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Perfectbeing:
When I say king David throne is literal I meant the literal king David (the one that ruled after king Saul and before king Solomon . I should have used king Saul instead of David.

But you get my point now right?

My question was directed to the two thrones mentioned in revelations. When you've answered that, that will bring us back to the literal throne of David. I'm waiting

solite3:
was there anything made without the word?

Was there anything made without the ONE whom the WORd proceeds from?

Perfectbeing:
noted sir.. But you got my message right?

I insist you go back and also give me definite answers, in fact I have made it so easy for you to give a YES or NO answer.

Perfectbeing:
Where do you have your problem in bro?

My question is there at the bold..

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

budaatum:
Obvious? Like something you perceived with your very own eyes?

All the prophets in the Bible, some of who actually spoke to God, never mentioned a three personality God. Jesus, never mentioned a three personality God, despite being the one who sent down that which you now call the third part of this so called three personality God. Yet you call it obvious truth as if it's more than something you were told and never questioned but just believed, and you have the arrogance to accuse another of not knowing God and being blinded by pride!

I agree. The light of truth will enlighten your heart!

You see how ironic the dude sounds in his outright misconception

Instead of praying for the light of truth to enlighten him.

3 in 1 doctrine has no place in the scriptures never.

Primesky:
Hahaha... The truth remains the truth!. Please don't deny it. I won't mock you. I need you to see the truth for yourself, and the bible is very clear about who Jesus Christ is. It's just that you're trying to defend yourself and save face. That I understand, but please, don't continue in it.

Again, you have misinterpreted what the bible meant by calling Jesus Christ an Apostle.

If Jesus answering the name of God was just because God is his father, why should only him answer the name of his father?. Are the angels and men not sons of God, who can also answer the name of the Father?.

Let me show you again from scriptures.

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why did the Jews say that by saying He is the Son of God, He makes Himself equal with God?. Did the language hide something from us?. Again, why is that everytime, Jesus is referred to, the definite article 'the' is always attached as a prefix to Son?. Why is it always 'the Son of God'?. Is Jesus Christ the only son of God?. Why is He always referred in such manner?.

Jesus is not a mere prophet or apostle, but Jesus Christ is God the Son!. Shalom.

If only you could back your claims with at least a bible verse that expressly referred to Jesus as "God the Son" then it would have made more sense.

bloodofthelamb:
Ok sir, please do. May the gracious Lord grant us understand. Amen

Amen!

bloodofthelamb:
Maamin, stop taking the right hand of God literal. The season being that the Father is not a physical entity but a Spirit.

The Father is fully embodied in Jesus Christ through whom He created the material world.

Jesus knew this that why He could boldly declare that, "if you have seen Me you have seen the Father."

This is also the destiny of believers. To be filled with all that God is.

Thanks I really appreciate.. I will also do more study on this very topic.

Perfectbeing:
Pardon me but your questions cannot be answered with definite answers

Nevertheless I'll answer them still.

Before I begin, I'll like to say that I prefer to use the word Godhead instead of trinity. It's my preference.

Jesus is the second person in the Godhead who became flesh and dwelt among us ( John 1:1 , 14 ). Therefore, Jesus has two distinct natures. He is both God and man. As a man, it was necessary that he be born of a woman and therefore born under the Law ( Galatians 4:4 ). Since he was under the Law, he was obligated to love God and worship Him. It says in
Deuteronomy 6:5 that we are to love the Lord our God, and in Deuteronomy 6:13 we are told, "You shall fear only the Lord your God; and you shall worship Him, and swear by His name." So, Jesus had to obey the Law, and he had to worship God the Father. Therefore, we see that Jesus was a man who had to fulfill the law, which included worshiping God. But, because he is also the Son then he is the Son by relation to the Father. Now we can understand why the text would say "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Romans 15:6 , "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ."
1 Peter 1:3 , "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
So when we see the phrase "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," we can now understand that it's speaking of the Godhead and how Jesus, God in flesh, who was a man required to keep the Law, would have someone he would call God, someone he would worship and someone he would pray to according to Deuteronomy 6:13 , who would be considered the God and Father of Jesus.

Now my questions can't be answered with definite answers...lol!

Do unto others as you like them do unto you.

...Same measure pressed down shaken and running over..will also be used for you.

My questions were of yes or no answers
Either definite answers or forget all you wrote up there.

Perfectbeing:
Let's hear your doctrine then...

Who is Jesus?
Was he created?

If yes,
Was he created like the other angels or was he different from them?
Did he help God in the creation of other creations?
In John 1:3, It was said that ALL THINGS were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made (remember the Bible said ALL THINGS) .
Did the ALL THINGS included Himself (since you said he was created) or did the creation of the ALL THINGS started after he was created?
Explain
John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.

Hmmm, you some how don't see my questions but want yours to be answered.

Perfectbeing

use scriptures to explain scriptures.

If only you have been letting scripture to explain itself. This would have been a lot easier

John 20:27-28;
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas clearly called Jesus God. (G in uppercase) and he wasn't rebuked by Jesus but rather Jesus replied in verse 29, because you've seen you believe. Blesses is he who believe without seeing.
Jesus would have corrected him, if He wasn't God

This is laughable, like seriously.
OK yes! Thomas clearly called Jesus my Lord and my God

Cause if you use scriptures to explain scriptures you will see that it's no contradictions either.

But this Jesus that was called "my Lord and my God" does he have a God and Lord above him that he also worship?

Definite answer please

Perfectbeing:
The book of revelations is too lengthy in to explain. most times thrones was used figuratively in the Bible to signify authority.

I said most times not all the time.
king David throne throne in the Bible meant a literal throne..

Remember this king David's literal throne is meant to be forever inheritance of Christ.

Here are bible verses for reference
1 Chronicles 17:10-14
Luke 1:32-33
Isaiah 2:1-4
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:1-10
Isaiah 16:5
Isaiah 40:1-11
Isaiah 52:7-15
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Jeremiah 33:17-26
Daniel 2:44
Daniel 7:27
Micah 4:1-5
Micah 5:2-5
Zechariah 9:9

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

Perfectbeing:
you answered yourself in Matthew 26:64.
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Yes actually I am looking for any version that also made use of "authority" apart from "power" and other words.

That was why I asked...only two verses from kjv used power.

Perfectbeing

I am sure that even if Christ had said "I am Yahweh Himself and Yahweh is me and I mean this literarily and not figuratively" most of us here still won't have been able to understand what he's saying.

Yes and most of us here will still say he is 3 = 1

The sin of man really did blinded man from seeing or knowing God, that even when he came to us in flesh we still cannot recognize him.
Either that or it is English language that have problem with us..

Man made doctrine led us all to this point

upon all the sayings in the scriptures;
1.... the word was with God, and the word was God.

The word was with God (the father),and the Word was God(as well).

2.. I and the father are one.

Just as we all are one body in Christ Jesus.

3... if you see me you've seen the Father.

Still does not say "I Jesus I am the father"

4... Christ the image of God.

Image ,meaning the real thing is also there

5... By him and through him the world was created.

"By" "through", meaning there is still the original or main source.

6... His name shall be called immanuel, translating God with us.

Yes in the person of Christ.

7... His name shall be called wonderful.... Mighty God (uppercase G), everlasting Father (Isa 9:6)

Mighty God not Almighty God (for the record G or g does not make the word "God" have any greater or lesser meaning than what it means) don't confuse yourself with English, there was no uppercase or lowercase in the manuscripts. I already explained this using the word "Teacher" or "teacher" as an example.

8.... Before Me there was no God formed , Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Isaiah 43:10,11

But trinity made him into 3 in 1

9... To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Also you can use "through" which the father has redeemed mankind back to himself.

10...Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3 ; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things).

There is still another behind the making he is no other than the father

11.... therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God (even the Jews understood what he meant by Son of God. John 5:17,18

The question remains did Jesus made Himself equal to God his father?

12... He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:23.

'This authority have I received from my father' yes.. if you do not honour the servant sent by a king you do not honour the King himself.

13.... “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

"He" the anointed one, the messiah that is HE whom moses wrote about

I'd like you all to read John 8:24 from any translation you like..

Reading from verse 1 of that chapter 8 to the end will be better.

Hope somebody will not say I jumped verses..

But you where once guilty of that earlier. For a selfish reason may be.

There is but one truth tell it like it is.

Perfectbeing:
use scriptures to explain scriptures.

John 20:27-28;
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas clearly called Jesus God. (G in uppercase) and he wasn't rebuked by Jesus but rather Jesus replied in verse 29, because you've seen you believe. Blesses is he who believe without seeing.
Jesus would have corrected him, if He wasn't God

Definite answer(s) please

OneJ:
Shelumiel, the "Us" is some one ,the Bible called "the only begotten son of God (or only begotten god) who is at the Father's side". (John 1:14,18).
Jesus is not Almighty God himself.

Rather, the Almighty God was in a conversation with another person, evidently, His only begotten son, Jesus christ.
Gen3:22 " Jehovah (Yahweh) God then said " Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good & bad"

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God Almighty created the heavens & the earth"

John 1:3 ,10 " THROUGH him all things were made".... the world was made THROUGH him"
Heb1:1, 2 " In the past ,God spoke to our forefathers.... but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON (Jesus) whom HE (God Almighty) APPOINTED HEIR of all things, AND THROUGH whom HE (God Almighty) made the universe"

Jesus worked as "the craftsman" through whom (Yahweh ) Jehovah God, his Father, created the universe.

A craftsman built a mansion ,yes. But the original owner/financier actually built the mansion

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh ( Jehovah) produced me ("possessed me/ made me/ brought me forth" as the first (the beginning) of His works" ..... when HE marked out the foundation of the earth, I was the craftsman at his (Father's) side".


Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.


This is not rocket science.

shalom aleichem.

Well done, as comprehensive as this is, they will come and tell you that Jesus is Yahweh the father but in trinity Jesus is separate from the Father as well as the holy spirit. What a confuse doctrine. Smh!

OneJ:
Shelumiel, the "Us" is some one ,the Bible called "the only begotten son of God (or only begotten god) who is at the Father's side". (John 1:14,18).
Jesus is not Almighty God himself.

Rather, the Almighty God was in a conversation with another person, evidently, His only begotten son, Jesus christ.
Gen3:22 " Jehovah (Yahweh) God then said " Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good & bad"

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God Almighty created the heavens & the him all things were made".... the world was made THROUGH him"
Heb1:1, 2 " In the past ,God spoke to our forefathers.... but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON (Jesus) whom HE (God Almighty) APPOINTED HEIR of all things, AND THROUGH whom HE (God Almighty) made the universe"

Jesus worked as "the craftsman" through whom (Yahweh ) Jehovah God, his Father, created the universe.

A craftsman built a mansion ,yes. But the original owner/financier actually built the mansion

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh ( Jehovah) produced me ("possessed me/ made me/ brought me forth" as the first (the beginning) of His works" ..... when HE marked out the foundation of the earth, I was the craftsman at his (Father's) side".


Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.


This is not rocket science.

shalom aleichem.

Well done, as comprehensive as this is, they will come and tell you that Jesus is Yahweh the father but in trinity Jesus is separate from the Father as well as the holy spirit. What a confuse doctrine. Smh!

Perfectbeing:
And also lets try not to use insulting words here. We are all believers here. We're trying not to win an argument here but to explain what we understand on this topic of trinity.

I am here to reason together and to learn as well, if you or anyone turn it into a banta of insult I leave you to yourself.

And that is where Shelumiel is heading.

Shelumiel:
Puhahaha...you are still asking that dumb question ? Open to John 14:9 . Read it and weep. Lol...

No truth in you.

Shalom!

Perfectbeing:
No I can't show you any explicit verse where Jesus said he is God the father.

But I can show you John 1:1.
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
The word was God. This verse statement isn't figurative it. It is literal.
John 10:30; I and my father are one. Is not figurative. It is literal.

John 17:21-22
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

This should not be figurative to please, make sure not to read your man made doctrine into it.

Shelumiel:
Brother , your illusions are still getting the better of you. Must Jesus be called God categorically or verbatim before He is acknowledged as God ? So the Bible who calls Him God is wrong ,abi?Lol..but what about those who worshipped Him . Why did He not rebuke them? I know you not answer because you folly is entrenched in confusion .

All your questions above has been answered by me at bold. Please don't pretend I did not. In the previous pages.

Jesus was called God in the Bible FYI. Hebrews 1:8
John 1:1

I want you to show me where he claimed to be God the Father/Yahweh as you earlier stated in the Bible.

Perfectbeing:
You said God ba?
But John 1:3 says, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
All things were made by him (Christ). If you say God made the world doesn't it mean we're saying about the same thing. That Jesus and God are one.?

I gave you my answer with clear explanation but you asked for definite answer. And I also provided but you on the other hand is replying with indefinite answers if I may ask.

Jesus and God the father are one in what sense here?

Your answer will show how your trinity doctrine makes you speak from both sides of your mouth.

Does Jesus have a God?
Did Jesus prayed to and worshipped God?
Is Jesus equal to the Father he prayed to?
Is the Father he prayed to Greater than Jesus?

Please I need definite answers as well.

Perfectbeing:
You said God ba?
But John 1:3 says, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
All things were made by him (Christ). If you say God made the world doesn't it mean we're saying about the same thing. That Jesus and God are one.?

I gave you my answer with clear explanation but you asked for definite answer. And I also provided but you on the other hand is replying with indefinite answers if I may ask.

Jesus and God the father are one in what sense here?

Your answer will show how your trinity doctrine makes you speak from both sides of your mouth.

Does Jesus have a God?
Did Jesus prayed to and worshipped God?
Is Jesus equal to the Father he prayed to?
Is the Father he prayed to Greater than Jesus?

Please I need definite answer as well.

Shelumiel:
Get this straight : there is nowhere in scripture , where the word Trinity is mentioned ; but can we deny the concept there ? No ! But back to your question : Genesis 1 :1-5 gives us detail of who the "Us" is . In Genesis 1:1, we are told of a God. In verse 2, there is a Spirit hovering over the face of the waters .In verse 3, God is using a voice to create; this voice is the Word of God (Jesus) .These three are what the Bible referred to as the "US" or in Hebrew, Elohim(which is plural for God ).

Ok...but Shelumiel says God the father/Yahweh is in fact Jesus the word so how does trinity ended up with 3 distinct different persons as one?

Perfectbeing:
I think one major problem we Christian have is that we don't know the difference between a figurative statement and a literal statement.

Christ sitting on the right hand of God is a figurative statement and not a literal one. There's no chair in heaven that God or Christ is sitting on. Just like when you say President buhari is sitting in Aso Rock. It doesn't mean he's is literally sitting in Aso rock. It means he's sitting in a place of authority as the president of Nigeria. Christ on he right hand of God that Christ sits on a place of authority.

Believe me, I don't know it all. In as much as I teach what I know, I am also open to learn from others too.

But don't forget that throne(s) were also mention in heaven in the book of Revelations.

The scripture must agree in it entirety as well.

Perfectbeing:
Great.

I wouldn't call myself a trinitarian per say. I'm a believer of Christ. And that's what I know..

And your illustration with using hammer to smash to mirror is flawed cos Christ cannot be separated from God.

Not helping....

Trinity says they are separate that is father, Son and Holy spirit different from the other but as one

And you have not said anything about the holy spirit yet?

bloodofthelamb:
Right hand means the place of authority and power.

The Father is not a physical Being that someone can sit at his right hand. Like I said, we will only see JESUS CHRIST. In Him the Father dwells and will dwell forever.

Act 7:55-56 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and[b] set him at his own right hand[/b] in the heavenly places,

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Hebrew 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Do you have any version that used power or authority? I am presently using kjv

Though I know the father is not a physical entity. Just for more clarity

Thanks!

Perfectbeing:
sorry sir, maybe next time I'll write the whole of Genesis to revelation so I don't have to jump verse..

Hahahaha...you don't need to, but it seems your fallacy was detected quick.

Can you show me any explicit verse where Jesus said he is God the Father?

But at least I have shown you where he identify himself as Son of God.

That is a head start.

Perfectbeing:
I want you to give me a definite answer. Who created the world?

OK fine.

God

Genesis 1:1

You must also answer my questions with definite answers too.

Perfectbeing:
John 10:27 & 28; My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

In verse 29, Christ then said something about God. let's see what he said. 29. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all
; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

And then in verse 30 he cleared the doubts of the Pharisee and some on us here. Here's what He said. 30. I and my father are one.

After he said that the Pharisees picked up stones to stone him. They clearly understand what he meant. They even said it in verse 33. "we're not stoning you for any of these.. but for blasphemy. And they went ahead to say what the blasphemy was in the same verse 33. "because you a mere man, claim to be God.
If Jesus wasn't God, he would have rebuked them and explained what he meant but he said in verse 38... that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am I the Father.

Well done, but I see that you choose to jump verse 36 where he exclusively said "because I said I am the Son of God" and not "because I said I am God the father"

Stop misinterpreting Christ words like the Jews.

Perfectbeing:
From what I've noticed, the problem is not that we have problem with English language. The problem is that, it is English language that have problem with us.

Follow me.

col 1:15; Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
Look into your mirror. What do you see? Your image I guess. The above verse tells us that Christ is the image of the invisible God.
Now you're still looking at your image in the mirror, try performing any action like raising your hands, turning your back etc. How does your image react? It does exactly the same action you carried out right? That's what the Bible is trying to explain but we've all too understand English that we can't comprehend simply English. Anything that Go do is what Christ does. He is the image of God. God is invisible Christ is the image of this invisible Divine Being. Doesn't that tells you that Christ is God. The next verse will explain things clearer.

Heb 1:3; The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Here it says Christ is the exact representation of His being (exactly as God both in character and power) carrying all His (God's) glory (power)
If we remember clearly, the Bible says God will never share his glory with anybody. But here it says Christ carries God's glory. How is that possible if Christ isn't God.

The most powerful verse I can show to support my claim is;

1 Tim 3:16; And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Christ is God manifested in the flesh... seen of angels.
For the first time since their creation angels saw this invisible God when Christ was born. They've only felt his presence and seen his glory. They've never seen Him in person. That's why there were great multitude of angels to behold His birth in the manger . They came to witness the presence of God and they rejoiced greatly..
The angels, who beheld this amazing scene of God manifest in the flesh, were the first publishers to man the most important event they've ever witnessed.

Nice analogy with the mirror and image. Now if I use a hammer to smash the image in the mirror what will happen? The image in the mirror crumbles down to the ground but the real person stand perfectly ok because he is the real thing.

Also don't forget the Trinity doctrine says father is separate person from the Son and son is separate person from the holy spirit, same way the holy spirit is separate person from the Father and the Son .

The conversation has been about the identity of the father and son since. Triniterians are yet to incorporate the holy spirit in their 3 in one doctrine.

May be you can help out.

bloodofthelamb:
God is an invisible being made manifest physically in Jesus Christ. In heaven you won't see God and the see Jesus Christ sitting at his side. What you will see is Jesus Christ only on the throne.

It pleases the invisible and blessed Father to dwell wholly in Christ Jesus who is his Word made flesh.

You right, But the bible also said Christ is sitting at the right hand of power/God.