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salvation101:
stop confusing ursef with English language as if the Bible was written in English language. The same word translated as "in" here was translated as o in several other places in the Bible including the verse 13 of this same chapter. If u want me to list the other places, i can help u. Stop interpretating bible with ur knowledge of English language.
In all the portions u quoted u forgot to also mention Philippians 2 where it was clearly stated that Jesus did everything he did willingly. He left his glory and took the form he took willingly

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

All these verses says otherwise at the Red bolded letters.

John 3:6 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 10:17-18 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Jesus Christ is not coequal with God the father and has never seeked his own will but the will of God the Father who is the greatest and above all that is seen and unseen.

KJV even used the word "power"

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who gave him the power?

@op well done

But finally you need to spell Margarine correctly. Even though it's not good for our health.

Interesting.

tamethem:
And if He is the son of God what is He. My Dog last month gave birth to dogs and yesterday my hen hatched the eggs and guess what came out of the eggs chickens that I can equally call hens.

Now if he is the son of God I guess he is is supposed to be God.

There are many things we think we know but really don't know we don't know. You can't explain the Oneness of God and Christ. They are two different people that are One and can't be separated.

Like you can't explain how God remains present in all places at all times so also you can't explain the oneness of God and Christ with your human logic. So there are many things you should not worry yourself about else you'd end up an atheist.

Oga through out the entire bible did Christ or his disciples ever called or refer to himself as God the son?

Did you know what that phrase implies?

The oneness of God is not debatable, Deu 6:4 was very clear with that. Jesus Christ repeated it in Mark 12:29

Deluded Op

"I Am Ready To Change To Christianity, Than To Continue With Radical Islam – Emir Sanusi Makes Deadly Confession"

His Royal Highness, the Emir of Kano and former Central Bank of Nigeria, CBN, Governor, Lamido Sanusi, has denounced radical Islamic teachings that breed poverty in Northern Nigeria.

The Emir, who stated this via his Instagram page, noted that the Southern Christians had set the pace of development in the country, and apparently left the North behind.

He urged Governors such as Abubakar Yari of Zamfara State, to pay attention to his opinions, and teach his people to be productive, instead of being beggars.

He wrote: “It’s my duty to speak the truth about the ill-effects of conservative Muslims who are harming Islam, rather than helping it.

“I condemned their refusal to expand their knowledge outside their own religion, and failure to realise that knowledge is power.

“I also correctly concluded denying the right to pursue scientific and technological knowledge and restricting people to Islamic knowledge, is the best means of ensuring that Muslims in Northern Nigeria will be remain economically backward.

“I’m upset at the legion of beggars on the streets, and is trying to bridge the gap between the backward North and the Southern parts of the nation.

“I still believe that conservative Muslims are still stuck in the 13th Century, and their claim that children need no other knowledge than Islamic studies, flies in the face of reality.

“All the poverty, under-development, and immense suffering in the North, are a result of uneducated masses, refusing to learn work or a trade.

“The majority of Technicians in Kano are from the South, while untrained indigenes beg. How does that make sense?

“Why is it that conservative Muslims who claim to be against scientific progress, enter aeroplanes and fly to perform the Hajj in Mecca, rather than using camels to cross the desert! Why do they watch sermons beamed by TV live from Mecca, and read the Holy Quaran on their laptops, yet profess to abhor modern technology?

“I’d like to point out that there is no harm in copying from the West, if it brings succour to the masses of poverty stricken Muslims in Northern Nigeria.

“After all, Saudi Arabia, the “home” of Islam, is known for its highly-rated airline, modern hospitals, indigenous oil industry, and space program, all of which make it a world leader.

“In our backward nation, we insist on denying the truth. Unless Northern political leaders like Governor Yari, pay attention to me, there will never be a day when anywhere in the North will be like the modern Muslim cities of Kuala Lumpar, Istanbul, Jakarta, Lahore, Greater Cairo, Dacca, Karachi, Dubai, Riyadh, or Faisalabad.”

enilove:
Thou shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
We have known the truth . Part of their tactics was to say " we serve the same God" ,to make you lower your guide . Muhammed used that against the Jews back then.
He started by saying we serve the same God and there is no compulsion in religion , but latter began calling us idol worshippers and said idol worshippers should be enforced to accept Islam or be killed.

They practice Taqiyyah a lot. They see it as wisdom. They know in their heart that their religion is a religion opposite of peace but they shamelesly say its a religion of peace as if other people are blind and deaf to all their evils, present and past.

May God continue to strengthen us to stand for the truth.

They gradually encroach into your territory and space, pretend to be friendly, mingle and take what is yours, deface and make it theirs then turn it right back at you by condemning yours to be fake and no longer original while trying to force theirs on you and if you try to oppose and question them they get all violent and angry to attack and maim you. They will call you names like Kafir/infidel/unbeliever etc. These are fanatical and extremist Muslims for you




Advice :- beware of them

Let me book space first

Jesus was a Jew by tribe and not by Religion

danvon:
And honestly that link didn't provide the origin it said it has been associated with Judaism since 3rd century, but how long? No one knows

You can do more research on that

danvon:
And you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

Yes of course, what does the Jewish symbol has to do with the bibles validity

danvon:
. Now that's more like it, finally some enlightenment, completely unscriptural if I might add

It must not be scriptural

danvon:
can you provide any proof that it's not? you agree Star of David isn't found in the Bible

Here is the origin and meaning of the star of David. Someone like you will soon ask why is there a blue stripes on the flag? Or why is the israeli flag white?

The Star of David, also know as the Magan David (Shield of David), has been a symbol associated with Judaism for centuries. A stone bearing the Star of David in a synagogue in the Galilee dates back to the 3rd century. It is believed to have been used as a decorative design.
A Star of David was used in the year 1108 in the Leningrad Codex, which is the oldest complete edition of the Hebrew Bible in existence. The term, Magan David, was used as early as the 11th century as a name for the God of Israel, where God is compared to a shield in the divine protection of King David.
A 12th century text, Eshkol ha-Kofer, a work on the Ten Commandments, refers to the Shield of David.
Coins found in the 13th century bear the Star of David.
The Star of David was used in a medieval Tanakh manuscript from 1307 in Spain.
A Siddur dated 1521 from Prague includes a large Star of David on the cover with the phrase, "...He will merit to bestow a bountiful gift on anyone who grasps the Shield of David."

The Star of David and Zionism
The Star of David became officially associated with Judaism when it was chosen as the symbol to appear on the flag at the First Zionist Congress in 1897. At that time, it became the symbol of the Jewish people, Zionism, and the Jewish communities throughout the world.
David Wolffsohn designed the flag for the First Zionist movement, which became the flag for the State of Israel when it became a country in 1948. He wrote,
"At the behest of our leader Herzl, I came to Basle to make preparations for the Zionist Congress. Among many other problems that occupied me then was one that contained something of the essence of the Jewish problem. What flag would we hang in the Congress Hall? Then an idea struck me. We have a flag—and it is blue and white. The talith (prayer shawl) with which we wrap ourselves when we pray: that is our symbol. Let us take this Talith from its bag and unroll it before the eyes of Israel and the eyes of all nations. So I ordered a blue and white flag with the Shield of David painted upon it. That is how the national flag, that flew over Congress Hall, came into being."

The Jewish Star of David Meaning
This six sided figure symbolizes that God rules over the universe and protects us from all six directions: north, south, east, west, up, and down with the middle - the hexagram - providing the spiritual dimension.
The Star of David symbol helps remind us that despite our efforts to accomplish in this world, just like God decided that King David would be successful in defeating armies much greater then his own, so too will God help us accomplish our goals. This is why we say, “Blessed are you God, Shield of David” in the third blessing recited over the reading of the Prophets every Sabbath (read more about The Jewish Sabbath).
With the forming of the State of Israel in 1948, the flag of Israel was officially adopted. At that time, the Star of David became more than the symbol of the Jewish people, it became a symbol of the State of Israel.

The Holocaust and The Star of David
During the Holocaust, the Jews of Nazi-occupied Europe were ordered to wear a yellow Star of David, with the word, "Jude," - Jew, to identify the Jews. If a Jewish person was seen in public without the Jewish Star, severe punishment or death would occur. The wearing of a Jewish Star was also an act of defiance by those who were not Jewish, but who defied Hitler and his orders. When the Jews of Denmark were ordered by the Germans to stitch a yellow Star of David to their clothing or face severe punishment or death, the King of Denmark, who was not Jewish, declared that he would be the first Dane to wear that yellow star and would continue to do so until this threat to his people was removed.

The Star of David Meaning and Kabbalah
In Kabbalah, the two interlocking triangles represent the reciprocal relationship between man and God. Our good deeds are represented by the triangle pointing up to God and God reciprocates by allowing holiness and beneficence to flow towards us. When a Star of David is worn on jewelry, it helps us feel like we are walking with the protection of God and as a reminder of his presence. It also shows our love for the State of Israel.

Finally you can read more about the start of David via the link below.

https://www.jewishgiftplace.com/Jewish-Star-of-David.html

danvon:
that's a question for people who support Islamic nations, this is for people who support the great Nation of Jesus Christ himself

Keep lying

danvon:
can you provide any proof that it's not? you agree Star of David isn't found in the Bible

Show me where I said the bold?

danvon:
Ok thank you I'm just wondering why Israel adopted that symbol of all the available symbols

Of all the available symbol why the crescent moon and star symbol of islam..mind you it is also used for wicca.

danvon:
I know you wouldn't give me any answer at all, I asked mine you ask me another one I was simply stating the only Symbolic star in the Bible, why don't you enlighten me since I've been waiting, well that's only what your good at, in Daddy freeze voice "Using sentiments and emotions"

You brought the verse which mentioned the star of moloch which you suspected to be the adopted star of David...you should have explained and show the similarities between the two first to draw to your conclusion.

Anyway, The moloch star is not the star of David (Magen David) or Shield of David ok.

danvon:
I know you wouldn't give me any answer at all, I asked mine you ask me another one I was simply stating the only Symbolic star in the Bible, why don't you enlighten me since I've been waiting, well that's only what your good at, in Daddy freeze voice "Using sentiments and emotions"

You brought the verse which mentioned the star of moloch which you suspected to be the adopted star of David...you should have explained and shows similarities between the two first to draw your conclusion.

The moloch start is not the star of David (Magen David) or Shield of David.

danvon:
I never said it was the star of moloch, that's why I'm asking you what it is

You see how dumb you sound again ...why draw that verse from the Bible then, when it seems it has no correlation to the question you asked..stop dribbling yourself

Answer question number 2 na

We must know how a moloch star looks like according to your assertion before we dive into knowing the meaning of the star of David to be sure if they are the same stars. don't you think so?.

danvon:
still not enlightening me just say you don't know what it is

The questions I asked are not ambiguous. Here they are again:

If a star of moloch was mentioned in the bible, what makes you to think this star is the star of David?

How does the star of moloch looks like? As we all know that there are many stars with different shapes and number of edges.

After you answer..then I will explain the star of David to your dead brain cells.

danvon:
Bible truth "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
Revelation:3:9 ..... "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Revelation:2:9. ....For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John:1:11 there Bible truth they are not Jews they are the synagogue of Satan

Yes it is talking about Islam and the people stealing the Jewish right and identity

Now go back and address Joel 3:1-7

danvon:
I asked a simple question, why can't you just enlighten me directly with your answer, no you start convulsing drug addict.

You don't ask intelligent questions..but some how one need to put a lost goat like you back on track.

I hope you've seen the stupidity in your OP?

danvon:
your a fool for saying this homosexual loving Israel was created by God twisting the word of God like all devils do

Plain bible truth in ya face...e don pain am

Ignorant and dumb OP as usual.

If a star of moloch was mentioned in the bible, what makes you to think this star is the star of David?

How does the star of moloch looks like? As we all know that there are many stars with different shapes and number of edges.

After you answer this I will enlighten you on the star of David and how it became part of their national flag.

Tharhiwan:
[s]YOU CAN CHECK THESE AND REASON TO IT,with ur bible open
MAY GOD GUIDE US TO ONE AND ONLY
PATH.
*38 Simple Reasons Why Jesus Is Not
God and not son of God but prophet*
1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6)
2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus.
(John 14:28 )
3- No one is "Good" including Jesus.
Only GOD is" Good" (Luke 18:19)
4- Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark
13:32)
5- Jesus said that" OUR God is One GOD
(Mark 12:29 )
6- Jesus also said "My GOD and your
GOD" (John 20:17) 7- Jesus bowed his face down to the
ground to GOD Almighty. (Matthew
26:39)
8- Jesus was tempted by satan for 40
days (Mat1:4), while GOD Almighty can
not be tempted (Jacob 1:13) 9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40)
10- God is neither a man nor a son of a
man (Numbers 23:19)
11- No one can see God (1 John 4:20) but
people saw Jesus
12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12)
13- Jesus always confessed he is just a
prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11)
14- God Declared Himself to be God,
Jesus didn't (Ezekiel 20:20)
15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice Mark1:38)
16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice
(Matthew 9:13)
17- Jesus referred himself as Servant:
Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16
18- Referred himself as Prophet: Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15,
6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17,
7:16, 6:14, 7:40
19- Referred himself as Son of Man:
Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2,
Luke 9:22, John 5:27 20- Referred himself as a Slave: John
13:16, Matthew 10:24
21- Referred himself as a Student:
Matthew 10:24
22- Father is Grater than Jesus (John
14:28) How can someone be greater than God?
23- Jesus was taught by the Father (John
8:28)
24- Jesus can do nothing by himself
(John 5:19, John 5:30)
25- Jesus does not even have his own doctrine (John 7:16)
26- Jesus ascended to his God (John
20:17)
27- According to Christian Jesus died as
recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but Bible
says that God is infinite Psalm 102:27-27 28- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and
was Helped by a Woman, as stated in
Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-
sufficient
Psalm 50:12
29- The God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12)
30- Jesus is the same human today,
yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:
31- Jesus could not save anyone as he
was even not able to save himself
(Hebrews 5:1- 32- Jesus said he was sent to lost sheep
of Israel
(Matthew 15:24)
33- God can not be born and perhaps
form His own creation
34- Jesus never told people to worship him
35- Jesus did not Teach Trinity
36- God is the essence of the worship.
He is the object of worship. Had Jesus
been God, he would have told people to
worship him. Truly, he did the exact opposite as in Matthew 15:9
37- Jesus never called his followers
Christians, Paul did .(Acts of apostles
11:25- 26)
38- Jesus as a servant of God (Matthew
12:18) EXPOSE THE HIDDEN TRUTH BY DR SHEIKH
PRINCE Share with Christians to save the lost souls.[/s]

Crap as usual

analize701:
He has a very poor way of hiding it sef.

Frosbel speaks

analize701:
He claims to be a Christian, but talks like a Philistine. Very soon, he'll jump and shout, ***conversion***

He is an impostor...Wolf in sheep Clothing..a Muslim masquerading as Christian.

danvon:
you asked if there was a Palestine ,"Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of PALESTINE? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;"
Joel:3:4

Always quote and read to understand..Joel 3:1-7

1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples (Al-aqsad) my goodly pleasant things:

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

Verse 7 is all in your face today and you are crying foul.