₦airaland Forum

JuanDeDios:
You are quoting the law like a fool who never saw the four walls of a classrom. The constitutional and moral right to life supercedes your traditions. The Criminal Code supercedes oro. Oro is not a law--even it once was that law was invalidated by the the law that set up the first Nigerian court in 1863 which abolished any customary law that was "repugnant to natural justice, equity and good conscience." There are court rulings in Nigeria finding people guilty of murder for traditional killings sanctioned by evil cults like Oro. Talk to your lawyer friends and get educated on the matter.

And you really should stop invoking Yoruba. Countless Yorubas have moved into civilisation and have spoken out against the practices. You are speaking for yourself and those elements who will rather remain the caves and progress with the rest of humanity.

Staying indoors during the oro is law Mr man what is so difficult for you to understand here? If you think you are superman or the oro is not law please come out when the oro is out after being warned to stay away. ..
Let's see the court ruling that will save you from due sentence and punishment

Shut up you slowpoke! YORUBA IS CIVILIZATION
Anybody speaking against yoruba traditions is either a bigoted non yoruba or a simple foolish bastard

Max24:
Keep deceiving yourself in ur barbaric traditions. Am sure if our forefathers can speak from their graves now they would have told you how ashamed they are of their olden -day practices due to ignorance. While i can forgive them because of their lack of education, we of this generation dont have any excuse if we continue in their flawed practices. It has nothing to do with culture, they simply did know it was wrong but we know now. Change is the only thing that is constant and we are the agents of that change. We are no more barbarians.

How does this make sense to you? What kind of fools do we have in this country? I weep for the future Cus it seems it can only get worse with morons like you procreating, I pity your children

My ancestors were overly intelligent men who made full us of their resources to attain their desires and needs. .they weren't ignorant but knowledgeable. . Its ur father. ..who failed to ground you on the values of the people of this continent. ..ur ethnicity and more who is ignorant.

Clearly you are so stuupid that you don't even know what "Education" means
They didn't know it was wrong, we know now Please did your drop you on your head? What sort of rubbish is this? Who Determines what is wrong or right? Westerners? Look at yourself. ..a dumb lost fellow doesn't even know his ancestors were educated. ..educated enough to study and practice medicine, astronomy, Zoology, develop numerals, engage in mining, Metallurgy etc.

Change doesn't mean dumping ur identity and seeking to be like Caucasians you fool. Please use ur head

lawanson44:
[size=18pt]The culture of the west is what brought about your ability to speak English and made the invention of the internet and the communication gadget which is either a phone or computer which you used in typing this comment so i think you are the FOOL HERE.

And point of correction...i never castigated African culture but specifically the Yoruba culture which makes grown up fools come out and deny the death of an old frail septuagenarian simply because they place him in the position of a super-being and would want to buy time in order to make some "sacrifices and rituals" which will most definitely involve human lives before a useless Ooni that probably died of malaria from a mosquito bite is buried!

Rubbish![/size]

This is just too dumb. No sense made at all.
What do you think english is God's language? I speak English means what?
The west also gained from Africa...our products and resources were employed to gain wealth for Europe and sponsor their research. Dumb fool like you don't know. .your land was exploited and your people made to labour to make Usa and much of Europe what it is today

Oh so you are a yoruba hater? There are so many. ..
Calling chiefs fools for no reason. Claiming nonsense about sacrifice. I don't know why exactly but my guess is envy. ..
Continue with your hate. ..it will only kill you

bezimo:
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What do you know about the Halloween.You are as confused as your demonic tradition.You can't compare the Halloween to your demonic festival which promotes Idol/demonic worship.People can't move out freely because your demon is been worshipped. In Halloween nobody is worshipped. Nobody is harassed, people just wear their funny scary mask and play around that's all.I was in Bordeaux, France on a tour and was strolling around the city centre in the night, I never knew it was a Halloween night, but I noticed people in their different Halloween attires having fun.Nobody was harassed or threatened not to go out.It was interesting watching their fun. You are here comparing your demonic worship to Halloween.Pastors represent represent light, you and your demonic tradition of idol worship represent darkness.you need deliverance deliverance from such backward.Who is interested in coming to your backward land of Idol worship.I was never interested because they are far better options and so is every progressive minded individual.

Why do you people hate African traditions so much? Why do you defend foreign values and attack African ones?
This Halloween is festival to dead people. ..kinda like egungun in Yorubaland
And just like Oro, there are also restrictions during halloween.. I know shops are closed, people don't drive etc. Certain costumes are ban also. ..certain parts of town are blocked
You won't talk about restrictions on western festivals but sure direct all your hatred towards ur fatherland. .
You are only being a moronic bastard slave to the Caucasians. ..mental slavery is one thing you need to relieve yourself of

Oro is not idol worship, neither is it the reason for the miserable conditions you have endured in life. ..stop blaming traditions like festivals for your lack of reasoning and intellectual laziness

Bonapart:
and start putting on men's close....
People who engage in such can't meet up with God

My 1 cent anyway

Bonapart:
tradition is for the devil while salvation is for God.... hv told you for a witness

Bonapart:
not really... i hate tradition cos it's contrary to God's word

You cannot serve God and mammon

Nonsense. Ur god must be a stuupid one and certainly foreign. We are africans and cannot live by any foreign deity

When the missionaries came they lied to you that you are evil and they are holy... calling ur culture devilish and theirs godly. ..its a shame that you believe this foreign liars over your people

sexybaby22:
Excuse me!!
what is barbaric in the fact that women can be in leadership roles in yoruba land.
i do not want to be tribalist so please repect yourself on my thread.

It might not be tribal or bigoted inclination but just a general disgust to African traditions

There are many like that who wish to be what they're not

woodcook:
Please pardon my 'ignorance' how does this aged tradition improve the lots of Nigerians in this 21st century?

How the queen of England improve the lots of British in this 21st century?

laidesmen217:
This is why I love ISLAM.....
The dead will be buried right away.

All this lies and false news will lead people to nowhere.....

Islam is arab culture. . It has no place in the rites done on an Ooni

laudate:
What is barbaric in what the couple did? Am I missing something here?

Its just a pity people don't make use of their brains
There's just so much hate for anything African

sweatlana:
Eyah

I hope they are not looking for humans to be buried with him

No they're not

thundafire:
i pity dy guy legs tradition 4 AFRICA na pure wickedness passed rm generation to generation

Smh. The self hatred is just too much

lawanson44:
[size=18pt]IF THE DEATH OF YOUR OONI WHO IS A MERE MORTAL MAN THAT EATS FOOD, DRINKS WATER AND EXCRETES SHYTE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS EVOKING A COMICAL BANTER SUCH AS A DENIAL AND COUNTER DENIAL OF HIS DEMISE WITH YOUR MYOPIC REASONING THAT HE IS THE SON OF A MYTHICAL BEING CALLED ODUDUWA, THEN IT MEANS THE HISTORY OF THE YORUBAS IS HINGED ON UNSERIOUSNESS AND MEDIOCRITY AND I DARE SAY THAT YOUR CULTURE IS NOTHING BUT A CARICATURE![/size]

Another fool who is quick to attack African cultures but defend that of the west

DDoubleUps:
Africans refusing to give up barbaric cultures and traditions since time inmemorial... placing so much importance to so much shit and paying little attention to the betterment of the human race...

Good example of a moronic bastard who prefers to be a slave

Kennedyiheme:
my tradition? How has it changed my life? How has it changed the lives of poor nigerians with no shelter? Mr man africans, especially nigeria needs to use common reasoning, inventions to make nigeria a better place, we import virtually everytin, instead of some foolish individuals to incline and empower themselves with knowledge, they stay in ifa shrine performing useless sacrifice, why didn't ifa cure the ooni's sickness? Africa is backward, if we have been practising this thing for ages and its nt workin isn't it advisable to change? My tradition, my tradition, who d tin help? That's why a philosopher said "there's something wrong with the black mans skin"....yes I will agree with that, some foolish people keep doin the same thing beliving a positive result, you cannot sow corn and expect to harvest cassava, never, no ifa or religion can mke tht happen.

Ask yourself , why do we import everything?

JuanDeDios:
It's sad. Ask the head hunter what oro has contributed to humanity he doesn't know because there is none. I don't know why he quoted my post--seems we're not allowed to feel revulsion at his types anymore.

How has halloween, October fest etc contributed to humanity?

Kennedyiheme:
please ignore him, he is one of those traditional bigots, when the western world are developing, some set of idiots are still doing oro, in "2015". He doesn't even know how to give constructive points, he just keep insulting, I already told him to return to 1865

I am far from being a bigot. ..if I was a bigot I would be condemning halloween, Christmas and other western festivals, I would be condemning western culture of homosexuality and Beastiality, of kissing a stranger as greetings etc.


The fact that you aren't willing to respect the good intentions of the oro practitioners makes you the bigot. You are the one using the western culture forced on you to judge African practices. .. we aren't Caucasians we can't behave like Caucasians. ..you are the bigot demanding black africans dump their culture for western culture

Buchman1:
only unintelligent people resort to insults during a discuss, take note. You turn pple off when you insult instead of making your point. A legal govt imposes a curfew as at only when necessary. It is wrong to compare a curfew imposed by a govt due to security challenges, sanitation or election schedule to one festival activity. Yes, culture is a way of life but it shouldn't restrict citizens movement. Nigeria is and remains a secular state.

Obviously ur last comment was dumb so I had to ask if you are always dumb. ..good you constructed a more intelligent comment this time.

The curfew during the oro is imposed by the (traditional) government for some of the reasons you gave above and more .. If you don't know best you ask and stop being so quick to attack African people

Kennedyiheme:
really man how did your parents bring u up? Must you insult? Anyways I hope when u and your house hold develope a sickness u'll run to ifa's house, so at this time the world has gotten to you belive ur culture can stop boko haram? Please don't quote me again, even if u do I won't reply u, its obvious you are not learned, u shld still be in the stone age, go back to 1895

Insult? OH good. ..you took offence. ..now imagine how your ancestors would feel with the insults you blast on them daily.
But actually, that's my very observed opinion of you. I don't need to hide the truth to make you feel good ok

You are the one who mentioned traditional means and boko haram not me. ..you see why I call you a slowpoke? I simply asked you if Nigeria has employed traditional means

It's only obvious that you are not learned. ..an african who knows nothing of his land
A shame!

If you are learned you would know that 1895 wasn't a stone age

Max24:
Are women barred from observing gun salutes or done in the dead of d night like Oro is done? Does it entail using women or strangers for human sacrifice like Oro? Even primary school children in UK know that u dont compare apples with stones - it only happens with some of us that dont know d true application of education. Upon all ur education!!!

You speak of education. have you really gained education? Do you know your identity? Are you grounded in the values of your people?
You think education is just about western culture don't you?

I believe oro practitioners make it easy by announcing the fest and giving warning ..if you are hard headed that's a pity ....I wouldn't want to know what happens to you

JuanDeDios:
You first response to me was an attempt to deflect - "Where did you see human sacrifice" or something like that. That shows the moral part of you know it's WRONG. But your slavish adherence to what you perversely consider your tradition won't let you speak truth to the matter. That makes you a moral dwarf who is beneath a worm. You argument has been shown up for what it is, now you have resorted to the refrain of daring me to go out during oro as if that is what this is all about.

They once sacrificed people in Europe. You know when they did it last? Many hundreds of years ago. But Macof says it's okay in 2015 as long as it's ignorant people who get caught. Shame.

Mr . Man if the punishment for a crime is a death sentence imposed by the state who is vested with the authority by the people , should the set punishment be set aside because of you?

The yoruba people have no problem with the rules around the oro. ..its law. . Even as we are in Nigeria. ..customary law is recognized
So again am telling you that you have no case. ..if you come out during oro whatever you see you will bare on your own.

If you don't like that, stay off the land

tpiander:
Actually, it was.

The slave trade was what disrupted the region.

You saying an Oba was democratically elected by the citizens?
You sure you know what democracy is?

But I just remembered something. ..probably the Pre- Oduduwa government was based on democracy

torkaka:
. . . . . Minion, name one conquest the ooni partook in. . . .just one

Me minion?

Well are you aware of the character called Ogun? A prince of Ife and eventual 3rd Olufe. He fought wars all over what has become Yorubaland and put the lands he conquered under his Father's authority

Why do you think the princes from Ife found it relatively easy to settle and found dynasties outside Ife?

tpiander:
Yorubaland is a democracy sweetie.

Today it is. . 19th century it wasn't

dabosuker:
Cool down na , no be like that, na question i ask o

Lmao
I just dey watch you
No vex

mediachirps:
hmm I see so where have your culture and tradition taken you to? Other countries you said, countries that make good use of their cultures and traditions and not for evil.

To you African traditions are evil as the most missionaries wanted you to believe. But their European cultures are holy abi?

oderemo:
Couldn't have said it better if we don't challenge tradition/culture we are going to be cocooned in our shell and not evolve. I am totally against this human sacrifice for fellow human, its so silly. One oba died and we line up two hundred heads, I just don't see why the dead obas relatives are not the one lining up to follow there fada. At least they benefited most when he was alive.

Challenge them based on western culture?

Why all these lies? Where have you seen 200 heads line up for a dead Oba?

JuanDeDios:
I have not labeled Yoruba traditions and insults don't make you smart. Law? You say there is a law anywhere in Nigeria that allows you to ask people to say indoors and nip off the head of anyone found outside? Some of you should ask your schools to refund your fees.

And who talked about being invincible? You can't articulate an argument if your life depends on it.

Obviously you lack knowledge and worse, good comprehension.

If you think you are superman break the law of coming out when oro is underway.

Kennedyiheme:
why d insults nman? Can't people get into arguments with u guys on this forum without insults, so immature.....there's a particular place in ogun state I used to live, they killed a woman I knw, used her for sacrifice, she was comin from somewere late, I dnt knw if u live in lagos or london to say such tins don't happen,and yes its not culture its stupidity, with all this ritual,most nigerians are still poor, whts the benefit pls? Africans tend to overdo things, for example the white man brought chritianity, but we seem to be so zealous than them in the practise, where has that led us? Where people are meant to use constructive reasoning they'll run to tradition or religion.....if u blive so much in tradition, why hasn't oduduwa stopped boko haram in nigeria? I tot tradition matter? Why didn't the native doctors in the ooni's palace treat him, they had to send him to the western world, neglecting there cultural practise, if the culture was so important, why didn't they treat him in his palace, u talk abt halloween, halloween isn't only practised in america, some people do it here in nigeria, halloween is a practise used in remembering the saints and the dead, I wonder wht connection it has with the fallacy u call traditiion, I will advice africans to forget all dis rubbish for now and focus on the things that matters the most....elcttricity, goof economy, secuirity, etc..

They used her for sacrifice and you were there to confirm this sacrificial act?
Some people murder someone and you are quick to conclude it's a cultural act? How dumb are you really?

Why don't you condemn the Halloween, October Fest and other western cultures? Just because something is african It's evil and the cause of ur miserable conditions?

Have you sort traditional means to resolve ur problems ever? Has the Nigerian state resorted to traditional means to combating terror? Stop blaming traditions for ur miserable conditions. ..especially when you don't employ them. ..

Clearly you can see its a disgrace to have an Ooni leave Yorubaland...Talk less of die outside it.
It's part of what we are saying. ..No respect for traditions. ..if Sijuwade was a fully grounded traditional man which an Oba is supposed to be, he would employ traditional means and trust in them. ..after all ancestors survived and built great nations

You said it yourself. ..people practice halloween in Nigeria (certainly few copy cats who only wish to be Americans. ..low esteemed wannabes)
They have halloween. ..we have Oro. .. let us all respect our cultures as we strive to build better standards for ourselves
The must cultural people are the happiest people...good for mutual coexistence

dyabman:
Practicing juju doesn't make you African it makes you dark , very dark indeed.

I don't practice nor believe in juju , does that makes me un-African ? Mind you I never hated being African .. Africa is sweet !! But juju is ridiculous as it sounds

Juju is african
It's our way ...our technology. The fact that to u it is evil but using technology that haven't been of African origin is holy shows u aren't proud of yourself

Kingscee:
At 21st Century? somebody should tell those morons to embrace the God almighty.

You are the obvious slowpoke here. Whether 21st Century or 31st century. .a people should always be unique and not try to be who they aren't

They have already embraced God almighty. ..their own God

Max24:
So, whats their significance? Will that bring back the dead kings?

Another slowpoke. .
When we give gun salutes, do they bring back dead military men?

Pls use ur head

Buchman1:
what is the relationship between 'oro' an archaic traditional practice that restricts people's movement and the 'white smoke' that indicates the selection of a new pope?

DO modern curfews not restrict movements? Why are you this dumb?
Jst because this particular curfew is based on tradition it becomes evil and causing ur economic problems? Seriously? Are you always this moronic?