So things at this level are pretty hot, so one has to be spiritually fortified before challenging the devil and his agents, otherwise one would be sifted as wheat without even knowing it, and my following the example of Jesus to the letter has made me so strong and impossible for Satan breach.

So luvmijeje the example of Jesus is there for you also to be likewise, otherwise you'd be seeing yourself believing in Jesus one day and the next day, not believing in Him.

It's time to trash such revelations for they are certainly not from God but from the devil and meant sway your heart from God.

And if that's what you say is something better, I believe you are deceiving yourself, because it cannot be true and you'll still be missing what you claim you used to be.

It's alright. What you wrote up there reminded me of an incident that happened last year or last two years ago on this section. There was this guy who was a former youth pastor who became an Atheist. And I remember singing this song to him :

I'll never never go back to the world
Never go back to the world
Never go to back to the world anymore.

Here I am. In the eyes of the religionist, I went back to the world but No I didn't. Rather I went out from the world back to where it should be.

All I'll say to what you wrote up there, is that I understand. I'm just happy you can hear from God.

MuttleyLaff:
Do you want the abridged or unabridged version of what's ekklesia?
You luvmijeje, who cant stay reading for a long time, is asking what is ekklesia
You are a glutton for punishment indeed sha. Enjoy!

• Adam & Eve in Eden, fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41
(i.e. Eve out of Adam fast forward to where and when ekklēsia's founded out from Christ's teachings & promise)
• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine)
• The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC)
• Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign
• The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors)
• Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
(e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council
• the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it.
• The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred
• the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John
• the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine
• The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter"
as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire
• the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible
• The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church
• the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors
• the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences
(i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs)
• Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter
• "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire
• Subsequent popes exercising authority over kings and emperors, taking on imperial powers along with ecclesiastical authority (e.g. St Leo III)
• the Filioque clause/Filioque controversy and/or The Great Schism
• John Wycliffe of England, John Huss of Czechoslovakia, and John of Wessel in Germany
• Protestant Reformation; division between the Catholic Church and Protestantism over interpretation of Biblical Testaments.
• The Edict of Worms (i.e. the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V and the Pope banning all writings of Martin Luther and labelling him a heretic and enemy of the state) etc
• Calvinism (i.e. named after French reformer and theologian John Calvin, he was Martin Luther's successor during the Protestant Reformation)
• The Edict of Nantes, The Edict of Restitution.
• King Henry VIII taking over jurisdiction of the Church, after kicking RCC out of England.
• Various political and ulterior motives
(e.g. translators forbidden by King James' official order from replacing the Greek word "ekklesia" with "congregation" (i.e. the true interpretation)
Compare Psalms 22:22 with Hebrews 2:12 for more details on this, bibles translated to fit the politics or traditions of men etc)
• Evangelicalism, Revivalism, Pentecostalism, Christian science, the Charismatic Movement, Mormonism/the Latter Day Saint movement, Word of Faith movement etc
• Institutional/organised church(es); licensed or incorporated as businesses/charities etc (i.e. to gain non-profit tax-exempt status)
• Church(es) under the jurisdiction of man (e.g. unincorporated charities/church(es), unregistered/registered church(es) etc)
• details of corrupted teachings or doctrines.
• Etcetera, etcetera

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1st century AD - ekklēsia founded on the teachings of Jesus
2nd century AD - Christians already denouncing teachings seen as heresies, e.g Gnosticism, Montanism etc
4th century AD - ekklēsia transformed, church evolves, finally legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I as the state church of the Roman Empire
11th century AD - Church within the Roman Empire excommunicated each other - West (i.e. Rome) and the East (i.e. Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria) officially excluded each other
16th century AD - Lutheran Church was founded by Martin Luther
16th century AD - Protestant Reformation
16th century AD - The Presbyterian denomination began by John Knox who was dissatisfied with Anglicanism
16th century AD - Anglicanism (i.e. Church of England) founded by King Henry VIII
17th century AD - The Baptist church launched by John Smyth in Amsterdam, Holland.
18th century AD - The Methodist church launched by John and Charles Wesley in England
18th century AD - The Salvation Army launched by William Booth, who quit the Anglicans, and then the Methodists to set up his own version of Christianity.
19th century AD - The Jehovah's Witness Church developed by Charles Russell.
19th century AD - The Christian Scientist religion began by Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy, centered around an outright denial of Original Sin and its effects
19th century AD - Ballinger Booth, the son of William Booth, quit The Salvation Army and started his own church
19th century AD to date - The Seventh-Day Adventists, Apostolic Faith, Foursquare Apostolic Church, K&C, CAC, CCC, RCCG, MFM, Winners Chapel, KICC, BLW/Christ Embassy, SCOAN,
and various other Pentecostal Churches etc are among the hundreds of new churches founded by men within the past 200 years or so.

If you want more info to the above,
then the below link has additional unabridged version of what's ekklesia.
https://www.nairaland.com/4263508/church-vs-congregation-congregation-yahshua#63812199
by MuttleyLaff: 6:00am On Jan 02

Please dont again ever mistake me quizzing you to mean I am playing ignorant.
If you're in the habit of dismissing who questions you, you will never grow.
Peradventure, such cross your way, to sharpen you.

I dont know.
I dont know why you should associate me organised religion

Good
and I am well glad you acknowleged that

What is the connection

Yes, you put a duck out of row, to shoot at

Ekklesia is non existent during the 12 and 70 disciples.
Ekklesia was a building site, it was work in progress in Christ's earthly era

Maybe I was fumbling, because I knew you are as delicate as egg shell
Look at all these simple bible 001 theological/scriptural things you havent the foggiest about

1/ What was my question, on what circumstance or premise did my question come from?
2/ Where did I state that the training and test had to do building brick & mortar building or about collecting tithes & offerrings?

I admire your honesty and like you for admitting your disdain for Paul.
This is deja vu for me because "Was Paul God? Was he not a man like you?", many years ago, were the exact words and more I said about Paul.

I hated Paul so much with a passion then, I felt he was full of himself,
felt he is a certified and confirmed misogynist

Back then I also used to think, who the hell does Paul think he is,
galavanting upanda, going all over the place and like laying down the law(s).

Ah luvmijeje, believe me when I say, I never liked Paul, never enjoyed reading his epistles.
I had total contempt and a lot more for Paul
but then, that soon changed, after I found out that, Paul, apart from being a maverick, also had a highly idiosyncratic personality.
and most importantly in addition had a peculiar style of writing.
You luvmijeje, being a writer yourself, will understand and know about what I mean by, authors and their style of writing

Recall, even Peter, on record, said Paul's letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort.

I wouldnt want to miss reading it for the world
Please mention me when/if you do get to.

Remember, I've been here, I was here about Paul, before you.
I've been there, done that, even have the t-shirts bought
You arent the first and wont be the last to misunderstand Paul, his messages and teachings in his letters.

"Ah o ma seun"
loosely means, oh my, what a pity.
You put me in pains, in severe pains with asking such a gaffe question like this luvmijeje.
I am sorry luvmijeje, I am teary eyes about this and just need to get my composure back

No oooo! "Agbedo", loosely translated means "God forbid"
Ah luvmijeje, ah, you alone, concocting and manufacturing all these lies about Paul!

luvmijeje, wait a sec, look at your hands.
Are all your fingers equal? No of course they arent
We dont mind that because what unites the fingers is greater than what is division among them
Do you really think God wasnt aware there'll be divisions in ekklesia?

I was just about to write how Paul demostrated, persuaded and encouraged true and pure religion that is faultless
but changed my mind to do it because there's no point, as Paul's bible recorded exemplary character already frees him from blame.

Right from the beginning in Eden, man has never want to take ownership of blame.
He would rather point the finger at another person or someone else, looking for a scapegoat

Forgetting that, for every time, your finger is pointed at another person or Paul, three points back at you.

Perhaps by divine design, the three fingers are telling you,
to check yourself out, three times, over the matter you're pointing out a person about.

Dont pick and find a close-mindness fault, but rather
1/ use time positively.
- Find out, what happened that brought the matter/crisis/problem up

2/ take out bad energy and/or negativity.
- Find out how the matter/crisis/problem should have properly be handled/managed

3/ take ownership.
Find out how to rightfully correct the matter/crisis/problem

Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving wouldnt have seen the light of the day, if the above guidelines were followed
cc Mobilia, BluntBoy

I'm not adverse to reading. I'm adverse to reading bullshit. And all what you wrote up there is bullshit. You accuse me of something I've never come across. Immediately I realise what you are accusing me of is not in the Bible, I no read am at all.

Anyway, I've stated where I am and my direction going forward on this platform. So your challenge is welcome. I welcome you to a new era of cutting through every single of your bullshit.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?

MuttleyLaff, life is a journey. There are times to crawl. There are times to walk and there are times to fly. I've had many moment that I've doubted the existence of God.

David who wrote the Book of Psalm also had a moment of doubt. What do I mean?

Psalm 18:9

He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

In other version of the Bible, it was written God teared heavens also. But in Psalm 8:3

When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,

When you read Psalm 8 and Psalm 18, you will see a writer who's going through different phases of his life. In Psalm 8, there was no opposition so his praises to God was sweet. But in Psalm 18 when he saw opposition, his praises suddenly grew a kwashiokor legs.

Do you know Christ also doubted God in the midst of opposition. Matthew 26 :46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Do you also know that Abraham doubted God in the midst of opposition in Genesis 17:17

17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

If these 3 men could doubt God in their moment of weakness, won't I be an hypocrite like you to call them names for not believing in God.

jesusjnr:
I have a response for your post but first I would like you to clarify what you mean by revelations

Revelation is seeing things other couldn't see. It's seeing things differently from others. I'll give you an instance.

Not quite long I quote a verse of how God promised the people of Isrealutes the land that belongs to the Canaanite. I've read that part 100 times. Then when I was arguing with someone, I was led to that verse. Immediately I saw another meaning to it.

Revelation is seeing things in a new light.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Are you not personally vested in ekklesia, the church?
2/ I quoted you to extract more information in order to understand what you're on about,
to find out more about where you're coming from and where you're heading with the remark.
Is anything wrong in doing that?
3/ What is the title of this thread?
4/ Did you not know that Christ said He will build His church on the rock before you asked the question when you jumped on the thread?
5/ Was tithing approved or not by Christ during and/or for a different dispensation that was under a different arrangement?
6/ Have you bones or not, to pick with Paul?
7/ What according to you are Paul's sin(s)? What are your grievances with Paul?
8/ Do you know of any cathedrals Paul built?
9/ Are you suggesting that Paul encouraged and persuaded believers to give or pay tithes?
10/ Was the obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, an idea formulated and instituted by any of the apostles or Paul?

You're a weakling, and because of that, dont have the nerve to reply to the 10 above questions.
For you, it is easier to ignore the 10 above questions and its all because you're yellow bellied

[img]https://christiandorr.files./2016/04/im-watching-you.jpg[/img]
You bit more than you can chew, you bought market.

I am watching you, and like I earlier said,
the moment you again step out of line with a big mouth and crooked post,
I'll come down on you, like a hammer.
cc Mobilia, BluntBoy

1. What's Ekelesia?

2. Then why are you playing ignorant? Then what's all this crap about you not being vested in organized religion.

3. It's about tithing in the church and I ask is there Church in Christ's era? Is my question out of line?

4. And I asked you does what Christ said nullify his instructions to his 12 and 70 disciples? Then you started fumbling.

5. Your question is irrelevant because he didn't instruct the disciples to go out to start building churches and start collecting tithe and offerings.

6. I do 100%. Was Paul God? Was he not a man like you?

7. In due time, I'll get to point out how his teachings is against Christ teachings.

8. In Matthew 24:1-2 was there a mention of cathedral?

9. I'm not suggesting, I'm saying the authority now being excersing by the church was gotten from the teaching of Paul who gave the church the leeway to set up their doctrines. The division among the body of christ canbe trace to the encouragement of religion by Paul.

10. See 9.

jesusjnr:
Are you sure you are the one to welcome me?

Nah, I'm the one that's supposed to tell you a big welcome back!

Sorry for making you go thru all the stress of my very very lengthy post.

I didn't know it was that long until I posted it, and it was after a complain from the first reply that I had to split it into two. But yet the first was still very long.

That aside thank you for your support and encouragement, and as for me being God-sent, i don't think i'm fully there yet.

But where i'm certainly at is God-made, for that one I'm absolutely sure about, because it's to the extent of the disciples that He formed the pillar of the first church with.

That's in terms of the sacrifice, the Word, the love, the Spirit, etc everything is the same standard.

So when God lights a candle to that extent, the next thing is for Him to bring it out and put it on a lamp stand.

So that's the only thing left for me to be God-sent, and He's already doing that gradually via this platform and other means.

As for opposition, I'm not gonna lie and say that I don't have any fear in concerning that, but what I would let you know is that I'm not afraid of being afraid.

Because i've learnt that all of those that God has used for such in the past were not really different from us. For imagine Moses fleeing for his dear life when his rod turned to a snake, or all the disciples of Jesus forsaking him, and Peter using all the possible curse words to deny Jesus etc.

But you know the extent of what they were able to do afterwards right?

So it was God that made all the difference that at the end that would make a Moses confront a Pharaoh and all his army with just a rod in his hand.

Or even the disciples of Jesus that would go on to defy the roman empire without any sort of carnal weapons.

So if God made it happen for them, He would also do it for me. Therefore that's what I looking at, what God could do with just about anybody.

The most defining moment for me when reading your article was when you said the following :

Now who do you think has been saddled with that near impossible task?

Yes, it's yours truly, so obviously I was going to need all the help l could possibly get.

And I'll tell you 5 reasons it was personally defining :

1. When you I saw the words impossible task I'm like this is God. God never gives a man an assignment you can achieve by yourself. Because if he does, you would have thought it is by your power.

2. And when I saw the world being saddle I shook my head and I'm like this guy should get ready for the journey of his life.

3. When you begin this journey, get ready to receive revelations. Revelations that will challenge everything you believe.

4. Get ready to receive instructions you will struggle mightily against.

5. You will soon get to understand why I should be the to welcome you ahead of your journey. The journey you are about to begin now I have started it a long time and I'm still on it.

frank317:
Thanks


How... I really have not felt Gos and argue in that basis... I really don't think its follow follow... I think I am openmindedly point out the floors I see in religious/God believes


No... I might have argued with an atheist on other issues but not as it relate with the believe in God

As I said it's alright not to believe in God. It doesn't make you an evil nor a bad person neither does it make you a fool

During our last argument, I saw you agreeing with me on somethings and I'm like finally, Frank is not sticking to his ground.

Being on the opposite doesn't mean we shouldn't agree on something. Now, if you keep up on not arguing blindly, I may consider you.

Abeg, leave me o jare.

MuttleyLaff:
The question is not why did BluntBoy say you asked "valid" questions
but should be why those "valid" questions at MuttleyLaff?

What did MuttleyLaff say, what did I do or post to deserve being asked your "valid" questions luvmijeje?
If MuttleyLaff doesnt have a dog in organised religion race, why are you asking him about physical brick and mortar church buildings?
Wetin concern fish with raincoat?

https://www.nairaland.com/4906753/daddy-freeze-liar-tithing-very/20#74072986
The above link is the actual start of our interaction
Notice how I started meticulously, layer by layer, peeling information out from you,
but it was after my 3rd interaction with you, that you suddenly lost the plot and with obscenities, went berserk.

Then if you are not personally vested why did you quote me. My first question when I jump on this this thread was to ask was there a church in the era of Christ?

I thought you were bold enough to see it through to the end but in the middle of the argument you grew a cold feet like the coward that you are.

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/4906753/daddy-freeze-liar-tithing-very/20#74075692

You have a hundred plus one problems
and because amnesia is one of them, I have taken the liberty of pasting the above link to refreshen your memory to part of the beginning of the chain of posts of you digging yourself in a hole.

You were haphazard, incoherent, inconsistent, contradictory and just being literally all over the place,
lost and pathetically chasing your tail doing strawman minings. SMH.

You need deliverance to be safe from your demons inside you.

The link should be a refresher course for you. Honestly this demon have your time today. Why did blunt say I asked valid questions?

I know you are use to confusing your ways out of issue but this time you have met someone bigger than you.

MuttleyLaff:
Are you suggesting the disciples weren't on training course
and being tested?
What did the 70 say to Jesus after completing
and upon returning back from the training course and test?

I repeat, do you at all, luvmijeje,
remember the centurion who said to Jesus,
you don't have to follow me because of blah de blah de blah?
Again do you see what you are doing to yourself?

Where was it stated that they were on a training course?

Remember the reason I quoted the 12 and the 70 disciples being sent out was to show that the so called followers of Christ who called themselves Christians have diverted from his teachings.

Christ never sent out any man to build church. He sent them out to propagate the coming Kingdom. He didn't send out to start collecting tithe and offering. He told them to go out empty handed.

Then you came in with your bullshit about training. You came in to confuse yourself and not me.

frank317:
I am still sane dear... Working on a very interesting story that I want to be a movie right away...

I just don't believe in God... Nothing in my world shows he exists

Congratulation ahead of the successful completion of your work.

It's alright you don't believe in God but you are not open minded. You are too close minded for my liking. Follow follow don kill you.

Have you ever in your life disagree with your Atheist friend?

frank317:
Luvmi... Its me oooo... Frank 3.16... The writer of tenth generation.

Thought I was ur first love

Then you are sane but now you are something else.

MuttleyLaff:
Follow who out to where?
Why does Christ have or need to follow them out?
Do you see what you are doing to yourself?

According to you

Before that, I plastered different versions of Jesus saying, following me, I'll teach you to be fishers of men
I reminded you that disciple means follower or pupil of a teacher.

So let me rephrase my question. If the the 12 and the 70 people Christ sent out were on training, how come Christ didn't follow them out?

MuttleyLaff:
Olodo rapata ni woman to
This woman is dense.
I quoted a different version of Ezekiel, I knew you wouldn't know of
Before that I plastered different versions of Jesus saying following me, I'll teach you to be fishers of men
I reminded you that disciple means follower or pupil of a teacher.

What more madam, were you expecting?
To spoon-fed you?
To hold you by the hand and lead you?
I am biting my tongue to stop me calling you unprintable names.
Get off your high horse already.

I wasn't brought up that way
and wasn't taught that way by Christ.

So why didn't Christ follow them out?

frank317:
No 6.... U got me to feel this strange love for u

Gerrout!!!!!

MuttleyLaff:
You 're a trickster,
you'll try every trick in the bag,
even the sexist one. SMH.

You know it deep down in your mind that it's true.

MuttleyLaff:
Is it my fault you are infoxicated?
Is it my fault that thoroughly reading through content is a challenge for you?
Is it my fault now, that you don't know that the disciples were tested whilst on a training mission, first, the 12 to the Jews and afterwards the 70, to Jews and Gentiles alike?
Is it my fault you fail to accept and agree that Jesus said, follow me, I'll teach you to be fishers of men?

You are full of bullshit, you need having an enema.

For you to to have quoted Ezekiel, then it shouldn't take you anything to quote where it was stated in the Bible that they were on a training session.