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Delafruita: she didnt get any treatment.dude,its an ulcer.the only medicak option is to amputate

as is common with jishua's church,they showed the clip on TV.it was the usual blabbing in tongues and deliverance prayers.

yes i saw her walk.she started to walk after the visit to SCOAN



am going to assume you are intelligent.thats why i would propose you read the post again and then you will realise how completely ridiculous ur questions are

let me just come out and say that your stories are lies, Delafruita.


Miracles my foot. I can make a story and shift all goalposts to make it sound like a real miracle too.

Atheists dont exist according to my muslim brother on the video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmePgFn0sBQ&feature=fvwrel

fellis: @bold,
Yes, it's mostly propaganda but most people fail to realize that. . . . . . . Nice post, it is quite refreshing to read the opinion of an unbiased fellow.

You are a real brainwashed muslim. Keep agreeing with everything anti-west.


People killed innocent people because their religion was insulted. No remorse for innocent victims, just blame the west.

mu2sa2: American and western Christians ar killing hundreds of innocent muslims in Pakistan using drones. The honourable minister simply wants to pay America back. Besides, d producer of the film set out to provoke muslims and he (or they) ar getting d prize for doing that. D enemies of Islam ar wasting their time. D ink is dried - no matter what they do or write or plot Islam will wax stronger.Let them plan and plot against Islam even more, but Allah is d best of planners and will always raise His religion over their plot.Allahu Akbar is now heard in every corner of the world.

Keep making excuses to kill for your religion.

fellis: Oh, he is anti west? I did not know that.

Abeg, gerrout or contribute to the topic.

And yes, his comments were crtitical of the west and thats why you were wondering why he wasnt muslim!

Ishilove: Feel free to shove your opinion up your heinie

After you.

fellis: Sometimes I find it hard to believe you are not a Muslim.

lol....anti-west equals muslim like?

wissezy:

You know!

SimonAndal: Smh! Really, smh! bleeped-up, stone-age barbarians!

What are you talking about? Islam is a religion of peace

The religion of peace at its finest.


A Pakistani minister (Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Bilour) has put a bounty of $100,000 on the head of the Movie director of the anti-islamic movie "Innocence of Muslims".


https://i.huffpost.com/gen/783885/thumbs/o-GHULAM-AHMAD-BILOUR-570.jpg?6



The minister calls it a "sacred duty".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19687386

Dudugirl01: So, if someone killed ur sister and there's no proof, would you say he didn't? Besides, there's proof everywhere you just have to open ur eyes to see

Commonsense.

How do you know that he killed the sister in the first place without evidence?

homaticaya: If you go skul, u go know say Game characters are computer programs writing by humans. so they follow human instructions.
Just say u know a Muslim respect the bible even more than a christian would, we never handle it the way Christians do.

#illiterate christian

Epic fail.

I am not a christian


Furthermore, muslims have burnt bibles as well.

Also, A videogame is fiction. No one should be killed for fiction

hadbak: Bravo! D guy dat cuts d bible is definatly a xtian,(xtian cuting bible) understanable! buh I'm sure d person that drops d Quran on d floor is NEVA a muslim.(Xtian dropin Quran) U see d difference? U xtians ddont see anytn wrong disrespectg sacre tins. No sane muslim wil treat d quran lyk som trash cus we respect God, quran n our religion. Similarly, Av seen a cartoon(american dad) whre islam is mocked by a xtian (d producer) and many odas. When wil all tis stop? Sins tank God u knw muslim dnt lyk it y cnt u stop? U shld continue disrespctg ur religion buh not odas. If only xtians cn respect dia religions n that of odas d world wil b peaceful.

You are asking if a game/cartoon character is a muslim?


#brainwashed muslim

Ihedinobi: I had to break off at a point to just weep and worship the Lord while reading this thread. Thank you very much, sir. The Lord bless you

Jewish slave.


That thread is full of nothing that could be called "evidence"


Please dont post threads just because they support your religion.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, Why of course I am only dishonest when I don't agree with you......

As I said you and plaetton share the same worldview so of course you'll say the same thing. I was only pointing at your methods of arriving at your answers[/quote]Wrong. Delafruitas miracle was never a miracle in the first place. Sinusitis is curable. Liquids alone can cure sinusitis. The special water that her father drank could have cured it. In short, Sinusitis, depending on the type has many cures.

You dishonestly went ahead to push forward Delafruitas claims of miracles when you thought that I couldnt debunkn his claims. There was no need to argue it out. Simple- sinusitis is already curable.




[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, history,geography and biology can only tell you what exists. They cannot tell you what does not. If they could, new discoveries would be impossible.....unless you want to claim that we have reached the limits of our knowledge.[/quote]Biology can not tell you that zombies do not exist? lol. Do humans come back from the grave to eat corpses?


As for your claims, Biology tells you that there are no known breeds or species of horses that have horns. Where would I get an horse with a horn from? London? Nigeria?




[quote author=Mr_Anony]If a skeptic will come to his conclusion without even bothering to test the phenomenon in front of him, then he is an irrational skeptic. In fact a blind fanatic. He can only know it is a hoax if he has ultimate knowledge about this issue.
.....and yeah the whole world has not been completely mapped yet.[/quote]Google maps, satelites etc. They cover the whole world using lattitudes and longitudes. We are talking land animals and not what is at the bottom of the sea.

There would be no need for me to touch the horse dressed as a unicorn. Why? A rational skeptic already knows that there are no known breeds of horses with a horn.
All I would ask is where the person got such an animal from. Any answer would be a lie because, he would either be dead or the place has no such horses because they have been explored




[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, the tests you are requiring here are unreasonable tests. You are asking for explanations outside it's definition.[/quote]Really? A unicorn has no standard definition since it is imaginary in the first place. I will debunk you below

[quote author=Mr_Anony]A pink unicorn is simply defined as a creature that resembles a horse except that it has a horn and it's skin is pink.[/quote]A unicorn could be a horse, a goat or a bull. Heck, even rhinoceroses have been called unicorns. o and do your reasearch before speaking nonsense here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn#Single-horned_goat






[quote author=Mr_Anony]where it is found and how friendly it is to humans are irrelevant to whether it is a pink unicorn or not. so is asking why it's features are horse-like and not cow-like or goat-like. That's like someone who has never seen a leopard before upon seeing one, asking why it's features are cat-like and not dog-like or monkey-like....and therefore the leopard is a hoax. That's poor thinking.[/quote]A unicorn is a wild animal since no one in recordable history has claimed to have raised a unicorn. Seeing a tame one should raise some suspicions. Asking when and where it was found will put the hoax to shame.

A leopard has always been described as a cat with spots. A unicorn has been described as a goat or a horse. Asking why it is a horse and not a goat is very valid. Your ignorance has been exposed.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]This statement is true except for the bolded......remember I said:


since I was describing an irrational skeptic, all you have really done is to agree with me by saying what a rational skeptic is.

So where was I wrong about what I said again?[/quote]Nonsense. A rational skeptic can not be a christian.

Do you wonder why atheists and non-believers are called skeptics?

vedaxcool: OBSESSION! OBSESSION!! Unhealthy OBSESSION!!!

Loose it! Peace.

You are the one obsessed with defending Maclatunji. Even LagosShia has called you Maclatunjis dog.


FYI; I make many topics and comments here on the religion section 0.01% of them are about maclatunji.

toba: lm not disputing the fact that power corrupts and the evidence is in his actions on NL. i dont think a reasonable moderator should be threatening forum .members with ban. Seun the forum owner is accommodating. if seun hears a report about tunji, seun would be disappointed. I saw seun's post yesterday correcting a moderator openly who was a bit harsh on a newbie.

I ve chosen to stay action on tunji cos of the moderators who intervened. when 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7 members complain about a moderator to seun, im sure such mod knows whats coming.

for now lets hope he learns to change if not.

We will see.

vedaxcool: ^
Dude it is alright to have fears, man everybody do, ok maybe not everybody fears an anonymous username on the NL . . . Can't understand why u so pissed, except there is really no smoke without fire . . . Mac must be enjoying the gossips u guys have behind his back every now and then. Anyway peace

lol..@ bold, so even ou agree that mac has a sick sense of humor? Who laughs at bad things said about himself?


By the way, why are you saying peace? You came here to troll and I didnt give you satisfaction now you're saying peace? Foolish muslim

vedaxcool: ^

You must really need God in your life to have such a morbid fear of a mere mortal . . . Lol

Troll harder.


Saying someone has a mental problem = fear.


Again,

Troll harder

toba: l know tunji. weve had discussion outside nairaland. he's obsessive and not dangerous. in real life, he doesnt have balls but on the internet he barks. thats all. he looks gentle but hes power hungry. u dont know tunji before he became a mod, do u? he became a mod less than a yr ago

How do you know that power hasnt changed him? As a mod, he is power crazy!


He has a mental problem. I am not the first to say it. He jokes about banning people and most of his jokes are always dark and never funny. He enjoys the thrill of banning people.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Now that I have shown you what worldviews are about,
I hold a christian theist worldview which means that I see everything through the tint of my christian glasses. For me, God is a given and an unchallengeable fact.
You on the other hand hold an atheist worldview which means that through your atheist glasses, God and the supernatural do not exist. For you it is equally an unchallengeable fact, the supernatural is not part of your reality.

Since neither of us is an objective observer (in fact no one really is), the only way we can now resolve issues and find truth is to use logic. We have to point to what follows from a Christian theist worldview and what follows from an atheist worldview.

For example: If it is true that from order we infer an order-giver, therefore if the universe is ordered, there must be an order giver (within my worldview, this makes sense since God is the ultimate order-giver).
For you to say that there is no such order-giver, you must tell us what else to infer from order or that the universe is not ordered.

I hold that based upon your worldview, disorder and meaninglessness must follow from the absence of the order-giver(God)...........unless you have something else to show us[/quote]Nonsense. Stating facts is not a worldview.


There is no evidence for Yaweh. That is a fact. That is not a worldview.

I believe in Yaweh. That is a worldview based on faith and not fact.


Other facts whic are not worldviews;
-There is no evidence for spiritual world
-There is no evidence for spiritual miracles
-The bible is full of errors




If there is evidence for god, you wouldnt call your belief in him "faith".

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Hmm.........Ok, so here goes.

You paint a horse pink and glue a horn to it. You do it so professionally well that it is fool-proof and can pass for real. I can't tell by looking or touching, the paint can't be washed off and feels like skin. The horn too feels so genuine and can't be removed or taken off. I test it in all the ways I can, I even get other people to scrutinize it and I still can't disprove it, I will have to accept it as a pink unicorn.

Notice that from my point of view, I cannot know any better. For me to know that it is not a pink unicorn, I must have knowledge of how you did it and that knowledge is only available to you.

Notice also that I have not avoided scientific testing, in fact it is based on the results of my scientific testing that I accepted your pink unicorn.

At this point, the argument that there has never been a pink unicorn in history is very weak because for all I know, standing before me is a living breathing pink unicorn and I cannot deny that fact. That is what it means to be a rational skeptic.

An irrational skeptic will continue to deny even when he no longer has any reason to. His argument is usually in the form of:
"I find X absurd therefore it is absurd."
When X has been proven to not be absurd, his argument becomes...
"...but X is highly unlikely therefore it is impossible or it must be random chance"

As far as I see, the only reason why you deny miracles is because you start from the first premise that miracles do not exist and that is an unchallengeable fact in your worldview. For this reason, even if a miracle kicked you in the head, you would not accept it.

Case in point: Delafruita's story about his dad's condition.
Your answer was
You didn't even consider the story on it's merits. His point was not about it's curability but how it was cured.
I find X absurd therefore it is absurd

Plaetton was even more gracious than you were but being of similar worldview, his response was:
X is highly unlikely therefore it is impossible or it must be random chance

Do you see the point I was making here?

I am not saying Delafruita's story is true or is not true, what I am pointing at is how your worldview shapes your arguments.[/quote]You are a real dishonest person when it comes to debates. I told my friend that you would use Delafruitas common to butress your failed excuse and you did.


Plaetton's argument was exactly the same as mine. He just went further to explain the ways the disease could be cured, either by drinking water with certain properties or as a result of the accumulated effect of medicine taken over time. The end result was that sinusitis is already curable.



Concerning rational skepticism, basic history, geography and biology will tell you that unicorns do not exist. A rational skeptic will not ignore basic common sense.

I put a horse painted as a pink unicorn. Even without touching the horse, a rational skeptic knows that it is a hoax. Basic biology, history and geography will tell you that the whole world has been mapped and such a LARGE LAND animal would have been discovered long ago.

Furthermore, a rational skeptic with a basic knowledge of science would ask where the unicorn was found and what breed of horse it is and why would a unicorn have horse-like features instead of a bull or a goat. Such questions will lead you to the fact that it is a hoax. another question would we why is the unicorn tame? Surely, an animal that has hardly been seen by humans would not be comfortable around humans.

An irrational skeptic will continue to deny even when he no longer has any reason to. His argument is usually in the form of:
"I find X absurd therefore it is absurd."

Your above quote is wrong. A rational skeptic uses a prerequisite of X to debunk X itself. For instance, since the flying spaghetti monster does not exist, flying spaghetti miracles do not exist.

CrazyMan: Did he actualluy say that?

yes

toba: why da hell do u guys give a f4k about tunji?

Maclatunji is dangerous or do you want to meet him in real life?

Be careful ooo!


The guy calmly said that he does not have atheist friends and does not want to have them. Dangerous guy.

cyrexx: @ Macdaddy, be honest, wont you fight and die for your God if you SINCERELY believed the words from God below with all of your heart.


Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

lol......even when I was a christian, I did not think of dying for anything other than family or money.

CrazyMan: You've already made up your mind that miracles don't exist, so why seek for more proofs...its very obvious that even if all the christians here share their story with you, it won't change anything because your mind is already made up.

You've said it times without number that don't believe in religion, you don't believe in Jesus, you don't believe in God, christianity is a fraud bla bla bla...so why ask for proof? Why do you keep bothering Mr Anony? Why ask people to prove something you've already made up your mind to debunk? If christianity is a fraud what are you still doing here? Who are you trying to prove a point to?

You ask christians questions...and then you criticize them for the answers they give...if you're so wise and intelligent as you claim to be, why waste your time with uneducated characters on this forum?

I'm a christian for example,...don't you think it would be very foolish and rude for me to walk into the islam section an begin to demand answers to questions I know I won't believe no matter how hard they try to prove to me?

If I've chosen christianity, then don't you think it would be sheer madness spending my life to convince a muslim that he's on the wrong side of the road...he has a belief and I must respect that...

Also, that I'm a christian doesn't mean I would mock a buddhist or hindu for worshiping a cow.

It doesn't mean I would mock the jews for practicing judaism at this modern age...you should know that we have eyes, we have heads, we have brains...so do yourself a favour and respect other peoples beliefs...

Even world renowned atheists still respect other people's beliefs...they exhibited maturity and self respect...they don't expose their stupidity publicly.

If you were half intelligent as I thought you were, then you should know that everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions and beliefs...and because someone's own differs from yours shouldn't give you the right to make a mockery of it...if you say Jesus doesn't exist, fine. He didn't exist to you...but respect people who choose to believe that he existed.

To be successful in life, you must learn to respect people regardless of their tribe, their religion, their race...etc etc. The earlier you know this, the better it would be for you.

I rest my case.

The ranting of a debunked man.

I only asked for Anony to logically defend his faith and not provide evidence for miracles



https://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/316/773/59d.jpg

[quote author=m.k.o2005]A fool has said in his heart that there is no God !
No matter how any true Christian try to convince any one who does not believe to believe in God and follow HIS word(JESUS),may just be a wasted effort.Let the non believer hear you and above all,see you live what you preach and you have done ur own part.Christians shouldn't engage in a heated debate with an on believer.The reason is that you can only win them over by the word of God and the word they don't even want to hear,so how possible?With God all things are possible.No wonder christ asked his disciples to leave any home where they are not welcomed as they go about preaching the good news.You can have a debate with a christian who believes in the bible but still see somethings differently as a result of inadequate study of the word or doctrinal issues and it will be fruitful.
There were people and we still have them today who engage in acts that are far from Christianity or contradicts the word and just becos they attend church or profess Christianity.These guys aren't christians.
I rest my case.God bless you all[/quote]Christard. Christian + Re.tard



What the hell do you mean by "A fool has said in his heart that there is no God !"

Are all atheists fools or is it that you're a bigot?

CrazyMan: Christianity doesn't...that picture you posted up there isn't from a christian.

of course, it is not a christian holding the message.

SimonAndal: I've got a new nickname for you, MacD: it's.....wait for it....PinkDaddy!

Look, just confess. You want to bugger me.


Unfortunately, I am not gay. You really need to calm down.

https://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1400-7/photos/1348224998-%22innocence-of-muslims%22-film-denounced-in-kuala-lumpur_1465237.jpg



This picture is of a Malaysian protester in Kuala Lumpur who was protesting against the recent anti-islamic film

ijawkid: Lmao........

I would like to say this one thing.....I've said it before and I'ma say it again...


ANYONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN MIRACLES ISN'T A REALIST..........

Logicboy u aint a realist......ur just a skeptic

I believe in miracles, I just dont believe in religious miracles.


For instance, i would be a miracle for Arsenal to win the chmapions league and a miracle for you to have commonsense