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true2god:
allahh is a confused god and a bad communicator. In one place he will praise the Christians and the Jews, and a minute later he will deride them. allahh or Mohammed has a serious mood swing.

The Islamic Allah speaks from both sides of the mouth, and I guess his sheeple slaves took after him in that

danvon:
2 John 1:1 tells us not to bless an unbeliever unless your part of his evil deeds

"The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;"

That is Your 2 John 1:1

And where did you see bless in my initial post?

Empiree:
ehen, maybe u can educate me on this?

Educate a closed minded person??

Thanks! but no thanks. I will rather pick a goat as my student

Empiree:
Here is a 1 minute clip. Hate crimes against christians in Jerusalem by Jews. Here is graffiti they wrote on the wall.."Your Jesus is garbage. Death to Arabs and christians" written by orthodox Jews

You are confused. You don't know your priority


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkbwUyycop8

We Christians still love them like that and pray for them, that is what the scripture teaches us

Empiree:
Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them



A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

read more: https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

So? Does this make Jerusalem not to be Israel's Capital?

Trying to spread hatred among the Jews and Christians by all means, is this another jihad tactics?

Try something else uncle.

In as much as I don't agree completely with the OP, especially where you rendered "God" to "a god", it is not false teaching to agree that there are many Gods or gods in heaven or earth but to us there is ONE TRUE GOD. Knowing there is one true God. Either God with 'G' or 'g' does not really matter.

bahaushe1:
We need to know who John is before before we take his words serious.

We are well aware Jesus (pbuh) didn't say those words to anybody neither did he instruct anyone to write any book on his behalf.

We are also well aware that throughout human history God inspires only His Prophets and Messengers. These Prophets and Messengers are well documented.

So, who is John and where did he get those words from?

You mean the same way those who wrote the quran and hadith are very questionable?

Or did the quran and hadith fell from the sky into Muhammed's lap?

There is nothing wrong with present wordings in the Slootha'd Maaran Eashoa mishkah (Prayer of our Lord Jesus the Messiah)

It all depends in our various level of understanding who God the father is.

Here is the Aramaic prayer and it direct english similitude.

Mattai qeepaleeyun Waw 9-13

"Avvon d-bish-maiya, nith-qaddash shim-mukh.
Tih-teh mal-chootukh. Nih-weh çiw-yanukh:
ei-chana d'bish-maiya: ap b'ar-ah.
Haw lan lakh-ma d'soonqa-nan yoo-mana.
O'shwooq lan kho-bein:
ei-chana d'ap kh'nan shwiq-qan l'khaya-ween.
Oo'la te-ellan l'niss-yoona:
il-la paç-çan min beesha.
Mid-til de-di-lukh hai mal-choota
oo khai-la oo Behind-bookh-ta
l'alam al-mein." Aa-meen.

Matthew chapter 6:9-13

"... Our heavenly Father, hallowed is your name.
Your Kingdom is come. Your will is done,
As in heaven so also on earth.
Give us the bread for our daily need.
And leave us serene,
just as we also allowed others serenity.
And do not pass us through trial,
except separate us from the evil one.
For yours is the Kingdom,
the Power and the Glory
To the end of the universe, of all the universes." Amen!

The phrase "Lead us not into temptation" does not contradict God a bit. For it is in line with 1 Cor. 10:13

"13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

"Lead us not into temptation" is a request and whatever we diligently seek in truth shall be given to us.

More over God tormented Saul with an Evil spirit from him. Does that need to be altered as well? No! Because it does not reduce him from being "Our Father" And God Almighty.

Finally like I said earlier, it's all boils down to how we understand God Our father. He wills everything in the universe.

Following...

still on tithe hun!

juanomowa:
Now, that's a point. By tribe not Religion, seeing He is a descendant of Judah.

He brought no religion but He left a doctrine and those who choose to follow it are called Christian, which is now a religion today.

Yes..but the fact remains that he did not institute any religion. Religion is man made.

juanomowa:
I came in with no invitation...apology.

Jesus is no Jew. In fact, I can say He has no religion. Though He was birthed among them, being Hebrew, but He didn't choose their way; hypocrisy, lies, etc. And He was hated. He doesn't regard their Laws too, 'Cuz they appeared futile to Him. And because of these He sets a new doctrine/religion, as it is written, 'Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it'.

Christian simply mean follower of Christ or Christ- like, because He is the founder of Christianity.

Jesus can't be a Christian because the religion started after He left. And He wasn't a Jew for they did not accept Him cuz His ways is not theirs. And for these cause Muslims will say Jesus is a muslim. Because He followed the faith of Abraham, which is MONOTHEISM. Believing in One God.

I'm so weak at the moment, but I have try to explain that the way I can, presently.

Jesus is a Jew by tribe not by Religion...because he brought no religion to this world.

olasaad:
I no but its just seems confusing. Some claims Jesus is Jew why other says he's a christian. So that is what I want clarity on.

Jesus is a Jew by tribe, because he is from the tribe of Judah, but by religion...he is neither a Jew,Christian or Muslim. He brought no religion.

smoy:
Mark 15:34 At three, he uttered a loud cry, “Elohi! Elohi! L’mah sh’vaktani?” (which means, “My God! My God! Why have you deserted me?”)

those that sound like Allah or not, Jesus uses Allah.

I thought you as a Muslim believe Jesus did not die on the cross to begin with. Which of the Jesus spoke those Aramaic words on the cross again?

The Confusion your self proclaimed religion has put you in is cosmic.

shadeyinka:
Let me interpret what I seem to write in Arabic tongue
Ishaq (Isaac) gave birth to Yakub (Jacob) and his (Jacobs) descendants are Jews.

I used Ishaq and Yakub so that Moslems will be able to comprehend. Shadeyinka is very much in love with Jesus as his Lord and Saviour. The southern tribe also consist of Benjamin

Sorry if I was a bit harsh. I understand all that you wrote up there...I am vast in semitic languages

The part I stroke was what I disagreed with. But i later saw that you explained it better. Nice work. Stay in grace of our Lord Jesus.



Shalom aleikhem!

smoy:
Genesis22:14 And Avraham called the name of that place Hashem Yireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of Hashem it shall be provided. was it called jehoha jire or Hashem yireh

ignorance is bliss on your path

"Hashem" simply means "The Name"

Now if I may ask you what is that name?

Remember these are words used to replace pronouncing the Holy name "YHWH"

shadeyinka:
A Jew is an Isrealite/trace his roots from Jacob. A Jew will normally practice Judaism as a religion (religion of Moses).

Jesus, Mary, David and most of the prophets known in Islam are Jews, with the exception of Abraham, Ishaq, Ismaeel and those before them.

[s]Ishaq gave birth to Yakub (Jacob) and his descendants are Jews.[/s]

What is all this rubbish na!

Somehow trying to force Islam in again.

Jews are descendant of the tribe of Judah, one of the 12 sons of Jacob aka Israel.

Yerushalaim shel zahav

Jerusalem city of Gold

bahaushe1:
And who is John?

Your point exactly?

First of all who ordained Judaism as a Religion? Where did it come from? Who started it? What are the characteristics of this religion?

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God is ONE. He created the earth, the heavens, and what is between them. He is alone in His ownership of His creation.

Ok

He has no son, He has no partner, and He has no co-equal. No vision can encompass Him. No human has ever seen Him.

@ bold John 3 :16 says otherwise

The closest anyone has ever come was speaking to Him. This honour was granted to Moses (pbuh) and [s]Muhammad (pbuh) alone. He spoke to them behind a veil.[/s]

Mohammed claimed that he received his message from Jibril

Jesus (pbuh) was a messenger of God just like Noah (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), Moses (pbuh)[s], and Muhammad (pbuh). He was to herald the coming of Muhammad (pbuh).[/s]

Mohammed heralded himself all by himself

To answer your question: Muslims worship God [s]while Christians worship a messenger of God - Jesus Christ[/s] (pbuh).

Muslims worship What they do not know. Christians worship the creator of the heavens and the earth (God Almighty).

Coded484:
How did you know there is supreme being.
I just want you to convince me that there is God
because personally I believe God doesn't exist, everything happen by chance.

The same reason you can't convince me that there is no God.

Just a tip and something for you to think about "day and night is not by Chance"

It is way too consistent to be by chance.

Rotation and revolution of the earth is not by chance

Seasons change are not by chance

Finally the complex nature of our DNA is not by chance.

harbjar:
Let me just rush through ur other questions so it wont sound like am running from them..
2. Mohammed is from the descendant ot Abraham and his Great grand father is Ishmael... And God promise to Abraham according to the bible is to make him father of all nations.. Gods promise to Ishmael according to genesis 17vs 20
As for Ishmael, I will bless him also, just as you have asked. I will make him extremely fruitful and multiply his descendants. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
3.his ancestor depending from who you mean but we both know Abraham who happens to be the father of all nations wasnt a jew, and his language was oldAramaic which give birth to Hebrew and arabic and a critical study of languages u will know they sound v. Much alike.. Do ur research on that but let me help you.. Moses in Hebrew, musa in Arabic, Ishmael -Ismail, Abraham -Ibrahim etc
4. Because the rest of the prophets starting form Jacob the sons of Jacob that gave birth to the Jewish language was Hebrew laws were given to moses in hebrew.. But Muhammad is from their brethren that spoke a sister language called arabic
5.arabic
6.jibril is an angel and they aint humans and guven by Gof they should be able to speak any language Gid want them to
7. The quran has an answer to that.

Allah sent down the Quran in the Arabic language; Allah says: {And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people.} [Quran 14:4] the previous Prophets, may Allah exalt their mention, were sent to their own people, so it is for this reason that they were sent speaking their language. However, our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was sent to all nations, but why is it that he was sent with the language of some of them [the Arabs]? The answer is, 'Either he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) would have been sent with the language of all of them, which would have been unusual and abnormal; rather, this would have been most unlikely, and it is impossible that each word of the Quran be repeated in each language, so it had to be in only one language, and the Arabic language is most deserving of it, as it is the richest and most eloquent one and because it is the most suitable language for the addressees (the Arabs).”
8. That the prophet slept with an 8yrs old gal is a shame to come from u... There is no such proof in the quran that said Aisha was atva certain age when she married the prophet... All this age stuffs are just speculation from different theologians trying to guess the age in which she was which could be false.. So have said it was 16 some said 18 19 and some said it was even 9... Getting age 8 from u is another new age which i have never heard of before... So u see, people just saying what thEy wish ..but for clearance.. Mhe was not and never a peodeophile.. It would do well for u to find out the age of Mary mother of Jesus when she married
9. Abraham gave birth two sons remember, its in ur bible.. Ishmael the first son and isaac the second
Ishmael birthed arabia.. isaac birthed isreal... Its all part of the promise of God to make Abraham father of all nations not one nation...
10. Yes the Quran.. M the truth and accurate stories of all Prophet from Adam to jesus including his mother and his birth..you might want to get a cipy of quran and read them.. Very interesting and deep ones.. The Quran said

Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (Surah Al-Baqara, 136)..
Jesus Christ said seek the truth and ut shall set u free..
Ma salam

Moses = Egypt or (Babylonian)

Moshé = Hebrew

Xiadnat:
Smashing post toks. Shocking and even heresy to some 'religious' spirits. But this posts veracity is scriptural.


My sentiments exactly when it comes to all these religious squabbles that have plagued mankind for ages.

I can worship God in any place: mosque, synagogue, shrine etc...

I can celebrate any holiday I want: christmass, easter, hanukar, yon kippur, kwanza, eid fatir, new moon etc...

I can read any religious book I want: bible, book of mormon, the JW tower or something rather, koran, the sans scripts etc...

......at end of day: I am grounded on whom I serve in my heart. And it won't change a thing of my belief in the great I AM.

The G-d who is a spirit and can only recognize spirit G-d to spirit Man. Not religion, not building, no creed, no scripts.

Anyways....

Two thumps up. 5 stars out 5.

Hmmmm...where have thou been?

Shalom!

Coded484:
Before we start talking about whether or not Christian and Muslims worship the same God, First, is there God?

Yes there is God, a supreme being by which everything there is either seen and unseen were all made.

smoy:
[s]that was your biblical stories and your historian sites i used in answering u of the Judah and the Judaism but if you have contrary prove the provide the link.

well i gave u definitions of Islam and it pillars which all prophet upheld to as servant of God, but if you do not accept my view do your own research and stop following the teaching of churches which contradict that of Jesus. they were all Muslims[/s].

You did not supply evidence from the scriptures those prophets you mentioned brought. So I can't take anything you wrote up there serious.

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i don't know what is wrong with the quote, i cant quote you paragraph by paragraph.

No problem

your 1st parag; that is not true, Jacob is the Israel and the father of the Israelite who beget 12 sons among them was Judah and his kingdom became famous among his brothers, Moses came from this same Judah lineage because Levis was later path of Judah. this was the origin of Judaism, it is never a religion but a tribe. again if you think otherwise from their book show me where Judaism is called as their religion.

Have you heard the saying that " all Jews are Israelite but not all Israelite are Jews "? Those are Jews by tribe. The once called Jews by faith or religion can be traced from Abraham.

2nd parag; yes no evidence in the Qur'an of his prophet hood but he was a pious man who worshiped the religion of his father and forefather and because he was pious and good leader in the religion of monotheist of Abraham and other prophet he became reference name of a religion. Judaism was never a religion.

Still no evidence that it was Islam either

3rd parag. yes that made them Muslim because those are the form of worship for any prophet on this earth.

Lies.

4th parag; that is just enough my brother nothing more

More lies

lastly if you wont to see where they perform all this act i will show it to you in the bible, one God, fast bow and pray even with ablution. this is Islam.

Which of the Bible? Do you believe in it enough to quote from it? Remember you muslims claim it has been corrupted?

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fair enough, Judah was not mentioned as prophet in the Bible but he was a pious man and leader of his tribe and his name was use when referring to combinations of tribes of Israelite and from his name Jew was gotten, so Judah was a name and from that Judaism was formed and it was never a religion.

Judaism began even way before Judah, there are Jews by tribe and Jews by religion. Jews by religion or faith dated way back before Judah.

your second question, not every one mention in the bible but only the one Qur'an mentioned or Muhammad (SAW) mentioned, or show in the Sirah (Islamic history).

So why make every pious patriarchs prophet?, no evidence even in the quran to show that Judah was a prophet.

before i will quote books for your on your last question let know what Islam means first; Islam means total submission to the will of God i.e anybody that follows God in accordance with the rules of God as brought by the prophets is called Muslim. second definition of Islam i.e direct translation of Islam means peace so in the summary of these 2 definition Islam means peace accrued by the submission to the will of God

The monks knee and bow in more perfect state of Peace ...does that make them muslims? All the Prophets worshipped in synagogues and temple..not mosque..except the quran and Mohammed that claims that they were all Muslims no any other facts or evidence concerning this.

now, we have 5 work mandatory for you to be called Muslim 1. Belief in One God only 2. perform prayer (bow and prostration to God only) 3. pay needy their dues 4. fasting and 5. pilgrimage.

This is not enough reason to make one a Muslim

from these u will now no that all the prophets (Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc) of the Bible were Muslims because the all perform all this duties, thought all these might not complete during their time but they were given fraction of it but the coming of Muhammad then Islam was completed.

Show me evidence in the scriptures of those prophets i.e (Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc) where dey claimed and call themselves muslims.?

smoy:
calm down brother, attack approach for every thing is not the best, calm and let reason together. if you are ready i will be here

What attack?


Here are my questions again

Where is your evidence that Judah (Yehudah) was a prophet?
Is everyone in the biblical history now a prophet in Islam?

Where is your evidence that they all brought Islam?

Show me where this people were called Muslims in their book?