₦airaland Forum

Bonapart:
you're forgiven son

Lol son? Who are you my father?

BTW I didn't offend u. ..so what are you forgiving me for?

vickylala239:
Dats y I said u blv in wood.

Is Dat Nt a symbol on wood u Jst showed Mi.

Better read ur Bible n stop blivin in wood.

Read ur Bible.

Stop blivin on wood or stone.

Ok. Thanks for the advise but it is not needed cus we don't worship wood or stone...we make use of such for no less reason than the Muslims use the Kabba stone or Christians use the crucifix

Africans worshipping objects is a lie the Europeans came telling... a pity they found gullible morons that fell to their gimmicks and lies

yinkarh187:
in flesh abi?

Must you force human sacrifice on Isese?

And when I put "" blood" in bracket. ..I thought you would be intelligent enough to realize that the other form of sacrifice would be service to the shrines

yinkarh187:
dat my ancestors ddnt have d chance to stop their gullible way of life doesn't mean i shld stupidly follow dem (same tin applies to u). Guy give ur life to the Almighty God nd see wonders in ur life.

you are lost. I'll advise you to seek an elder in your extended family to learn at least a little about yourself and ur family heritage... the only gullible ancestor you have was the one who was dumb enough to be blackmailed into islam

What wonders exist in ur life that you think non muslims don't have

vickylala239:
Bros no vex ohh!!

I knw u guys who bliv in piece of carved wood will attack Mi.

Sorry ohh

And you don't believe in this?

9jacrip:
What is esoteric about the tradition is the spiritual aspect of it, history is never shrouded in secrecy if you ask.

Nigerian historians have become lazy and redundant, westernization has made the younger generation lose interest in their history and the circle goes on.

A friend of mine was going to write a dissertation on Ifa in UI History department but was shot down. Infact that supervisor started hustling him with some christianity bullsh.

What about the theorical study of the spiritual aspects. .nd not the deep things themselves

If Isese people come together to teach the traditions in an organized institution everyone will gain

A good example is the Ifa heritage institution in Oyo, something big and of more seriousness should be done


And it's true. ..people parading as historians have displayed so much laziness. ..

To be honest Isese adherents are too silent, we have not really come together to organize the system...that's why there's so much negligence by the government

sukkot:
this is rubbish. useless archaic tradition. only tradition and culture you need is YAH

Even the culture and traditions of yah are archaic (and certainly useless to Africa. ..we've seen that for many centuries already)

Yet Israel and Jewish communities outside israel (ie. In Ethiopia) guides their archaic traditions jealousy
Africans should do likewise in regards to African culture and traditions, we should encourage our knowledge regardless how archaic it is. ..it cannot be more useless than the archaic traditions of others that we currently operate on

Look at Nigeria for instance, importing everything and discouraging anything produced and distributed locally. ..making other nations richer at its own expense

neocortex:
@9jacrip
any authoritative text on Obatala ?
If there is none, I think it is time one is
compiled as oral tradition can't keep all the
knowledge passed down from generations.

This knowledge will eventually be lost if no
attempt is made to preserve them.

You are right here, I think it's high time we stop restrictions on uninitiates and reform the system into institutions

Back in the days initiation was like enrolling in a college

juman:
Hmmm.

But i think mostly they use hot drink. May be hot drink is special to them or something.

Hot drink came from foreign land so i wonder what could be why they use it. Why it has special significance.

juman:
@ macof

I see in some yoruba movies that they use hot drinks when doing yoruba sacrifices or things like that, what is the connection between those sacrifice and hot drinks?

There's a drink Oguro made from special trees and heated. .
aalthough am not sure I've ever tasted the substance at all...I believe it's like hot gin so I guess in absence of the real deal they settlesettle for foreign gin
My uncle serves people with it too

Notice the similarity with the name "ogogoro" of pidgin (originally from urhobo language)

princealeto:
what a diabolic tradition

What is diabolical here? So anything not based on western culture is diabolic

9jacrip:
Yes.
Ifon was Obatala's first son.
He has a compound which his offsprings occupy till today.

Ifon left Ife for Ifon in Osun and people from there moved to found another Ifon in Ondo.

The Olufon plays a major role in Odun Obatala and also during Ifon festival.

Olufon is regarded as Ifon incarnate and the kings of both Ifon towns look to him for whatever borders on Ifon or Obatala.

I'll look for the picture of the present Olufon and share.

Wait! So Olufon resides in Ife?
How then do we explain the connection btw the Olufon in Ife and the Olufon of Ifon-Orolu?
Yes both are descended from obatala but who fathered who between the two

yinkarh187:
tradition lyk using human lives for sacrifice abi irmc

our traditions don't require human sacrifice(in blood)

mikkyword:
what's the festival all about.

1. Remembrance of the Historical Great man Obatala
2. Keeping cultur and heritage alive
3. It's also of spiritual significance as several rituals and prayers are performed to ensure the Spirits favour the land

yinkarh187:
ok but dey believe in d fairy tale/ night stories their forefathers told dem

See how you have rejected ur identity. .. they are now "their" ancestors not yours?
The Jewish ancestors like Abraham, moses, David are ur ancestors right?

Later you will say those who know their origins are the problem with africa

yinkarh187:
eediot every reasonable religion frown against idolatry...u guys are d main problem we have here in africa wen d whole world is moving u still decided to follow ur stupid fore fathers
Ps if u must quote me don't insult me

Then surely christianity isn't a reasonable religion. ..
(See below for idols in the religion called christianity)
And with islam, well we all know the famous black stone in mecca that all muslims face when praying

As to us being the problem - ask urself how exactly is Isese the problem? No african government runs on Isese. .. religious fellows like you are the majority, and here the majority have their way
Because of ur likes African culture isn't being sold out like middle eastern or Western culture on which you seem to have wrecked your life buying.
The immense hatred you fellows have for African values, and knowledge prevent local production of things that we can benefit from economically

You insulted 9jacrip by calling an eediot on the same post u called his(your) ancestors silly and beg not to be insulted hilarious.

nduchucks:
Is this Orisha Nla an idol?

No it/he is not

ezanafe:
Sir, to my own religious believe, i learnt that all MEN are descendants of Adam & Eve including you.

And Am saying that such beliefs have no basis cause we africans don't know any Adam and Eve. .. these are Semetic ancestors not African ancestors
From north - south, east - west We have no traditions of Adam and Eve

Or are you rejecting ur "Africanity" for Semetism?

Same for South East Asians like Japanese, Chinese etc they aren't descended from Adam and Eve

She's only looking for a job from the FG

chudidonas:
This is the type of culture Nigeria should borrow from the western world not gay marriage

Singapore western world?

I don't don't know why people glorify the op with responses he wants...when it's obvious he's just looking for trouble

Reading that article...there are attacks towards the north and SW on grounds of marginalizing the SE
The writer tactically avoided insulting the yoruba directly

I just don't know why igbos like crying foul in politics. ..you don't have smart or competent politicians so it's only normal for those better ones to take advantage..GEJ who should have been a kind of consolation showed he lacked political intelligence

Bonapart:
we are in a relationship with our HEAVENLY FATHER

We are not religious group.... got that? Now get out of my mention

Muslims are in a relationship with their Heavenly Master. ..yet Islam is a religion

You know what your problem is? You don't use ur head. ..even after I told you to get a dictionary
Your brain has already been fried at ur Jehova witness gatherings

9jacrip:
1. No, it does not. Also, Ooni does not run affairs of Ife, Obalufe does. Obatala wearing the crown and Ile Olorisa doing the etutu during the window period is part of a process. If this is not done, any new Ooni will pass upon wearing the crown.

2. Yes, it is the original name for the entire land owned by the 3 (now 2) lineages.

3. I am not sure where this land covers presently. I could try asking question about this.


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I have not forgotten the oriki, I am working on it.

Thank you for your kind answers. .. I've learnt a lot

OrlandoOwoh:
You are as confused as the person you are trying to defend. Do king makers choose one person to be Ooni or several people from the ruling houses, among whom the Governor picks from? Apply common logic in your arguement.

Yes they choose one person. The head of the ruling houses selected their best candidates and the kingmakers elect only one of them..
After this process. .the governor Appoints the "One" person officially. ..if the government rejects the process(not the result). .the process can be repeated...and mostly be the same result (like in the case of Oba Adeyemi)

It's no shame not knowing everything. .just quietly leave this arguement

Bonapart:
Christianity is not religion.... it's a relationship

To hell with that. .. Go use the dictionary to find the definition of Religion

You will find out Christianity is nothing but a religion

While you at it, check for the word "Witness" and get back to me at the other thread

zudozz:
I talk am say those plenty plenty young yellow girls go kill am.

you mistake Ooni, Oba Sijuwade for Alaafin, Oba Adeyemi

klax:
I love this post I have to saved it in my drive I love this race called The Yoruba a lot though I'm not from their I just love them for their pride in their culture, their ability to unite as one till date, their ability to always stand by what they believe in, their educational vibrancy it's awesome and above all they are the most accommodating of all race or tribe in Nigeria take it or leave it fact remains fact I don't care how anyone feels about that, I so respect them.

I just love people who trace their origin, show facts to proof it, wrote literature about their origin as a matter of fact I love this people that is it nothing can change that.

Anyway RIP the Ooni.

And we love you too brother. ..we love all those who respect our culture

iamrealdeji:
Mtchew,the ancient gods that would tell a king to sacrifice virgins,women or travelers for the town to be at peace,the one that would tell people to sacrifice humanbeing for money or power,tell me,even your brains should tell you that this is just plain wickedness,the one God would never tell you all that

Can you prove all this? Or you just lie for Jesus now?

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Anyway here are just few atrocities committed/approved by the foreign god you worship

I chronicles 20:2-3 :David took the crown of their king and found it weighing much in gold and precious stones in it, and set it upon his head.
And he brought out the people that were in the city and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes...

1 chronicles 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.

Numbers 25:3-4 :
And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel

Judges 8:7 :

And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers




This ur foreign god best describes "plain wickedness" - your own words
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Bonapart:
To hell with tradition... rubbish!!!

To hell with religion

iamrealdeji:
lmao,he becomes a god? So there is no judgement for him since he's now a god? Haba,no wonder why they turn to idol worshipers sacrificing anything thinking they'd become gods when they die. Some of our yoruba ancestors don deceive us chai. This traditional bs need to be abolished. In this 21st century,some people are still thinking they'd become gods?

And in this 21st century some bastards are still thinking of judgement day
Europeans are really deceiving gullible africans

masseratti:
lolzzzz,you funny though, btw am yoruba,but hey no matter their legend or stories,they do really have similarities, i was made to understand that the oonis are not blood descendants of Oduduwa,they are more of a custodian to his crown,his blood descendants are the Oba of benin, Alafin and the rest.I adore the binis sha they upheld tradition better.

Whoever told you that was mistaken

OrlandoOwoh:
You are confused.

Mr. Just sharrap. . You are the confused one here

OrlandoOwoh:
The Governor of each state appoints traditional rulers. The present (or dead) Ooni, Okunade Sijuade was appointed by Governor Bola Ige of (Old) Oyo State in 1980.

The Prime minister of Britain is appointed by the Queen doesn't mean she picks who becomes prime minister

No governor can choose who becomes Ooni