₦airaland Forum

Ubenedictus:
ur friends just claimed the bini neva expanded

Well people can claim whatever they like but without any proof it's just nothing

But you Bini folk like claiming what doesn't concern you. .it has become a habit

wytecat:
You must be suffering from attention deficit disorder or crazy.

The Benin of today are NOT the same as the Yoruba subgroup Bini. Every Yoruba subgroup speak a Yoruba dialect, the Benin don't and their own account of history is different from that of Bini. Itsekiri and Olukunmi who are even far away claim to be from Bini, speak Yoruba dialects, and with the conquest that went on around the surrounding area, that could have been the only reason the Benin are where they are today and NOT one of we Yorubas.

They are more likely Ibos or Iboid group from the Seast.

Benin are not Yoruba, but the land was once inhabited by Yoruba, that's why the most important traditions of naming and worshipping of orisha still have to be in Yoruba. Even the palace still uses iyoba.

As you can see, this is the same thing I've been saying all along, and I see no reason to repeat it.

So igbos are that powerful? To drive yoruba people away from their own land? Do you really believe that could organize a such an efficient force

One would expect the itsekiri and Olukumi to tell about how the igbos drove them away from Bini.
But how come there's no record of such from the people you mentioned?

Itsekiri were from Ijebu, it's only the royal class that is Bini. And we know very well that Ginuwa wasn't chased out of Bini by Igbos

Even Ewe in Ghana have some of our orisa, and they aren't yoruba. Many Venezuelans worship the Yoruba way yet they aren't yoruba or even descended from yorubas. Btw if the Binis today are igbos why don't they have anything about Igbo Deities or any common practice that can be traced to igboland? . So I don't think having yoruba orisa is anything to buttress your claim

Ubenedictus:
the names have been yorubanised.

ok what are the original names

Ubenedictus:
in otherword the matriach of the current dynasty is from the bini line? As a testament to the might of the old bini empire

Since when did we start taking mother's lineage over the father's in africa?

Yes yes all empires have a testament long after their collapse, nothing special with Bini particularly not in lagos. Look to Aniocha people for that

tpiander:
the old Bini are different from the current Bini, that's true.

the old Bini were more of Yoruba, the coming of the Portuguese probably changed the demographics, since the Portuguese were already in Angola and might have moved upwards from there as well, via the Calabar region.

People will disagree with this, The royal family at Bini are known to be of yoruba heritage but the entire Bini population? That will be a ground breaking discovering

wytecat:
And who takes you seriously if you can't go through the thread that we already flogged to death.

Find something better to do with your time other than going round the same topic over and over again.

I've not changed my stance on the topic, and you are not to make me keep saying the same thing. If you had time to resurrect the thread, take the same time to comb through it.

Flogged what? You didn't address the issue. No proof, you didnt even elaborate.
How igbos did it to better organized Bini army, what particular group of igbos drove Binis out and made themselves the current Bini people, what even made you suggest such
Nothing. You said nothing that can hold water on this thread
So sorry, it's not been flogged you would need to flog it. It's a great thing you trying to do here, identify something nobody else has identified but your cclaim isn't good enough we need evidence of igbo conquest of Edo

tpiander:
Akinsemoyin is a Yoruba name though.

I hear his mother was yoruba tho. But even Ado is a Yoruba name

wytecat:
What record do you have contrary to what I said?

Go through the thread, I've said everything that needs to said about it. Just go through the thread, and stop being lazy.

Smh you said nothing that anybody can take seriously

You make a claim that could revolutionize Bini history and you mean you have no records or anything backing this claim, Than the claim itself?

tonychristopher:
I wonder how you get this analysis and they are apt and nice


Come to think of it ..if Benin was a great empire why building moats and walls ...who are they afraid of


Rome never built walls, Greece never built wall even Igbo ukwu NRI kingdom never


This a new dimension

I doubt if any serious empire will leave it's capital city without walls. Not only it's capital city but any land that needed protection

A wall is the first call of Defense

wytecat:
We have already talked at length about that, and this thread is months old. Go through it and see my stand on that when asked. Still that same.

The old bini people were a Yoruba subgroup, totally different from the Benin you have there today. The same people spoke a dialect Yoruba but the Benin you have don't. What can explain that is the original bini were pushed to the place now inhabited by the Olukunmi and Itsekiri by Ibos or whoever they were before Whiteman have you Benin.

As I said, go through the thread, it's been ironed out already.

Interesting, how did you arrive at this conclusion
Are there any records you know of igbos pushing Bini people away from their land?

Ubenedictus:
yet the lagos kings are from bini, ask akiolu

Actually Akiolu is descended from an Ijesa man not Bini
The last Oba of Lagos in the Bini(Ado) dynasty was Akinsemoyin, although this family stil exists they cannot become Oba
The current dynasty is Ologun Kutere son of an Ijesa priest and sister of akinsemoyin

Anyway if you know anything about lagos you will know that the Bini descendants see themselves as Awori yorubas nothing more nothing less

Why would you conclude that black African people have anything to do with hebrews?

You said it, juju is originally African and hebrew religion doesn't operate with the African standard. Hebrews have long been devoted to one cult - the cult of yahweh

Apart from somalis, no other African people are known to believe in just one single God


So why would you even ask these kind of questions?

DEXTROVERT:
Where's Abobaku..tym up for you too??

I guess this dead guy is Abobaku for the Ooni, cos Ooni has to send for him since his personal Abobaku disappeared... someone Pls explain more

Must everything be a joke to you?

Macelliot:
funny! The belief that Yorubas are most educated is a thing of the past.. "A past glory."

So speaking your own language means you lack education? OMG! your mumu is topping the charts

Antivirus92:
confused Yoruba man

You are really very stuupid

EdCure:
Though we want nothing less than a total elimination of those barbarians, their attacks have actually reduced from what used to be the usual occurence in the GEJ days. There has been some relative calmness and stability in the affected areas.

Keep lai-ing to yourself

TheMainMan:
.. It wont deny the fact that there is an ounce of truth in every joke they crack... That gordons of a guy is just very dry... He spew mre than he cn chew I dont like him at all.. ..

The guy should port to pastor job abeg. I talks like a preacher not a comedian

Menace2Society:
But i heard that na only Lagos IBO dey stay

Come and see Abeokuta, Ado Ekiti, littered with Igbo refugees
Later they'll say they developed Lagos

Macelliot:
Funny! We have Igbowood too..

Only those living in the East are familiar with it...

The reasons why Most yorubas prefers Yoruba speaking movies is that, most can't speak nor understand English...

It's a MIRACLE seeing an Igboman who can't speak nor understand English language, at worst a pidgin English...

yorubas learnt english in large numbers before you lot. . I hope you know that
Because most yorubas love their language better than you igbos don't mean we no sabi english

This thieves. So you want to head a market in Akure? Even other yorubas would find it difficult to head a market in Akure it's u noisemakers that want to do that

Why is the SE irritating these folks? They come to our land to come and make noise

Which yoruba person is heading a market in Igbo land?

Market issues in Yorubaland are very serious, they have caused wars in the past so no Tom dicky and Harry can be made market head
When you are tired you either open your shops or go back to alaigbo

JAZES:
Must we turn everything to tribal war?.......not cool.

this Macelliot guy just pissed me off, he needed to be schooled

Macelliot:
I can see from your comment that you are a pure tribalist..
Igbo is Nollywood.
I'm not refering to Yorubawood...


The probability of a yoruba occuring in the list is just 1 in 70 people...

at least yoruba have what you call "Yorubawood" and we still give Nollywood quality not quantity. Igbos don't have a successful "igbowood" so they pay all attention to Nollywood, yet give us quantity without quality. ..damaging the IQ of our young ones with the same old dumb stories and bad production

1 in 70? No, u should say 1 in a billion

Macelliot:
Nice one!

But the fact still remains that
Igbo is Nollywood.
I'm not refering to Yorubawood...
Wale Adenuga made it known that, "Igbos has hijacked Nollywood".

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To prove my point, take for an example, as a non-Nigerian who has never visited Nigeria before, but is a Nollywood fan. Ask, Who are his/her most favourite Nigerian Nollywood actors/actresses?
Surely, If he/she ends up mentioning 10 persons, I bet it with you that Igbos will be 9 out of 10..

The probability of a yoruba occuring in the list is just 1 in 70 people...

keep deluding yourself. Omotola is among the 100 most influential celebrities, from Nigeria only Genevieve who is no role model comes close
But yes I give it to you, a non Nigerian African is likely to mention more igbos but how about movie titles? I can't even remember the title of any movie with an igbo dominated cast and crew..all these low quality movies finished in 2 weeks that are bad for the IQ. You watch them today and forget you watched a movie


You learnt how to make films from yoruba minds and you still need to learn more. Igbos are pathetic at film making, even calabar and Edo folks take their movies seriously
when I say movies I talk
Amazing grace, Figurine, Inale, Phone swap, Alan Poza, Scarlet, last flight to Abuja, October 1 etc
Very few igbo names if any you see given credits

And some mumus will say Nollywood is Igbo property

This is the best producer in nigeria right here, who's father, Ade Love was among the pioneers of film production in nigeria

@macelliot take note

Antivirus92:
Hahahaha.....I think its only a silly man that denies his ethnicity

When did I deny my ethnicity?

ibadanfinest:
Brosr, u no sabi political history, which enemy did zik had in Yoruba, Awolowo was not his enemy, they were both contesting and mind u, zik became d president with coalition with Northerner and had the 100% backing of Adegoke Adelabu who was d head of opposition in the western assembly.

Lol. U didn't understand
I meant awolowo not zik


Anyway this is the main point
Yoruba betraying themselves in alliance with the north has always come back to hurt us. . Learn from history

chuna1985:
Lagos is no man's land!!!

Our population in the no man's land don reach more than 40% .... It's our land already.

Sorry, we ain't going nowhere.

Yet you can't fix ur igbo language in the house of assembly noisemakers

bakynes:
@ shymexx Thank you my brother, my fellow Londoner and Yoruba citizen. I have told igbos severally that, the Lagos they say is owned by the Binis was Lagos island and it was reclaimed by the aworis when the Binis left.I told them aside Lagos island all other lands in Lagos is owned by Ijebus, aworis etc. even though I didn't explain it in details like you did, thanks for educating us further. We must open our eyes and be vigilante to the threat from this people(igbos). I even used the Yoruba and Indian MPs in London as an example, does it mean because of them they will start speaking Yoruba or whatever language they speak in Indian.
Now if they say igbos has a 40% Population in Lagos, so the Yorubas who own Lagos are a minorities in Lagos then because we have a sizeable population of Hausas, Binis, Ijaw, Calabar etc in Lagos so Yorubas and the rest of other tribes share the rest of the 60% Population. I laugh out so loud. .

Some say igbos developed Lagos, please help me ask them if the past and present Governors of Lagos are igbos, is it the Government that develops a place or the various igbo traders?
Lets just leave them alone, they have opened our eyes and now we shouldn't sleep with our two eyes closed.

Sir, even the part of lagos state the is originally "settled" by Binis is not all of lagos island but jst a section called Enuwa, the bushes surrounding the place belonged to the Awori particularly Aromire family who invited them to the main town

Funny how this igbos use Bini to fight

Antivirus92:
hey Igboman....are u Yoruba today?
hahahaha

You are very stupid

ibadanfinest:
Am not sure you are Yoruba cos you kept saying 'your people' and making statement that excludes you are Yoruba.
There is sth called Intellectual opposition that awolowo faced from the likes of Adegoke Adelabu penkelemesi plus the vision of Awolowo himself plus he also has the incentive of wanting to be president as at that time.
All these directly or indirectly contributed to Awo success.
If he had if easy regionally, he might relax and not perform, zik can be seen as a nationalist but I dont think his achievement is anything when compared to that if awo.

Am not Yoruba because I don't share ur puny coalition idea? Where did I say "your people" excluding myself as a Yoruba?

Exactly the point, nobody in Awo's day was that successful, even as an ethinocentric individual unlike Azikiwe that the igbos don't even honour. .. his enemies in Yorubaland prevented him from becoming President. . Yoruba betraying themselves in alliance with the north has always come back to hurt us. . Learn from history

ibadanfinest:
Its not your fault o, but you have no point o. Since democracy returned, we have ruled for 8 years even when jona and year adua first tenure, they were seen as obj boys so more like 12 years, when u say eru, am sure u meant politically which is far from the Truth. Eyin omo ale jati jati Biafra, The first coalition was BTW Azikiwe and Ahmadu bello against our own awolowo in case u don't know your history, u will never see that as betrayal but when its anoda tribe coalition, u leave your mother tongue and start speaking Yoruba.

ok how did igbos benefit from the coalition? Awolowo's western region was still far ahead of them in development.
Let's see if yoruba will benefit anything from this

I don't know how coalition with the north has brought ur people progress

Mumu, I'm yoruba

GooseBaba:
Imagine..!! I didn't know about this information.. But every time I hear an English word is borrowed from Latin, Greek or German... I keep asking myself why are this languages not borrowing from English...

Now I know... Glorified vanacular...!!!

OP, you be correct guy...!!

My guy no be small thing

To think some people will tell their children to stop speaking west African pidgin and their native language but encourage another pidgin language - english because it's foreign