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vedaxcool: ^^^

Walahi You are not making any sense, go learn how to make simple rational arguments. That is what you need, all this expression of your ineptitude with regards to making coherent points is not portraying you in good light, do the world of atheism a favour by knowing how to make logical points and accepting the wrongness of your flawed thinking! BTW when whoever claimed the man didn't suffer? You see what I mean about making Logical points?

Simple rational argument; Why would a good and omnipotent God allow unjust suffering?

I never said that you claimed that the cripple man didnt suffer! Read my comment again and notice the use of the word "if"

vedaxcool: ^^^^^

What objective people do and rational people do is to address issues specifically, when a thread address a specific issue you simple address that issue not just popping up one allegation after the other finding which one will eventually stick, you atheist need to learn the basics of rational arguments and coherent discussion not just writing slavery because you lost an argument in a desperate bid to save face!

Save face? Your God did not cure a cripple man who was faithful for 65 years. Who needs to save face between me, you and your God?


God does not stop suffering. That is the point that I am making. God did not stop the suffering of the crawling cripple man and neither did he stop slavery.


I brought up slavery as a reference to suffering.

If you think the cripple man was not suffering, try crawling for just 5 metres once everyday.

vedaxcool: ^^^

I am asking for factual statistics to know each of your claims are supported by number, surveys etc, not just dreams or articles written by people that do not want it. Picking one or two persons to support your point is engaging in grave fallacy what if supporters point to 3 persons whose marriage (polygamous) is smooth sailing?

Scientific journals contain surveys, observations and facts. The first link shows different scientific journals on polygamy. Read their conclusions/summaries on the effects of polygamy and you will weep for polygamy.

Regarding slavery, I will always bring it up because slavery is how Islam and christianity came to Nigeria. A fact that many religious people like to bury their head in the sand against.

My fellow black west africans were sold as slaves by Arab muslims and turned into Eunuchs. Slavery is still theoretically possible in Sharia law and Slavery is not haraam in the Quran.


Yes, Vedaxcool, I will always bring up slavery. Deal with it. You religion did

vedaxcool: Any time you loose an argument you beginning writing slavery, slavery, slavery . . . I wish u good luck in being dishonest to yourself, comparing oranges and Apple does not work anywhere! the logical fallacy is very evident from the fact that the inquisition issue is not the same with one man's experience and steadfastness in his predicament. Allah enjoins mankind to be kind and just with one another when man decides to transgress the bounds set by Allah then we always see the result that is why there is a day of judgement and recompense, if this lesson is lost to you then lost indeed are you!

you can read what happens when your atheist buddies go mad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-clericalism

lolololol.


Explain how I lost the argument. You cant even answer simple questions that I asked.


As for anti-clericalism, it shows that you know little about christianity. It has more to do with christianity than atheism.

vedaxcool: How objective is your critique? where is your survey? how many woman have complained to you? ehh! oga logic? are you making your allegations based on evidence or just based on some dreams you imagined?

Do you need evidence to know that water is wet? Do you need evidence as a Nigerian, to know that polygamous wives fight among each other for inheriances, resources and time with husbands? Do you really need evidence to know that children in polygamous homes can suffer from neglect? Can you state that you dont know MKO Abiola and the problems of his polygamous family after his death?

However, here are articles and journals backing up my claims;


http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=effects+of+polygamy+on+children&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=wsj2T8qdE4j18QPYkPGwBw&ved=0CFMQgQMwAA

http://www.wluml.org/node/6513


http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/MurUEJL/2005/2.html

vedaxcool: "logic"boy what I wrote is clear repeating your questions in a different way does not portray you as one being objective!

No, you are avoiding the question. Avoiding the questions in different ways does not portray you as one being objective.


What kind of God allows slavery and torture?

You wouldnt say that it is God's will if I capture and torture your family to death. Why would you say it for others? Why would you say it is God's will for the crippled man? Why shouldnt your whole family be crippled then? Why is it always God's will for others suffering but you will never, never want to believe that it should happen to you!

vedaxcool: Talk about loss of priorities, one bothering himself over tomatoes instead of being ashamed of having been exposed as dishonest and his herectical oops! boss letting him down . . . makes no sense except ofcourse tomatoes is what you shias used to calm your frayed nerves when you have been thoroughly refuted!

Just like I said, why is LagosShia still here when his daddy Khoemeni has been exposed

maclatunji: Your claims are not worth much to me. Hence, refuting them is extremely low on my list of priorities. You fail to realize that the UK government will turn a blind eye to polygamy as long as your marriages are not held in Church or court especially for Muslims. They cannot afford an extended conflict with the significant Muslim minority.

Marriage is complex and is no different with polygamy. Visit the family section for tales of woe from monogomous marriages. There's no competition between monogamy /polygamy. They are both valid and have advantages and disadvantages. Get used to it.

Polygamy is illegal in the UK. The UK doesnt turn a blind eye to polygamy. Polygamous marriages are void and your second or third wife is not entitled to any state benefits that would be given to a recognized wife in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9029807/Ministers-ban-extra-benefits-for-multiple-wives.html



Marriage is complex, polygamy just makes it more complex.

vedaxcool: duuude! no one can account for Allah's decision in this respect, the same way for examaple of i prayed for a contract that would assist greatly and at the end of the day i did not get, if you ask why did not Allah give me the contract despite my prayers, i will say I don't know, maybe he is testing me, maybe my condition is best for me not having the contract, etc. In this case it could just about anything, the Muslim mindset like thaba indicated earlier should converge with this verse



We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast, those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’These will be given blessings and mercy from their Lord, and it is they who are rightly guided. (Surah 2:155-157)

Every Muslim face one trial or the other, our faith enables us remain steadfast!

During christian inquisition, many muslims were taken as slaves, some tortured. Were those muslims on trial from God? Do you know what it is to be tortured? What kind of god would allow such a fate to a person?

https://www.specialx.net/specialxdotnet/crucified_images/judaschair3inquisition3.jpg



https://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a368_Saw.jpg

logicboy: 3) Blasphemy laws;[/b] This is the best motivation to troll. Being a troll sometimes myself, (Yes, I am not ashamed of my addiction to derailing religious threads, especially christian ones), I can tell you that there is ultimate satisfaction when a religious person whines like a crybaby when their religion is criticized. You can not legislate the internet and free speech (No, hate speech against islam is not free speech). You can not have blasphemy laws to punish people for insulting Allah because;

a) Allah is not a human being. He has no human rights
b) You will have the problem of defining what constitutes an insult against allah; as an atheist, are you going to arrest me for saying "Allah doesnt exist" or arrest christian for saying "Jesus is the ONLY real God"
c) Criticism and asking questions is neccesary for the development of human beings
d) Silencing people with genuine intentions will cause anger and retaliation because they will feel cheated. "Draw Muhammad Day" started because of the banning of the south park episode with Muhammad. In America, comedy doesnt really have much limits and can make fun of anyone.
e) Many countries dont have blasphemy laws and the internet is global. Therefore, your religion can be insulted from another country with the troll protected by his country's law.

However, please note that I support fair criticism and not hate speech aginst muslim. I am not supporting statements like "All muslims are terrorists" or "Muhammed is a rapist" etc I support fair criticism. For example; this is how I trolled my muslim girlfriend- "how do you stop fasting during ramadan if you're in a country that doesnt have sunset because of midnight sun"
[b]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mQZ45dliD4

LagosShia: Mac and his son are fighting.

@OP

dont u think such threads would give atheists and their religion a bad image?

To answer your question, atheism is not a religion and secondly threads like this do not give atheists a bad name.

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Why is it that you did not refute any of my points against polygamy? [/size]

maclatunji: The greatest challenge with interacting with you is that you are so delusional. The article I posted indicates that there are more than enough women who are willing to be second wives, call the Mail any name you want but the fact remains that it is a newspaper and the news is consistent with reality that you myopically fail to see. Polygamy works for some people and that is irrefutable. You are not the first to say the things you are saying or do the things you are doing neither will you be the last. It will not change Islam from being Islam or Muslims from being Muslims.

Who has the time to teach someone who doesn't know much but feels the opposite? Good Night child.

1) Would you then accept any anti-islamic news from the daily mail then? Lest you forget, it is a Western newspaper.

2) Polygamy works (is legal) only in backwards countries. It is perfect for dependent women and *##### men

3) Islam is changing. Western muslims accept gays and marry non-muslims.


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maclatunji: ^LOL, so you can dispute sources? Now, what does that say about you and this thread? What field research have you carried out to back your claims?

Name any claim you doubt. Feel free and I will show evidence. There are already proper articles and journals showing the problems of polygamy. Most of these things are ven common sense, I didnt think that it was necessary to put evidence that polygamous wives fight over inheritance/resources or that polygamous children are at a disadvantage in parenting because of the shred nature.


Feel free to state any of my claims you doubt. I will pwn you as usual. Why dont you refute the claims? No, because you have noting, your best reply was to sidetrack with a trash tabloid making baseless claims.



Maryam Namazie, an ex-muslim was right about arguing with some particular muslims. No direct answer;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKv9vbJvGkg

vedaxcool: The story is heart wrenching, whenever I read stuffs like these I thank Allah for the comfort I enjoy but do not deserve, only out of his mercy did he make such comforts mine to enjoy!

Logicboy pride and arrogance will certainly ruin man whether in this world or in the hereafter.the devil must have asked the man the same question u are perpetually yapping! Have u even wondered why he kept on struggling all the way to the mosque 5 times a day? Indeed Allah does not guide the arrogant! One thing u atheist have in common with shaytan is pride and arrogance! Learn to humble yourself!

1)@ the bold part; You thank Allah for not making you a cripple. So what about the cripple? God prefers yo to the cripple? The cripple did not get God's mercy?

2) There is no pride. Simple question; why did God not heal a faithful man who was cripple?

How does one know prayer times in a foreign country with no internet? There are places in the UK without mosques or muezzin

LagosShia: ^

you need to mind your business.you have said before you like drailing religion threads.there are threads started for Muslims and others for Muslims-Christians,some for Muslims-Atheists and others for Shia-Sunni.

you are free to open your own threads and discuss.but you dont have to poke your nose into every thread that is even not meant for you or for you to understand.sometimes it pays to mind your business.i am sure tbaba opened this threads for Muslims and religious people who appreciate submission to God,and thank God for the two legs they have while someone who has none is doing his best to worship God.

Sharaap.


Unless Tbaba is complaining, there is no need for you to complain.


BTW; why didnt God heal the faithful cripple?

LagosShia: it is even more sad when persecution is coupled with poverty and weakness.the world keep going round as if nothing is happening in burma.it is so sad.if these were the so called "islamists" killing and wasting lives,the entire world would have used it to further demonize and tarnish the image of Muslims.but now we have the "spiritual" and "good" buddhists people who are wasting human life like beasts.

People like you harden my heart. Why dont you focus on the innocent christians killed by Boko Haram.


Yes, Burma is deadly place and it is wrong. But your country is facing something similar. Have you made a thread to pray fothe christians killed by Boko Haram? If not, you are a hypo......

maclatunji: What do we have here? A campaign of calumny against what God has made permissible? It is better we evened things out for Polygamy is a very useful tool for social cohesion and balance if practiced according to the laws of God. Now, don't take my word for it, read this instead.

High-flying Muslim career women willing to 'share husbands' because of a lack of suitable men

By Daily Mail Reporter

Muslim career women in Britain are choosing to become involved in polygamous relationships because of a lack of suitable men.

Some of them even choosing to become second or third wives to married men, according to the Islamic Sharia Council.

The charity, based in Britain, gives legal guidance to Muslims and has said it is receiving a high number of queries from women struggling to find suitable partners.


'The Muslim community is struggling with this, how do you cope with women who wear trousers?'

He said that many Muslim men just wanted a 'homemaker' and to come home to a clean house and a plate of food on the table.

He added the men didn't want the 'headache' of being in a relationship with a professional woman.

It is thought the Muslim women are also actively seeking out married men because they do not want the hassle of having to cook for their husbands after a hard day at work and are quite happy to have part-time relationships.

One woman who spoke to the Sunday Times, and asked not to be named, had an affair with a married man after divorcing her first husband.

When he offered to leave his wife she preferred to become his second wife because she did not want him 'under her shoes 24/7'.

It is thought about 12,000 brides are brought to the UK by Muslim men.

The decline in available husbands has become such a problem it is now referred to as the 'Muslim spinster crisis'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113366/Muslim-women-share-husbands-lack-suitable-men.html#ixzz1zkQKmFOH

What? You mean highly educated and successful Muslim women are actually going out of their way to become second and third wives even when it is "illegal" in the United Kingdom to do so? Wow! Geez! Creepers! Wowzers! We just might have something here.

lololololololololololol. You believe the daily mail? Everyone in the UK knows that it is trash. Tabloid trash.

1) Polygamy is illegal in the UK
2 There was no study no hard statistics backing up the claims in the article. Just one random muslim matchmaker making claims

maclatunji: What do we have here? A campaign of calumny against what God has made permissible? It is better we evened things out for Polygamy is a very useful tool for social cohesion and balance if practiced according to the laws of God. Now, don't take my word for it, read this instead.

High-flying Muslim career women willing to 'share husbands' because of a lack of suitable men

By Daily Mail Reporter

Muslim career women in Britain are choosing to become involved in polygamous relationships because of a lack of suitable men.

Some of them even choosing to become second or third wives to married men, according to the Islamic Sharia Council.

The charity, based in Britain, gives legal guidance to Muslims and has said it is receiving a high number of queries from women struggling to find suitable partners.


'The Muslim community is struggling with this, how do you cope with women who wear trousers?'

He said that many Muslim men just wanted a 'homemaker' and to come home to a clean house and a plate of food on the table.

He added the men didn't want the 'headache' of being in a relationship with a professional woman.

It is thought the Muslim women are also actively seeking out married men because they do not want the hassle of having to cook for their husbands after a hard day at work and are quite happy to have part-time relationships.

One woman who spoke to the Sunday Times, and asked not to be named, had an affair with a married man after divorcing her first husband.

When he offered to leave his wife she preferred to become his second wife because she did not want him 'under her shoes 24/7'.

It is thought about 12,000 brides are brought to the UK by Muslim men.

The decline in available husbands has become such a problem it is now referred to as the 'Muslim spinster crisis'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113366/Muslim-women-share-husbands-lack-suitable-men.html#ixzz1zkQKmFOH

What? You mean highly educated and successful Muslim women are actually going out of their way to become second and third wives even when it is "illegal" in the United Kingdom to do so? Wow! Geez! Creepers! Wowzers! We just might have something here.

lololololololololololol. You believe the daily mail? Everyone in the UK knows that it is trash. Tabloid trash.

1) Polygamy is illegal in the UK
2 There was no study no hard statistics backing up the claims in the article. Just one random muslim matchmaker making claims

Indonesian women reject polygamy;
http://theimpudentobserver.com/world-news/indonesia-muslim-women-reject-polygamy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6GqzQeA2E

How does a poor muslim in the desert know where to face to pray?

vedaxcool: Btw,mcdaddy alias cheers alias "logic" boy is that you? If so u are being plain ridiculous to claim being exposed when u have been part and parcel of this thread and having agreed more than any on points made. Well guess u might change ur username millions of times it happens that it never changes who u actually are . . .

Of course, I am logicboy.

lol........it is just funny the way you and LagosShia are battling it out


LagosShia has little shame though, I would have quietly escaped before my main man (Khoemeni) was exposed for his heresy, if I were him.



I had to like your comment though, I have never seen LagosShia taking so much pummeling

This is good. 2 different sects of muslims washing their dirty laundry in public. An innocent bystander would be of the view that sex with underage girls is a big issue in Islam

LagosShia: Sheikh Ahmed Deedat (Sunni,and Islam-Christianity Comparative Religion Preacher) in Praise of Iran


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7uUtGGonUY

Do you have any Western non-muslim friend at all? Do you think we take Ahmed Deedat seriously, despite his speaking abilities?

maclatunji: Hmmm..., Logicboy, you are quite close to getting banned again. However, on this thread there is very little evidence to ban you with apart from the fact that you are not Muslim. I just want you to curb yourself.

Calm down. Big MAC.

LagosShia: lol

i don't know why some people can ridiculously be obessessed with any Islam to such ridiculous extent

Hypocrisy in excess!


LagosShia is one of the most prolific posters on the Islam section, yet has the nerve to call someone else "ridiculously obsessed with Islam".


This is too funny!

How does a poor woman with only on set of burkha manage when she washes her only burkha?

Conundrum

LagosShia: Minister Stresses Iran's Respect for All Religious Minorities

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Culture and Islamic Guidance Minister Seyed Mohammad Hosseini underlined the Islamic Republic's respect and support for the rights of all religious minorities living in Iran.

Hosseini referred to the rights of religious minorities in Iran, and added that in Iran, the religious minorities have representatives at the parliament.

He further underlined that commonalties of different religions should be identified and introduced.

Hosseini made the remarks in a meeting with followers of monotheist religions in Tehran on Saturday night, stressing that the amicable and cordial relations among the followers of monotheistic religions in Islamic Iran is one of the honors of the sacred Islamic Republic.

In relevant remarks in 2010, Vice-Speaker of the Iranian Parliament Mohammad Hassan Aboutorabi Fard had also reiterated the Islamic Republic's respect for religious minorities, and said that minorities in Iran enjoy the same rights that Muslims have even in legislating laws for the country.

"Representatives of the religious minorities enjoy equal rights with other lawmakers in the Islamic Consultative Assembly (parliament) in Iran," Aboutorabi Fard said in a meeting here in Tehran at the time with the Patriarch Cardinal of the Chaldean and Assyrian Catholic Church of Iraq.

He said that based on Islamic guidelines, all religious minorities in Iran are free to observe their religious duties, and they also enjoy the right to choose their own favorite MPs from among their own religious brethrens.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010175364

LMAO. So, what about the mistreatment of christians in Iran that is popular knowledge? Are you just going to ignore that? Where muslim apostates who become christians are threatened and some arrested from their homes?



How can there be religious freedom or diversity or tolerance when the law of the land is based on only one religion? The Christian or Jewish MP's in Iran are a big joke. They can not go on
TV or on Billboards and express their faiths and neither can their fellow non-muslims do that in Iran.

As you can see from the comments, no one believes you propaganda