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smoy:
Judah is a name of a prophet from God he dose not came with any religion called Judaism it was the later people started calling them Judaism, but if you think otherwise show me were they were called Judaism in their book as a name of religion. they all brought Islam.

Stop disgracing yourself already,

Where is your evidence that Judah (Yehudah) was a prophet?
Is everyone in the biblical history now a prophet in Islam?

Where is your evidence that they all brought Islam?

Show me where this people were called Muslims in their book?

scriptaz18:
Sir, really - there was a time the fallen angels had sex with the "daughters of men". Beyond that, they went on to marry them.

There are two different believe concerning the sons of God in Genesis.

1) the sons of God are = righteous sons of Seth

2) the sons of God are = Angels (spirit beings)

I am of the believe that the sons of God were angels who took in daughter's of men for themselves.

At OP who does the bible call antichrist?

1 John 4:2-3

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

With all these lengthy posts yet the OP does not know that Jesus is the way..












Knee down lemme pray for you!

What is this one saying sef?

MuttleyLaff:
I dont do those kinds of fights, all I tried messaging you, was to stick to the thread's subject matter so not derail the thread

I said go open a new thread for this and be still... typing on, there
because I wont be responding to you on here, on any matter, you further type concerning it

Open a new thread to showcase your "AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS" learnings and then mention or invite me

Please also tag me on the thread, will like to follow up on this topic.

One is from God Almighty and the other one is from Arabia

michaelwestern:
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in anunknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

There are times when speaking in tongues is just personal prayers to God through the Holy Spirit.

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holyfaith, praying in the Holy Ghost.

Can you differentiate between "Holy Spirit" And "Holy Ghost"?

Cause I believe they are not the same.

[quote author=bahaushe1 post=62565678]

1. Allaah left the protection of Torah and Gospel to the Rabbis and Priests who failed in their part to protect it. This is a test from Allaah which they failed. Secondly, Allaah has decreed that Quran will be His last book to mankind. So, protecting Torah and Gospel from distortion would have been inconsequential because rulings of the original Torah and Gospel would have been abrogated by Quran all the same. Thirdly, distorted Torah and Gospel are being used by Allaah to test His servants who claimed to have believed in Allaah and in the Prophets that brought the books.

Still doesn't add up or make any sense to not protect his Word as he claimed to protect quran.

2. Anybody born after Muhammad (pbuh) was called to prophethood belongs to the nation of Muhammad (pbuh). He is expected to use Quran as his divine guidance. There is no need for any Muslim to look for original Gospel or Torah because their laws doesn't apply to the nation of Muhammad (pbuh).

So in other words those that were born before he was called to prophethood don't need the quran right? Just like you muslims does not need the Torah and the gospel. If you don't need the Torah and the gospel..what about the part of the quran that compels you to ask the people of the book if you are in doubt. Besides you accuse the Torah and Gospel if being corrupted the onus is on you people to bring forth the original one.

3. Meaning of Gospel? I do not know. What I am required is to believe that Allaah send Jesus (pbuh) with Gospel and I believed.

If you are to believe that Allah sent Jesus with the Gospel is it not as important as knowing what that Gospel is? If you don't know the meaning of Gospel how can you understand it significance or sure that the Gospel was even corrupted?

4. [s]Masih (Messiah) means someone who touches ill people and get them healed[/s] by Allaah's leave. Allaah granted Jesus (pbuh) miracles just like He granted Moses (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) miracles. These are signs from Allaah granted to His messengers with which people of sound mind can see the divinity of their calling.

I don't know where you got that ur meaning/definition of Messiah but it is ridiculous , come on..Jesus and Moses's miracles we know but that of Muhammed remains questionable. And why were Moses and Muhammed not called Messiah by your own definition of the word "Messiah"?

5. Allaah's name is Allaah, The Mighty, The Creator of the earth, heavens, and all that is within them. To Him belongs the most beautiful names and the attributes of completeness and perfection. There is no deity worthy of worship then Him.

Every language has the word they use to refer to God. As you also know that the word "God" is a title for supreme and mighty being or entity.

English = God
Hebrew = Elohim
Aramaic = Elah
Greek = Theo
Arabic = Allah
And so on...

The meccans worshipped Allah before Jibril came to Muhammed to reveal the quran. What distinct name is your God as Allah is Arabic word for God and even the pagans worshipped him before Mohammed and Jesus was a Jew who must have worshipped the Hebrew God who's name is Yahweh and also all the previous prophets before him. why is Muhammed's Allah don't have a name?

asuustrike2009:
Because Jesus resurrected on the first day of the week and the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection. This is evident throughout the book of Acts ( 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:7). Acts 20:7 is the clearest verse in the New Testament which indicates that Sunday was the normal meeting day of the apostolic church

The verses did not say they observed sabbat.

1 Cor. 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

As we all know that sabbat are meant for rest and no form of work is permitted on that day.

Now here are verses that clearly state sabbat day.

Genesis 2:3
Verse Concepts
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Psalm 118:24
Verse Concepts
This is the day which the LORD has made; Let us rejoice and be glad in it.



Exodus 20:8-11
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. read more.

Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Exodus 35:2
"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
'Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 'Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

Hebrews 4:9
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Exodus 31:17
"It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."

Leviticus 23:3
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings.

Exodus 34:21
"You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest.

Exodus 35:3
"You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day."

Leviticus 23:38
besides those of the sabbaths of the LORD, and besides your gifts and besides all your votive and freewill offerings, which you give to the LORD.

Isaiah 56:2
"How blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who takes hold of it; Who keeps from profaning the sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Isaiah 58:13
"If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot From doing your own pleasure on My holy day, And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, And honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure And speaking your own word,

2 Kings 4:23
He said, "Why will you go to him today? It is neither new moon nor sabbath." And she said, "It will be well."

Isaiah 1:13
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies-- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.

Ezekiel 46:3
"The people of the land shall also worship at the doorway of that gate before the LORD on the sabbaths and on the new moons.

Ezekiel 20:13
"But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness They did not walk in My statutes and they rejected My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live; and My sabbaths they greatly profaned Then I resolved to pour out My wrath on them in the wilderness, to annihilate them.

Ezekiel 22:8
"You have despised My holy things and profaned My sabbaths.

Leviticus 24:8
"Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the LORD continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.

And so many more verses that talked about the sabbath. Sabbath start from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday

bahaushe1:
This one of your problems, you qouted a hadith without reflecting over it is meaning. The hadith you qouted depicts events of the day of resurrection. On that day believers will see Allaah and seeing Him is more pleasing than entering paradise.

But who are the believers that will make paradise? Believers are people who believe in oneness of Allaah, His Lordship, and worship none but Him. Thay also believe in His angels, the books He revealed to His messengers, His prophets and messengers, the day of resurrection, and divine decree.
Allaah created mankind in order to test him. He who pass that test will be rewarded with paradise in the hereafter while he who fail the test will punished in hellfire. Allaah is just and has forbidden injustice for Himself and among His servants. Therefore, to ensure justice, Allaah choose the best among each nation and send him as prophet or messenger of Allaah to his people calling them to believe in oneness of Allaah and isolate Him in their worship. He also serve as a warner of the severe punishment for wrongdoers and Allaah's mercy for the righteous.

The first of Allaah's prophets on earth was Prophet Adam (pbuh) and the last of them was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Inbetween, there were hundreds of prophets the stories of some were narrated to us by Allaah in His books while keeping the stories of others to Himself. All the prophets called to one thing: believe in oneness, and worshipping of, Allaah alone. The laws governing the day to day affairs of the people differ based on the circumstance of the people, for example, it is allow for a brother to marry his sister among the people of Prophet Adam (pbuh) but forbidden among the people of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

This arrangement continued up to the time of Jesus (pbuh). Jesus (pbuh) was send to the children of Israel at a time when there was so much corruption among them. They have altered the book send to them by Allah through Moses (pbuh), they encouraged usury among themsleves, they stone and kills prophets of Allaah. It was at this difficult time that Allaah choose and send Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to them with a new book: Gospel. Gospel confirmed what was in the Torah, relaxes some of the restrictions in the Torah, and described the characteristics of the prophet that will succeed Jesus (pbuh). Once Jesus (pbuh) appeared it is expected that all those that believed in what Moses (pbuh) brought in the Torah should now believe in the new messenger (Jesus-pbuh) and use the Gospel to judge among people. Whoever among the children of Israel and others that lived at the time he preached and the 600 years that followed his ascend to heaven and just before Muhammad (pbuh) was called to prophethood belongs to the people of Jesus (pbuh). For one to be a believer during that people he must believe in Allaah, believe in prophethood and messengership of Jesus (pbuh), believe in the Gospel that was brought and used by Jesus (pbuh), believe in angels of Allaah, believe in the books that preceeded Gospel and the prophets that brought them. Anyone that lived during that period who rejected the calling of Jesus (pbuh) having seen or heard the messege in it is pure form is a disbeliver and is currently being punished for his disbelieve.

Period of the prophethood and messengership of Jesus (pbuh) ended with the beginning of messengership of Muhammad (pbuh). Whoever lives in the period from the day Muhammad recieved his first revealation to the beginning of the hour belongs to the people of Muhammad. For one to be a believer during this period he must believe in oneness of Allaah, believe in the messengership of Muhammad (pbuh), believe in angels, believe in Allaah's books, in believe in the prophethood of all of Allaah's prophets (those known and those unknown) from Adam (pbuh) to Jesus (pbuh), believe in day of resurrection, and believe in devine decree. Whoever see or hear the call of Muhammad in it is pure, correct, and undiluted form and rejected it is a disbeliever and if he dies on that path will never make paradise. Whoever live in this period but did not see or hear about the call of Muhammad (pbuh) in it is pure, correct, and undiluted form ( this is the case of many people in europe, americas, and hinterlands all over the world) will not be punished by Allaah for his disbelieve but will be tested on the day of judgement.

It is generally believed that whoever die while believing and worshipping Allaah alone and affirming that Muhammad (pbuh) is His servant and messenger will eventually make paradise. Some people will be punished according to the gravity of their sins before being admitted to paradise as long as they did not die worshipping others besides Allaah. Those are people referred to in that hadith.

As for the issue of violence to alluded to, that is your imagination and it portray who you really are. I said we will not allow to continue spreading falsehood "unchallenged" but you dicided to skip that part. Well, this is part of that challenge I referred to, presenting you with evidences from your own book, our own book, and from rational point ofn view until truth becomes obvious to you.

It is only people with poor historical accounts that associates Islam with violence. No dounbt, Jihad is prescribed for this nation by Allaah and we are ever ready to partake in it. However, it is known historical fact that it was the Pagans of Arabia that persecuted Muslims the same way early followers of Jesus (pbuh) were persecuted. Some Muslims were forced to migrate to Abysinia (Ethiopia) and later the disbelievers plot to kill the prophet just like they did to Jesus (pbuh). This forced the Muslims to leave their hometown of Makkah and migrate to Madinah. Then Jihad was prescribed and they took revenge and overpowered the disbelivers.

Over the years, disbelievers have become notorious in chasing innocent prophets of Allaah out of their hometowns ( read the stories of prophets Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad -pbuh). They mocked and stones prophets and in some instances killed them. Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) is to last to the end of the world hence the need for Muslims to keep the transgression of the disbelievers in check.

And finally, Islam is a religion of Allaah, if anyone could destroy it those before you would certainly have done so. You can not be more powerful than the people of Noah (pbuh) but Allaah destroyed them with water. You can not be more powerful than the Phaor but Allaah destroyed him and gave victory to His servant and messenger Moses (pbuh) and his people. You can not be more powerful than the Qurysh pagans, the Roman empire or the Persian empire but Allaah destroyed them and gave victory to His servant and messenger Muhammad (pbuh).

Here are my questions

1. If Allah sent Jesus with the Gospel how comes he allowed it to be corrupted, why didn't he protect it like the quran?..in other words there wouldn't have been need to send someone else from Arabia after 600 years.

2. If you believed in the Gospel, what was the message and how can we find that original gospel that has not been corrupted?

3. What is the meaning of the word "Gospel" And what does I entails?

4. If Jesus was the messenger of your Allah, what is the meaning of his name "Jesus" to you muslims...i believed there is just one Jesus and he was a Jew from Israel.?

5. What is the name of your Allah, Allah is a title not a name?. Of what significance is the last prophet?

Lastly, can you stop heaving (Pbuh) on Jesus because the bible made us know that he is the "Prince of Peace" He does not need your peace. He rather gives you peace not as the world gives you

Organs:
Hmm, I think we are still saying the same thing for the most part. two things are clear.

1. If you say Jesus is God and saviour, then all this becomes complicated and unexplainable and all you have to do is invoke "dogma" just believe. Trinity has always been confusing and nobody has been able to explain that God is in three forms, or can take three roles, and at some point one part died for three days and it was then in two forms, then that part resurrected again. No ShadeYinka, God said he is above all of that, God is divine, God is not man, cannot become man also, the holy spririt had always existed, read the old testament and not after Jesus ascended to heaven. Again, think about it, why will lucifer tell God the sun just bow to me and i will give you this this and this Think deeply about that... It can only make sense if Jesus is a prophet of God and not God the son. But, like a christian i asked said, lucifer will say anything? I dont get it, i will go to Buhari now and say, bow to me and i will make you President of Nigeria now now now.....Think about it deeply. You will understand. There is a documentary by theologians and Christains and professors, "who is Jesus" Look it up its a rich documentary and all the beliefs.
2. Also, the sacrifice, do you absolutely believe that God will sacrifice himself (son) unto himself (Father) nailed on the cross amongst thieves and left there to die before he can forgive sin? ShadeYinka that is hard to swallow...... Unless that blood atonement of being nailed on the cross, imagine how painful that is and left hanging on that cross to dieelse he will not forgive the sin that adam and eve committed that i and you knew nothing about? And he equally said, the soul that sinneth shall die, the iniquity of the father is not on the son neither is the iniquity of the son on the father, the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and....... My broda, think about it deeply.

One thing is certain, When Jesus came, the jews did not believe him and they did not move over to christianity because of his birth etc. Now, when the Prophet Mohammed came, the christians did not believe him and they did not move over because he is from the descendants of Ishmael, Haggai (slave girl and Abraham Union).

We have no such phrase as "God the Son" please, but rather Son of God

diadem10:
I've been following this thread but let me add my quota.

Jesus is an extension of God, God's image and His son.

What does this mean? As an extension of God, Jesus is a part of God, hence, he's also God himself however was made manifested in a form of human on earth, thereby representing the visible image of God. No wonder he told Philip that he was God because He's a part of God made manifested as a visible image of God that we can see! Don't forget we were made in the image of God, meaning we were made to like Jesus, who's the image of God. That's why Christian have to be like Jesus inside out.

Come to think of it, we were told Jesus is the Word of God, which was with him and the word being God himself, meaning the Word once lived in God but was made manifested in the form human, which is the very image of God that came to live with us here on earth. The scripture even says that He regard his Word more than His name, which means the Word (Jesus) is even regarded higher than the name of Jehovah, no wonder Christians often end their prayer with the name of Jesus, who's the only means to the Most high. He's simply God's head.

Hebrew 1:3 talked about Jesus being the brightness of God's glory and the express image of His person. What does this mean? It means Jesus completes God, he's simply an extension of God Himself. Jesus is the very form through which God express Himself! Remember, nothing was made without Jesus. Jesus is the completion of God's glory. Hence, they are one but that extension of Him, which is Jesus came to the world as a form of a man, making him the son of man, hence the son of the most high God, even as we're also the sons of most high God.

The conclusion is Jesus is a part of God, made manifested to us, hence he's God and he's also the son of God!

1 Cor. 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

lovingJehovah:
Yes, I am a full timer and with all due respect, your aggression is unworthy. I didn't insult you or incite hatred toward Islam. All I did was ask you questions about the religion that you put your faith in and claim to be the only true religion above mine. You said that mine is man made. So, I am curious to get the answers from you. There must be reasons why yours is the religion from God as you said. I accept to be ignorant to Islam so edify me by answering my questions.
Listen, I know the art of pivoting so do not dodge my questions by using sentimental slurs.
We will have a private chat for sure but for the interest of having a closure on the issue that you raised on this thread, kindly respond to my questions.
I will repost them here to make it easy for you.
QUESTIONS

If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?

In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
When was the Koran first translated?
In what language were you taught the koran?
Are you an Arab?
If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
Why the confusing method of communication? Could it have been different God's?
Allah is a title (God), what, then, is the true name of Allah? (Reconcile it with the name Musa called his God and provide evidence)
When was the first pronouncement of the word 'Allah'?
Before your mysterious visitation of Mohammed by the angel, what god did Mohammed worship? In what book did he find the law of his god? And what is that book called?
Why is Mohammed more popular than Musa or Ibrahim?
Why is Mohammed's book given superior consideration than Musa' book?
Why is sex and virginity the highest reward to Muslim heroes?
If you believe in Isa(Jesus) as a messenger as your koran says, where are the messages that he preached written?
If God could send Jibril to write a book, why then did he send so many messengers?
If your god is the truth, why do you face the east? Does he live in the Sun?
If you worship the same God as Musa, did he face the east to pray?
What relationship does the worship of God have with the moon?
Did Musa observe the moon?
If Islam is truly the best religion, why isn't Saudi Arabia your holy land taking in Muslim refugees?
Why did 3 Islamic states lose to Israel in the 60ies n 70ies?
Why have Muslims taken up guns and bombs when your prophet says sword?
Why are you socialising with the infidels on this thread, have you come with the motive to cut the neck?
Why are Muslims still puppets to the west?

Olamkas come and answer these questions I take Allah beg you.

Meanwhile let me sit on this mat, while I enjoy some date palm fruit.

Peacefullove:
LMAO! Jesus referring to his Father is greater is only in Position Lol

okay . that means In position, Father is greater than son , Now who is greater between Son and Holy spirit ?

Waiting for answers on this one...

Ghen! Ghen!

OLAADEGBU:
What do you think he has in common with "Daddy Freeze"?

That I don't know..

Perhaps they are using the chair as a point of contact..

Oh dear! I found this thread late...

The topic should be Evolution of Frosbel2

OLAADEGBU:
It will be difficult to know exactly when especially when backsliding begins in the heart, but I had warned him when he started standing on slippery slopes.

I use to enjoy his argument very well back then..

Such is life..may Almighty God lead us through the right part.

Please what year did Frosbel became an Atheist?

Lydiaf:
He actually saw Archangel Micheal in his dream and not Micheal Jackson,angels appear to us in different forms and symbols to pass a message.
Archangel Michael gives us physical, emotional as well as psychic and spiritual protection. He is the great ultimate protector angel whom you can pray to or call upon.
Study more on angels and how they communicate with us.

Daannnnnnnggghhhhh!

smoy:
[s]yes Injil was translated to Gospel as the bible said in mark 1:14, Luke 20:1 One day, as he was teaching the people in the temple and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes with the elders came up

this is the book given to Jesus and inside this book contained laws, guidance, good news or glide tidings etc but the gospel is not translated to good news (not the second meaning) but the bible writer misplaces the gospel with good news. gospel is gospel and injil is injil but inside it, it contain including good news etc[/s]

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Crap...

saintmark88:
Acts 13:1-52
Key Verse: 13:2,3
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.

While they were worshipping the Holy Spirit said set apart for me..........he spoke to them and they did as he asked. Maamin pls explain to every one how this is personifying??

U said Paul described the Holy spirit as power of God and one of sound mind......den I asked u, can a force have a mind??

Pls answer these questions directly not by asking questions

You said you did not read through my response because is too long.

Why won't you be asking the same question already treated.

How will you know if your answer was in the previous response.

Uncle, Come back when you are ready to dialogue.

Shalom Aleikhem !

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U can make ur point without writing a textbook.....dny bore me with all these rubbish ur writing make ur point straight , there's no way I'm reading all these....I read the first two lines and u boring me already

A closed mind will avoid to read through because the bible verses up there are not mine either.

Pls stop responding to my questions with a question.....ansa d question straight and direct

Now the truth is beginning to get to you. You don't ask me questions and dictate or tell me how to answer you.

I asked you to oblige if I should elaborate and you did ask me to elaborate.

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I will ask u question u will refuse to ansa, u will throw back the question to me, u r not smart Mr maamin

The scripture must be smart, by the grace of God. I'm not here to claim who is smarter either. I had neither evaded any of your questions here.

I asked u can a question based on what u quoted, can a force have a mind??.....u refused to answer that.

What type of force?..you have to be specific
A force in what bases or sense?

Force field, gravitational force, magnetic force, frictional force? For none of these forces have a mind of it own.

Is an evil spirit also a force...

Now an evil spirit is a type of power as oppose to Holy Spirit...it can posses, force, fill up..control.

Mark 1:23-24

And immediately there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, “What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God.”

Perfect Example of an evil spirit at work..and forced to cry out..because it has encountered an opposed power (holy spirit)

Is this evil spirit who spoke in this verse, notice he uses the word us......are they been personified??

When I talked about personification haven't I been using animate and inanimate things..being personified
A suppose evil spirit will be what? A life and also active power or force as you choose to call it.

I hope you don't come saying I didn't answer your questions.

You seem to be avoiding this one. if you are certain that evil spirits are beings or persons too. The onus is now on you to make sense or relate 1 Sam 16:14-16, 19:9 in making the Holy Spirit a God...then evil spirit must be God too. Wisdom and so many other personified inanimate and animate things God and beings too.

saintmark88:
Elaborate on your force teaching, show me were the Bible says its personified the person of the Holy Spirit, cos as far as I am concerned that is ur own crooked and heretic interpretation.

The Holy Spirit experience emotions, slights and injuries which energy does not.

Mt 12:31 "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit " (blaspheme energy?)
Heb 10:29 "and have insulted the Spirit" (insult energy?)
Acts 5:3 "You have lied unto the Holy Spirit " (lie to energy?)
Rom 15:30 "I urge you by the love of the Holy Spirit " (love energy?)
Eph 4:30 (Isa 63:10) "and do not grieve the Holy Spirit" (grieve energy?)

Plus can we also say that evil spirits are forces and not beings??


U just shot urself in the foot, wen u quoted this


Many scriptures refer to the Holy Spirit as the power of God (Zechariah 4:6; Micah 3:. Paul told Timothy that it is the “spirit of...power and of love and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7). [\b]

Can a force have a mind




Pls ansa all these questions

#smile

OK Some scriptural passages seem to describe the Holy Spirit as apparently engaging in personal activity. Does this mean that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person? No!

While at first this might seem to indicate as much, it doesn’t really prove that at all. In the languages of Bible times, nonpersonal things were sometimes described in personal ways and as having personlike activities. For example, in Genesis 4:10 God says to Cain: “What have you done? [b]The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground." Here Abel’s shed blood is described as having a “voice” that “cries out” from the ground. Yet clearly this is figurative language, as blood has no voice and cannot speak


Same way Many (including you) believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct person because the Bible sometimes speaks of it in ways that seem to describe personal actions. But this proves nothing, as Scripture personifies mountains as singing,
rivers as clapping their hands,
the skies and rain as praising God, and trees as talking. Clearly none of these are persons—just as the Holy Spirit is not a person or being either.

Similarly, in the book of Proverbs, wisdom is personified as calling aloud and crying out (Proverbs 1:20-21). Proverbs 8 describes wisdom as crying out, standing on a high hill, calling to men, speaking, having lips and a mouth, loving and being loved, having children and having accompanied and rejoiced with God. Yet obviously wisdom is not a person and does none of these things in a literal sense! Likewise, Psalm 65:13 describes valleys shouting for joy and singing. Psalm 96:11-12 attributes emotions to the heavens, earth and fields. Psalm 98:8 says the rivers clap their hands. Psalm 148:4-5 describes the skies and rain praising God. Isaiah 3:26 says the gates of the city of Jerusalem will lament and mourn. Isaiah 14:8 speaks of cypress trees rejoicing and cedar trees talking. Isaiah 35:1 ascribes emotions to the wilderness and says the desert will rejoice. Isaiah 44:23 and 49:13 describe mountains, forests, trees and the heavens singing. Isaiah 55:12 says that hills will break into singing and trees will clap their hands. In Habakkuk 2:11 stones and timbers are described as talking to each other. Romans 10:6 righteousness is described as speaking. In 1 John 5:8 water and blood are said to testify and agree. Yet clearly none of these things happen literally.

At many instance bible similarly applies such figurative language to the Holy Spirit, ascribing activity to it as though it were a person. Yet, as noted earlier in this chapter, the Bible also describes the Holy Spirit in ways that clearly show it is not a person.

More over When a personal activity is ascribed to God’s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom[ans] 8.9), one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God’s spirit is regarded as a Person.

This is why Peter in Acts 5:1-10 said that Ananias and Sapphira “lied to the Holy Spirit” and also that they “lied . . . to God.” This passage doesn’t indicate that the Holy Spirit is God or one of the supposed three persons of God, as some read into this passage, but rather that the Holy Spirit, being the omnipresent agency through which God acts, is how God heard the lie. Jesus Christ’s reference in John 16:7 to the Holy Spirit as a “Helper” (or “Counselor,” “Comforter” or “Advocate” as some versions translate it) is a personification that provides a good analogy of part of the Spirit’s function in the lives of true Christians. And as noted before, many passages show the Spirit as the power of God to help and assist us, not a distinct person as Trinitarians maintain.

So if you are certain that evil spirits are beings or persons too. The onus is now on you to make sense or relate 1 Sam 16:14-16, 19:9 in making the Holy Spirit a God...then evil spirit must be God too. Wisdom and so many other personified inanimate and animate things God and beings too.

saintmark88

So u r then implying the Holy Spirit is been personified these scriptures.

But can wisdom be lied to.....u have not answered that....how come wisdom has emotions, speak to people and they do as he says, can u fellowship with wisdom??

Yet wisdom is not a person or being with a form or shape.

Going by that if the holy spirit is a force , will u also conviently say that evil spirits too are not beings but forces and wen they speak they r been personified

By your submission here evil Spirit is another being or person right?.

The bible says all power belongs to God
The natural laws of the universe obey God.

If you claim the Holy Spirit is a person a being and a God to your trinity doctrine.

Can you please relate these scriptural verses from 1 Samuel 16:14-16

14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God [/b]is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

Also...1 Samuel 19:9

And the [b]evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

By the implication of your earlier statement that Holy Spirit is a God and a person, being with a form.

What number will the evil spirit from God be in your trinity doctrine?

saintmark88:
U didn't ansa shit......I gave me options n asked me to pick....is that how to ansa a question.....can't you see how I have been answering not trying to be smart with my ansas, hiving u ANSA's straight cos I knowvmy ANSA's r true......but u no, u prefer to ansa questions with questions, thinking u r smart

You want to know who is directly speaking in Rev 22:12 but that verse alone can not make it clear who is directly speaking if we don't read through the entire chapter 22 Down to that verse 12. Because everyone involved directly spoke to someone.

And I said...

And what direct statement of who? God, Jesus, Angel or John? Pick one

Verse 6 of that chapter 22 says..and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

God gave this revelation to Jesus to the angel and to John. Revelation chapter one clears your misunderstanding completely if we permit scripture to interpret itself Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Your tricky questions to drive home your point is the problem with you. It is ok when you are asking your tricky questions but is not Ok when the same logic is in turn used to answer you.

Which you demonstrated in Daniel 2:46 by boycotting that it was not Daniel that was worshipped by quickly using verse 47 to support your claim. forgetting that scripture always explain itself by scripture...Christ says the scripture can not be broken.

Now let me ask you the same type of your tricky question using just Daniel 2:46...who was worshipped?

saintmark88:
You have not answered my question, u keep using wrong statement to dodge from it

Rev 22:12........who spoke

You really need to stop asking this question...In as much as I have answered you earlier on this Rev 22:12. you seem not to be satisfied or chose to ignore the truth.

Which makes you desperately here for the arguing to win the medal and not for the purpose of peaceful dialogue and reasoning together in the light of the gospel truth.

saintmark88:
God is beyond human comprehension, u don't understand the concept of three beings one God......I know, u can never employ human understanding to the tings of God......ask God to open ur !inds and hearts to see the truth.

Meanwhile ansa !y question if the Holy Spirit is a power or a force, how can he be lied to

The Holy Spirit is recorded all through the scripture many times been personified.

It is a common way in Greek literatures and letters that most animate and inanimate objects are assigned gender either masculine or feminine.

Take for example a country is termed as HER
Another example is in Proverbs chapter 8 where "wisdom" is personified.

1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

And so on, if you read through that chapter..you will see that wisdom is pictured speaking as a person with the terms, I, She, Stand, Cry attributed in the description of wisdom.

saintmark88:
So the Holy spirit isn't a being..........if that's true, then y is it possible to lie against the Holly spirit

Throughout the Bible the Holy Spirit is spoken of in the Bible as being God’s divine power.

Many scriptures refer to the Holy Spirit as the power of God (Zechariah 4:6; Micah 3:. Paul told Timothy that it is the “spirit of...power and of love and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).

Luke 4:14 records that Jesus Christ began His ministry “in the power of the Spirit.” Luke 1:35 identifies the Holy Spirit with “the power of the Highest.” Speaking of the Holy Spirit, which would be given to His followers after His death, Jesus told them, “You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you...” (Acts 1:.

Peter relates how “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, [and Jesus] went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him” (Acts 10:38). The Holy Spirit is here associated with the power by which God was with Him—the power through which Jesus Christ performed mighty miracles during His earthly, physical ministry.

The Holy Spirit is the very presence of God’s power actively working in His servants. The apostle Paul’s desire was that the members of the Church in Rome would “abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit,” in the same way that Jesus Christ had worked through him “in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God” (Romans 15:13, 19). Divine inspiration by the Spirit doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him” (Acts 10:38). The Holy Spirit is here associated with the power by which God was with Him—the power through which Jesus Christ performed mighty miracles during His earthly, physical ministry. The Holy Spirit is the very presence of God’s power actively working in His servants.

Now this is what you need to know. The Holy spirit is not God, but is rather a vital aspect of God..the agency, means or better yet divine force through which the Father and Christ both work. This Spirit is pure, righteous and truth.

Ananias and Sapphira lied to God and also to test the Spirit of the Lord” when you read to (verse 9). They did not trust the LORD, so they lied to the HOLY SPIRIT that was dwelling in the apostles and all of the others (Acts 5:4). Because of that, they both dropped dead and were buried (Acts 5:1-10).
The Holy Spirit is of God, that is..the power of God binding the apostles as one in accord. Ananias action was a break away from that Spirit. He lying to the Holy Spirit does not signify that the Holy Spirit is a person(being) or a form as another God.

I will elaborate further if u oblige on what the Holy Spirit is.

Peacefullove:
My own question be this ;

On what basis was Yahweh classified. as 1st person of Trinity, Jesus as Second person of trinity and holy spirit as third person of Trinity .

I need prompt response - Directed to all who believed in the trinity

They will soon come and tell you that, they are 3 in 1 that its a mystery and you need the Holy Spirit to understand.