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ifeness: You know the truth is bitter. Just like the Roman Catholics,religious people try as much as they can to stop people like you from telling the truth. I was ban from Naijapals for saying too much. You are experiencing the same thing Gandhi,Fela,Jesus(the arab man) experienced. Cheer up brother, the truth will always be bitter for the imams too!

Agreed but we should not keep quiet! This is the height of intolerance and abuse of power.

This is why our leaders and pastors are so corrupt, the know that people are too scared to tell the truth and they have sheep as members that would suppport whatever intolerant things they do

I just realised that I got banned for no reason in the Islam section. This has gone too far!


I have learnt from my previous banning how to escape Maclatunji; I focus on my own threads (no trolling in the islam section) and put lots of links or back up my posts so that no one can accuse me of lying. Apparently Maclatunji got frustrated at my criticising of islam within the rules that he had to bend the rules to ban me. He couldnt find any valid reason to ban me.


Maclatunji claims that I am using multiple IDs! I have been solely using "Mcdaddy01" for over a month. I have even had discussions with Maclatunji as "Macdaddy01". So what changed? Someone can just ban me when he feels like? How the hell can he claim that I'm using multiple IDs when I have been using the Macdaddy account for over a month since my troubles with my logicbwoy account?




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Furthermore, he couldnt find any comment to ban or any chance to say that I'm trolling and so he remixed it to say that I'm a nuisance. Even if I was being a nuisance (which I was not), it is not against the rules. I didnt derail anybodys threads or cause wahala/trouble. This is becoming too much!

I have been banned for 3 months for not breaking any rules!!!



Worse off, Maclatunji now pushes threads to unreasonable and inappropriate sections.

Can anyone explain why this topic was moved to the Dairy section? Does such a thread fit in the diary section?
https://www.nairaland.com/1024221/difficult-issues-islam



Well, we can keep quiet and let this intolerance and power craze go on but that would be cowardice. I think this is getting too far. No one is asking for the removal of Maclatuji but his moderation has to be fair to non-muslims and he should NEVER abuse his power. What kind of nonsense is this? Moving threads to irrelevant sections and bending rules to ban someone?


There is another issue of going back to hide threads. I also realised that Maclatunji now goes back in time to hide or remove some old threads of mine....but this is another issue......

Sirniyeh: Great, I support the motion! But I'm already planning this in my area. Let me share my idea here:
Name: Reformed Fidelity Conference (RFC)

Vision: To enable mankind see the world and God in the mind to become great inventors of creativities and ...

Mission:
To sensitise people to ascertain the power of the mind. To enhance creative and innovative thinking. To promote emancipation of human mind from religious slavery mentality. To create business oriented mindset with openmindedness. To encourage the principle of cause and effect, veagance and nemesis.

Objectives:
1. Creating atmosphere for idea development.
2. Creating platform for contribution towards individual challenges.
3. Developing minds towards living conscious to spiritual law, medical law, psychological law, natural law, etc.
4. Promoting spirit of love, charity and equality.

The idea is this,
There is going to be rules and regulation.
Every interested member will have to fill membership form.
There is going to be voluntary donation on every meeting day.
It must definitely be weekly.
The meeting will not go beyond 3hrs.
There must be an established style (method) of simple worship.
It must be mandatory for every member to rise either in cash or kind when a member is in typical condition.
Every meeting, we worship, raise a topic for discussion, silent meditation, discuss individual challenges to profer solution, commit to voluntary giving, nominate different groups to reach out to people, etc. No pastor is required but we have scheduled for anchor of the programme.

Note: There is no religion, brotherhood, witchcrat, association nor humanism that does not belief in God. All RF, secret societies etc believe in originality of an unseen superforce. We must admit there is God but our motive of God must be defined. It is human mind that makes him spiritual. That's the goal of the whole thing.

Dear, nairalander, your contribution pls.

Why must there be a Judas 419 among 12 Nigerian disciples?

hadbak: dumbest things EVER said. Wht is insuficient or lies about ma commentst?folow up coments..fuckface!

Who told you that secular humanism is anti-religious? Gerrout with your lies. Educate yourself


http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=cherry1_18_1

plaetton: I hate when people come here to display either insufficient knowledge or outright lies.
Which does this fit into?

The guy is just brainwashed. Simple.

SimonAndal: I'd love to attend, if only to scope the man-offerings. Lol. Seriously though, I'd love to attend...but I'm not in Lagos and haven't been so I might get lost...I'm too pretty to be kidnapped, those guys might get other ideas. Lol.

You and your gay thoughts.

Better calm down until the atheists arrive.


The religious bigots in Naija put a law that makes for the imprisonment of gays for 14 years

seriallink: It seems this thing is becoming a religion..., una go soon get pastors

Hater

hadbak: Wait pls let me get tis str8t.. Quote me if I'm wrong. We talkg of an agnostic hia. Wht benefit could tis b of?

For all unbeliever, how we can share how to advance knowledge and humanistic principles in niaja

Pastor AIO: All I can say is Huxley T Paine.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]@macdaddy, perhaps you've heard this before, it's from the movie Lucky Number Slevin:

"The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle."[/quote]

What have I done to garner so much dislike

musKeeto: Provide an alternative, I think. See how we can educate people on everything 'religion' ought to have taught them: how to live as a society, taking care of your neighbor... It should be open to theists too, as long as we do not start with prayers and clapping, Im ok with that.. :-)

Thanks a lot!

jayriginal: What would be the aim ?

You tell me? I need ideas

cyrexx: nice point. the word atheist carries a more negative vibration than secular humanist.

by the way such a convention will be a great idea and i wouldnt want to miss it.

and a suggestion: why not find out if any secular humanist group already exist in Lagos and lets work with them instead of you going solo. the more the merrier.

Thats a good idea. Please if anyone knows one, link me to their websites

musKeeto: Hope I can make it. Keep me updated.. *can atheist be switched for humanist?*

Humanist is okay.

I havent put any plans for it. I'm not even yet in Naija.....just seeing what people think of it

[quote author=Area_boy]LOL. Nice thread here. At first I felt I was alone in my disbelieve of the Abrahamic religions brought about by so much research until I had a peek in the religious section of Nairaland and indeed one name stands out.... Logicboy

Makes it a lot easier to express my views in an otherwise 0rgy of religiousness Nigerians tend to adopt.


So Logicboy is our own version of Christopher Hitches?

We need a Nigerian Atheist convention [/quote]I'm already on this..........



https://www.nairaland.com/1028706/atheist-convention-lagos

What do you think about having an atheist convention in Lagos for Nigerians?


Personally, It is not something that would be difficult for me to set up, especially in Lagos since I have links with some hotels that have conference rooms.


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The power of ignorance on this thread is quite astounding.

G W Bush


Enoughsaid.

Avicenna: This should be coming from me. I regret. I missed his Logicboy effect thread.

He may not know but he played a prominent role in my de-conversion. Along with Sister fatie who convinced me to finally take the step.

Before, I used to think he could do without the insults but after I started commenting, I know better.

I'm grateful, Logicboy.

Thank you very much

musKeeto: Lol... I hope this threa makes it to front page.

I know a lot of Nigerians who have begun to question religion too. NL has helped a lot, but the Boko Haram church bombings have been a gift in a sense.

Christians: Why is God not protecting his people? Even on Xmas Day? Unanswered prayers? Silent God? There's a reason?

Muslims: They're misled. Really? How? Why?

Religion is killing itself in Nigeria and Nairaland is supplying the weapons..

We keep saying the same things but you always want to distance yourself from me.

We are both humanists at the end of the day

Thanks for having my back.


I have always agreed that I am not always calm and nice when explaining my point of views. I get personal sometimes but I am only venting my frustrations at the excesses of religion.

I am human. While I try to present factual arguments, I will get personal sometimes when angry.


Thanks for the comments guyz....I'm so emotional


Logicboy AKA Macdaddy

plaetton: Athieism is not philosophical proposition. Atheists are not a homogeneous group that share certain certain creeds or code of conduct. No.
aside from not believing in supernatural deities, an atheist is just like any other human being, having the normal idiosyncraciess that come with being human.

Atheists have never claimed to be possessors of superior moral codes.
Being a prisoner of no religious creed, an atheist is more likely to take responsibility for his actions. An atheist, just like everyone else , may never be able to rise above the moral and ethical thresholds of his environment. For example, a corrupt nation will most likely have corrupt christians, moslems and atheists.

Therefore, an atheist is also subject to the same feelings of guilt, remorse,contrition,pretence, hypocrisy and rationalisation when confronting his own sins and weaknesses.

The only difference between an atheist and a theist in this case is that the atheist does not blame the devil for his weaknesses and does not Award himself a get-out-of-jail card in the form of prayer and forgiveness.

Epic comment sir!

You have said it all!

vedaxcool: Let me restate the points made b4 so we don't go in circles:

Your points are quite nonsensical. How do they answer the question?

musKeeto: People do learn from the arguments on this board, but I think most people even atheists get turned off when someone tries to ridicule their beliefs/lack of it with blatant lies e.g atheists can not love, atheists are more intelligent than theists etc...

I love the banter on NL though... won't want it to ever stop...

Shut up. .you hardly even contribute to the banter! You wan chop without working

musKeeto: Come on, you're only on the Islamic section because of the heartbreak you suffered when your Muslim girlfriend left you :-P

On a serious note, I know little about Islam. I have few Muslim friends, and they're normal everyday people. Tbaba has enlightened me a little on Islam recently.

That being said, does going from forum to forum with your faithlessness really make you brave?

Unfortunately you are right; going from forum to forum doesnt make me brave, just makes me look jobless. However, it is for a greater good. I believe that people learn from our arguments! some people have even confessed that they have changed faith because of the debates

musKeeto: I know what a cultural Christian is, just like cultural Buddhism which is being practised in Japan, I think.

So you're not intolerant? Why do people accuse you of 'derailing' threads? Wasn't it banning that forced you to mature from 'logicboy' to 'macdaddy'? Do you accommodate the Christian beliefs? Accept you have a grouse with Christianity esp, it's fine.. Anyone who reaps me off for 22 years should expect nothing better.

Promoting one's beliefs consistently to those who do not share same, wouldn't fall under evangelism?

If I'm a non-vegetarian, and I keep walking into a veg restaurant touting the positives of being a non-veg and debunking the claims of the vegetarians, wouldn't that be evangelism?

You know why they accuse me of derailing threads! . It is a false accusation. I always stay on topic but since I debunk theier tithing scams and nonsense preaching, I got reported so many times and got banned so much. Not to boast but I kinda inspired some atheist revolution here on Nairaland

I am not intolerant to christianity. Some of my cousins and sibling are christians. I am intolerant to bigotry and lies. When someone spreads lies about tithing and prosperity, dont we have to moral right to educate or brothers?

Furthermore, I am also active on the islam section, unlike you and some other cowards.


Your vegetable analogy fails. This is a forum and not a church. I am not going to chruches to [preach atheism.


You cant even preach atheism. you dont preach facts, you teach them. There is no evidence for God

musKeeto: I see no problem with most of your comments. If by 'no balls' u mean being tolerant and not tryin overtly to win people to my side, I'd accep that. You've described your dad as a Christian on this forum once. Is he also just a 'nice' guy? An atheist with no 'balls'?

You've got to realise what you hate sometimes: the excesses of the religion not the core which we assume is 'love'..

Some people have become better persons due to their beliefs. They are able to focus on the love parts of Xtianity and filter the 'horrible' parts. In reality, it truly changes them.

JoAgbaje won't describe me as a friendly unbeliever, neither would the other mad man FxxKing..

Btw, India and Nigeria are both very religious countries. But here in Chenai/Madras, they've all learned to live happily together: Christians, Hindus, Muslims....

Then along come some Nigerians with their dreadful loud morning prayers. The Indians were obviously uncomfortable with this. They called me over and asked me to talk to them. It took months to convince the idiooots that what they were doing was wrong.

Religion is not necessarily the problem in Nigeria but IGNORANCE and RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE is. The latter, I am afraid, you're quite guilty of..

You made 2 accusations. First that I am intolerant and second, that I am some kind of evangelist overtly trying to wine some people to my side.

1) How am I intolerant? Have I oppressed anyone? The only religious threads that comment on are the ones that spread lies- eg tithe preaching, isreal worshipping, attacks on humanism etc.

2) Evangelist; while I want more people to be atheists, I am always satisfied if people are agnostics or skeptics or deists. I have never ever promoted one atheist book or website.




Also, you mentioned my dad. Are following your theist buddies in this line of guilt by association? My dad is a cultural christian. google that.


Not al agnostics are atheists without balls. Some like you are.

LagosShia: ok-the usual atheist cherry-picking just like in evolution too.

so now can you prove all what you have counter-claimed? no!

you have issues.may God help you.

See this ignoramus....it is you that has no evidence.


No historical evidence for Abraham;
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/features/world/asia/israel/abraham-text


First humans from Africa;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0216_050216_omo.html

LagosShia: i am not online to be answering your confused ideas and suppositions.

even when Muslims have such questions on how to share inheritance in complicated instances,the matter would be referred to a qualified Islamic jurist.

get a life son.

lololololol......everyone can see how useless you are. If you have read the Quran and Hadith and you cant answer these common problems, how are the jurors who use the same books going to answer the problem?


Why not use reason and logic to allow women and men the same inheritance if there is no will? Simple and fair.

LagosShia: is the Quran considered an historical document? is the bible considered an historical document?

are the oral traditions passed from father to son in pre-islamic arabia,historical evidence? if these all point to Abraham,then why are they not historical enough for the atheist? or you choose what you tag historical and what you reject as historical? as for me,it is not any other text that judges the Quran,but it is the Quran that judges everything and confirms the truthfulness of all else.if you do not like that,slap yourself.

Ask any catholic priest or educated pastor and they will tell you that the bible is not a 100% factual historical record. eIt has some history but a large part of the bible is not hostoric. Jews were never enslaved by Egyptians contradictory to what the old testament says.There is no historical record or evidence to show that egyptians enslaved Jews


By that alone, it renders part of of the Quran as untrue.

Adam and Eve is not historical. The first people were from Africa and not the middle east.

LagosShia: going bankrupt have nothing to do with inheritance.but accepting who you marry and accepting a man from a lower social standing is a choice a woman make.now i expect you to ask this silly question: what if she was forced to marry a poor man?

See this deceptive human being! Why did you choose to ignore the widow part? You are a real Kaffir
Is it the womans choice to be a widow?


As for the bankruptcy, let me give you a clear example. MKO Abiola, a rich muslim was imprisoned and killed. MKO was a well respected man n Nigeria. One of his sons used to work for him. When the father was imprisoned the business went down and older siblings and wives took over.

The particular son, I am talking about went from riches to rags with his wife without any inheritance from his father.

Explain how the wife gets her 2/3rd from a bankrupt husband.

LagosShia: about Abraham and the Ka'bah in particular,let me first bring to your notice that in the bible Hagar,the mother of Ishamel,who we believe along with his father Abraham rebuilt the ka'ba and placed the black stone is mentioned to have being in arabia.

Galatians 4:25
Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
(note that the above verse cannot be taken figuratively as the christian would speculate because Hagar is not from arabia but from egypt).so if really Hagar (as) was in arabia,why do you find it hard to believe Abraham stepped foot in Makkah?

here is even more explicit verse regarding the "wilderness of Paran" which is Arabia:

Genesis 21:20-21 (KJV) “And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.”

and you can read here for archaelogical finding that mount sinai is actually in saudi arabia (note that the israelites according to the bible are said to have roamed the desert for years.that could only be in arabia):

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm
http://antipas.net/15faq.htm


read about Paran (Faran in arabic):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_of_Paran

Numbers 10:12
Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran.


In Surah 3:96, Makkah (refered to as Mecca) is given the name Bakkah:
Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-`Alamin (the mankind and jinns).

The Bible, in Psalm 84:5,6, mentions the valley of Baca:
Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on pilgrimage. As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs: the autumn rains also cover it with pools. (NIV)

furthermore we read about Paran (arabia) in the bible:

Numbers 10:12 (KJV) “And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness of Sinai; and the cloud rested in the wilderness of Paran.”

Numbers 13:1-3 (KJV)
“And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them. And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness of Paran: all those men were heads of the children of Israel.”


Habakkuk 3:3
God came from Teman, the Holy One from [b]Mount Paran. Selah His glory covered the heavens and his praise filled the earth.[/b]
(we know that the first revelation that descended upon Muhammad (sa) was in a cave called hira in a mountain known as Jabal an-Nur in Makkah).

Pilgrimage of Prophet Ezekiel (mentioned in the bible) to Makkah:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ezekiel_pilgrimage.htm

There is no historical evidence for Abraham. You are free to google it. There is not one shred of evidence that Abraham built the Kaaba.


lol....its not my fault that you believe in myths

LagosShia: it is not the laws that are wrong.it is the decisions people make and the situation they find themselves as a result.a law is not meant to suit the choice people make.rather people should make choice in accordance with the law to suit their conditions.

the only scenario worth taking into consideration is if the daughter is sick and unable to marry or work.in that case the elder brother and heir would be her immediate guardian and should take care of her.

Epic fail!! So it is someone's choice to be a widow? It is a woman's choice for her husbands family to go bankrupt and leave him with no inheritance?


You are foolish.


Your inheritance laws are sexist. A woman deserves equal to a man. Money should be shared with logic and merit not by faith or sex.