₦airaland Forum

mej67:
Sometimes I hear here and there that this and that tribe is primitive.

Just read what you have written.

If Deji wishes to see the Queen of England, he will therefore have to strip naked, remove his cap/crown, remove his Deji regalia and staff of office?

You guys are so so in the past.

The embarrassment this single episode has caused the Yoruba, if I were the Governor of Ondo, I will depose this one too.

The world today is pursuing rule of law and protection of human rights. You guys want to be stuck in the past when the Oba was bleeping anybodies wife he fancies anywhere he fancies. That is Yoruba history.

There is a great slave mentality here. Move on, guys. It is 21st century.

Deji is an appointee of the State Governor, is it not?

Even powerful Emire Sanusi will not go this far.

Your Deji is not sure of himself and has a huge inferiority complex to feel threatened by a common diaspora ambassador.

gtrust:
A "crown" does not exist without a throne!!!

You cannot claim that man wore a crown unless you're displaying some form of inferiority complex.

That guy has no crown and therefore cannot wear it. Not every cap with beads would be classified as a crown otherwise me sef fit go market buy my own and become Oba.

An Oba must have a stool, staff and then the crown. It's an institution

chukwudi44:
Your own opinion!!! The Deji has no power to chose for the igbos in Akure who should be their leader!! He has no power to dethrone the eze ndigbo Akure.Only the igbos in Akura can remove him.The Deji's so-called dethronement order is null and void.

Furthermore the constitution of Nigeria is supreme and supercedes the native customs of Akure!! The right to be adorned with a beaded cap is a fundamental human right of the Ezendigbo!!

Ubenedictus:
bini royal families had oriki, it is used as a greeting. it contained the history of the family and its relationship to the king.

otil1:
The issue in Akure is not about existence of Eze Ndi Igbo.

If there is ever an issue as such, there should be law to guide all parties -The council of traditional chiefs law specifically.

I will be greatly shocked if the council of chiefs law in Ondo State provides that whoever angers the Deji of Akure should be manhandled by thugs.

My point: the society is based and driven by rule of law. That's the only reason you can expect order. Not rule of Deji. Someone should cross over to the palace and tell Deji that his seat is a product of law and he must conduct himself in accordance with law.

What happened in Akure was sheer lawlessness, even if the Deji was not honoured as he expects to be. He lacks such power under the law.

vanbonattel:
Are you afaraid to talk about your assertion of superiority over Hausas? Coward as usual?

vanbonattel:
That same annoying arrogance of thinking you are superior to the Hausa.

breadandtea:
https://igboworldunion.com/news/igbos_visit.jpg

Igbos and Yorubas won't burn this country for us!
I'm posting this photo to correct this rumour going up and down about people in diaspora leaders can't wear their crown to visit the state king. That is the Eze Ndigbo of kano with Sanusi.

Whenever my owan people want to visit the Emir in kano, our Enogie goes with his full regalia, and nothing has happened.
Even in universities, when a tribe in the school want to visit a traditional leader, they go along with their appointed or voted king/queen.

RichieF27:
The word "Eko" is an Edo word meaning war zone ..

OfoIgbo:
NZE, OZO, OBA all have a meanings in Igbo. But before I go public with what OBA means, I want to cross check with a real OBA to make sure I am accurate.

But the clincher of all these points is whether the Portuguese explorers did see Nri priests in Oba's palace.
The veracity of that fact will turn all the Yoruba tales upside down. Observed facts are more acceptable than implied facts.

Also have you ever asked yourself how come a few of the Igbo towns that claim Beni ancestry of Bini princes all mention Igbo sounding names
1. Eze Chima
2. Akalaka (Anambra pronunciation for DESTINY)
3. Diobu ( a name common with Umu-Nris. My great grand father's name also)

None of them ever seem to have Yoruba names. These questions need answering and perhaps the Portuguese anthropological reports will shed a factual light on all these

liberty300:
the Fulanis have been murdering and maiming your people for years but no oooo..igbos are problem, the only tribe that pays tax in nigeria. If you mofo's showed this hostilities towards the rapists, ritualists and kidnapers currently ravaging your lands, you folks would had a beautiful place like thre east

OrlandoOwoh:
I read somewhere in one of the essays of Prof. I. O. Akinjogbin, where he said Oba of Benin is expected not to see Ife in his life time. It's his decapitated head that does. He went further to say that when oba that were descendants of Oduduwa met in Ife, the Oba of Benin remained in Modakeke. This was around the 1920's.

RichieF27:
Don't just jump to conclusions about the Edis..they never came out of the Yorubas go and do more research you will see that the first Oni of ife is an Edo man the first Alaafin of oyo is an Edo man the first oba of Lagos is an Edo man even the name Eko is given to Lagos by the Edos ...try to read it will help you a lot

bokohalal:
Yes,they do. I knew a Dosunmu and he considered himself an Awori though he spoke of his Bini ancestry.

OfoIgbo:
Not at all. Yorubas are much more likely to have adopted their kingship institution from Benin, not the other way round.

Obviously because Yorubas are more in population, they have used it to skew that part of your history in their favour. I prefer anthropological observations made in the middle ages, to guesswork and correlations drawn by historians who may have an agenda.

The fact that OBA does not mean KING in Benin makes it likely that the OBASHIP in Benin may be related to the OBASHIP in Umu-Nri clans, coupled with the Portuguese anthropological observation, it means that OBASHIP in Benin should be hundreds of years older than the OBASHIP in Yorubaland.

In fact it is more likely that Yorubas who saw the Oba of Benin, noticed he was the head of Benin, and adopted the title of the head of the Binis I.e OBA, as KING in Yoruba thus OBA entering the Yoruba lexicon as KING.

But in its truest form, OBA does not mean king in Nri-Igbo. I'm pretty sure Edos will have a word for KING. The same goes for Igbos.

In Nri, OBA is often (not always though) accompanied by the bearer's alias. IWEKA was definitely the alias adopted by the first Oba of Benin, and is now the nomenclature attached to the ruling family who are his descendants.

I will be catching up with an Nri Oba in about two weeks' time and I will get more information as to its original meaning and functions.

Of course it goes without saying that ancient Nri never kept an army, so Nri people never subjugated Edos violently. It would have amounted to an abomination for any highly placed Nri man to aid and abet violence against any group. An OBA level titled Nri man, such as Iweka was, and his Nri followers would have known that.
I suspect their initial contact with Binis would have been trade-based or cultural evangelism-based. Back then Nri people "preached" to neighbouring towns to either discard certain horrendous practices and adopt certain Nri ways, or to make such unavoidable horrendous practices more humane and palatable to the general society. This helped to create a vast area under the Nri cultural influence and civilisation with certain shared practices that is common throughout those territories.

Travelling Nri priests helped to maintain this bond, lifting abominations where some communities may have transgressed, and declaring anathema on individuals who were chronically deviant and prone to wicked acts against their fellow humans.

RichieF27:
No they don't see them selfs as the Aworis like you claim if you remember the Aworis and the Benin people were into several clashes during the slave trade..but it was settled when the oba of Benin sent his son to Lagos to see about the franchise..that was when the Aworis crownd him as there king out of fear....and that brought about the name Eko

tpiander:
Afi a road to bitter hearts na.

OfoIgbo:
I believe it was Nowa Omogui who once alluded to that fact some years ago.
Luckily, early Portuguese explorers kept anthropological records of their discoveries, so a definitive proof will be in the appropriate Archive in Lisbon Portugal.

OfoIgbo:
It is a pity that records were not kept. But I won't be surprised if it turns out that the Eweka royal family are of Nri ancestry. I know you must have come across ILE-IBINU, but do you know that
1) We believe Bini was derived from ILO-OBINU, which is an Igbo phrase that means A ROAD TO BITTER HEARTS
2) EWEKA is IWEKA which is an Igbo phrase that means that ANGER IS GREAT, supposedly describing the inhabitants.
3) OBA is a title born by highly respected individuals in Umu-Nri towns, and the word does not mean KING in Igbo. A few weeks ago, someone wrote in nl that OBA does not also mean KING in Edo.
4) Obas in Benin were crowned by Nri priests, up till the crowning of Ewuare
5) Anthropologists recorded that Eze Nri Obalike mentioned IDU as one of the territories under the Nri cultural influence when he was interviewed by early Anthropologists.
6) Most Igbo villages and town were "governed" by councils of elders and nze and ozo titled men before the coming of the white man, but according to Umu-Nri records, about sixty something towns had Igwes most of whom trace their ancestry to Nri. Places like OraEri and Ogwashi-Uku included. Back in those days, thdse communities preferred Nri royal houses because of their culture and traditions and civilisation. I won't be surprised if this was also the case in Benin, thus leading to the installation of the IWEKA dynasty, which led to the Nri cultural influence that can still be observed in Benin culture

OfoIgbo:
Most people refer to it as ORIE, but in Nri, we refer to it as OYE.
Most people refer to it as AFOR, but in Nri, we refer to it as AVWOR or AVFOR

The reason I brought out the above points is so that you will know that there are even variations in the market day pronunciations even in Igboland, so you will even notice wider variations in non-Igbolands like Bini or Igalaland.

Portuguese explorers confirmed seeing REVERRED MEN FROM THE EAST, when they visited the Benin oba's palace more than half a millennium ago. These reverred men taught the Benin palace about the movement of the heavenly bodies and seasons e.g year counting.
Well, Nri are the only people that do this, east of Benin.

Please give us the four market days used by Binis. I'm sure some of the names will ring familiar to any Igbo.

Have you asked yourself, how come Bini people also use the refrain ISEEE or ISEN, when a traditional prayer is made or an Oba is hailed?

wytecat:
You have this big problem of identity crisis, and trying to make up for it by fitting in any ethnic topic.

You are not Yoruba, be proud of your confused tribe!

sweetgala:
You can ascribe the blame to Sijuwade who in his years as king decided to elect many Area heads and left high chiefs to positions of locality kings.

The Obalufe and other left chiefs are the descendants of the heads who ruled ile Ife before oduduwa came and conquered Ife and became the king.

Before the 1980 ascension of Sijuwade they were left chiefs and senior diviners from the families that are assigned care of the deities , this particular orunto is very influential and is the source of the confusion about the rotation of the throne around the four royal stables.

The crowning of the king would be further delayed for sure

Ubenedictus:
go back and check d ife map. the ruling houses that speak yoruba and still bear yoruba name are d edo n'akure, the chiefs sent as ambasadors to yoruba land, one of such is on nl. Even families with direct connection to d royal house speak edo even their oriki is in d edo lang. Mayb areafada can help u.

krishfwesh:
[/color] [color=#990000][color=#990000][/color] u c oracle must die in ile ife imagine dey use 364 days to do ritual and 1 day is free dat bad d tin dat cannot talk nor eat and dey create it demxlf

wytecat:
This is the last time I'm talking about this very topic with you.

Ibos are NOT powerful, but Bini were a small population and couldn't have been up to half the size of the Ibos. They were not necessarily driven out, but technically done just like many are leaving from let's say Gwoza for other far areas for safety, and ofcourse not all Bini left, reasons people still name and observe some Yoruba traditions.

Strange looking clowns come to town to scare people away was a story you have probably heard before, and other Yoruba at war with each other could have cause a people to be vulnerable to even the weakest link.

You don't know all your history, and just because the Itsekiri and Olukunmi are not saying or you don't know doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.

People are rediscovering themselves as time goes on and new info are revealed everyday. And unless you have explanation for the holes in all the history about how some people came to be, you just can't wave mine.

You are NOT Yoruba, so stop saying "our orisa".

Yoruba descendants introduced the Orisa to Venezuela

what would it have cost some Brazilians and Cubans Yoruba descendants to cross into Venezuela back in the day to establish . I've read and heard somewhere about Ewes of Ghana with historical link with Yoruba, all plausible.

The culture and tradition the latest inhabitants brought to Bini land had to die, same way the only religion that survived during the slavery is Yoruba's. We have a culture that's like none other. The Bini land had a Yoruba heritage that thousands of years can't remove.

Ubenedictus:
what did edos claim?

OfoIgbo:
Nri was not a village.

Agukwu adopted the name Nri just a few decades ago.

True Nri comprises of Enugwu-Ukwu, Nawfia, Enugwu-Agidi, Agukwu by order of birth

The ancestor of these four towns was Eze Nri Menri. The first ever eze Nri and the first son of Eri.

Agukwu adopting the name Nri has drastically reduced the length and breadth of the size of the kingdom.

The original Nri kingdom invented most of the deep cultural practices of the Igbos and some traditional beliefs in Benin and Igala kingdom

OfoIgbo:
The four market days that Bini people use are traceable to Nri, which is an Igbo clan. In fact those market days are deities owned and controlled by the Nris.
That is why IGU ARO in Igboland is only performed in core Nri towns like Nawfia, Agukwu-Nri, Nawfia and I believe Enugwu-Agidi will be getting into the act soon