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Joagbaje: They seem to be getting secular over faith issue . But not for long. Nigeria is the capital for real Christianity in my opinion and God is sending men from Nigeria to nations of the world with the gospel and signs and wonders . The world will believe very soon

Lol......what is Nigeria going to teach Britain? Tithe fraud?


Nigeria is the capital of corruption.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, I must really be a burden for you on this forum.... Anyway as I said, when you are ready to follow an argument in logical steps then we will have something to talk about. If your idea of a debate is who can mock the other best, then you have a long way to go.

So far your arguments have only come in this form: "I find X absurd therefore it is absurd". . . . . .and when it has been pointed out to you, your response is "How is X not absurd?" You still have a long way to go my friend.[/quote]Your tactics are getting old

wiegraf: Drop the silly indignation. I should be pissed, especially as you seem to have multiple personality disorder or something similar. Say one thing in one thread, shift to another or even stay in the same one, say the reverse of what you stated earlier, or conveniently forget that you made the statement. ALL.THE.TIME. After all that you accuse me of being dishonest, seemingly without any compunction.

ijawkid: That's not much of a problem.....infact such things are suppose to happen b4 d end comes.....

But look!!!!!!!.....

Some of those persons will still come back to there senses so as to gain everlasting life....

Remember narrow is that way leading of into life,but broad into destruction....

So the greater the number of persons who loose there taste in the service of Yahweh and his Son the more I'm sure the end is indeed near......

Let me teach you some facts

majority of the world has always been non-christian.

Christianity is on the decline in some countries.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Of course.......typical macdaddy argument: "I think it is absurd therefore it is absurd". As I said, when you learn to use logic, come around and we'll chat.[/quote]See this dishonest fellow.


Ridiculous;

The christian argument that their God is morally upright when the same god regulated and supported slavery in the old testament.





How is my argument that such is absurd illogical?


Everyone can see that you're a dishonest dodger.


Your time has come, Anony.

SimonAndal: Their brains are still in the Samsung Washing machines of MOGs, that's why.

Ironic

Samsung = South Korean

South Korea = atheistic counrty

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I thought you were asking someone else.
.....I don't know of any sky-tyrants. If you are going to lace your questions with spite, then you don't deserve an answer.[/quote]Denial!

You know this sky tyrant!

https://www.atheistmemebase.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/056-Douchebag-God-Gives-Mankind-book-of-moral-teachings.-Includes-instructions-on-how-to-treat-your-slaves.jpg



Dont hold ridiculous beliefs if you dont want to be ridiculed

Britain is the country that brought christianity to Nigeria and yet, they have thrown Christianity away. Statistics show that 39% - 56% are not religious in the uk.

The question now becomes why would an advanced country that brought christianity to Nigeria throw it away or become an irreligious country?

I have drawn this question out so many times in debate but not gotten any answers.






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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Religious_affiliations

Ptolomeus: Logiboy; here in South America we have created the "Church of Locboy".
We already have three fliales, charging tithes (as the Bible commands) ...
We are awaiting his arrival to bless us, beloved Pastor!
Alleluia!
Un fuerte abrazo querido amigo.
Siempre podrás contar conmigo, como un amigo incondicional.
y...
Vamo' arriba la celeste!

jajajaja!


San logicboy!

¡créetelo

musKeeto: funny thread..

it is, is it, isn't it, it isn't....

Guess everyone has gone to bed....

Have a nice rest guys... wonder what McDaddy and DeepSight would be dreaming of.... hmmm..

Shut d feck up

obadiah777: BOTH OF YOU GET A ROOM

I thought that u were an edomite not sodomite

Deep Sight: Not with your current showing of poor logic, no thanks, I am se.xually masochistic, but not intellectually masochistic.



Please can you see how much you dont read ? ? ? It is not surprising that the entire discussion has flown over your head. Everything I have been saying does not disclose what you have written here. The point has been that neither FSM nor religious garbage serve to detract from the necessity of a pre existent. And religious ontologies of God do contain the attributes derivative from the cosmological question of causation of the world, whereas the FSM id.iocy does not. Please learn to read.

pls dont cry.


Look at the title of this thread and think about all you have discuseed on the thread.

Deep Sight: Please go an re-read what i wrote. And read especially what was said about the source for the attributes relevant to be discussed. That source is causality and those attributes are at issue. Simple.

Please, can we open a new thread to discuss the strength of the FSM?


I would like to show you how biased and illogical you are. If the FSM is a religion with a deity, I wonder how you can overlook the christian religion and its deity to call the FSM rubbish.

Deep Sight: Lol, keep contradicting yourself. You say its not about first cause but its about intelligent design. The first step in the intelligent design argument starts from first cause. Stop being such a nit wit.

Lmao.

Intelligent design (ID) is a form of creationism promulgated by the Discovery Institute. The Institute defines it as the proposition that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2] It is a contemporary adaptation of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, presented by its advocates as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins" rather than "a religious-based idea".[3] The leading proponents of intelligent design are associated with the Discovery Institute, a politically conservative think tank,[n 1][4] and believe the designer to be the Christian deity.[n 2]

Deep Sight: Of course twoddles like you will fail to make the very obvious connection.

lol.....is that all you can say?


Your ignorance has been exposed!


#Deep Sight debunked

FSM is about intelligent design

Deep Sight: Absolutely he did not: for his response did not compare apples for apples. The central issue that warrants the discourse is the cause of the universe. He has not shown how FSM is apt or relevant to that, or how it breaks the necessity of a pre existent. He has mis conceived the issue as being against the ridiculous aspects of religious notions of that pre existent - and not what it should be - namely the existence of the pre existent: and in this i have articulated the necessary attributes to be considered which dervive from the cosmological question of the cause of the universe. It seems the critical relevance of this connection is lost on you both.

Ignorance. Please read up before you expose yourself-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster



Spag monster is not about big bang or first cause.

Delafruita: my life means something because i engage in activities i believe in.i dont need religion to give me that.for example,am watching arsenal vs man city with a bottle of star and a bowl of gizzard.thats the meaning of my life at this moment.later in the day i'd be on site to coordinate activities,that will be the meaning of my life by then

I'm watching the same match with indomie and sardines.....this is the life! Epic

vedaxcool: Who have tried forcing anything on you? You have said worse of the prophet pbuh and none has talk of killing you really provide comic effects here . . .

lol....Even though, I dislike your arguments there is a litlle honesty in you that LagosShia and co do not have.

[quote author=*Kails*] i don't.
i choose not to engage in conversation pertaining to religion, s3xual orientation,
or politics offline.

if they are to obtain and seek salvation from the creator, it will happen based on their experience and the journey that they must follow in life. I won't pretend to be the "save your soul in the name of the lord" hero only to constantly have my God insulted before me.

I am too busy trying to build and maintain a relationship with God for myself (which is at times difficult), than to appease the need to vent by "rebels of the system".

Call me selfish and I will wear the "s" on my chest proudly lol. [/quote]S for Slave. Jewish slave

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, typical. Your argument is insufficient. It is similar to when asking the question "What killed John?" you give answer "People die all the time".
That doesn't lead us anywhere.[/quote]Nonsense. If i asked you who killed Tom? Can you answer the question without clues?

Delafruita said her dad was cured of a curable disease. She said the medicine didnt help. Her story is problematic.

However, the fact remains that sinusitis is curable. A miracle can not be claimed since he had taken medication. End of story.

Sinusitis can be cured without medicine in the first place.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]The correct way to put it is: "At our level of biology, we do not yet know of....."[/quote]

How re.tarded. It would be like saying that at current level of our biology, we do not yet know of zombies that can rise from the dead.


We know and our biology tells us that there is no species of horse with horns. Gbam. Am I bringing the horse from another universe? Where on earth do you think such a horse exists?




[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, you are still bringing up an irrelevant criteria. The person presenting the unicorn does not need to tell you where he found it as even if he told you he found it in the arabian desert, you have no way of falsifying it.

.......and yeah google maps is terribly insufficient for any serious mapping.[/quote]Irrelevant criteria? If he told me that he brought it from the Arabian desert, he would be clearly lying. How would a unicorn or a horse survive in the desert as a wild animal? Are there unicorns in the deserts? No!

And yeah, they can bomb you anywhere on earth using the same satelite technology as google maps. Dunce




[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, I hope you do realize that at this point you are making a strawman argument since we have moved away from what the analogy of your pink unicorn is out to illustrate to arguing about "species of unicorn"[/quote]Strawmman argument? It debunks you and exposes your ignorance on unicorns and now it is a strawman?

You were the one foolishly denying that unicorns were only described as horses and i corrected you.

If someone brings a horse and tells me it is a unicorn, I would laugh because a unicorn has both horse and goat descriptions- even as far as those features being fused. That is why a unicorn is imaginary in the first place. I would ask where the goat like features are.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]More unfounded statements powered by bias.
Have you ever wondered why black men were called niggers?

You know before i met you in person, I really thought that you were truly incapable of understanding logic so I would take my time and try to spell things out for you.

Now I know that you are intelligent enough to recognize logic however, your ability to actually use logic to compose your arguments when giving a rebuttal is severely lacking......so when your poor logic fails you - as it always does - you resort to mockery and shoot off in various directions.

Frankly, it is wearying to actually try and get you to understand stuff because you truly lack the ability to see an argument to it's logical conclusion.
I won't bother myself anymore with trying to make you understand stuff. If you don't get it, that's just too bad.[/quote]My arguments are valid and with logic.

You must be arrogantly mad to call to even call me irrational or without logic, you being a christian when our discussion borders on religion.


How can you even start to talk about logic when you are talking about miracles? Miracles by definition breaks logic. Isnt that the crux of the discussion?


As a christian, does an invisible omnipotent god follow logic? Hmm? Why is it called "faith"?

Is omnipotence not a logical paradox?

Can anyone logically defend a spirit or spiritual world? No! When there is no evidence neither a tangible premise or standard definition of ~"spiritual" to start from.]



You sir, are an arrogant and dishonest human being. Please, do yourself some good and refrain from mentioning logic and defending unicrons or miracles in the same comment.

Deep Sight: Questions that should guide the mind of discussants in making a serious discourse of the matter of the existence/ non-existence of GOD -

1. Did the universe have a beginning?

2. Was the universe caused?

3. If caused, what caused the universe?

4. Is it possible to derive something from nothing?

5. Why something instead of nothing?

6. Does the structure of the universe disclose any order?

7. Does the development of life within the universe disclose any order?

8. What is the possibility and then the probability of te development of life and particularly intelligent life within the universe?

9. If the universe is caused, what sort of cause can be envisaged?

These are the sort of issues I would expect arguments to be advanced for and against, and not silly questions as why it wasn't done by pasta and meatballs.

First and foremost, the FSM (spag monster) is not about the origins of the universe, it is about the qualities given to god. Same with the invisble pink unicorn.

You are quite daft and for you to shift the argument shows a dishonesty common to theists and certain deists.


1) Yes, probably the universe had a beginning

2) Who knows? "Caused" implies a deliberate action. Our knowledge is limited to the big bang and not a cause behind it. Anyone who claims that he or she knows is a liar.

3) Ditto number 2. Our knowledge is limited to the big bang. To claim to know beyond that is a statement backed with no evidence


4) Unfortunately, "nothing" is not definable within a cosmological sense


5) Unfortunately, "nothing" is not definable within a cosmological sense


6) Yes there is both some order and some randomness

7) yes and no. ditto 6

Jamb question. Rephrase

9) See number 2

jayriginal: I made a similar point. Generic rocks and specific rocks.

Anony bit more than he could chew this time

Deep Sight: If you really expect a response to this, you are far more unintelligent than I ever imagined. And I imagined you really daf.t already.

What next, a cookie monster?

You are a nit wit.

Enjoy the Pasta and meatballs. Should make a nice meal.

Lol you mad? You angered because your god theory is nothing but fallacious characteristics to make god disprovable?


The spaghetti minster forgives you. Let yourself be touched by his noodley appendage. He is the pasta of life!

[img]http://2.bp..com/_82sJkwGOIt8/SeMeJQo7y5I/AAAAAAAAAAg/nYBwwL0ZxWo/s400/blessed+be+his+noodly+goodness.jpg[/img]

vedaxcool: Maybe to you it didn't mean fear but I neither did I make the comments to defend him as they don't send that message.

I have no problem meeting you in person, but I do like the anonymous nature of NL, you know I might be president one day and sometimes my views aren't always mainstream and like Romney aren't elegantly stated . . . just kidding, In my opinion it is usually u atheists that display arrogance when u call people all sort of names because they believe in God.

I can point that accusations back at muslims. You call us names eg infidels, Kuffir, mushrik etc


The fact is that I dont care what you believe in as long as you dont force it on me.


But how is that possible when I could be killed for suggesting the fact that the prophet dabbled in slave trade?

Deep Sight: In addittion to my comments to wiegraf above, I must say to you that once the discussion is the existence of God, it is altogether insufficient to make such an argument because the question of the existence of God is about causation for the universe.

For this reason that which should be of concern would rather be [x] the question as to whether the universe is caused and [y] if caused, what caused it.

It is crucial to note that in this respect the core ontological attributes of God advanced by religions are -

[1] - - - An eternal uncaused element

[2] - - - Trancendental

[3] - - - Being

[4] - - - Purpose

As such, it is against THESE attributes that such an argument should be made: namely to say that it is wrong to advance the idea that the universe was caused by an eternal uncaused transcendental being imbued with purpose.

That would be the sensible way to address the debate, and certainly not the silly mockery of a non-starter which asks why the universe is not created by a monster consisting of processed food [pasta] and meatballs.

Such is irredeemably silly, and verily discloses the asker as nothing but a philosophical nit wit, and also, a real life nit wit.

[1] - - - An eternal uncaused element. The spaghetti monster caused the big bang and is an eternal creator.

[2] - - - Trancendental. The spaghetti monster is beyond humans and then universe.

[3] - - - Being. The spaghetti monster is a noodley supernatural being.

[4] - - - Purpose. The spaghetti monster brings love and kindness to humanity. He is the pasta of life.



See how a belief in God works in any religion?

Deep Sight: No: this is wrong: the FSM argument does have everything to do with causality because it asks the question as to whether a ridiculous conjuration such as a food monster could not be the cause of the universe. That is manifestly silly.

Intelligent design as a notion is not limited to Religious precepts as you know, and as such, cannot and should not be attacked with reference to the ridiculous notions of the ontology of God proffered by any religion.

And yes, asking why the universe may not have been created by a monster consisting of processed food such as pasta and meatballs, is beyond puerile: and you know it: it is plainly daf.t.

You cannot expect that to be taken seriously in any serious discussion, can you?

And yes, asking why the universe may not have been created by a monster consisting of an invisible old man or spirit is beyond puerile: and you know it: it is plainly daf.t.

rbjimoh: [color=#006600][/color]
@dexmond
Your ex erred by allowing a relationship to evolve between you and herself, in the first place. Women are hardly able to retain their faiths once they are married and the husband's one different from their's. In fact, it hardly happens. But of course Islam is the world only monotheistic religion. So, your ex, as a muslim, should not have fallen in love with you because of your pluralistic faith. Except of course if you had accepted Islam. It is, in fact, better for her that she remains as she is than rejecting her faith because of illusory love.

Get out, foolish bigot.


This is what happens when you have been brainwashed. There are many cases of women keeping their islamic faith even when married to a non-muslim. An example is Huma Abedin who is married to a Jewish US senator.

You can not see the bigotry in allowing muslim men to marry outside but not muslim women.


Speaking as someoene who has seen his sister being toasted by muslim men and then almost killed for having a muslim girlfriend, shut the feck up!!!

SimonAndal: And all there fucking atheists everywhere. Fire and brimstone! These are the signs of the endtime!! It's stated in Revelations chapter 59 that many will profess their disdain for god and godly things, and become deviants. This is it. Homosexuality and lesbianism and atheism. The devil is in your hearts, and the lord god will cast you out on the last day!

Thanks for derailing my thread with your sarcasm.


Cant you see that I'm trying to link up with rich atheists? Why do you want to put sand in my garri?

SimonAndal: Nah, Lamborghini and Ferrari and all those i's are for queers and faggotts.

lmao....you don craze finish!

What can I say? Anony brings out the best (or the beast) in me;

MacDaddy01: Stop with these games, Anony! Your number is up!


Your first case argument has failed long time ago. Whatever the first cause is, we must ask what caused the first cause. This leads to an infinite regress.

Your intelligent designer argument has failed long time ago. There can only be a re.tarded designer who designed our solar system to fail, our human bodies to be incompatible with most of our homeland, the earth. The re.tarded designer also chose to wait billions of years (about 14) to create the world we live in today instead of doing it in the blink of an eye since he can create something out of nothing. He had to create the big bang and wait for billions of years for the solar system to come up and then wait for millions of years for humans to appear. Finally, the re.tard then chose to hide this information from humans until about 4,000 BC when chose to reveal himself to the ancestors of middle eastern cavemen and desert dwellers. The re.tard di not even give the full information, he kept most of it to himself and let humans deceive themselves over a flat earth.

This is the equivalent of using a cup to fill a swimming pool with water that will take you about a week instead of using a hose that would take some few hours.


Yaweh, you are a serious dumbazz.

SimonAndal: I want the new bugatti!

see this 419. Na handcuff you go get!


Why stop at Bugatti? Why not add Lamborghinni and Ferrari to your collection!