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davidylan: Ridiculous.

Again the fallacy of automatically assuming that an atheist must needs be a "deep thinker".

ghostofsparta: I have watched this video befor and when I did I felt sorry for all black muslims in Africa specially in Yorubaland..I remembered someone who told me after taking time to explain the flaws and deceptions in Islam to a 11 year old muslim somewhere in Oyo, he said the brainwashed boy broke into tears crying in arabic 'blasphemy against the prophet'....he said if that happened in the north, he's done for.

noetic16: 1.What is the scientific explanation for humans having dreams about future events in graphic details such that the components of the dream had not been encountered by the human, up until the time of the dream and its subsequent manifestation in reality? Hiding your ignorance behind science is quite dumb. One phenomenal fact that we are incapable of assimilating is the ability of dreams to come to reality, on its own it serves as no evidence for anything, but it buttresses the notion that there is a place or realm that is beyond the present limitations of our material world. This realm is a very strong evidence for the existence of God. Hence, I agree with the OP that the essence of dreams attaining reality is a valid argument or evidence for the existence of God.

2. Do you any scientific explanation for Deja vu feelings? To add to the OP, perhaps you should relate the context of deja vu to destiny. Destiny presupposes human limitations in many facets of life including where, how and when we are born and also many other events that happen to us in life. Thus IMO, deja vu is a spiritual phenomenum that correlates with a spiritual realm, hence, a valid submission for the existence of God.

3. Honestly, religious aside, how can you not be fascinated with the universe and the beauty of our existence? What are the chances that humans who have only lived a few decades would have answers to potent question with regards to the origins of the universe? Why do you think that this piece of intelligence could not have been the product of a super-intelligent being?

4. I agree with the OP's argument here, you have not said anything worth pondering over that counters this argument.

5. Have you got any explanation for the origin of life?

MacDaddy01: "Before something can change, before something can act or be acted upon, it must exist."


Cause and effect does not apply to existence or the beginning of existence. Whatever caused the universe into existence has to exist itself and therefore it is a part of existence- paradox.

MacDaddy01: "Before something can change, before something can act or be acted upon, it must exist."


Cause and effect does not apply to existence or the beginning of existence. Whatever caused the universe into existence has to exist itself and therefore it is a part of existence- paradox.

tintingz: lol, se u need wives ni, having 4 wives is now a crime? Forget about 4 wives dis not a wive topic, and i dnt care if u have blood on ur hands na u sabi, let talk abt ur atheism and ur early monkey men

Ihedinobi: Guy, wetin? U for read my posts ni before u jump to conclusions na. Na wa o. Seriously, wetin concern me concern whether u believe say God de or u no believe am?
I just hate that anybody should feel obliged to force their belief/unbelief down any other person's throat. But nonetheless, what the hell? This thread isn't working sha. It seems that to stay on it, I have to bandy insults too. Not my thing.

davidylan: I was wondering when everyone would come to such a glaring conclusion. It is one thing to be debating atheism with the likes of KAG, mazaje or even thehomer. To be arguing such issues with children like logicboy/macdaddy is a waste of time.

FXKing2012: All the so-called atheists are nowhere to be found, they are distraught by my arguments and they know they cant argue against my "5 pillars of spirituality". I've always known they are not as intelligent as they pretend to be, they are just a bunch of confused wannabes.

Ptolomeus: Yes, will be necessary to call 911 ...
If Jesus comes, pastors robbers flee to avoid detection, the illiterate and religious fanatics (as Ayomivic) will commit suicide when they realize that they have lived all his life deceived into believing something that was not nothing but chicken sh1t.
But you do not fear, Jesus died like a pig hanging in a slaughterhouse. Not return, because it was a weak God, who died in a humiliating way.

toba: OMG.

logicboy needs our prayers

Deep Sight: O we know that -



https://www.nairaland.com/330936/questions-all-athiests#4642668

What I was addressing is the ridiculous statement that deism is merely atheism without conviction.

FXKing2012: Your grandmother was a pagan does not make our forefathers pagans, ok! Our forefathers in Africa were deeply rooted in traditional beliefs which they started and established by themselves, and were wildly practised - I wonder the research that told u our forefathers were pagans.

alexleo: Athesists can be summarised as a bunch of lazy christians who rather than prove God in their lives as individuals relied on being spoonfed by their pastors.

Deep Sight: Deism (i/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/[1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/) is a religious philosophy which holds that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of a creator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Got it?

Ayomivic: Point of correction. My ancentors were not slaves,nobody enslave them.We don't have such record in my family.If they were enslaved ,i wil not be in Nigeria. I would have been in the country they were taken to .[size=18pt]If you say some of african ancentors were taken as slaves, that one is acceptable.[/size]
My ancentors were not compelled into Christianity.They did it willingly because they knew that nothing good comes from Satan.
You too said it in your post that some of those that were taken as slave took their african pagansim to American and they survived.If they were forced would they survive? those that were enslaves have free will to practice paganism not to say of those that were not enslave.

Did i read that?You,educate. You usually educate or you usually mislead people?Oh ! You don't know yourself.Let me tell you whom you are.You are ANTI-CHRIST,working for your master.

Deep Sight: Abeg go refund ya school fees.

Lagosboy: The fact that our fore fathers practised something doesnt make it right i guess.

Our fore fathers practised a whole range of things and sacrificed humans, virgin girls slaves and a range of traditional things. Do that today and you will rot in jail. Time has moved on and there is nothing foreign in religion. Chrisitianity isnt a thing of the west as the first followers of christ were jews and in the middle east.
why do we accept science and practicse science i guess that is foreign to africa as well, why do we use hospitals, live in modern houses and not huts etc .

Deep Sight: Please do not put the two bolded words in the same sentence again.

FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.
With that cleared, let me give you the 5 arguments that killed atheism:

FXKing2012: 4) Cause and Effect: For every cause there is definitely an effect. If there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced, something (or someone) must have caused it - it couldnt have all happened out of nothing.

5) Life on Earth: Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object, so where do u think life came from? There is definitely someone out there who gave life to the first life.

Deep Sight: o SHAT AP again there.

Got nothing to prove to any dodos around here please.

Deep Sight: O shat ap.

Deep Sight: Your magnificent brain.

ghostofsparta: SLAM DUNK!


Note that most Nigerian religionists don't understand what is meant by 'burden of proof'...anyway am feeling ya....just ride on.

@aleth
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I see your futile attempt to derail this topic by making a issue out of the £1,000 thing.

Delafruita: the fact that you dont believe in them tells me you dont know about them.like i said earlier,i try to be conversant with different religions and i have had the fortune of working on a contract with the NTDC which required visiting every potential tourist site in the southwest.i visited almost every shrine in the southwest and i can tell you there is compelling evidence for these gods.i must state that i am not a believer in them but the adherrents of those faiths are just as dogged in defending their gods as christians and muslims.
just take a visit to the palace of the ooni of ife,or the ataoja of osogbo or even the oba of lagos.its possible you might not be allowed access into some areas but fortunately for me and my team,our NTDC tags got us into almost every part of those palaces and what we saw was bewildering.some attribute it to blackmagic,some to demons or even lucifer.

ghostofsparta: What makes you presume these confused Nigerian religionists understand the meaning of 'creationism'?

A lot here are Quaran/Bible-believing slaves. Most here don't read any thing apart from Bible,Qran, Dean Koontz, Mills & Boon, etc .....all they do is watch AfricaMagic, MTV Base, MTN project fame, Superstory, Big Brother Africa, eat, fornicate, peddle gossip and go to church and mosque to exhibit what I consider as a twisted sense of self-righteousness, forgiveness of weekly misdeeds and sins and fashion/wealth show off.....bunch of hypocrites....they know they can't try all that with ascetic pagan belief system.

ghostofsparta: I very much understand that you are referring to The semitic God and as so would you as a African atheist also think African deities such as Shango or Ogun doesn't exist too. By existence I don't imply a sentient, conscious, tangible god/entity but by evidence of the supernatural effect that can be observed whenever they are applied or activated. For instance...if one swear an oath under Ayilala or Shopona or Ogun and later betrays the condition that binds such oath.....something inexplicable happen.

Ihedinobi: I don't mind the dismissing attitude, I'm quite inured to it, I assure you. But you've dialled the debate further back. I was going to say that a negative does have to be defended, but there's no need to go there. Instead let me build a case for the existence of God and you can prove out the truthfulness of atheism's position by tearing it down successfully. I hope you can buy that.
Since I'm playing devil's advocate, my first proof for God's existence would be creation. As far as common sense and science can go, things cannot just spontaneously be. Their origin, as far as observation can go, has always been outside of themselves. Someone or something must make things for them to be. Hence there is a God. This God must of necessity be apart from the things He/She/It creates and therefore must be to us inscrutable and impossible to be known. If He (just picking one pronoun to help typing) cannot be known, we certainly cannot know or understand His origin. Therefore questions as to His person or character or origin cannot disprove His existence.
What say you?

alexleo: and does it mean that he hasnt banned any christian for misconduct? In any case, i think we should all play by the rules.

Ihedinobi: Logicboy, does my argument calculate wrong? Have you never played devil's advocate? I'm not for this belief or that belief. Whether I personally believe in God or not is not part of my argument. You base your arguments on reason and I call them into question on the same basis. I'd do the same to any rabid "christian" or moslem. Why? Because I don't believe that our beliefs are ultimate. They are subjective. They vary according to our peculiar psychological make-up and our development as we go through life. But it makes no sense to me to disavow an ultimate, because there'd be no reason at all or anything else without it. My whole point is: if u will throw stones, build a brick house. If you'll condemn other religions and chastise their adherents because they are unreasonable, then you must first prove your own stand to be reasonable.
I make incontrovertibly clear once again that I do not choose to defend any religion, especially as I subscribe to none. I do not hold truck with things that have proven injurious, but if anyone will take issue with anyone else for some perceived failure or other, they must prove their worthiness to be judge.
You are very welcome to your atheism, but I do not agree that we should all bow to it if it has fundamental failures in it.
If you're ok with it then, tell me what proof you do have that God does not exist. That is your assertion and it is only right and proper that you defend it like Zuby77 did. When I make one, I am prepared to bear the burden of proof as well.
If you like, you could call this an exercise of intellect. It doesn't have to become a personal battle of any sort. I like the fact that you're a questioner, if I didn't, I wouldn't even speak to you. So pls, let's just have a fun debate. I'm not gonna try to make you believe anything and you won't find it easy to make me believe anything either