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enilove:
What exactly do you mean by " discovered" ?
Where they at anytime lost ?

Secondly , what research did you carryout and how did you come to the conclusion that the writters of the gospel were not the disciples of Jesus ?


Do you think the Bible just started existing 100 Yeats ago ?
Why was the Bible allowed in the land of Israel , which is the centre of it all , or was it not known to them that Jesus never existed ?

Why did the Israelites Pharisees not dispute the occurrences of these events ?

Pls , don't decieve yourself , I know PERSONALLY that Jesus is real , and he is our Lord and Saviour .

Let me answer it accordance.

Firstly, I used the word discover because I don't have knowledge of it before.

Research are done by reading documents in relating to what you are interested in. It won't kill if you do it too. In in this case I simply queried the authors of four books of the gospel.

No the Bible didn't start 100 years ago. It was made public 500 years ago when a man named Martin Luther interpreted the Bible and fought for it to be made public. Do you know about that? Meaning the Bible was accessible to a few group of men who called themselves priests. Again do you know about that?

The Bible was not made public. The new testaments was written after every single one involve were dead and buried. It's like writing a book on Oduduwa the so called founder of Yoruba race. Where will I get my materials from? The four books of gospel was based on I hear and them say and not on what the writers saw and heard.

There is a reason Christians are still in minority and not majority in the Land of Isreal. They are mainly jews.

Jesus is your lord and personal saviour and not mine.

Solksjaer:
oops! I forgot to mention, my late dad was a pastor and they wanted me to fill the void he left, most of his colleagues came to me on a one on one telling me the same thing: ranging from fasting praying, going to mountain and all those rites associated with religion. Seriously, I feel like running away cuz I'm kinda self sufficient but my MOM is really the issue here. Its really crazy bro.

Thank them for the honor and let them know you just finish 7 days praying and fasting on the issue and God told you if you dabble into it, you will forfeit your life just like your father did. Tell your mother the same story, they will leave you shaperly.

enilove:
WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST ?

Thank you for asking.

I've gotten to discover he's a man like you and me with his own flaws. That a certain group of men sat down in a cubicle and decides to play God by creating a mystery around him.


Do you know the first manuscript ever discovered in relation to the new testament was the the book of Revelation. The first set of manuscripts that should have been discovered if we go according to the Bible should be the 4 books of gospel. And in carrying out my research, I found that the authors of the four gospel books are not witness talk less of christ's disciples. How can you write about someone when you're not a witness?

Op, I had nothing more to add because there have been a lot of beautiful responses from those that I didn't expect it from.

But let me share this short story with you. I still believe in God but I've stop going to church for the past 1 year because I no longer believe in Christ being divine. Those close to me knows that I've stop going to church but they don't know I've stop believing in christ. So there was a time a family friend came to visit us and when leaving, we that are present are forced to pray.

When it was my turned, I discovered I couldn't pray without putting Jesus. So I quickly weigh the option, don't pray and cause a scene or pray and don't cause a scene. I choose to pray and not cause a scene.

frank317:
If the concept of God is not the same to everyone, what then is ur point?

How can a God that created us exist and u think its okay for the concept of him to be different? When we tell u God is a man made idea same u will still be arguing.

It was never the same. Go through their religious book each author have different experience with God.

Because they made it a crime for them to question the book they are reading, they all now believe they must live their lives according to the authors who wrote the different books.

My issue with religion is that the adherent failed to realise the authors have different experience with God, so why are the followers mimicking the life of others.

tintingz:
Religion has it positive and negative, it is a tool.

You said religion gives love, companionship.

It may seem it does but it is base on some book dictating it, you need to read from the book before you could show love, the book tells you when to be good. Ask most religious people if they like homosexuals and see thier response or ask a boko haram if he likes a Christian. Ask a Christian what she thinks about a dead Muslim in afterlife.

You do have a point. My issue with religion is the herd mentality. It's the power it has over men. They have made it a crime for anyone to think outside of the box.

It happened yesterday to me on this section. I was pointing out a flaw and you have to see the way one guy start raining insult on me. If that kind of person sees me live, he can kill me with a gun.

obinna58:
I like you too sweetheart, I think understanding goes both ways, being able to put yourself in their shoes as well, pointing to my view atheists are indirectly more of the same and I don't think their belief matters to whatever it is that triggered our existence, with time I'm sure you'll be able realize that believing in doesn't fill any gap i'll it's meant for those stucked in their beliefs, I do appreciate you view and open mind.

I understand their point of view. I understand why they believe there is no God but there are times I'm like are they in this country. Haven't they heard of black magic? Haven't they see cult guys or area guys fight with black magic?

I was born and grow up in most deadliest area of Lagos, so I have seen a lot of crazy things that if I start explaining they will say I'm lying. I've seen things that's beyond the reasoning of science.

So you will understand why I think Atheists especially if they live in this country are living in a bubble.

frank317:
Greatness is a concept of a state of superiority affecting a person or object in a particular place or area. Greatness can also be attributed to individuals who possess a natural ability to be better than all others. (As defined by Wikipedia)



If this is what greatness means to you. Then you are even relegating God to anything anyone want's it to be. A lot of people feel this way without subscribing to God.


I have felt that way, I don't subscribe to any nonexistent entity.


If you call God great and he is the creator of everyone... U cannot subject his greatness to ur feelings and perception. U got it wrong dear.

Frank, take a step back. There are different religions in this world and their view of who God is, is clearly different. For instance the Bible is not written by one author and who God is, was seen from different perspective of the different authors. There is no one defition of who God is.

The concept that God must be the same to everyone is probably your view of God should be.

You will never feel the same way I felt, our journey was never the same.

sonmvayina:
The old testament and new testament are 2 different religionsous books.. The jews wrote the Tanakh for their religion called Judaism,. They believed in a universal God that is responsible for both good and evil, when you sin all God requires is a sincere and genuine repentance and your sins will be remembered no more..
The Romans who were pagans stole this Tanakh and called it the old testament and added their own at the end of it and called it the new testament.. They recognise 2 separate gods one good the other evil hence it is a dualistic belief.. And they thought the God of the jews was the devil, so they created their own god on the other of Emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire as saviour of man by his sacrifice on a cross...
The old testament god hates human sacrifice and abhors it...

Thanksss. I now understand why the devil was mentioned severally in the new testament than in the old testament.

I won't be surprised if creation story of the devil tempting Adam and Eve was not in the Book of Torah(The book of Judaism).

Where are the yahoo Boyz?

Seun, it's unfair o. I don't understand why the Muslim section should be shielded from someone like me who's neither a Christian nor a Muslim. If feels like a cult.

frank317:
God, is supposedly the creator of everything... His greatness shouldn't be questioned, neither should it be selective. It should be felt by all, both believers and non believers. No one should in doubt of this greatness.
So since u have confirmed that it has not happened to me do u expect me to see him as great? More still isn't it normal that I doubt ur story since I and many other of his so-called creations have not felt his greatness?

Greatness that is selective, is that one great?

What's your definition of greatness? Let me define how I view greatness.

Greatness is feeling happy despite not knowing what caused it. Greatness is feeling hope despite dooms all around you.

If you hadn't feel that, it doesn't mean others have not felt it.

What's greatness to me can never be greatness to you. Knowing you, you will rubbish my definition of greatness because you are incapable of seeing from my perspective.

obinna58:
Certainly there's cause for existence if that is called God then let it be but I'm sure it has no connection with us for now, talk less of how he want our lifestyle to be. Believing in him is just useless but I believe one day we might know what it is.

I like you and I'm sorry that it took me this long to appreciate your point of view.

Believing in God fills the Gap. It fills the gap nature have left void. You saying there is a cause of existence shows you are not putting your head under the sand.

When we as human don't learn to put ourselves in other people's shoes, it is intellectual laziness. And I'm sorry, that's how I see most Atheists.

Probably because I'm expecting so much from them, so when I see them not grasping the reason why most people believes there is God and just brush over their reasons, it bothers me.

frank317:
U are not even making any sense my dear lady. What makes God greater than u? He is just an idea in ur head and u say he is greater than u. God has never manifested himself in the modern world, all we have is people like u conjuring him in ur head and hearing things no one else can her, is that the meaning of greatness to u?

U are using a phone made by man, can travel a long distance in a plane made by man, can treat ur sickness with drugs made by man, yet u call God who lives in ur head, depends on u to spread his word or speak for him greater than u.

Take for instance, I don't believe in God and I don't feel his presence in anyway, how can such a being be great? What's great about a being who only manifests when u believe? God cannot even make toothpick and u call him great?

So much dependence on this nonexistent being is part of Nigeria's problem... U can see we have nothing to offer to the world at large despite worshiping this great being.... If God was great as u say, his greatness will manifest in Nigeria and there will be no excuse as to why we are backward.

HopefulLandlord come and see fallacy of generalisation. Frank you are something else. Writer should be more open minded but you are proving it wrong. Writer should be capable of seeing events from other people's point of view but you are proving it wrong.

Just because it has not happen to you, doesn't mean it has not happen to others.

If he's dangerously rich and he publicly made a statement to that fact...... Is that not saying the truth?

Honestly, we are living in an hypocritical society. So if someone is poor and publicly claim he's poor you we all be okay with it?

Point of correction, there was no church during the era of Christ. There was no tithing and there was no different kind offerings. When Christ wants to give to the poor, all he needs to do, was to do miracle.

One wonder how come nobody has turn 5 fishes and 2 loaves of bread to feed thousands since the day of Christ? So what's the basis of comparison?

obinna58:
I'm not an atheist either or a religionist, glad people are having a positive mindset

So you believe in God?

Have anyone of one you ever wondered, the reason why the church of nowadays are struggling to meet up with the early church is because the events that took place then was doctored.

What do I mean? That the negative part was removed and the positive aspect was exxagerrated. For instance, if I'm going to write a memoir, you don't expect me to write something that will make others to be judgemental of me.

So we are placing today's church pari passu an utopian church.

hopefulLandlord:
Speak for yourself

I will speak for myself the day you all stop making fallacy of generalisation.

In my short term on earth, I've realise one is not necessarily attracted to a God fearing man. Because most God fearing man are not compatible with you. Except if you want to marry for the sake of marriage.

What's my point? You should pray for a man who will love you irrespective of your flaws and a man you will love irrespective of his flaws.

Most marriage are crashing today because most hide their flaws at a stage they shouldn't.

obinna58:
You're not religious since when
Seems we've gotten into you
Tell me what I don't know

Please and please I'm not an Atheist and I'm not a religionist. And I know I'm still going to repeat it 1000 times.

frank317:
Believing in something is not the problem. Believing in urself makes more sense than believing in a magical sky Daddy. Its both childish, distracting, hypocritic and delusional.

I don't believe in scientists... I don't even know how to believe in scientists. But I'd rather trust science to do the job. Heck, I wish I was one.

Believing in the wrong thing is what I perceive religion as. Believing in a God u have never seen to do unseen things for u is why I think religion is part of Nigeria's problem

That's your opinion and it's an opinion I strong disagree with. Believing in something greater than you makes you feel sane. It enables you to rationalise a lot of things your senses can't process.

When I see some of you speak, I'm like you all are still living in a bubble. I'm like these guys love seeing themselves spewing bullshit.t

frank317:
Religion is not Nigeria's problem but religion is part of Nigeria's problem

I've read your reasons but in making your point you failed to realize that men are wired to believe in something.

For instance you. You believe in your fellow men..... The scientist. But science don't give hope. It doesn't give love. It doesn't give companionship the way religious does. You all failed to realize the need to believe in something is just as critical as the need to live.

I'm not religious and I don't believe religion is the problem of Nigeria. Religion has rather been a solution to poverty, hopelessness and loneliness.

It's why it's the biggest creation of man.

echodrum:
It simply means that you do not understand why some people watch porn before or during sex. If I may ask you, Do you cum during sex? If you do what do you think makes your body to cum? If you think the pressure from your man's Shaft is the only reason, you are wrong. And that could be the reason why I think many women like you take years to reach climax or never cum at all( no insult ma'am). Your mind or Brian is actually what makes you to cum. Hence some people choose to use videos or pictures as an extra help to stimulate them. If you think your man's shaft is the reason behind why you cum, I will ask. Will you cum if someone is raping you even though the pressure is there?

Porn just don't work for me. If he really wants to put me in the mood, he should rub me at the right place. I'm more of a romance person. I just don't see porn as romantic.

LordReed:
I thought you said you'll never come to this section again if your "prophecy" fails? What are you doing here? LMFAO!

LordReed, go and sit down.

MrPRevailer:
You're a deceiver, liar and gullible. What sin/evil will the so-called priest be hiding that has not been exposed by the Bible itself.

No but it is a deperate attampt to add doctrines and lies to the Bible. Just as they have other heretic cannons of the Catholic faith that justifies them to pray to Mary and angels instead of Jesus, the only mediator among other disgusting paganic heresies.

It will take more than your emotional rant to deter me from saying my truth.

I have been an attacking dog like you before so I understand that you think you are defending God.

brodalokie:
I think that the Bible is perfect as a blueprint with the current 66 books. You are allowed to read others books to compare. But the 66 books is authentic

I know the Bible is fallible. So we'll have to agree to disagree

brodalokie:
So after them remove am finish, them come leave out the part where he say make we no remove am?

For them not to be bothered about that strong warning was a red flag for me. When I was much younger, anytime I read Revelation 22 in my mind I would be like this curse is too much o.

Martinez19:
I am so happy for you. I remember when you were still religious and we argued about "irrefutable miracles" then as I monitored you, I witnessed your gradual disassociation from religion and the nice views you developed about atheists. This life comes and goes and everyone should be happy.

Thanks. But I believe in God. My life has been a journey of discovery and if not for Him, I will still be in darkness about a lot of things.

Which of them has the most spiritual members i.e members who can hear from God directly and not from their pastor who's a man like them?

I don't even know when to start with you. You're not a curious person. You are not someone that's open minded. You are the reason why the leaders of a church commit a crime and go scot free.

I was reading the book of Revelation last week and my mind tells me to go to Revelation 23. I went there and I couldn't find Revelation 23. The book of Revelation ends at 22. And my mind tells me to google it and what I discovered shocked me. The book of Revelation has 30 chapters and 8 were removed because the priests were not comfortable with it.

Those who were familiar with the book of Revelation knows the strong warning John gave out. Despite the warning, they still remove am o.

If you're curious like me, you will wonder on not only what they remove, you will also wonder on what they add in order to brainwash people like you.

What do you want them to do with the information? Those who can decode what you put up there are holding position in their church. They are directly or indirectly benefitting from the system of lies.

So if they scatter the church, will you give them position or what will they benefit from you?