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Ptolomeus: Hello dear friend (and all other friends of the forum)

The forum discussed, (one might say that at times we fight). I had heated discussions with some colleagues, and then both ended up feeling a mutual affection.
Religious themes polarize us all ... but behind every person there is a bias human someone is in the success or failure, expressed his thought.
I want this beautiful message from you, will make everyone think that makes us think differently not good nor bad, just different.
Your experience was very beautiful ... although I live thousands of miles of Nairaland, I wish with all my heart personally meet my friends, and also to those with whom I have discussed heavily.
I know all of them are honest, but we think differently about religion.
Let us express our ideas, but we avoid the desalting.
We must respect
My tribute here first for my friends on the forum, but also for those with whom I have discussed strongly;
Olaadegbu, Frosbel .. to all my affection.
Mac Daddy: congratulations for the thread ... and for the great pose, which hopefully will be understood by all.

Gracias!


we are all humans at the end of the day

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Hmmm..........some people have been gossiping about me behind my back eh? lol



Anyway, about macdaddy/logicboy, I'll say one thing. the dude is actually quite intelligent. Unfortuately, we didn't really have a debate per se, we just had a bunch of random arguments. . . .and didn't really participate in the actual debate we came to attend.
To be honest, logicboy didn't look or sound much different in person than I had expected. At first sight, he looks relatively young for his age (or rather what I suspect is his age).
For some reason, I got the feeling that he was somewhat surprised to meet me and this feeling lingered even up until the point when we parted ways (or maybe it's just me).

Anyway all in all, we had a good time. (we got along so well that someone actually thought we were a gay couple....lol, ok that's not what really happened but someone actually asked us "are you together?" go figure )

Dude don't worry, I don't know when next I'll be in London (probably sometime next year) I'll look you up.

Yeah, thanks for your advice, it is well noted. . .but then note also that truth is not necessarily in who talks faster and louder. The rapid quickfire approach is really only useful for bullying and brute-force debates....I get what you mean though.[/quote]No probs.

MyJoe: This got me laughing out loud.

I think he would be wearing an Alexander Amosu suit and a bowler hat, carrying a crocodile skin walking stick and puffing at a cigar. He’d probably be carrying .45 inside his suit – you can’t be too careful with these evangelical atheists.

Seriously, guy doesn’t have anything for you in particular – I think he comes across that way to anyone he deems “dishonest”, or “idiotic”, which includes anyone he has had a contentious exchange with, especially if “anyone” is an “evangelical atheist” or an “anti-Christian”.

Decent guy? Almost certainly would be in many matters.

I think he would be wearing an Alexander Amosu suit and a bowler hat, carrying a crocodile skin walking stick and puffing at a cigar. He’d probably be carrying .45 inside his suit – you can’t be too careful with these evangelical atheists.



LMAO

https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120119214504/glee/de/images/5/57/Big_rofl.gif

Deep Sight: I also had a telco with anony and can confirm he makes a strong oral debater. Sadly our reordng of the discussion crashed. We had hoped to post it here.

I hv always been up for meeting new peeps here and have met a few. Puts calm reality to things.

O Plaetton, i disagree with you on meeting Enigma. He is way too sensitive and dogmatic, but i still perceive a very decent guy ovrall.

Anony is a decent guy, no doubt.

truthislight: yea! she sure does have a very good sense of humor.

You are not there because of the criteria "humorous".

If it is ten(10) top "debaters" on NL then that is a diferent thing.

Is there any among the list that you feel your sense of humor superseeds?

Ofcouse if the list is expanded it will accomodat more names.

Let me attempt my top 10 debaters on NL religion section, no, 10 will be very difficult and tight. Say 15 or 20.

No, No, no, lol. It is not going to be an easy thing to do.

This is not as easy as picking for "humor"

the criteria has to be well defined, and the time/duration has to be stated.
I red the post of one Buda Atom, though he is not around in recent time, yet he was good.

So, "top 10"? It cant be exclusive, it Can only be a "favourite" list.

It is good to build ones idea constructively, though it may not be the "fact" at the end of the day.

However, On this, i will list as many a name as possible and definitely "NOT" on a "top" basis, but randomly.

Blablabalabalabalblablbla stop!
@macdady

i cant. If you wish go ahead then.
Bye.

Calm down. I was just pulling your legs.

Your list is okay, we all have our preferences.

plaetton: It is so refreshing to see that Nigerians can voluntarily meet to cordially discuss contentious issues that they fundamentally dissagree on.
There is hope. We just have to build on that and increase the momentum.
We are the future.

I had no doubts that Anony is decent guy, though suffering from the stockholm syndrome. Lol

I would dread to meet Enigma. This guy seems to have a thing for me.
I am just trying to picture in my mind what a face to face meeting with him would be like.
First I would have to make sure my life insurance policy is duly paid up, have 911 on speed dial, no voice dialing, pack some heat myself in case it turns into a shootout, and then I could find out what he is fond of and take it with me as peace offering

Cool.

Top 5 people I would dread meeting in real life;

-Maclatunji
-Joagbaje (AKA Jo-dollar, Jo-tithe, Jo-cashflow)
-Vedaxcool
-Buzugee
-LagosShia

truthislight: the most humorous in this NL religious section to me are:
1. Buzugee
2: lagerwhenindoubt
3: myamer45
4: muskeeto
5: Frosbel
6: Ijawkid
7: Jesoul
8: pastor AIO
9: crazyman(just the name!)
10: later to be fixed

Jesoul? Seriously? She is cool but not funny.

Why am I not even there sef?

Delafruita: buzugee seems unstable but i perceive a guy with a great sense of humour who wouldnt mind a few cracks.i'd just hope he doesnt take a few "drags" of his apparently favoured "leaves"

I heard that he loves ciroc and weed

Delafruita: first time i eengaged him in a debate,i noticed his intelligentce and ability to wriggle out of tight corners.

if i could,i'd love to meet BUZUGEE.and then in no particular order,
crazyman
logicboy
frosbel
mkmyers
tpia@
truthislight
diluminati
plaetton
cyrexx
and everyother person that has turned this board into an addiction for me.

Me too! My only problem on that list is Buzugee. While he is a funny guy, he is a psychopath. He has no emotion for killed by christians or war.


He could sacrifice me to tha lord after joking over a few beers. He seems unstable

991: I saw this article on yahoo news. Jesus Had a Wife, Newly Discovered Gospel Suggests.
have your say

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jesus-had-wife-newly-discovered-gospel-suggests-202727064.html

lol... I saw this on Fox News this morning!

frosbel: perfectly true !

I have met people in person , who I initially assumed from a phone conversation or email were terrible characters. In person they just happened to be the opposite.

So don't judge before you see , good lesson.

Now we wait to hear from Annoy what illogic boy looks like , how old he is and his level of maturity

I always knew deep down that you were interested in me
#logcboy effect


Swag#

truthislight: this should not on its own be a bad idea.

But when a set of people will kill someone remotely related to an incident in libya and every other places it then give reason for someone that has directly criticise the same prophet openly and severally in a forum like this to be extremely careful in revealing his identity. No?

100% agree. One should be careful. I even warned Anony before we met. It is good to meet but always be cautious.

truthislight: that was Dangerous.
Maclatunji can change his ID and wish to connect with you.
My 2cent.

That is true. If Someone like the dictaorial moderator were to invite me to meet in person I would either carry a gun or reject it.

cyrexx: Wow. Ever since i read his first post earlier this year, i'd been wishing to meet the guy in person. There is something about him that is magnetic, i just love the brilliant way he defends christianity, i assumed he is a lawyer.

Even though i disagree with his worldview and incidentally most of his posts, he nevertheless, is number one on the list of nairaland members i will like to meet face to face.

Macdaddy, pls tell us more about this wonderful man. Pretty please

Yes, Anony is a skilled debater in some respects. Anony is a great guy! He is a young and gentle guy. He was patient enough to let me speak on my troubles with religion. I think we are a bit hostile when we dont know each other on Nairaland but after meeting Anony in person, we were both chatting like friends. Most people in the pub thought that we were friends from way back.

I have realised that we are mostly young people on Nairaland, myself just recently being an ex-student.

Dyt:

Why?

Why post nonsense when you have nothing to say?

So, I met Anony yesterday. Here is how it went;

I was anxious to see what Anony looks like when waiting at the entrance of the pub. I heard his footsteps as he was coming down from the stairs. The anxiety was building. I was a bit calmed when I saw his face. Anony wasnt a bald old man like I expected. It was a young guy (although considerably bigger and older than I am).


However, Anony is slightly different from his online character. Anony talks patiently which exudes calmness and a pragmatic disposition but he is vulnerable to quick retorts and fast replies.


To be honest, I couldnt debunk Anony because we were having a discussion with no rules or formality. It was too easy to go off in different tangents. We both had a long debate on Niaraland and religion. My conclusion is that Anony really understimated me at first (maybe because he thought that I was probably an energetic teenager) but then he started going into his tactics of slowing down the arguments and trying to get exact definitions and following logical steps to put me into an indefensible corner.



A warning to any atheist that wants to debate Anony in reality;
-Anony has a particular strength when it comes to debating. The strength is that he is good at breaking down your points and pick off your definitions and premises one by one. Never expect a fair debate and you should understand your stance. Anony is also a houdini, he has escape tactics and so, your arguments should be well rounded.


All in all, Anony is a great guy. I am happy to have met him and my one particular advice to him is to learn how to make his points quickly because he is very slow in making his points. In a formal debate, the person with the most valid points win (because both sides will have their points, valid and invalid).
I think we Nairaland relgion section guys and girls should meet up because we are all people looking for answers. I am very happy to meet Anony.

(However, avoid people who are dangerous like the moderator that resides in the other section, who believes all infidels are below him)

Horus: Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

Agreed 100%

[quote author=Hye-Bits]The genesis of commotion we see in the world today is a fallout of materialism believe, con Atheism. Wet your knowledge with facts, the genesis of terrorism is materialism/atheism recently brought to light by Darwinism. They are the same people that told you that religion is the opium of the people. They want to take people out of the folds of God with their propaganda. Materialism/Atheism hijacked Christianity and infiltrate its people with religion to simply corrupt them and pollute the mind of the people, bringing them utter confusion. What will you say about some Pope like Rodrigo de Borja, whose reign was of the materialist. They did not represent the Preaching of Christ Jesus(PBUH). They rule in what was likened to the Greek Era believe. That you proclaim you are christian does not make you one, it is the believe we found in you that defines you. Many deception these day of people who claimed are of faith but their articles of faith is atheism/materialism. We can't be deceived, atheism has infiltrated the house of God. This cankerworm will only live for a time and then become history for God promise will soon be down on us.[/quote]You are a muslim and you have the nerve to point fingers at atheists about violence?


You trolling?

[quote author=Hye-Bits]That is what you guys know how to do better, appearing and disappearing with weak-unscientific claims. So it's very possible for an atom(according to your believe) to cause universe with order. If an atom can bring such order and diversity in several trillions of planetary bodies. So it is more than possible for two(2)people with several trillions of atoms to make 7 billion. Be scientific and come with reason, don't be delusional. Reasonable people going through this tread will no doubt know who is reeling in imagination with outright ignorance like Darwin-A Joker. The kingdom of God is near, be wise. Choose life and race out of illusion. I have not scratched the surface yet, bring it on with erudition, I'm simply at home. Nice time brother.[/quote]lol....atoms and people are two different things. Humans have a 9 month gestation period with diffculties in childbirth. 2 people can not populate the earth

[quote author=Hye-Bits]Not only Nazism. May I extend my nest to include Fascism and communism. They all drink from the same source as Nazism. This relationship between Darwinism and communism goes right back to their founders, Max and Engels. They read Darwin origin of Species as soon as it came out and they outrightly adopted it because of its dialectical materialist attitude, which they had believed. The correspondence between Max and Engel showed that they saw Darwin's theory as containing the basis in natural history for communism. Engels, in his book " The Dialectics of Nature", was full of praise for Darwin. Nazism, Fascism and Communism are of Darwinism.

Again, I'm not stretching anything to render atheism a propaganda. For your information, Atheism has ever been a propaganda for it was hurled unto the innocent world by small minds who sees a renew energy in Evolution-the greatest lie the world has ever known.[/quote]Nazism = roots in christianity (esp. catholic Hitler)

Communism = state religion

Facism = what you would call the Pope and his infallibility and power in rome.


Look around you, who are the people rioting and killing in the name of their gods? Religious people (muslims)

Who were the biggest slave traders in humanity? (Christians and muslims)

Who were the first experts in torture? (catholics and sometimes protestants when torturing heretics)


You should look at your religoon before pointing any fingers at atheists

[quote author=Hye-Bits]Folks, what really amazes me about atheism is its inability to know that Evolution is Darwin's imagination. Darwin was an amateur English naturalist. He had never undergone formal education in Biology or Zoology. He took only an amateur interest in the subject of nature and living things which spurred him to voluntarily join an expedition on board a ship named H.M.S Beagle that set out from england in 1832. After which he became an authority to challenge the proofed theories of great scientists as Newton, Faraday et al. What an irony, we should understand how sincere the atheism is in its religion propagation.[/quote]List of epic mistakes;

-Evolution is not central to atheism. Evolution is biology. The problem is that religious nutjobs like you are linking evolution to atheism is because it clearly debunks the notion that humans were created. Atheists simple state that there is no evidence for god. Bring evidence and we will believe

-Darwin was wrong and aspects of evolution were improved. Humans are fallible. Unfortunately religious nutjobs are not willing to see mistakes in their holy books. Example how their gods loved incest (Adam and Eve's children had to commit incest to get grandchildren).

[quote author=Hye-Bits]Fruitcake brother, the reason you are devoid of this is your ill-knowledge of the cosmic. The reason is because you believe that matter and time is absolute, this has been refuted by science of 20th century till present. Thanks to science. Then to Adam and eve, you may never understand my explanation, if you don't understand the nature of matter-your god-in the first place. Again, do you understand that, coming from your understanding that matter bequeath us over 300 billion galaxies, each galaxy having different shapes,colour and over 300 billion stars, one of which is our sun, the center of our solar system. If you believe this from your materialist views. Then which is difficult to believe, 7 billion human beings(black, white ,myriads of tribes and race) from two people or over 300 billion galaxies, each having over 300 billion stars with different colours and shapes formed from a single atom according to science. Think about this and we further engage. Good day brother.[/quote]Human beings descended from at least 10,000 people. That is ascertained from the variations in human beings. It is impossible for 2 people to populate the earth. Incest of their offspring causing a lot of disorders.

Your ignorance has been addrssed. Thank me later.

[quote author=Hye-Bits]On the issue of Darwinism and Nazi ideology, you have strayed so far from knowing the truth and this show your level of enlightenment-ignorance on the history of our world. In the first place, what you never knew was that Charles Darwin developed his theory when science was at his primitive state. Before Darwin, the most thoroughly considered view of evolution was expressed by French Biologist Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, in his, Zoological Philosophy of 1809. The difference between his work and Darwin "Origin of Species" of 1831 was Darwin emphasis on Natural Selection. For your information the structure of the cell and DNA was not discovered at the time, if you know the implication of these discoveries to the fallacy of Evolution.

Then Darwinism and Nazism, may I bring to your notice that many followers of Darwinism were of Christian religion before the widespread of the work of Charles Darwin that popularize the believe in Darwinism-Evolution. In his book, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler specifically talked about struggle between races which form a basis in Darwin "Natural Selection". In the book, Hitler writes: "History would culminate in a new millennial empire of unparalleled splendour based on new racial hierarchy ordained by nature herself". In the 1933 Nuremberg party rally, Hitler proclaimed that "a higher race subjects to itself a lower race... a right which we see in nature and which can be regarded as the sole conceivable right". I never doubt Hitler was a Catholic but he had left the teachings to adopt the materialist view culminated in evolution, for which he was a firm believer and preacher. Hitler, who emerged with these views, dragged the world to violence that had never before seen in our world-The World Wars. Many more proof of this could be supplied, this for now.[/quote]Lol....you are stretching the truth to fit your nonsense propaganda against atheism. Nazism has roots in christian ideology. End of story. Evolution is not an atheist ideology. Evolution is science. Atheism is a theological stance.


Furthermore, there were worse killers than Hitler. Many of them christians who enslaved, castrated and tortured unbelievers because they felt that they were better than unbelievers - a chosen christian race just like Nazis believed that they were a chosen Aryan race

[quote author=Hye-Bits]MacDaddy, your atheism/materialist philosophy has no foundation in 21st century science and knowledge world. Your believe as materialist is devoid of fact that could be subjected to scientific proof. The reason you guys continue to support this fallacy of evolution, infinite matter and time is as a result of your delusion of facts of creation. Believe it or not, atheism/materialist/neo-darwinism is a religion that you guys propagate and fight with delusion. Evolution is deceit, which has its bedrock in materialist religion of Greek era. Darwin was not the originator, it is of Greek, but this has Darwin as early propagator along with his followers like you. Materialist philosophy has brought great damages and ignorance to this world when it most thrive in 19th century and earliest 20th century. As Darwinism fed racism in the 19th century, it formed the basis of an ideology that would develop and drown the world in blood in the 20th century-Nazism, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST in concept called NATURAL SELECTION. A strong Darwinist influence can be seen in Nazi ideologues. Nothing will materialism/atheism world will bring to this world but great ruin. Brother you bring forth your proof to dialogue if you have them, good day.[/quote]Darwinism is an ambiguous word. For you to start comparing Darwinism to Nazism or Nazi ideology, it shows a real ignorance on many things. Hitler was a catholic.

As for science, please explain how 7 billion human beings came from 2 people or how blacks are descendants of two Jewish/Hebrew people called Adam and Eve?

vedaxcool: Lol eating cake and having it is what you do here whenever you violate NL laws by turning the Religion Section to a moderator complaints sections, in addition I think one does not need the brains of homer Simpson to know that a topic that addresses Christians, and about Christians behaviour suddenly become a candidate for the Islamic section and also turn into a bigot cry for eating cake and having it too!

Can everyone see exhibit A (Vedaxcool's comment)


Vedaxcool is one of the biggest trolls on the religion section. He is given an escape-jail card in the islam section to abuse atheists and christians because he is a mulsim. He derailed one of my threads. I complained and guess what Maclatunji did? He cautioned me and removed the thread.


Lol...I can only laugh when Vedaxcool acts surprised when they say that there is some intolerance among some muslims

plappville: We do not need Science to confirm God Existance. Because God's word is not a science book. Before Science God has been. In John 10:25, Jesus said "the scriptures cannot be broken". So whats the big deal of their confirmation?  We need to remember that man cannot make a "law of science". Man cannot enforce a "law of science" but we can only OBSERVE the laws that God designed into our universe! Men may Try as hard as they can, but they cannot disprove the Scriptures. 

1 timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

lol.


Science and the bible are 2 different things.


The bible tells us that human beings stared with 2 humans. Science tells us that with the variation in humans, humans descended from at least 10,000 people.

The bible is for those that like magic and miracles.

I am happy that a well respected christian (Toba) is saying all these things. If it were Macdaddy/logicboy, they would have shunned me and said that I'm an atheist fool who is just upset with being banned.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, you started it when you made this statement.

Nonsense arguments deserve nonsense rebuttals[/quote]Anony I will send you an email concerning the debate now

[quote author=Mr_Anony]let us use some logic shall we?

You hold that if suffering is not understood by human beings, then it is evil.
If the understanding of human beings is not ultimate, then it means that there is another possible being which can understand the suffering.

However let us assume that even if that being could understand the suffering, the suffering would still be evil because it is pointless to humans, then the next question that would follow is: based on the judgment of which humans exactly? because if one person understands it, then it you can no longer claim hat it is evil because it is now within human understanding.

About psychopaths, what makes them mad and you sane? how are you sure that you can trust your senses? Is there any objective standard by which you know that you are definitely not mad? or you just take it for granted?[/quote]You are really sick. You put words in my mouth to bolster your flawed arguments.


My premise is simple. Pointless suffering is evil. Unnecessary suffering is evil. This is different from suffering not understood. I is unnecessary because I know that it has not benefit not that i dnt understand it.


Stop your spinning and dodging.


You have problems Anony

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, unless you want to say that human understanding is ultimate or that there is a particular human understanding that is optimal upon which we may now have something to objectively define unnecessary suffering, you have no point. Your other option is a unanimous vote on evil from all humanity. If you also can't get that, then you have no point.[/quote]Bros, do you have a mental problem? Are you seriously writing what you are writing?


Where did I claim that human beings understanding is ultimate? You were trying to use a psychopath's opinion as a premise for your argument.

Suffering is sleary understood by all non-psychopathic human beings. Icut your hand for no reasona nd it is suffering and evil.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh sorry I was of the opinion that you agreed with wiegraf when he included animals in the mix....anyway never mind.

My friend, if you say that something being pointless to human beings makes it evil, then all I need is one human being who doesn't think it pointless and then you lose your claim. You have mentioned psychopaths. Are psychopaths not human beings?[/quote]What? Is this the new low that you are going to shamelessly uphold?

What kind of non sequitur is this? Are you now arguing that we should be considering the opinions of mad people (psychopaths)?