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Martinez19:
is that an answer to my question? Do you believe in the christian god aka the biblical god? It's a yes or no question.

You question is rubbish. Every single religion believes there is a Supreme being who created every single we are seeing. That's the God I belive in.

Martinez19:
Do you believe in the christian god or not?

A Supreme being is God.

CAPSLOCKED, secondly, just because you have not experience God does give you the right to tell me what I experienced is bullshit. You can only speak from your perspective. You can't speak for me. You have two options..... Believe or don't believe. Don't re-write my experience with God.

CAPSLOCKED:
I SAID IT. THIS ONE IS JUST A CONFUSED WANT AWAY CHRISTIAN. YOU CLAIM TO NO LONGER BE A CHRISTIAN BUT YOU KNOW GOD, BUT EVERYTHING YOU POSTED SUGGESTS YOU STILL ALIGN WITH THE CHRISTIAN GOD IDEA, THE SAME THING YOU CLAIM TO HAVE DISCARDED.

IN MY OPINION DEISTS ARE MORE CONFUSED THAN THEIST. WITHOUT BEING BRAINWASHED BY YOUR PARENTS AND THE SOCIETY THERE'S NO WAY YOU WILL FIND THIS GOD YOU TALK ABOUT.. BECAUSE IT IS NOT THERE.

YOU EVEN CLAIM "HE" TALKS TO YOU?
SO THIS GOD CAME TO YOU AND SAID IT'S GENDER, WHICH COINCIDENTALLY IS MALE JUST LIKE THE GOD OF CHRISTIANITY YOU ONCE BELIEVED.... IF YOU HEAR AN IMAGINARY MAN TALKING TO YOU YOU BETTER VISIT A PSYCHOLOGIST BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

First of all, let me state that I hate arrogance. I detest people who thinks they know more than me that went through an experience. It's call I too know.

Originakalokalo:
One of the reasons is that he preached the truth only and always. He also preached salvation all through.

I'm asking because your father's case was not the first I've heard about, I have also witnessed one. And you know me and my questions, I asked o. I'm like those who didn't have half of their anointing have bigger crowds.

After my question, I learnt the new definition of destiny.

Uyi168:
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U used to be a staunch Christian..
What happened

I moved higher Sir. My best religion till date is Christianity. But like every single religion out there, it put God in a box. I'll give you an instance.

I have met people from every facet of life who are good and not necessarily religious. But religion will tell me only those who do this and this are good.

CAPSLOCKED:
1. WHICH GOD?
2. HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS GOD?
3. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS GODS NEEDS YOU, YOUR ATTENTION AND PRAYERS, AND HOW HAS THIS GOD TRIED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU DIRECTLY?
4. I'M ASSUMING YOU WERE RAISED A CHRISTIAN, AND JUST LIKE THE REST OF US YOU DECIDED TO DISCARD "RELIGION" AFTER A COUPLE OF THINGS DIDN'T MAKE SENSE UPON INVESTIGATION BUT YOU STILL LIKE TO HOLD ON TO THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW, SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY CREATED AND CONTROLS THE WORLD.
IN ALL SINCERITY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL ME IF WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT YOUR RELIGION PASSED DOWN TO YOU MOST LIKELY BY YOUR PARENTS, YOU WOULD COME TO "KNOW" OR "BELIEVE" THAT GOD EXISTS.

Thank you for your beautiful questions.

1. The God that I serve.

2. First from my family, then the society at large which includes the church.

3. He doesn't need me. I needed Him. He communicate with me every single seconds of my life.

4. I would, simply because I've being in a state where I stop believing in God. For 3 years I stopped believing in him. But, I founded him again.

Originakalokalo:
I don't need to. I know.

Why?

* Why does geography seem to have far more to do with one's religious choice than actual free will?
* How can you say God loves and cares about everyone if some people suffer while others prosper?
* Even if we assume that one particular religion is true, doesn't the existence of many religions at least prove that mankind likes to make up religious stories, and that people have a tendency to believe them? How do you know yours isn't one of those?
* If everyone actually believes in the Christian god, why would highly religious non-Christians purposefully following the wrong religion, especially when that religion is more strict or just as strict as any sect of Christianity?
* If Adam and Eve only knew good and evil after eating the fruit, then why did God assume when he told them not to eat it that they knew it was "wrong"?
* Why do we inherit sin from our ancestors, but salvation has to be an individual choice?
* If god is omniscient, (all knowing), why do you need to pray to him?
* If god is omniscient, (all knowing), why does he need to test us?
* If god is omnibenevolent, (All Loving) why did he create evil? In Isaiah 45:7 the scripture reads as follows: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
* Please explain the difference between a "Claim" and "Evidence" and after doing so, please show me the evidence for your god.

XxSabrinaxX, before I answer your questions, let me state clearly that I'm not a Christian but I believe so much in God.

There's different between being religion and being spiritual. Religion is serving God via keeping the laws of man while spirituality is serving God without the laws of man. Religion is man-made while spirituality is not. Religion is following the ways of others while spirituality is following your own way. Religion defines God but spirituality defines you. Religion limits God but spirituality explodes Him. Religion is a tool of control but spirituality is a tool of discovery. Religion crushes your mind but spirituality explodes your mind. Religion is limited but spirituality is limitless.

Since I'm not religious, I won't be able to answer your questions.

Seun, what's happening? I was mentioned and it didn't appear on my mention.

OP, have you ever ask God why your father who had been in ministry for more than 30 years only had 20 members despite the anointing he carried?

Funnily enough, Moses wrote the book of Genesis and he wasn't born when all these events took place. All he need to justify all these was that God gave it to him.

He used the name of God to enslave women. The same way he broke the 10 commandments God gave to him in other's people land. God don suffer.

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LOL, THIS ONE WANTS TO CRY.
I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU TO LEARN TO REASON WITH YOUR HEAD INSTEAD OF YOUR FEELINGS.. BUT I KNOW THAT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I want to cry for pointing out your hypocrisy? Would you have make this statement to a man?

[quote author=frosbel2 post=74661544][/quote]I. The church generally is against divorce. In fact they are more stricter with men in leadership position.

2. The church won't bestowed a leadership role upon a man who is not married.

3. Men also goes to pastor to ask for consent. If you are a worker in most churches, you can't marry without the pastor's consent.

4. In some churches, there's a rule no man must marry outside of the religion.

5. Some can't leave their marriage despite how unhappy they are.

Religion is a tool of control over men and women. I can say that from the point Christianity.

Dantedasz:
Every single comment??
Haba,madam......

No vex. Most of the comments.

frosbel2:
Point of correction - I did not FORCE my wife to stop going to church, I INFLUENCED her to STOP going to Church. Everyone in my household is free to do what they want to do as it pertains to religion. My Sons have given up on church because I gave them the choice but they still believe in God. Please do not twist my words - thanks



True, but we are talking about the MUMUISM that is practised by many Nigerian Women who worship the ground and even sand that their Pastor or Man of God walks upon. They have totally yielded their thinking faculties to destructive religion and it has affected many families negatively. These are the women that will rear the next generation of thinkers and leaders of Africa, which is quite scary , considering that they constantly indoctrinate the kids with religious trash.

Furthermore, many women endure abusive marriages because of religion - Islam and Christianity are typical examples.

This is a sexist remark. And the fact that you didn't realise it buttress my point that most Nigeria men are chauvinist.

Ain't there men who worship the ground their Pastor walks on?

Don't male child sees their father as role model?

So why single out the women when they are also victims as the men to the teaching of religion?

So why insult women for believing in something the men are also guilty of?

Why not insult the men for being a mumu to religion?

In as much as I am against religion , I've never witness a pastor climb the pulpit to preached that a man should abused his wife. The only teaching I've witness is teaching of submission. And I didn't learn that from religion. I first learnt it from my culture.

The control of women by men start from the family, then the society at large. Religion only buttress only what's in existence.

It's why every single comment on this thread reflect the thinking of an average man. The seeing of women as inferior.

Religion thrives because there's an environment for it. You can hardly find a Nigeria man who's not a chauvinist. All you blaming religion failed to see that. Frosbel who's blaming religion just told us with his own mouth that he stop his wife from going to church. He forced his wife to be who he's. How's that different from religion?

Religion forced women to be an extension of a man. Most Nigeria cultures also forced women to be an extension. The men are trained as gods while the women are trained to be their footmat.

She is not to be trusted. What are you looking for? Some of you are far greater than these pastors. Abeg, always pay attention to your mind. When you struggle with a decision then it's not God.

Hmmmmm. Na wa o.

jesusjnr:
This is my honest opinion on this particular post.

Many think that my revealing of the many mistakes of Apostle Paul, was done with malicious Intentions, however what they do not know is that Apostle Paul is a good friend of mine, who I see a colleague and brother, and therefore that this was done to help a brother out, when he needed my help.

It very obvious that the church had more or less become a mammonic setup, where the mammonic gospel is being preached by mammonic church leaders, so in that respect I think that this post got it absolutely spot on.

However with respect to Apostle Paul, despite the many mistakes that I thought that Apostle Paul had made which has negatively affected the church, I never considered him to have been culpable in the respect of the mammonization of today's church.

For i actually that that's one area where Paul got it just about perfectly, as he lived a life of sacrifice, selflessness and was a man of integrity.

Hence in spite of Apostle Paul's many mistakes I would take him even with the mistakes any day, anytime over the Pharisees 2 that dominate the church today.

That said though I understand luvmijeje means well, and so she's got my support.

I respect you more for coming out to state your position. I enjoy it more when people challenge me. When I'm through with my 12 revelations, if you would still take Paul over the pastor's of today, I'll look harder into the mirror.

MuttleyLaff:
¹This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
²A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
³Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
- 1 Timothy 3:1-3

"Certainly, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
Some people who have set their hearts on getting rich have wandered away from the Christian faith
and have caused themselves a lot of grief."
- 1 Timothy 6:10

"¹⁷Teach those who are rich in this world not to be proud and not to trust in their money, which is so unreliable.
Their trust should be in God, who richly gives us all we need for our enjoyment.
¹⁸Tell them to use their money to do good.
They should be rich in good works and generous to those in need, always being ready to share with others.
¹⁹By doing this they will be storing up their treasure as a good foundation for the future so that they may experience true life."
- 1 Timothy 6:17-19

"¹But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come.
²For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money,
boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
³unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good,
⁴traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
⁵having a form of godliness but denying its power."
- 2 Timothy 3:1-3

luvmijeje, answer the following questions please:
1/ Are your familiar with each and all of the above verses?
2/ Please give the name of the person who is responsible for the words in each and all of the above verses
3/ Since you're familiar with the verses earlier shown, do you consider your named person given as the answer to #2 above, blameworthy still?

But does it nullify him saying Christ was poor to make us rich. Especially when Christ has explicitly stated you can't serve God and money.

Do you remember where Christ told someone to sell everything he has if he wants to follow him.

In my short time on earth, I've realized, you can't be spiritually great and be physically rich. Do you know why? Because your wealth is only a means to fulfill a purpose. At any seconds, you can receive instructions to sacrifice what you have for someone else.

Christ justifying the teaching of prosperity singularly lies on that verse spewed out by Paul.

For those who missed part 1-3, please click on my moniker.

I struggle with this third part because it was unlike the first two. I struggle with it partly because Paul reminds me of me with this teaching. And partly because he took a glory that belongs to someone else. So let me shoot.

Paul's teaching : Galatian 2:10-11

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Christ's teaching : Matthew 10:5-6

These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Why did Paul's teaching reminds me of me? He indirectly challenge the teaching of Christ. Most Christians of today are cowards. They can't indirectly challenge their Pastor talkless of directly. If you can't challenge your Pastor then how can you challenge God?
If you can't challenge God, you are not ready for spiritual promotion.

So why did I accuse Paul of taking other people's glory? Before the coming of Paul, the disciples were already having relationship with the Gentiles. And Christ had instructed the disciples to go ye into the world.

What Paul and others did was to stop the circumcision of the Gentiles.

Paul was taking glory for something he didn't begin.

MuttleyLaff:
I would have done the same in that or similar circumstances. It is called perfecting the art of psychology and feeding on people's fears, insecurities, being naive and ignorant

Finally. You agree with me on something.

MuttleyLaff:
There are things we agree on, there are things we both don't accept as being right but I don't see eye to eye with you on the issue of your discrediting Paul. Remember I said, I had the same opinion you had about Paul, but, I thank God, I found the error in my moment of lapse and misunderstanding of the whole issue.

So far, you have failed miserably in faulting Paul's teachings. If others turn whatever Paul wrote on its head, this is not Paul's fault.

If I place a knife on a table, and you pick it up to use but you cut yourself, is the fault of hurting yourself my fault? Why didn't you use the knife carefully and properly?

After unveiling my 10 revelations, if you still find Paul faultless, I'll look harder into the mirror.

jesusjnr:
It really feels good being called heretics by the Pharisees 2 and their blind sheeple, for that feels like being in the Master's shoes who was called a heretic and a blasphemer by the Pharisees 1 and their blind sheeple.

Maybe it just remains the blasphemy part for me to become completely fulfilled and I just can't wait.

Please the spiritually blind and ignorant should not make me wait for so long, for i'm getting desperate.

Let me welcome you again to the world of opposition.

MuttleyLaff:
Please feel free to. I promise I won't say, I told you...

I watched it and it's the absolute truth. You know I went to the cross over service 2 days ago. For the first time in a year I stepped into the church. The name of the church is Holy Ghost Christian Center. The pastor's name is Amos Fenwa.

Do you know that I didn't wait till 12pm before leaving because of an event that took place.

The Pastor climb the pulpit around 11pm. He said he has a revelation that a member of his church hit someone with a car. So everyone who had a car should come out to the altar. While those who don't sat down. I jejely picked my purse from the chair and went home. Some will not see anything wrong in this but I'll list 5 things that's wrong.

1. The church is now divided into the have and have not.

2. What makes him think those that have car now will still have it before the revelation takes place?

3. What makes him think those that don't have car now will not have it before the revelation takes place.

4. What makes him think that the accident will be cause by a car owner and not by a car or a bus borrower.

5. I was humiliated out of the church because I have no car. A place where I should be see with less judgement has now become a place I'm judge by my level of materiality.

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus had a caucus, and had an inner caucus. Peter, James and John were members of the inner caucus.

We are all equal before God, the same way husband and wife are equal before Him, the same way the human body's parts equal each other
but then the husband is the head, in a similar way, the topmost part of the human body is head, somebody has to take the lead, isnt it.
The whole human body moves forward but it is the foot who takes the first step forward then the whole human body follows, so what's giving luvmijeje headches God's beautiful arrangement.

It was Paul who advised: "Place yourselves under each other's authority out of respect for Christ"
with Peter complimenting with: "Don't be bossy to those people who are in your care, but set an example for them."
Now I dont know why luvmijeje is blaming Paul as being responsible for the sins done and still being done by others

Chillax. Two down, eight more to go. If at the end of unveiling 10 ways on why the teaching of Paul change the narrative of Christ's teaching still prompt you to ask why I'm challenging the teaching of Paul, then I'll look harder into the mirror.

MuttleyLaff:
luvmijeje, dont bother watching it, as you'll not only be draining your battery all over again but on top, this time you'll be wasting it over watching a 5-sec clip of an abject hireling and his partner in crime, who goes by the name Creflo Dollar.

It is a very old Youtube video clip that featured here on the Religion forum more than once many years ago.

Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something.

Agrogbeide:
Are you going to forced your revelations down our gullets? If it is of God it will surely stand but if not I know it's dead on arrival. Please hasten these revelations so we can test them by the Spirit of God and also make sure you have peruse through the Scriptures so that your revelations won't contradict what has already been enclosed in it.
Thanks. God bless you.

I'm not forcing Sir. I'm only sharing.

This is the second part of my revelations. If you missed the first part, click on my moniker.

For this second revelation, I want to thank Jesusjnr. It was when when I was discussing with him last night that I got this revelation. So let me shoot.

Christ's teaching : Matthew 6 :24

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Paul's teaching : 2nd Corinthian 8 : 9

For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.

We now have another God in the church of today. The God of money.

Dantedasz:
Watch this-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgS2uDMEF4

Please I've a low battery but promise to watch it as soon as I charged.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=74391421]"Ile ni apoti nti joko de idi" loosely translated means "The sitting stool doesnt stress itself, it just waits carefree, at home, for the bumbum to return back for a sit"

If I ask you now to explain what true and pure religion that's faultless is, you'll be chopping teeth.[/quote

MuttleyLaff, relax. Get ready for your views about me to change. We all have different purposes. I'm only fulfilling mine. Believe it or not, by challenging me, you are also fulfilling yours.. ]